For example...Girls praise of The Teeth movie ( if your unfamiliar with this : link
Lorena Bobbit Jokes. And ironically girls sniff out sexism all the time in other areas, But when it comes to men being mutilated..they don't care or even think its funny. One woman on Yahoo answers, gave a really refreshing answer on this topic.
She said:
"Girls lets admit it; aren't we casual about cutting off penis questions? I keep reading nasty answers from women saying they would gladly cut their boyfriend's penis if he cheats or some other stupid answer. In my mind even rape is not a good enough reason to mutilate a human being. And as most sane women would say, sexual aggression in between the ears, not between the legs. hence penectomy is a fraud. a cut rapist will seek revenge in the most horrible way using all kinds of substitute. So it is a bit our fault if young men feel insecure. We are starting to look like wacko psycho b**** with those kind of answer."
I wish all girls could be as sane and sensitive as her. The thing that bugs is that guys often ask these questions feeling insecure and wanting honest answers from women, but instead they get sarcasm and indifference.
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Why are girls so casual about sexual mutilation of men?
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30 22Wow the girls you are referring to are so not the norm. That movie was just f***ed up and I don't know a girl with a different opinion. My friends and I never joke about mutilation or anything like that. So I have no idea where you're getting the idea that most girls are OK with this stuff.
Its mostly for girls I know personally..thats good to hear u/ur friends aren't like that though
I mean just look at the girl that posted before you...theres a lot of girls that think its funny
Yeah I guess you're right. :/ still it seems so weird since I have never ever encountered a girl who felt like that.
Thats good lol...u are in a good crowd then...I hope I meet someone like your or your friends someday..
Because men are so casual about beating the crap out of us & degrating us like we are dogs.
I'm defintely not...I never joked about beating a girl up or thoguth domestic violence was funny. ever.
Women beaters get beaten, so no.
'some' dear. it takes 2 to tango
not in the us
This makes me think of the bullsh*t double standards of Female and Male circumcision (or mutilation). Studies haven't said sh*t about it being "cleaner" for a guy to be circumcised and every guy who was circumcised that got their foreskin back (no sh*t, they can grow it back!) says the sex is way better. I've known plenty girls who claim the sex is better with a guy who has foreskin vs those who don't. Just amuses and disgusts me that people are for one circumcision, but against the other. Be against them both. Let nature be and focus on other things to make the sex better or whatnot.
Anyways, I do agree with that about girls (to be fair guys too) tend to be more casual about men having their balls or d*** cut off instead of toward women. Not sure why. It's just how society is. It's something that needs to change.
You've just identified why people are all more okay with the idea of violence against male genitals than they are against female genitals - because they're trained to be that way in order that they will accept male circumcision. I oppose all forms of genital mutilation, but circumcision of men is profitable, and many circumcised men have a psychological desire to see it done to others (it makes them feel normal) so society tells people it's not important, or even good.
Ya I know :\ it just bothers me. Especially more so after watching Bullsh*t's episode on it :P Penn and Teller are so awesome. I wish they ran the country just to see what kinda world they'd create. It'd probably be far bette imo.
Girls also seem to love the culture of 'rap' which does nothing but degrade females.
Ever see the old movie I Spit on Your Grave? This woman survives a gang rape... but cuts off all the rapists d***s, and murders them in the end... But yes, women do take it a bit too casual about kicking, cutting off d***s... imagine if guys talked about kicking women in the coochie... or punching a woman in the titty...
Girls are responding over time, to 40+ years of Feminist ruleLOL!
Now the stupid girls of society try to Live stupidity.
US blokes are not interested in them.
We want the good ol' fashioned servile girls who were just Beautiful.
Soemthing quite different altogether really.
Work with them ... there are Plenty still around.
Feminist rule? You clearly don't know anything about either feminism or society, since your view of feminism is the predominant one in society. Most women don't identify with feminism because they've bought into the attitude of people like you - that feminists are man-haters. We're not - we hate neither men nor women, we think we are equal. And frankly, anyone still denying that needs to get their head out of their own arse.
This is stupid.. first of all. reading that vagina teeth plot was HILARIOUS haha
but there is no excuse for rape.. if girls wanna talk about cutting a rapist's penis off, they should. Not a big deal. Rapists are evil and deserve it.
