1.
If the parents are too shy about genitals to teach their boys to wash themselves, kids should absolutely be circumcised.
If a kid is taught how to wash his penis, it is unneeded in 90% of cases.
In case of phimosis, it is a necessity.
It is helpful against "snapping the banjo string" link
2.
It will be less intrusive when done on a newborn, as Americans and Jews do than when done at 6 or 7, as Muslims do or at 12 or so as some tribes do (beginning of "manhood" )
3.
No god can have foreskins as preoccupation (or he would be a gay pedo LOL). You can safely assume no god is interested. Worshippers do it. This is what some Christians think about it: link Bible references included.
4.
It will rather dumb nerve endings on the penis head ( from frothing against underwear with an uncovered glans -Latin word for head of penis )
5.
Women should only get circumcised by a surgeon in extremely rare cases: when the clitoris hood is so large it covers the clit completely and blocks her from having orgasms and when smegma builds up under it. this is extremely rare: maybe 1/100
all other kinds of female circumcision are Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) in different degrees, aimed at prohibiting girls and women from obtaining orgasm, thus lowering their sex drive.
There is one widespread exception: a little needle prick in the clit hood, giving one tiny drop of blood, leaving the girl intact just enough to tell to the family that "it" has been done and comply with local habits, because female circumcision is NOT prescribed by the Qu'ran, it is a pure geographically bound practice with religion as an excuse for the illiterate.
The Mufti of Cairo, one of the highest Muslim authorities emitted a fatwa against it.
Female circumcision was practised on limited scale in America against masturbation an hysteria. Kellogg advocated it :
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In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid [phenol] to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. ”
He also recommended, to prevent children from this "solitary vice", bandaging or tying their hands, covering their genitals with patented cages, sewing the foreskin shut and electrical shock.[5]
link
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In the US, FGM WAS paid for by a health insurance plan (Red Shield Blue Cross) until the seventies.
There were others like him, in Europe too (I know of a GP who proposed FGM in the fifties, in Europe)
Yet again I have to correct this lie - it is NOT necessary to circumcise as a result of phimosis (tight foreskin). In 90% of cases, phimosis can be cured by simple stretching. Phimosis also can't be diagnosed until after puberty, as before this age, the foreskin is MEANT to be tight and this is totally healthy. The foreskin is fused to the glans in childhood, making infant circumcision MORE intrusive and more painful, as well as more likely to go wrong. Adult circumcision has fewer risks.
Phimosis can be diagnosed quite early and treated by stretching but if it isn't diagnosed it will possibly lead to balanitis : link
That's why circumcision was introduced, thousands of years ago. IMHO it's not necessary if the parents learn their son how to cope with a tight foreskin but how many parents would even speak about the subject? Not many, I fear.
Of all the questions I have seen recently, this one really is quite disturbing. Very disturbing for the fact that you are trying to say that Jehovah would approve of this. I`ll keep this short:
This
Is
Madness
I am just throwing out the question. It is a popular cultural thing for people to circumcise their boys in the name of God. I agree, it is madness.
Trust me, circumcision is totally unnecessary and just a stupid old world practice. I am glad that I am uncircumcised. If some girl has problem with that, I don't care. I don't want to do anything with any girl who wants my penis mutilated.
I agree. I wish they would stop mutilating the bodies we were given to begin with. :)
if you wait til you're older than you'll remember all the pain! why on earth would you wanna do that? o.O
My boyfriend was never circumcised, but that's because he was born in Germany...God told Abraham...I think it was Abraham...yeah pretty sure it was him...to Circumcise future generations and well, Hitler didn't take to kindly to the Jews...hence the Holocaust. So they do not Circumcise in Germany. bahahaha.
I hear there's greater pleasure when there is no circumcision...oh baby. ;]
Also it's a hygiene issue. You're more likely to get infection down under when you're not circumcised.
Female circumcision is complete nonsense. There is no purpose to it unless you believe females should not enjoy sexual activity! SEX IS NOT BAD! The bible even says so too for those prude Christians out there who believe so. =]
Proverbs 5:18-19 (New Living Translation)
18 Let your wife be a fountain of blessing for you.
Rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 She is a loving deer, a graceful doe.
Let her breasts satisfy you always.
May you always be captivated by her love.
Song of Solomon 4:10-12 (New Living Translation)
10 Your love delights me,
my treasure, my bride.
Your love is better than wine,
your perfume more fragrant than spices.
11 Your lips are as sweet as nectar, my bride.
Honey and milk are under your tongue.
Your clothes are scented
like the cedars of Lebanon.
12 You are my private garden, my treasure, my bride,
a secluded spring, a hidden fountain.
seeeeeee there is nothing wrong with sex! It's just the controversy with non believers about sex before marriage. =/
1. No. Circumcision is cosmetic surgery, and infants cannot consent to it. Performing sugery for no reason other than the parents' choice is ethically wrong.
2. It's cruel to do it to anyone who doesn't choose it for themselves.
3. Wait until they decide for themselves.
4. It's not cruel to let someone decide for themselves at an age where they can get proper pain relief and can understand what's being done to them and why. In fact it's no more cruel than any other cosmetic surgery.
5. There is no god, so no. Even if a person believes in god, their religion is not more important than a child's bodily rights. The child has no religion, and isn't the property of his parents. If people think their god wants men circumcised, they can circumcise themselves, not helpless infants.
6. The feeling of nerve endings in the foreskin is lost due to circumcision, as is some sensitivity of the glans. Sorrel et al found this when they studied fine touch perception of the penis.
