Sexual attraction should be taught in high school

Sexual attraction should be taught in high school


I think people from the teen years on waste a lot of time figuring out for themselves something that eventually becomes widely known to older people. I'm talking about human sexual attraction. Girls are encouraged since early childhood to be feminine through toys, clothes and cosmetics. A trait that is at the very least related to the sexual attractiveness of females, later on, if not directly connected to it. So, in general, young women of a certain age and build can get sexual attention without any real effort, and they get nurtured by default in ways to maximize this trait.

The same is not true for men. Only a few select men from high school to university age will ever get any net gains from any time and effort spent trying to sexually attract women. Men can't wear any sort of artificial cosmetics that will improve their appearance in the eyes of mainstream aesthetics, and the average male body isn't by default considered particularly sexually attractive.

When people are at their sexual prime in a sexually liberated society, given the chance women could find a sexual partner just by asking, while only a small percentage of men will easily find casual sexual partners, because only a small amount of men are considered attractive enough for casual sex by women. But the younger the man is, the more ignorant he is of this phenomenon. That's why we see men constantly complaining about having no luck on dating sites, or desperate men spamming their sausages on omegle. Nobody ever drilled into their head how utterly pointless their sexual market value is, with them looking like they do, mainly because nobody ever trained them to recognize what women find physically attractive. It's unmanly to even mention these things, much less give them serious consideration. It's MRA, it's whiny, it's [insert epithet here]. It's anything that works to deflect the issue. Of course many of the women are deathly afraid of their own nature and will rarely accept this premise, while we could consistently all but prove it, if not prove it by looking at the typical sexual lives of promiscuous women on college campuses. I would think this basic premise has been outlined repeatedly and in various ways on this site alone, but my point isn't just to repeat it. I'm proposing we do something about it.

No matter how often this premise gets repeated, backed up by all sorts of anecdotal, social study and scientific evidence, it's not something that is common knowledge. It's hidden away in the drawers of knowledge like some old porn magazines, rarely to be ever mentioned, much less discussed. As I stated above, there is even significant resistance to this idea, or to how widespread it is. I don't know if it's because women innately (subconsciously) want to keep the myth alive to protect their social value, or it's that males have too fragile of an ego to take an honest, self-aware look at themselves. Maybe a combination of both, but the results is the same, in either case. Among the results is a lot of guys' best years wasted while believing the tacitly approved myth that if the average guy is meritorious enough, he will mirror the sexual idols he was programmed to look up to. Because failure to achieve this endeavor repeatedly leads them to the idea that more concern and effort is warranted.

In my case, I would have preferred to accept the futility of chasing or crushing after girls since high school and instead get more passionate about my academic career. I would have wished to have started college credits in high school and gotten a master's degree in my early 20s. And through college I would have known that the few girls that came to me are the only ones I ever had to spend time considering. With the proper knowledge, I would have had at least a chance to overcome the propensity to be preoccupied with being judged positively by an entire gender.

What happened instead? I was indeed preoccupied by being accepted by girls. Girls that would never give me the time of day, all the way from high school and into college. In college I had the pleasure of interacting with "intelligent" girls that spoke highly of good human qualities and how attractive they were in a partner, then witnessing "alpha males" having fulfilling casual encounters with these same girls, mostly just for being born a certain way, or for being raised in the right environment and with the right nutrition, etc. Then these same girls demanded the right to happiness in a fulfilling, monogamous relationship with more of a provider type of guy. I only ever had one or two casual encounters, while everything else was about committed relationships. Some with manipulative sexual gamers that I know for a fact were only sexually attracted to "alpha males" (because they had NSA sex with them). Witnessing and then having a stake in this lack of self-awareness was confusing, on top of a waste of energy due to trying to conform to it.

I know the title of this Take is unlikely to ever happen, due to the social mores that we are restricted by, but I still think we should take every opportunity to advise youth about these issues, because nobody else will. The advice should be based on demonstrable principles, not just ideals, as we usually see spouted. Look at the drug war, for example. Support for banning cannabis (and even other substances) is falling apart due to authorities deliberately spreading lies for decades about the hazards and the efficacy of the drug war, and the truth having slowly seeped through on the internet. Respect for the law is lower than it would be if the government had been honest. Likewise, it's a demonstrable fact that very few men are considered fuckable by women, based only (or mostly) on looks, and odds are you're not one of them. That's just the reality of human nature. Understand it and adapt to it and you will be a lot happier than by ignoring it or engaging in wishful thinking. Deny it and potentially build frustration and contempt.