I read what Freud thought about 'penis envy' but I never experienced it as a threat: link In the human folk lore men 's fright refers to the 'vagina dentata' link (toothed vagina) That legend is also spread in war time in another form : enemy girls are said to carry poisoned spikes in their vagina and to seduce soldiers to kill them that way. (the story was a 'hit ' during the Vietnam war)
With that kind of stories circulating since centuries it's nearly 'normal' that some deranged minds have the idea of doing some thing of that kind when angry : they don't have to invent it.
if you don't mind me asking what "infection" could you possibly have had that amputation might be the cure for your penis? The only reason I ask is cause iv never heard of such a thing. I had a urethral infection once but it cleared up in like a week with pills.
it's OK, my penis has evolved to protect itself against mutilation and being chopped off. It's small and therefore undetected. I can have sex with them in their sleep and they won't know.
creepy very creepy
but this analysis goes against yer screenname
thats part of the trickery
Women are extremely sexist. They piont out sexism when its directed on women, but women arr sexist themselves and direct it at men. There no different then men at all. They've just been getting away with it.
I agree, but let's start with being more precise instead of perpetuating the war. "A WORRYING HIGH NUMBER of women are extremely sexist etc" The answers here though show also there are lots of women who are not sexist
though, by a quick look at it, it does appear the answers here are more from sexists than not.
I love penises, I would never hurt one, I'd cuddle with it & show it all the love it deserves :D
I think the real question is, why are men so casual about this? Your gender never defends themselves when they are attacked by the media, why don't you guys stand up for yourself. If a movie was made that degrates women like Teeth does, & some guy cut his wife's breast off, you can bet feminist would be furious & stand up for themselves. Why can't men take their rights seriously & realize they are being made fun of & degrated by the media all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vtyheqPVUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeMfFzF4SS8Watch these videos:
Why don't men say something about how wrong this stuff is?
i I wish more men did
Well in this day in age it doesn't matter how loud you scream just what you scream and who screams it with you. Feminism is using Hitler speeches, make it so absurd everyone has to believe it. Men are fighting back with fact and people only take that a face value.
Men are. The MRM is trying to do exactly what you're pointing out. But they're brushed off as "misogynists", "woman haters", "rapists", etc. not just by women but by other men (aka white knights) who have been blinded by the feminist culture too. Now some of these activista might have malicious motives but it doesn't mean men don't experience the things that are being pointed out.
I think that many women take out their anger against men in this manner...Even though they might be joking, you can believe that they really mean what they are saying deep down inside. Many women harbor deep anger and hatred towards men, and Yes, many times it comes from having been raped or sexually abused by a man in their lives. Anger and resentment has a way of seeping out somehow. This may not always be the case, but a lot of times it is.
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It's like saying this is funny.
Yeah, I personally laughed. It supposedly hurts like hell, but it's still funny, I think.
Innocent male mutilation isn't funny, nor is innocent female mutilation.
I think girls make those JOKES, but they are not serious comments, it's most likely banter. Same way people make rape jokes or banter.
However, on the subject of evil-minded rapists/sexual predators/murderers who don't show an ounce of guilt for what they have done, MALE or FEMALE. They deserve torture, mutilation and everything under the sun before death. Whether that includes the genitals or not.
If an animal misbehaves, you have it put it down.
If an animal f***s anything that moves, you have it spayed/neutered.
If humans want to act inhumane to others, they give up their humanity and can be considered animals themselves. So yeah, I'll support mutilation for the deserved.
Here my deal though...1) only 2 guys raped...and/or molested her...the others were havign cosensual sex with her...and she was the agressor not them. (even if they wronged her...they did not attack or rape her..one guy she finds out makes a bet on getting her in bed...does that warrant a penectomy?) and secondly...im not a rapist and yet every girl LOVEd teasing me about it...I've never even touched a girl sexually..never mistreated one in any way ever (well okay...I stole my sister's cookie
when I was 5) So why direct that ahtred toward me? why get off on stoking my fears/ vulnerabilites? I honestly just have to conclude these girls have a deep seeded hate of masculinity in general...or a need to last out at it for some reason. Either that or they just hate me evne though I've never done anything to women.