7. If, as adults, they choose to do it to themselves and are given proper pain meds, then that's their decision.
Body modification is something adults should be able to choose for themselves after psychiatric assessment, as with breast implants or rhinoplasty. The genitals are such a personal and private area that no-one except the person who owns those genitals should be able to alter what is natural and healthy. It is not legal to remove any other healthy part of a newborn's body, so why make an exception for the part which is most highly innervated and so personal?
I'm all in favour of personal choice, but people are wrong if they think that choice belongs to the parents. It belongs to the child.
um okay, well I am not sure bout this one. I think its better because it keeps that area cleaner, not having to clean inside the skin fold so well. they have done research showing in Africa it has reduced AIDS because the skin at the head is full of white blood cells which the virus attacks thus gettin rid of it is just a little more they can do to help. the reason I would say no is because of constant friction, they say men can lose feeling and that's not really fair because you want them to feel everything right. id do it less for religious and more because pros and cons, there are more pros.
also, women circumcising is disgusting. in Africa they do that to ruin the women, they do it to "make it smaller" so its more enjoyable for the man, and there is no need to cut a womans genital areas. it is not the same as a man.
also I would do it to a baby since you are constantly looking after them at birth, and changing diapers, and cleaning them, that way you can watch for any problems. I also doubt it really is that painful, people have surgeries all the time, its only a thin peice of skin being cut off. same as asking should we cut the embilical cord, because it might hurt.
I don't know. I am uncircumcised and never had any problems. And it's true constant friction makes the area a lot less sensitive. I think it's best to leave the human body as it is in nature. Of course we need to cut hairs and stuffs but they are all dead cells but in circumcision we are cutting the live foreskin.
Okay let me take the whore route now... I've been with both, and I prefer cut because for one, it does seem cleaner, and for two, when giving head, I prefer it to the skin moving around. its just my preference. if I liked a guy tho it wouldn't matter.
What is the constant friction that makes the area less sensitive? I have never heard of that.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!It was originally supported by Mr. Kellogg (the guy who's name adorns the cereal box, seriously) in the United states to prevent boys from masturbating and he also approved of circumcision for girls too.
In the US, 80% of boys are circumcised, in Europe only 10% have docked dicks.
I've been with both a circumcised man and an uncut man, I used to think foreskin was disgusting, but the more I got to "play with it" as it were, I actually prefer an uncut penis.
Circumcising women is simply to prevent them from feeling ANY pleasure what-so-ever, in come cultures they even sow up the vagina! To us in the modern world, it is viewed as horrendous, but to them it's "the natural order of things". In those cultures, they believe that a woman should be submissive to her husband, hence the circumcision. Seriously, that's the reason.
I don't believe we should cut our kids unless they want to be cut, they should make the choice, not the parents at a young age.
it does not "prevent" masturbation. it only makes it harder to ejaculate, and makes it less fun.
should baby boys be circumcised? no. wait till later or simply forget the idea.
or is it cruel to do when they're too young? yes because most doctors can't be bothered to use lidocaine.
is it more cruel to make them go through it later? when they're older, proper anesthesia is always used. best of all, it should be his adult decision.
should we do it for god? only the jewish and moslem god.
should they do it for the extra feeling at the nerve endings? circ reduces feeling except when done as a last resort for phimosis.
should women get circumcised too? hell no!
You think it doesn't reduce sensitivity if it's done for phimosis? That makes no sense - the same nerve endings are lost, it's still an amputation.
Should baby boys be circumcised?
NO
Or is it cruel to do when they're too young?
YES
Should we wait until they're older?
NO they should decide for themselves when they are older its not your body.
Is it more cruel to make them go through it later?
NO - men are able to have pain killers and local anistetics as an adult but as a child they can't and feel it far more. But agan YOU shouldn't be making anyone go through anything, It should be thier decission
Should we do it for God?
Again, if the person believes strongly in their religion and it REQUIRES it they should make up their own mind how religious they want to be.
Should they do it for the extra feeling at the nerve endings?
Leaving someone intact has more feeling than cutting them so the comment is misleading
Should women get circumcised too?
Why? Mother nature or god doesn't make mistakes so why do we believe we are smarter?
Using common sense there will always be a rare occasion when a person needs to be circumcised but they are very rare. The same could be said about a woman.
so in actual MEDICAL emergencies I can understand it but for vanity or religious belief I believe it should be left up to the individual after they reach the age of 18
"Should we do it for God? Again, if the person believes strongly in their religion and it REQUIRES it they should make up their own mind how religious they want to be." AMEN!
No reason why not. Baby girls get their ears pierced, baby boys are circumcised. Yeah, he doesn’t have a say in it, but that doesn’t mean it’s morally wrong. He doesn’t have a say in the vaccinations that he gets either. Circumcision actually PREVENTS infections, so it’s a health-related procedure. I think the parents have every right to make the choice for their child.
Except that it's removing a naturally occurring part of your body. It's a life long change that can't be undone. It's medically not required. It removes the most sensitive part of a male's penis. It dulls the glans. Oh, and it's now considered a breach of a child's human rights. Imagine if it was an arm, instead of skin. Or your clitoris. No parent has the 'right' to say, chop that off so it 'fits in'. And, more to the point, it's not even that common now. Thank goodness it's now not done.
Yes.
There really is no downside to having it done, and doing it as a baby is the best time to do it.
I am sure that no circumcised man remembers having it done if they had it as a baby.
There really is no point in not having it done.
I am always amazed at the degree of certainty expressed by ignorant people.
You. Are. Insane
Because its a great idea to cut off perfectly functioning genital tissue. *rolls eyes*
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