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Let's start at the very beginning. A lot of people believe that when a woman's hymen breaks it means that they are no longer virgins. As of now, according to society the belief is that hymens break due to sexual intercourse or doing the splits. However the hymen can break with us just living our lives and some don't break at all.
The hymen is a thin stretchy bit around the vagina, however it's not a barrier. Also, it doesn't necessarily have to hurt the first time someone has sexual intercourse, if they're careful. It's just a myth that a lot of people believe. The biggest thing about this is that hymens can heal and a lot of them are never even torn in the first place.
People just assume that an intact hymen means that one is a virgin. Which is completely not true and hence virginity exams are straight up sexual assaults and they don't even prove anything. Therefore the whole concept of virginity doesn't even exist as one cannot prove if a person is a virgin or not in any way.
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I don't think you addressed your title. When people talk to me about virginity they're not talking about hymens, they're talking about whether or not a person has had sex. Your myTake doesn't even address virginity in males, for example.
Otherwise I found it interesting.
Pardon me, but in the case of males, it's even harder to determine. A lot of people believe that an intact hymen = virgin. And since there are no virginity tests for males, well i didn't feel the necessity to point out that males don't have virginity tests.
What do you think concept means?
It's pretty much an idea basically. And in this particular case the concept of virginity doesn't exist as one cannot by any means prove that someone is a virgin or not.
So your title says, "The Idea of Virginity Does Not Exist" and your article demonstrated that one method some think are used to determine virginity is wrong. To me it seems like if I were to write an article titled, "Gravity does not exist" and then proceed to show that under enough g-forces I can levitate (or something to that effect). Do you see what I'm saying?
pardon me, but in your comparison when you say gravity doesn't exist you are using artificial forces to create a space of vacuum where gravity doesn't exist. in my particular take, one cannot by any means prove if a person is a virgin or not. There are no tests. In your case, you can create a particular area in where " Gravity doesn't exist" and yes, it is possible. But in my case it doesn't exist as a whole. You cannot tell at all if a person is a virgin or not.
Sure, but I also can't tell just from looking at someone whether or not they're born in March, that doesn't mean that there's no such thing as March. I think there's some confusion here. Virginity is a concept, a socially contrived one surely, but it still exists in the same way that gender, money, and doctorates do. Virginity is about whether or not someone has had intercourse, not whether or not someone's hymen is intact. It's true that some cultures, and people, think that a valid test for virginity is vaginal bleeding as a result of a hymen tear, and that is wrong, but it doesn't mean that the concept (not having had sex) doesn't exist.
It isn't about not having sex. Linguistically and socially yes, there is a term. However in terms of science since there is no possible way of proving that someone is a virgin ( same with the birthing. Unless you see the person actually being born in march you never know. Officially anyone can be anything) In the same way, one can tell people that yes, i'm a virgin or no, i'm not but only the person themselves would know.
Sure. Whether or not something can be proven doesn't address whether or not it exists though, right?
Virginity or lack there of, doesn't depend on a hymen. If she has not had penile penetration, she's a virgin. If a penis has been in her vagina, she's no longer a virgin.
The concept of virginity exists.
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If you mean actual virginity it exists too. For instance I'm a virgin having never had intercourse with a man.
Alright, let's think about it. According to you penetration is sexual intercourse right? Well, what about homosexuals where penetration doesn't occur? Sexual intercourse means a lot of things for many different people and it doesn't necessarily have to mean penetration. But that's not what i am trying to state over here. The concept of virginity does not exist as one cannot really prove if a person is a virgin or not.
The concept defenintly exists as the concept of virginity is a theory or hypothesis or postulation or belief or conviction or opinion, view or image or impression or picture of what virginity actually is. The notion of virginity is an old one and it's basically defined by the first time a person has penetrative intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Virginity does exist whether it can be proved a person is a virgin or not as it's literally the first time a person experiences vaginal sex.
Fine, enlighten me. How do you prove that a person is a virgin unless and until you've had sex with them yourself or you've seen them do it.
How do you prove some hasn't eaten at McDonald's unless you've seen them going there or have eaten with them? How do you prove someone is a human being and not a terminator sent back through time to kill Sarah Connor? The ability to prove or disapprove if someone has had sex does not change whether a person is a virgin.
That's the whole point! It cannot be proved. That's why it doesn't exist. That's why we cannot by any means say that a person is theoretically a virgin or not, unless and until we had sex with them ourselves or saw them do it. That's the whole point of this Take.
But the concept of virginity still exists. For instance I know that I'm a virgin. It's pretty easy to tell which guys are virgin's.
Oh yeah? Tell me how? Do you just assume by how they look? Or do you actually happen to know a way to prove that they have in fact never taken part in sexual intercourse?
I can't prove who has stds either.
Of course one can prove STDs. There are like so many tests.
Well my obgyn was able to tell I was a virgin and thst was a month ago.
Did you ask him/her how they did it? Did they look at your hymen, see that it was intact and tell you " you're a virgin"?