"evil-minded rapists/sexual predators/murderers who don't show an ounce of guilt for what they have done" Obviously talking about INTENTIONAL criminals here who seek to harm people. Not 'grey area' criminals.
well some guys do it inentionally so dpubt..but are remorseful...I know of a guy who raped a girl his age when he was 16 buit changed dramatically after serving time and now has a wife and 2 daughters...he wouldn't hve ny of that if his penis was gone (well not likey) so I think dishing out that kinda punishment would be end up wasting people who do change..but I was talking about girls messing with ME...even though I;ve never ever (nor would I ever) touch a girl against her will in any way
Yet I got comments made to me by girls I watched it with like "Hey you better watch your d*** around us!" or like parts when I obviously was freaked out they got a laugh out of it. Can you imagine if during a rape scene in some movies if I made fun of their fear? how evil would that be? But they don't seem to care about joking about my fear of male mutilation.
well some guys do it inentionally so dpubt..but are remorseful.. So you can forgive someone who does a violent act but has remorse? So can you forgive a woman who chops off a guy's d*ck as long as she's remorseful?
Can you imagine if during a rape scene in some movies if I made fun of their fear? how evil would that be? Just like their are penis chopping jokes there are rape jokes and assualt jokes. Why are you acting like the male gender is the only one victimized? Both genders are.
"So can you forgive a woman who chops off a guy's d*ck as long as she's remorseful?" yes. i have never ever seena guy tease a girl about rape...i mean yes, I've heard jokes like "its not rape is you yell suprise first" but I've even heard that from girls...its just a really absurd funny comment...ive never seen a guy turn to a fear stricken girl during a movie and say something like "hey watch out I might feel like raping u"
I've heard jokes like "its not rape is you yell suprise first" but I've even heard that from girls. .ive never seen a guy turn to a fear stricken girl during a movie and say something like "hey watch out I might feel like raping u" So why can you dismiss rape jokes & not penis chopping jokes? Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it never happens. I've seen guys do that in that context so it does happen. But I've never seen girls make a d*ck chopping off joke
the difference is that women are praised for that kind of behavior...and they hoenstly probably would be committing penectomy crimes left and right if they could get away with it. over petty stupid issues too.
the difference is that women are praised for that kind of behavior. men were praised for that behavior too hence the "put her in her place" and they hoenstly probably would be committing penectomy crimes left and right if they could get away with it. over petty stupid issues too how is this different from studies were men said they think it's okay to rape & studies where men said they'd rape if they could get away with it?
its really not...but the reason I care is that...I'm not like and my friends that are guys are not so I don't worry about those guys...most of the world is messed up people...however, I don't have anyclose friends that are female, never had a girlfriend but I wish I could married someday but I can't trust any women let alone try and date so its frustrating.
.but the reason I care is that...I'm not like and my friends that are guys are not so I don't worry about those guys.. so would you be angry if a girl stated I don't care about the girls who chop of d*cks?
as long she as an individual thought that is was wrong and didn't believe that guys deserved that...or didn't advocate for laws that would force certain criminals to undergo penectomies like a lot of women do. If she was against it...I would be fine with her.
How is that any different from a girl being fine with a guy who didn't believe women deserve rape, didn't advocate laws that allowed rape or lessen rape, or let rapists free to rape again?
its not
So does that mean since it's not different men shouldn't be in power because your logic is that women shouldn't be in power?
See how it not being different equates to there being misogyny AND misandry in our society? One is only worse than the other in YOUR opinion but in reality it's different but equal. Instead of ranting on here join a HUMAN right's group. Enroll in college or finish college. Take online classes. Help out in the community. How does this improve your life?
I don't understand this rant here. Being genitally mutilated is only worse than being raped because you're a man. The cause of being genitally mutilated & raped is different but the effect's the same. Illogical to say there's no valid reason for d*ck chopping like there is rape until the legal system reforms. Unreasonable to claim feminism praises d*ck chopping based on easy cases of it because tge same thing is done in rape cases. So it's the legal system What's your point?
im having a hard time finishing college fyi..im living on my own and trying just to keep bilsl paid etc...i save money but it might take some time of not going to school before I save enough to finish...but I don't know if I care about that anymore...whats the point...id only want a good job if I had a family...and I doubt ill meet any decent girls or girls period. so I think ill stay at the placvc eim at and climb the ladder...woman-free.