If we are not afraid to tell teens in school that some governments in the past committed genocide for ideological reasons, that people enslaved other people for hundreds of years, that some fought wars to defend their ownership of slaves or that racism was once sponsored by the state, why do we shy away from themes related to the dynamics of human sexual urges and attraction? Why don't we categorically tell teen boys that their sexual urges can control them more than they control their sexual urges? Why don't we train boys to recognize male sexual attractiveness as much as we train girls to recognize female sexual attractiveness? Just because these relatively harmless themes make us uncomfortable? FFS I didn't even know how important height was for male sexual attractiveness until I was in college. How ridiculous is that? Any idiot of either gender since middle school knows that an hourglass figure is considered attractive by males. Young women should also be taught a few things, although in my opinion it's already inherent in western society for women to be socially "wiser". Perhaps at the very least women should be presented with knowledge about things such as the root nature of female promiscuity, the reasons for its judgment by society, both modern and ancient. They could then make life choices with more understanding and self-awareness, and if they choose to be promiscuous, without guilt and without being scared to death of being "outed". And we need to spread the idea to guys that there is no reason to denigrate promiscuous girls because they don't find you attractive enough for casual sex. Nobody is forcing you to woo them, so stop the jealousy and hate.

We should teach and discuss all these issues openly, and by default. Who would deny that human sexuality is a huge part of our existence? I think we would be healthier as a society if we openly recognized our basest nature as part of the basis for knowledge, instead trying to avoid and deflect it, or relegating it to some fringe subject of discussion just because it makes us uncomfortable. We have birth control and paternity testing. The days of cuckolded offspring are (should be) over. Are there any rational reasons as to why we should clutch onto rigid social norms that want to keep discussions about sexual behavior a taboo? Why must sluts be shamed? And why should average young guys lack the self-awareness to accept (or be kept in the dark about) their relative unattractiveness? We should grow up. We don't have to embrace our nature, but we should at least be knowledgeable about it.

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  • I'm not interested in casual sex. While it isn't something to be shamed, I can't say it's something to necessarily be *encouraged* either. We might do well to teach people *not* to approach relationships in the way we approach everything else in our culture of instant gratification; people are far too quick to split up instead of working out their problems, with highly damaging consequences which are starting to damage the very prospect of long-term partnership (and with it, stable environments for child-rearing).

    One thing we could do better though is to teach people how to say "yes" as well as "no." Sex ed, at least where I grew up, was worthless (this is your dick, this is your dick on herpes).

    • This isn't about "you". If you don't think boys, at large, from teens to college are driven by sex, you are dismissing reality. If your only concern is "stable environments for child-rearing", it doesn't even begin to approach what I'm talking about.

    • If your only concern is instructing people on how to land a one-night stand and think education should reflect that, you have no grasp of what keeps society running. Yes, we should be addressing this. We should also be addressing how to land on your feet at the far end when you're done screwing around. How to function in a relationship with a long-term future, and everything that goes with it, instead of just focusing on instant gratification. How to make one's self an attractive prospect for *that.*

    • Not sure if you can see yourself attacking your strawman or not. Please point out where I said anything about instructing people on one night stands? Looks to me like you saw what you wanted to see when you read this Take.

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  • So biased take. It's bullshit all girls can get a boyfriend just by asking. No, some girls aren't that lucky. I'm one of them, I ask guys to hand out so I am makikg moves. I try to make myself more pretty byt even make up can't fix ugly face.

    And yeah maybe girls can get SEX jusg by asking, but do we all want that? No. I don't want casual sex. And It isn't our fault we can get sex from you guys any time we want. It's because you guys male it so easy.

    Anyways, I think they should teach teenagers more about yhese things. How sexuality is okay. Kids would grow up way more open minded without stupid generalisations (like how all girls can get boyfriend just like that)

    • So you're blaming us guys for your high sex drive...

    • My sex drive is not that high. I just said I don't want casual sex. I don't understand where you got that idea. I don't get your point.

    • Oooh. I read that part again and I finally got what you were saying.

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  • Dads were supposed to teach us this shit but many dads (mine included) are a bunch of pussies who couldn't pick up a girl at a brothel, and many religious families have sons who don't know shit. Many families without a father figure also create sons like this. Add Disney love messages found in mass advertising and over caring mothers and BOOM, a guy doesn't stand a chance. I do think they should teach it but then you get called a pick up artist and frowned upon anyway. Fuck that shit!

    • There's truth in your comment. But my point is not about teaching anyone to "pick up" girls. Maybe only to teach the basic parameters of the "pick up" game, if you want to call it that (e. g. sexual attractiveness).

    • Pick up is about sexual attraction. Picking up girls and sexual attraction can be seen as different but you ain't picking up any girls or kissing that cheerleader in the pic without sexual attraction. They can be synonymous. In fact I could even substitute pick up artist with "sexual attraction" artist. But yes, many guys have lost this and I wish there was education for it. It's only in pick up books.

    • I'm not too clear in what you're saying. Are you implying that sexual attractiveness is a skill that can be learned? Sexual attractiveness is usually in your genes, indicated by the way you look, and from there can be supplemented with other traits such as charm, success, etc. Sexual attractiveness is NOT a wholly learned skill. 'Pick-up artistry' is completely fraudulent.

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  • Interesting take, although somewhat vague and rather all over the place in terms of a point.

