Abortion... A Basic Human Right. But For Who?

Abortion...A basic human right. But for who?

This is a heavily debated topic that a lot of people are sensitive about, But i feel it should be purely circumstantial, and there needs to be harsher rules!

As a child growing up in a catholic family (however an athiest now) I hated the idea of abortion altogether, not that my family ever pushed a view of being against abortion upon me, I just felt that everyone has the right to live, and that even people who are raped should still give birth and not be allowed to end someone's life like that, they could always put the child up for adoption.

As I've grown older and have come to understand abortion more, and especially the devastating effect that rape has on a victims mental state, I have grown to change my mind about it.

However I don't think any woman should be allowed to have an abortion after like 4 months (Unless it's within good reason)

The only circumstance where I feel a woman should be allowed to have an abortion at any stage later than 4 months should only be for medical reasons, if doctors notice there's going to be issues with the child birth, or the mother's life will be put at risk if she gives birth, or if the child has serious life threatening/ health concerns itself and is at risk of dying in it's early stages of life anyway, then yes a woman should be allowed to have an abortion for her and for the wellbeing of the child.

Then there's the argument of a woman who has been raped, she should definitely 100% be allowed to have an abortion however still no later than 4 months in... if she know she's been raped she can go get aborted, after 4 months she'd already be showing signs of pregnancy so even if she was raped whilst unconscious and had no idea she'd been raped, she'd know she was pregnant and can easily go get an abortion. Unless of course she's held captive or something and can't physically do that. Then she should be allowed to get an abortion after 4 months if she so desires. (I may be still a bit naiive in saying all that however as I'm still young and don't know all the issues surrounding rape victims)

For those women who had a one night stand- there's the morning after pill... accidentally forgot to get it or couldn't get it no worries you can still take an abortion pill anywhere up to 9 weeks which is plenty of time for the early signs/ symptoms of pregnancy to develop. After that no. This woman should not be allowed to abort the child, simply because she changes her mind and doesn't want a child, or doesn't want to go through child birth etc. Unless she has a good reason no. No abortion! That child is yours, your responsibility.

Appologies if I may have offended anyone, please don't hesitate to share your opinions... I am open to suggestions


It's funny even just now thinking about how I feel about it, Because I think a woman should yes be allowed to have a right to her body, and be able to make her own choices until it begins to affect the life of someone else... thats not the ironic part. The ironic part is people saying that women shouldn't be allowed make the choice to abort a child because it is alive and it is human and it's murder.. but what about people that go into comas and their loved ones are allowed to freely have the choice whether or not to pull the plug on their beloved. How is this really any different... i mean it is but it isn't. They're both alive... although one may be only kept alive by a machine... they may be able to come out of the coma and continue to live a long, healthy and happy life... so why is abortion considered murder and such a terrible horrible bad thing, when so is removing someone from life support when there is still that possibility. Anyway this view has only just popped into my head and will give me more to think about and consider so please try not to take offence or ridicule me as I am still naiive :)

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  • I think this "whole my-body-my-choice vs. murder" discussion that's happening over abortion in the US completely misses the point. Of course women should have the choice to do with their body what they want to do - but that's not really a good argument in this context because conservatives and religious chauvinists can't agree with that.
    The whole thing is actually very, very simple. The abortion debate is pretty similar to the debate of legalizing cannabis and possibly other drugs. During the past 50 years, the western hemisphere has slowly come to understand that making drugs illegal is absolutely pointless. People don't just magically stop using drugs if you make those drugs illegal. In fact, during the prohibition era in the US, the alcohol consumption went up and people started brewing their own nasty stuff that they sold in seedy backrooms and that made people go blind. Likewise, most countries nowadays that are harsh on pot consumption tend to have more people smoking it than for instance the Netherlands. Long story short: believing that a prohibition will simply make something non-existent is extremely naive. People smoke pot whether it's illegal or not. And people have abortions whether it's illegal or not. If I'm a pregnant woman and I don't want my child (for whatever reason), I don't give a rat's ass about laws.
    So the real question is not "abortion yay or nay", it is: as responsible and civilized citizens and fellow human beings, how can we create a good atmosphere for women to have their abortion. Conservatives and religious nuts in the US want to force women to go through the pain of going abroad and doing it there. Or even worse, some women might be too poor to travel abroad and instead decide to do the abortion themselves with some old, rusty piece of barb wire from the backyard. This is not responsible nor civilized.
    The solution is to let women legally have an abortion in their own country, in a clean and technically equipped hospital, performed by a trained professional.