Yes that's exactly it. She was able to tell that I was a virgin.
i give up. There's no point in trying to debate with people who literally just missed the entire point. Again, an intact hymen is not equal to " you are a virgin". Let's just end this since you have clearly lost your point in the whole scenario.
Scenario? I thought we were talking about a concept?
I see where you're trying to get at, but really the concept is still there. Physically, no. But in another aspect yes. if you have been torn but haven't had sex, still a virgin. If you have had sex, no matter if you've gotten torn or not, congrats, virginity lost.
So how do you know?
you know you've lost your virginity if you've gone and had sex
YOU know it. But how do you prove it? is there any particular test for virginity proving?
that's kinda a tricky part, like there isn't a way of truly being able to prove it
That's my entire point in this take. It cannot be proven.
well to all of you boys, girls, men, women it's just a bit more complicated than that, myself i really desire to find a vestale virgin or a an unspoiled virgin if you prefer i have my own reasons and surprise they are absolutly not religious, i don't take my orders from anyone i'am a IGOMW meaning i going on my way, cogito ego sum , if on an biological field you could considered than effectivelly you couldn't prove anything for the simple reason than there is different forms of hymens, different form of vaginas, than the hymen could break at the gym or any kind of sportly activity, but on the moral field it's a complete other matter, without going on the religious path, we talk here only on statements , on circonstencial facts, virginity is refering for something who wasn't defiled, it's refering on the action to penetrate when come the human sexual activity, it's also valuable for the other mammals, i think so, sorry if i'am a bit wrong on that part
a girl who wasn't involve with a guy is virgin , does we considered deep tongue kissing in the process, hmmm i think more yes than not
but a non vaginally penetrated girl who is anally penetrated or orally penetrated couldn't been considered as virgin because she was simply penetrated, the misconception of reborn virgin by some religious currents is wrong, you couldn't been reborn virgin a least physically it's impossible,
morally is an other matter
in that part if the person is not able to gave you a clear cut anwser and seems escaping not because she's shy or really embaressed something than it could been completly understanable but because she knows than she couldn''t completly hiding the truth and believe me my Aries radar is very very strong, she's no more virgin , simple.
after all is matter of frankness, and when people lies you feel it
now if the girl was never been involved with a guy she's virgin, but we could stand than kissing is not completly sexual but more erotic if the both parts stay dressed
i'am egalitarist and i stand for the rights to the people to understand, but because i have read a lot the revealed monotheistic religions are astounishing of dumberness when came the sexuality hetero normed in that case, i fit more with aretaic ethics, taoism and buddhism who embrace the sexual pleasures in the joy and harmony than the psycho-rigid moral code let by the three other ones
no to the virgin shaming/bashing, there is no shame to be
yes to a joyfull sexuality in a frame of genuine trustfull honest monogamy in joy and harmony, to my young fellows keep that line in your minds than if your still it , it's an honor for your partner, because sex and love feelings are interlocked and stronger than everything because Love cannot be bought or earned, it's not a product or a merchandise it's the gift of herself, if you want an harmonious life find your ying or your yang, and have sex the more often possible with your partner
Having a hymen or not having a hymen, has nothing to do with being a female being a virgin. To be a virgin simply mean, that you have not had sexual intercourse.
But there is a difference between being a virgin and being a pure virgin. A girl can be a virgin and be engaging in oral sex and other none penetrating stimulation sex. A pure virgin, is a female that has had no sexual contact at all.
Funny you don't even mention men.
@MlleCake Because men don't have to worry about if they are pure or a virgin, being a male virgin is not looked at as a plus by most females. I have yet to meet a female that has said, I want my man to be a virgin.
That's the thing. I was kind of pointing out the inherent sexism in the whole debate as well.
@MlleCake Most men do not give a damn about if a girls is a virgin or not, there is a very small amount of men that have a mindset that I will only marry a virgin. Being a virgin or staying a virgin is something women use as a weapon against other women, when they are bitching and gossiping about each other. The I have only been with 2 guys, she has been with 7 guys what a ho. The sexism of virginity, is for the most partperpetrate and enforced by other women not by men. I personally know a female that is a pure virgin, she has never engaged in any kind of sexual activities. It is not guys that are pressuring her about her virginal state, it is other women that are doing that and behind her back they run her down to the ground. "What she thinks she is better than anyone else", "What is she trying to prove", "What is her problem". Crap like that is said, I have yet to hear another female talk about her being a virgin in a positive way.
I don't recall having accused men of it, specifically.
You may not have to feel pain or whatever but i was totally comfortable with my partner and he wasn't doing anything wrong or anything particularly unskillful. It hurt me and i bled some. You can't go around saying oh it doesn't have to feel that way, it's myth! Because... it's not a myth. Every girl is different. Just because you may not have had that experience doesn't mean you've somehow uncovered the truth about how sex really is. You can read and pull up all kinds of stuff that'll tell you it doesn't have to hurt. That's bs because they can't speak for the entire population of women. There's some article saying that anal doesn't have to hurt if you take it slow... that's not entirely true. The process may be less painful, but that doesn't mean there won't be some kind of discomfort. People are different. So stop feeding people lies like we all just need to relax when in reality... you can be as relaxed as a rag-doll and it can still hurt.