Move to a foreign country & marry a foreign girl if you want a family. Plenty of decent women in America they just don't like men like you who minimize rape, minimize rape's effect, are expected to support your opinions 100%, and still be hated because of their gender. By your logic since all women want to d*ck chop in your opinion then all men want to rape based on what men said in studies.
i don't think ALL do...there still some decent minded girls...some answered on this thread and other qusestions on the subject I've asked...some rape victims even said they wouldn't want that to happen to their rapist...i only hate women who hate/look down on/judge me...u gieve respect you get it...thats all.
What does being a rape victim add to your argument? If I bring in a rapist who got a d*ck chop saying it's okay to do so would that change your opinion? No So don't sully rape victims here since you already proved you think so low of rape that sadistic women should get raped but sadistic men can't be d*ck chopped but instead raped. Why not just get her clit off. Since a rapist gets raped when not let the girl who supports genital mutilation get mutilated?
cuz I don't want anyone to go through that...i already said that.
So what's wrong with me saying no rape for d*ck choppers but clit off and d*ck chop for rapists because in my opinion rape is worse and I don't want anyone to go through that? If you want your opinion/wants accepted you have to accept others opinions/wants. Give & get hypocrite
what? no I dont...i don't have to acept what your or any other woman believes and I don't acre what you want..to hell with your wishes...and I don't think I'm being a hypocrit but if I am I don't acre..ill go right ahead because I hate penectomty-loving women to the core...their opinions wishes, lives don't mean anything to me.
and I DO feel that if a guy is a rapist, he deserves much worse than the treatment in the movies. Because rape not only mutilates the female genitals but also her soul, sense of self, and her entire world view. Everyone knows rapists don't change. So frankly I feel they deserve hell and more.
Ur sayinf no rapist has even become a better person? I know of some cases where they apoligized to their victims and were truly sorry.
If I murdered someone, and then apologized to the victim's family, will that bring the victim back? True remorse is a start, but it's not a cure-all nor does it clear the slate. If someone violated you, then apologized, does that stop you from the nightmares in your psyche? I think not. Don't be naive.
and cutting their penis off solves that? and why the penis? he used other body parts to commit the rape...u just want to mutilate and humiliate him as man and hate masculinity...that is the issue.
uhhhh I said rapists deserve hell and more. I didn't say we should cut off their penis. I was talking about the vagina dentata mythology that the movie elaborated on. Follow the conversation moron. And by the way, a man who is actually masculine doesn't rape. And a penis doesn't make you masculine. It only makes you male. But now that you mention it, yea we SHOULD humiliate rapists in horrible way. *EVIL GRIN* Methinks you doth protest too much...what's with your allegiance to rapists? its a movie
I don't think anyone deserves hell..thats infinite punsihment for a finite crime...of course I'm an atheist. So you like vagina dentata but your not for penectomies? explain that one to me. By the way, only ONE guy in that movie was rapist...and its just a movie but ig girl enjoy it as entertainment why should I trust them? would you date a guy that liked to watch rape scenes?
There are murders who don't feel remorse for killing their victims. A lot of time that is their signature, putting the hands together laying on the chest. I don't think they deserve hell and back, because the ones that do this, do this because of something catastrophic in their childhood. I believe they need psychiatric help, and need to be put into an institution, instead of a federal prison. Same concept for rapist. Now I'm not applying this to all rapist and murderers, just the rare few.
oops... do* feel remorse.
I'm an atheist too. I don't see how being an atheist has anything to do with whether or not murderers and rapists who feel remorse are better/worse than those who don't. I don't get your point. If he's a rapist, he deserves hell. period. What's there to discuss? And seriously, let this question go already. No one is going to agree with you no matter how many times you rehash this stupid question about a movie. So in conclusion, blah blah blah rapists should die. the end.
again..ur an atheist yet you believe in hell? again..infinite punishment for finite crimes...if you think anyone deserves hell go become a christian...its simply no logical and if you think anyone deserves infinite punishment...ur worse than them...period.. and I don't expect you to agree with me..ur a woman...and from expereince your gender is uncaring and vengeful with a few exceptions as far I can see...but I'm not gonna join the suck up party about how great women are...there animals...like all of us.
two wrong don't make a right, its like taking a murderer that has killed countless people and killing his mother, it will only enrage them to a point of no return, I know if my junk was gone id be hell bent on the world seeking revenge on everyone I came into contact with.
Or are only your experiences important?
what else should I go on?