    • It's something most the women wouldn't understand, because women reason differently (hence the way education is being taught, etc.). It made perfect sense to me.

  • There should just be a whole class on "Sex, Dating and Relationships".

  • I understand where you are coming from, maybe basics of 'dating' can be taught as a small component, kind of like sex education, career advice. These aren't things that are typically academic but are taught because they are important aspects of a young person's life.

    Having said that though, language, maths, science etc are still far more important subjects to learn in school. There already enough delinquents going around, any less education in these areas would not be a good thing.

    Another thing is men who REALLY struggle with women are in the minority. I'm Asian Australian, most of my friends are also Asian. Supposedly, we're supposed to be fucked when it comes to dating. All of us have partners and girlfriends. Even the ones who were bad with women eventually figure it out, I would say only a very small minority of people actually never get it. And for those people, unfortunately there's not much you can do.

    • Teaching traditional school subjects and teaching human sexuality are not mutually exclusive. It's not either-or. And this is not about "men who REALLY struggle with women". My Take is a broad criticism of the dynamics of modern human sexuality. But I don't think it's necessary to repeat myself. If you have any specific questions or comments relevant to any specific points I presented, feel free to ask.

    • Well its not really 'either/or'. Anytime thats spent teaching, is time spent not teaching core subjects that matter academically. And from a teaching point of view, academics is WAY more important than teaching a kid that 'to accept the futility of dating'. The main purpose of school after all is to prepare children academically after all. I get your broad criticism. Your post here reminds me of 1000 other posts on GAG. Generally pertains to some guy (not a popular kid in school), has a hard time getting girls. Generally describes himself as a nice, pleasant guy with all the right attributes that women should want. Blames something (feminism, hypocrisy of women, ridiculous standards of women, darwinism or something else).

    • First paragraph: That is merely your interpretation and your opinion. There is no such thing as a universal charter of what high school education is supposed to be. And it is merely your opinion that it should be 8 full hrs of the only subjects you consider important. The way I understand it, it's supposed to be more about preparation for university. I would say not middling over flawed expectations in social life would be a tremendous boon towards academic focus. But this was a basic point in my take, of which you only say in words you understood. 2nd paragraph: You say you get my criticism, but yet you don't show that you do if you are going to do precisely what I warned about in the take: dismiss it as mra/whining of a self-serving nature. And you even threw in some classics as a bonus, which I never said a peep about and you just pulled out of a dark, private place (nobody said anything about 'nice, pleasant guys' trope... at all)

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  • I respect your opinion, although I must respectfully disagree. Yes, sexuality is a large part of our society, much too large. I believe this would cause more harm than good. It is also not the school's job to teach these things and it would be rather inappropriate to. This is a job for the parents and I'm sure many parents would not feel comfortable with their children learning about this. I would be one of them.

    • Can you elaborate on the harm that it would cause?

    • Well parents do a piss poor job of teaching their kids about it. Especially ones from religious backgrounds. So it begs the question, where is a man supposed to learn then?

  • I always had the idea that if we were to teach guys not how to be sexually attractive, but to not chase women like dogs, then we would see general improvement. If less men chase women then more women would have a reason to put at least some effort in it.

    • So you want to say that not chasing them is going to make them work for the D a little more?

    • Pretty much yeah. But this can not be implemented barring some social reconstruction a never-before seen scale. I'm talking dictator-takes-over-and-forces-every-one-to-behave-this-way scale.

    • I never said to teach them that. You can't teach that. It's something you are or you aren't, esp. for guys.

  • I'm so glad I am not a teenager now. When you get older you will realize how much of all of this is bullshit.

    • Bullshit, why?

    • Did you read the take? It's a multitude of things that dont matter

    • I'm glad I'm not a teenager anymore either most of them suck

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  • Yeah, I've learned that we all live in an heirarchical society a long time ago. One that only pretends it's free.

    It's considered weird to go around saying, "Yes m'lord. Whatever you say, m'lord." But I would if I could, just so people would leave me the hell alone.

  • What the shit? You mean like someone should coach you on sexual attraction? Figure it out for yourself man

    • Same can be said of stranger danger, drug abuse, birth control, etc etc. Figure it out for yourself!

  • your completely right liked the take. Yet nobody realizes it chasing women is a waste of time stress and energy and can literally lead guys to ruin themselves. I feel like i just began to understand this. Whats worse is that guys are tricked to think only they want sex while sex is the females game so your fighting ridiculous odds, and your not bettering yourself which will lead to a happier you and a more attractive you.

  • I can't read this all now but that pic was really so romatic.
    I want one kiss like that 😍

  • So what's the point of this take?(i read it)

    • Is there something you didn't understand?

  • Can't you break down your take into something more concise and with more pictures?

    • A comic book is in the works. Stay tuned.

  • No, trigonometry and mass and weight are more important!

    • Are they mutually exclusive?

  • lol, picture shows the captain of the cheer team and the QB of the football team, how typical