Oh boy -.-
Being a virgin is when you have not had sex yet
Hopefully that helps with the definitions
Thanks. This is comment is very illuminating and the opposite of feminist drivel.
I think the title is misleading. Virginity is a real thing, but there is no way of identifying whether or not someone is a virgin, except by knowing the person and his/her history.
Virgin is whether a person has been with another sexually. Who cares about "hymens"? Maybe some strict muslims.
Have you had sex with a guy/gal? Have you done oral with a guy/gal? You aren't a virgin then. Hyman or no Hyman.
It is a social construct.
Hymen and virginity don't really have much to do with each other. If you haven't had sex in which a penis has entered a vagina, then you are a virgin. Hymen intact or not. The end.
You are correct insofar as the fairy tale of the hymen is concerned. I absolutely agree with you that forced 'virginity exams' are sexual assault.
My point is that virginity is irrelevant.
The thing is that the hymen has nothing to do with virginity and therefore cannot support the idea that 'the concept of virginity does not exist'.
@LegateLanius below quotes part 1 of the OED definition but misses the most important point as follows:
1.1 The state of being naive, innocent, or inexperienced in a particular context
@Dargil points out thst virginity is a state of mind (naive, innocent). It must be clear that girls who have never had intercourse need not be naive or innocent or for that matter sexually inexperienced.
A sampling of synonyms from any thesaurus includes
Purity, decency, dignity, sinlessness. The last is fun because to my mind a girl might have had sex with dozens of guys and still be pure, decent, dignified, and sinless and so in all but the trivial sense of intercourse still a virgin. No, consensual sex is not a sin. I recall a vesrion of the Aphrodite that said no matter how many men, women, couples, and donkeys she'd fucked in a day, she'd wake up the next morning a virgin once more.
the state of never having had sexual intercourse. This part is equally as important
@LegateLanius We can agree to disagree. It's just a bit too weird for me to equate a lifetime's moral code with a single act of love.
You're right. The hymen literally has nothing to do with sexual intercourse. But many believe that it does. When in reality it plays no part at all, with the exception that one's hymen MIGHT tear if people are not careful. In the case of virginity, i'm speaking from a more scientific point of view and not a social construct. In the sense that since scientifically we cannot prove if one is a virgin or not, the concept of being a virgin does not exist.
I find science somewhat interesting but confining, too limited in scope to be intellectually exciting. Purely a personal opinion.
I agree. However logic and intellect can at a certain point co-exist together. At very rare points but it's possible. It's all a matter of perception after all. Science can be separated from intellect or they can both combine forces and make something so subtle and yet so powerful. And the best part? Hardly anyone will ever question it. After all we work in the sheep and shepherd way. Not the wolf and sheep way. The shepherds realize that they can manipulate and coerce the sheep to do whatever they want them to. To be part of the game that they like to play. Instead of just using brutal suppression. It's beautiful honestly. Power. Dangerously beautiful. It can make those who want it do anything and everything well beyond their current power to have more of it.
The loss of “virginity” is decided by the individual.
No it's decided by whether or not you have had sex
Yeah, go preach to a nun. Lol. Teen Vogue has screwed up a generation. Sigh. Linguistically and scientifically, yeah, it does exist. So much so that every language has a word for it or at least has a word that acknowledges the idea. Not everything is about your hymen. Sorry to break it to you, the world doesn't revolve around it.
what a stupid response, linguistically yeah it exists but you can't prove virginity scientifically.
@Volvagia well, unless medicine isn't a branch of science...
medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/virgin Snowflakes these days...
lol linking a "medical dictionary" definition of virginity doesn't really say much except that it's probs there cuz the concept of virginity is partially relevant to other medical stuff like pregnancy and STD's, etc. but you can't conclusively prove someone is a virgin. That's what I'm getting at smartass
@Volvagia you can't get a STD if you're a virgin. Well not the ST way anyway. Except for AIDS.
they're commonly caused by sexual contact but depending on the STD, you can get them by other means like contact with blood or skin or sometimes an infant can acquire an STD if their mother is infected, etc.
@Volvagia which is why AIDS.
There's more to it than that. "Sexual activity plays a role in spreading many other infectious agents, although it's possible to be infected without sexual contact. Examples include the hepatitis A, B and C viruses, shigella, and Giardia intestinalis." www.mayoclinic.org/.../syc-20351240
People just want to be the only one, exclusive, if only one person has sex with her/him then its a super ego boost.
They just seek a way to figure that out and want to believe that virginity can be made certain by the look of vagina or something
Dont take away hope and pride from people, this ends badly
It absolutely does. Virginity is a state of mind and experience, not a flap of skin. A virgin is a person who has not had sexual intercourse. It does not matter if she has befriended this.
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The fact that one can't prove virginity physically doesn't mean the concept doesn't exist.
The concept exists, since we can describe the idea. And the state of being a virgin exists too, since people have or haven't had any given type of sex.