By that logic then only my experiences are important and not facts so your argument is invalid.
dude you totally misunderstood the mythology. The vagina dentata tales is all about male insecurities and fear of the other rather than female lust for violence. It is also a cautionary tale that warns men against acts of rape.
Even in the movie you mentioned, the female protagonist only realizes her power after a guy tries raping her. In the story, fear in the female and aggression by the male is what triggers the "chomping action" if you catch my drift.
So the movie actually further elaborates the traditional narrative of the vagina dentata mythology by adding an element of female empowerment and control over her sexuality (i.e. you can't rape her because you'll suffer for it if she doesn't consent).
There are numerous incarnation of vagina dentata tales. Why don't you try reading some books before you post such a silly, uninformed question.
But that secodn guy DIDNT rape her..neither did the stepbro...
Yea but by then she's already realized that for her, sex can be a weapon (which is extremely atypical for women). She's realized that like a wolf-in-sheep's clothing, she can take advantage of the wolf's tendency. One guy was using her for sex and she allowed it to happen. Since the guy didn't realize she's not just some prey for him, he got the vagina dentata treatment. The movie is popular not because of the obvious violence but because of the subtext.
And that's a GOODt hing?! Guy does a childish bet...deserves his manhood taken awaya nd to be a mutilated freak.and people wonder why I think women are so vile and untrustworthy. I wish I was gay sometimes so I wouldn't have to deal with you people.
I wish you were gay too LOL
yea funny...i hope to god you don't have children..ud be a horrible mother...to a son neway.
LOL I'd make an awesome mom (which can be attested by numerous kids and parents who I have helped as a babysister/tutor/teacher). If your mother knew you were going to grow up to be a woman hating, knuckle-dragging, low IQ and EQ ingrate like you, she'd have aborted you. Stop blaming your own fears and insecurities on women hating men. Why don't you grow a pair and become a man that doesn't make women go screaming for the hills?
*babysitter
boo hoo you giant baby. Stop watching movies that scare you and make you fear senseless things. If you want to play chicken little, why don't you go worry about the sky falling? *ROLLS EYES* you might as well go gay because no one with 2 X chromosomes will ever want you.
Women obviously do not think much of men based on the way you answered. If guys liked to watch movies where girls get raped or laughed about Female genital cutting on the news...what else could you conclude? and what the hell do you mean by be a man? that's nice, play in to gender steretypes...im jsut supposed to let women be as man haitng as they want and just take it? If I'm supposed to "man-up"maybe you should get back in gthe kitchen...ur makinf excuses for women to be evil.
I have the highest regard for MEN. I love MEN. It's YOU I don't like. I have a very strong dislike for whiny, emo, man-childs who are wussy and do not act like real men. You embarrass real men when you call yourself a man. Having the right "parts" makes you male, but it doesn't make you a real man. Real men don't sit around and obsess about castration for no reason. You either have an anxiety disorder or you are what I think you are (chicken little).
Flesh-eating bacterial infection happens more often than female-on-male forcible castrations. Why don't you worry about something actually worth worrying? You're much more likely to get hit by a car, die from heart disease, die from cancer, drop dead for no reason, than you are to get castrated by a female (unless you've done something you're not telling us)
i probably do have a disorder..ive been diagnosed with ocd...etc. and maybe I'm not a real man..idc..but neway...i would rather die than loose my penis...so none of those othet thigns cocnern me...my point is that woman find pleasure in the idea...even if they never do it...i have no other recourse but to hate women for that...
I'm no expert but I'm fairly certain you have some kind of psychiatric disorder. NORMAL people don't obsess over one ridiculous, far-fetched issue and just can't let go. You need to go find yourself professional help before you end up on the news. I don't care that you love your penis more than your life. Nobody gives a Fuck. Nor do you know if "women" get pleasure from the idea of male castration because it's not like we share one brain. It's time to face the music: YOU R INSANE. get help!
"end up on the news?" whatever...i live a normla life...I got to school, have a job, etc etc...im nice to everyone I meet...women included...i just make sure they are aquaintances and not friends...keeping them at arms length...if you met me in person ud never suspect I think any of these thoughts...but that's what's deep down...and why I don't trust women for anything and probably never will...unless they can hold a decent humanistic postion on this issue.
is does bother me that you think that all women are vile and disgusting and man haters simply because of a movie, and how your friends reacted to it. they don't speak for all women. I personally would not find male mutilation funny, nor would I tease my guy friend about it, because that's just cruel. however, your friends reactions are not how every single woman would react to that movie.
why don't you read these comments and see just how many do.