    As for the exact time frame of having legal abortions... that's a discussion people can have but not even that important I think. What's important is that abortion is generally legal.
    In my country Switzerland and in almost all other European countries, abortion is completely legal (in all situations) until the end of the 12th week of pregnancy. I believe that is a pretty good compromise. End of 4th month would also be okay with me but later is unnecessary.

    • Terrific Arguement!!! Couldn't agree more!

    • By that logic though, I must ask, what is the point of having laws in the first place then? While a bit extreme, what about old fashioned cold-blooded murder? If we made every day a day like in the movie "The Purge," I would doubt that murder/robbery/crime rates would decrease from its legality. Likewise, I do believe that making drugs abortion legal condones it and makes it socially acceptable to do. There will always be extreme cases, like mentioned-- some people will always find abortions, but I believe that a large part of abortions would not occur if it was not socially condoned or readily available. With all the trends and global communication we have today, societal influence plays an incredibly strong part on people today. Whether it is something for a cause like the "ice bucket challenge" or whether it is a person pressuring another one into drug use with the stereotypical "everybody is doing it" phrase, it impacts lives more than ever.

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  • Coming from someone who has been a survivor of rape resulting in pregnancy, this is a tough topic. I was about 16 weeks along when I had a miscarriage. Being pro life often people are shocked. See to me prolife isn't just about that baby, people vote well they can put the baby up for adoption. If you wouldn't adopt that baby then you are not truly pro life. I believe everyone has a right to live. Yes abortion crossed my mind but I realized that when I was raped a part of me died. That's what happens when you're violated. But that's also what abortion does. It kills a fetus but it kills a part of the mother. A lot of women become numb, distant, depressed and sometimes suicidal. No one tells you what the true effects are psychologically. I do not for one second regret wanting to give my baby life. Yes I say MY baby because half the DNA is mine, I created the little boy that was growing inside me. Now for those who are pro choice I do not condone you for your opinion, we all have out reasons for why we believe what we believe.

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  • Asking an already traumatized person to carry their rapist's baby inside them for nine months is asking a hell of a lot.

    That's something that cannot be judged from the outside.

    Being pregnant is a difficult enough time, being raped is a truly awful enough time. How distressing do you think it would be to not only be forced to carry a child she didn't ask for, but to carry the child of someone who violated her in the worst way? and who, even without getting her pregnant, is capable of driving her to suicide? ( a friend of someone I know killed herself after being raped)
    How is anyone supposed to move on from that?

    Someone told me not so long ago that if a person was raped and got pregnant as a result of it, the person who raped her would still be well within his rights to try and gain access to that baby if he wanted. Imagine that.

    • "How is anyone supposed to move on from that?" Just because you do not know, doesn't mean that it cannot be done. Indeed, it has been done. I'm not making an argument one way or another with regards to your post, but I do want to put down (like a bad dog) the notion that being raped, and conceiving a rapists child are end-of-the-world circumstances that can't be recovered from.

    • @Transigence it can be... but it can't always be. Why make it 20 times (please forgive me) worse? I have a daughter, I'm on the fence when it comes to abortion, but someone who's never been through something like this would never be able to judge someone who had. It would not be fair to expect that, or to try and force it.

  • Well rape and health of the mother and child only accounts for less then.001% of all abortions. So while it should be available for those its also not a very good argument as its so rare. As for the coma remark, unless their is a living will that explicitly states it, they are not taken off of life support, either they state in advance they want to be kept off of it ie its their choice, or by default they stay on. It takes massive amount of legal work to take a person off of life support. So what are your views on mens rights on the issue? Do you believe that the mother should choose whether or not the man should be the father ie pay child support or do you think he should have a say in it (since he doesn't have a say in whether or not the child is aborted). Also what are your thoughts on women having the right to abort/abandon (safe haven laws)/give up the child for adoption without notification of the father ie she is not legally required to consult or even inform him in anyway before making a decision that affects his offspring.

    • In the UK, a father can contest adoption. They can petition the court for parental responsibility.

    • @Napoli Well thats good (that should be the case everywhere), unfortunatley only a few states in America allow that.

    • I always thought the laws were the same pretty much everywhere. Like in the UK, child support isn't automatic, it has to be filed for by the custodial parent ( if it isn't offered up voluntarily) , but someone was saying it isn't always like that in the states? Strange

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  • "although one may be only kept alive by a machine... they may be able to come out of the coma and continue to live a long, healthy and happy life... " No. No physician is going to pull the plug on anyone who has any chance of recovery. That is simply not the way it works.

    • Oh i know that, i'm well aware... but i'm talking about in those super rare or miracle cases where despite doctors saying no they will never wake and then they do

  • yeah i agree. im for abortions when it comes to rape or just accidents but as long as its done really early, not like 5 months into pregnancy.

  • I don't agree with abortions. If abortion is fine then anyone who just wakes up a decides they don't want to be a parent anymore shouldn't be held accountable. It's not like people don't know what happens when they have sex. If someone is grown enough to have sex then they need to be grown enough to support a child.

  • I'm pro-choice.
    I personally would ONLY abort the child if I was
    -raped
    -can't financially support the baby or
    -It would have life-altering birth defects

    I believe other women should only abort their babies then too (or if they're crackheads, that's a good reason too). But I'm not gonna force my beliefs on them, as it's their decision to make.

  • NO, I think except for medical reasons its definitely a murder. If there's hope no one going to pull the plug and usually docs don't allow it until there is no hope or 10-1% chances of recovery. I think women that are raped must give birth to the young one and pull that stupid in court and make him pay for what he had done by paying the kid fee and government must introduce "absolute" laws regarding it.

    • No. That's giving more rights to the fetus than to any other human. NO human has the right to use a person's bodily autonomy without their consent.

    • @mistixs of-course, I am not saying its (rape) legal but fetus must be given rights and women should behave like women and allow the fetus to grow.

  • My opinion- Rape, incest (which is also rape) or where the life of the mother is in danger. Those are the instances where abortion can be an option.

  • My view is when we venture into ethical minefield like this is that I don't think blanket laws work - It has to be done on a case by case basis in absolute privacy.
    I am probably pro choice but I think an early termination should be accompanied by counselling and making sure all options have been pursued even ascertaining whether the father's rights. My main fear is that if it was outlawed dangerous backstreet abortionists would appear again. Late term terminations are a different situation which should be investigated medically, psychologically and legally before being allowed (as I said earlier in complete privacy).

  • It's really simple: until the fetus is viable and sentient, it isn't viable and sentient. Thats how we determine personhood. Otherwise turning off the machines of the braindead would be murder... but it's not, it's mercy.

    During the first trimester and for a bit after a fetus: cannot think, cannot feel pain, cannot survive without its mothers body. At that point (but not a minute after) abortion is the mothers choice

    • Ohh crap, I didn't even see your coma patient analogy. Same wavelength!

    • haha great minds!

  • I admire your humility and consideration. You seem to have thought about this a lot. I respect that greatly, but I disagree with you.
    Particularly, I disagree with you about the life support analogy. Life support prolongs someone's life artificially and, more or less, indefinitely. Gestation is the natural means by which a person survives to the age of nine, nearly ten, months under ideal circumstances. Performing or undergoing an abortion is actively ending someone's which is different from allowing someone to die.
    Also, the rape issue is very controversial, but I do not see how depth of the mother's trauma lessens the value of the life of her child. Rape is not an executable offense. Why is the child condemned to die while the perpetrator lives? This is unjust, and the heartache and pain which the conception of the child must add to the mother does not justify his or her death. One horrendous act does not justify another.