If you can generalize based on movie reactions do you get upset if a woman generalizes and say all men are rapists based on studies where the majority (not a few) men themselves say it's okay to rape, studies where they have raped but don't see themselves as rapists, and studies where they would rape if they could get away with it?
first off because no guy I know thinks rape is okay..btw can you show me that study? I searched for it and never found it. btw...I don't think I generalize...YOU are defending the idea. if you didn'ti would leave you alone.
Defending what idea? So because no guy you know would rape negates my defense? Then would the fact no girl I know negate my defense? Arguments aren't about YOUR opinions but facts. You can easily find the studies. Not finding them means you don't want to see the truth. I've already read the book you suggested before you even suggested it. I know about what a man has to deal with. Have you ever looked up rape stats? Rape studies? Seems you're only concerned with what benefits you
1) just send me a link, because I honestkly couldn't find them...other than a BBC repirt..btw...it said that 1/3 of girls think rape can be jsutiifed in cricumstances...guess the ladies aren't too compassioante either... But newayz...no...decent women should not have to endure rape..they don't deserve it (like I said above tho, I don't feel bad for sadistic women if it happens to them)...and no guy should have his penis forcibly removed either.
No women aren't. I know rape studies 1/3 is not the standard of how many women think rape is okay based on the circumstance (if they had sex previous, how much the date cost, if they are married, etc) any more it's increased.
So if only decent women don't deserve rape why should all men be excused from being d*ck chopped and not only decent men. Why are the women who enjoy d*ck chopping sadistic but not men who enjoy raping? By your logic only sadistic men (rapists) deserve to be d*ck chopped since only sadistic women (d*ck chopper) deserved to be raped. Funny how you can think its cool for a woman to be raped if she's sadistic but no man should be d*ck chopped.
no...rapist deserves to be raped himself...but I don't advocate the legal system doing that...years in prison will have to do...women who do penectomies...prison as well but id sya the deserv eur gneitlas to be permanently removed...but again I wouldn't advocate the law do that.
Good then instead of wishing raped wish for them to be genital mutilated. You don't like women wishing rapists to be genital mutilated. Why do you think it's okay for you to do the reverse?
cuz I'm not doing the reverse...i say no one deserve genital mutilation ever..male or female...like I was saying tho...women don't have the same genital sitaution so its impossbile for them to comprehend...the onyl way to enable a female sexually would, be to fill her vagina in or something...the clitoris and what not are jus tkind add ons that girls could do without. guys cnat do without a penis.
why would you even ask this question? I don't think any woman in their right mind would even think about chopping off a man's penis, even if a man has done something that really makes them feel angry.I can garantee you know woman would ever actually do that. And if a woman did, that's just awful and sick.
It actually DOES happen...Lroena bobbit is the famosu case..but especially in china..and asian coutnries it happens quite a bit..but even in america...the other day I saw some newsreport about a woman who went to do this with some garden clippers...but the guy managed to fight her off...I'm not too concerned it would happen...but I can see how some guys might get upset when girls make light of the few times it does...I think that's why he asked this.
my point is don't even worry about it. you should be worrying about more important things in life. not whether or not someone will chop off your penis. not like it happens frequent, its very rare that only physco women would think about doing. ...
Haven't seen a study were a large number of women said they'd chop if they could. petty issues chopping = lust raping
rape is not jsut about lust..its about control
Rape can be about lust, pain, humiliation, domination, submission, or power. And d*ck chopping same thing. d*ck chopping for petty reasons is about power. It shows that a woman has control.
Nice that you glossed over Haven't seen a study were a large number of women said they'd chop if they could.
Some females have honestly always felt weak in comparison with men, others not. But here's the thing; someone of each gneder started beating on each other and a nice sexist was started. Starting with the good old man opening the door for a young lady and getting cursed at, kicked in the knee and guys forcing girls to have sex [rape]. so in answer to this whole topic the answer is simple and needs no further explaining because it will go on for generations to come:
Males and Females are both right, and both wrong.
Thank you for not making me want to fall asleep