  • I think you misunderstand the root nature of the abortion conflict.

    The real question is, "When does human life begin?"

    The conflict arises because there are five points of time this can be pinned to, and the choice of which point is an individual belief, not a scientific fact. Those points are: Conception, implantation, heartbeat, birth, and upon obtaining sentience.

    Once human life begins, we are morally obliged to protect it.

    The Constitution only mentions the word, "Born". There is a legal argument to be made that no fetus is born, and therefore is not legally a human, and therefore has no right.

    The moral argument of picking a time before birth is compelling to many, and many choose the earliest point, that of conception.

    The courts and the legal system have effectively split the baby down the middle and picked some number of weeks into term.

    Because the beginning of human life is not defined, it is a moral choice of each individual, there can be no agreement as to whether abortion should or should not be allowed because there is no agreement on when a human comes to exist.

    Other issues of morality, such as prostitution, sodomy, gambling, alcohol, suicide, pornography, and adultery have similar conflicts.

    • Try to deduct an unborn fetus from your taxes. Success.

    • TRy to make a fetus you heir by testament. Success.

  • 50,000 abortions are performed each year, if those are all rape cases we have an epidemic. People get abortions because they lack responsibility , self control and respect for their body. We all know what the outcome of unsafe is stds ( which is at a 'll time high) and pregnancy. All lives matter, period! We can't choose when to practice this saying.

  • Her body and choice !

  • As much as I lean more towards Republican points of views.. I really think it should be up to the mother and father if they want to have an abortion. A fetus isn't living yet so it doesn't even know it's alive, let alone dying. Not a huge deal in my opinion... probably because I'm not religious and don't believe in things like souls and an afterlife.

  • People make decisions like this based on their consciences for themselves. Not for the mother and not for the child.

    It is the people who suffer the consequences that needs rigt the make the decision, not some holier than thou outaider. Should a complete stranger make your life decision for you? For your child? Do you just ask a random person in the street whether you should have a baby or not?

    If the government tax everyone for $500 a year (poor and rich) for some sort of child support that somehow works then maybe it's up for a debate. I would pay that tax and op for an abortion though.

  • Yeah, ok, so rape victims should be given that exclusive right, and that pushes the very limits of human rights. What about those who indulge, in consensual and casual sex? Who are by far the majority in this case. Human stupidity, it seems is the basic human right. Her body, her choice? That right holds good before sexual intercourse, after it? I don't know. I really hope that this is not what the world comes to.
    Imagine every time a woman needs to have an abortion every time she has sex. No, I don't think abortion should be a 'right' with exception rape cases, and I believe this should be so to discourage reckless behavior.

    • @Chief16 It's her womb. Not Republican or church property.

    • @jacquesvol yeah, I support abortion before the intercourse. People shouldn't have such casual attitudes towards abortion. This spells doom for teenage pregnancy, I'm thinking about all those pedophiles who will coerce naive young girls with this law.

    • What are you talking about?

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  • That's the reason why it's legal for anyone for any reason. Because if you tried to write down a law for each and every circumstance that could ever occur, you could probably fill a volume of books. doesn't mean they won't try to do just that, but it's easier to let people deal with their own conscience.

  • I can only get behind it in circumstances of safety of the mother or rape. Because one is basically self defense and rape Is done to you and you didn't have a choice.
    In consensual sex we're all well aware of the risks beforehand. To say it's the mothers right to end that life, because it's "early on enough" is retarded. We have many forms of birth prevention for a reason. You didn't use birth prevention? Sorry, that doesn't give you the "right" to end that life just because it was an accident or you didn't care enough to be bothered with being responsible.

    Can't afford to take care of the child is just an excuse, when there is plenty of adoption agencies around.

    If abortion after consesual sex is only serving to maintain your status quo, you should not be given the right to end that life.

  • I agree with the following (from Ayn Rand's article 'Of Living Death'):

    "An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

    "Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?"

    • I agree!

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