Why I Am Not Against Abortion in Certain Situations

[Anonymous]

I have a friend. She started her sexual life at 15 and had 20 partners since then. Now she is 21 and just gave birth to the baby she has with a 36 years old violent alcoholic who spends her money and her familys money. She has a condition, very similar to Borderline-this is why I didn't even believe her when she said she is pregnant.

She is a compulsive liar and she lied about so many things. So, when I told her months ago to get an abortion she started crying histerically that I am heartless and her baby will be the happiest in the world. So, let me present you her situation. She was in her last year at university. Never had money for anything. Her mother doesn't care about her, her father even less, her grandparents are ill and old and can afford very little stuff. She didn't care. She spent everything she had on pregnancy and parenting books, even though I told her: you should start searching for an apartment so your baby will have a roof over head when it comes tot he world-she lived in the campus. But no, she was so sure everyone will help her.

Because she had almost zero money and even the money she had, were spent on stupid stuff like toys (she bought toys and clothes even before she was 2 months pregnant!!) she couldnt afford going to the doctor. The baby was born, she lives in the campus with him, in the same room with other 4 students who are so annoyed with the baby crying all day. The father of the child doesn't give a damn, her family doesn't give a damn and she doesn't have any money and next week the child is going to an orphanage.

Every time, anyone told her about abortion she started histerically crying telling us we are hurting the unborn baby because we cause her distress. This is how the story ends. Sad.

[SC4321]

Sounds like your friend just made some poor decisions. Why should the baby be killed due to the mother's stupidity of having unprotected sex with someone who clearly doesn't care too much about her? She knew the risk of getting pregnant, there is no excuse for abortion in this situation, or any situation really. There are other options like adoption or foster homes, both of which are better than killing an innocent child.

[curiousnorway]

Agree.

[Anonymous]

So, she should abort every single time she gets pregnant? How about using birth control or closing her legs instead?

[curiousnorway]

Good point!

[NatashaJ]

Well clearly this woman is not going to listen and I bet any money if she had like 10 kids where she can't support you guys been talking shit about it too. Women can't win people will talk shit if they found out she had a abortion or decide to keep all the babies she has. Maybe just maybe people should mind their own business and let other people live their lives.

[Livinglogical]

I don't believe god would waste a soul on a body that he knew wasn't going to be born anyway. So i think some religious people make a mountain outa a mole hill about abortion.
And if I wasn't religious then I wouldn't believe in the soul so it would just be a matter of taste, in which case, I have no problem with people destroying it before its human shaped. Some people just create drama for the sake of it.

[BrianMerritt]

Your rationale is not rational at all.

[Livinglogical]

@BrianMerritt why not? God is supposed to be all knowing right? So he already knows if a child will be born or not. So why would he bother putting a soul into an unformed glob of cells that is never going to be born? Would be a waste of time.

[Livinglogical]

I dunno why some people assume god has no sense.

[BrianMerritt]

You are a glob of cells. So am I. Get real. And there is no such thing as a waste of time to G-d. According to religious thought, G-d does not exist in time the way we do. Imagine a comic strip. The characters in one panel do not know what is going to happen in the next panel, but we do because we see all the panels at once, where as the character in the panel have no idea what their future holds. That is often how G-d is describes as seeing us. Rather than see one edge of a gem at a time, He can see the entire prism. Like that Alien in MIBIII who can see all timelines at once. Not exactly, but sort of. And we also have free will, G-d does not control us, according to religious teachings. If we choose to do good/evil, He will not stop us from either. I don't think that the value of human life is a mole-hill issue. If you prefer to live in a country where a husband can literally buy you for $200, feel free.

[Livinglogical]

@BrianMerritt ooh someones cranky lol. I actually tend towards the belief that he gives us a heads up when the baby is being formed and we choose when we enter the body, or indeed if we want to. And let's face it, no way we are jumping in there when it doesn't even have its brain yet. So u agree that he doesn't necessarily control us. But im arguing that he has the sense to let us know what's gonna be what before we head down there.

[Livinglogical]

*I agree

[BrianMerritt]

I'm not cranky. I answered your question about G-d's role in human life. There is a difference between all-knowing and all-controlling. And to think of G-d is like a comic strip character trying to think of it's writer. Incomprehensible. I'm not insulting you, you are a glob of cells, with your brain being nothing more than a collection of chemical signals. Everything people apply to an unborn baby to try and label it as not-human can also apply to full grown adults. I've never heard a good argument for your position.

[curiousnorway]

I think people should learn responsibility instead. If you don't want to get pregnant, you should either use contraception, not penetrating or just close your legs! Most people have a choice and it's to choose if they wants to have sexual intercourse or not. If you've unprotected sex and gets pregnant, but you knew you couldn't take care of the child, then you're not taking responsibility. In such cases you should at least adopt the child away instead of kill it off.

The woman has done a mistake and it seems like she is starting to realize it. But you however do support people not giving other people a chance in life and that some people should have the authority to choose who has and hasn't right to live. In most circumstances there's no excuse. The woman's health wasn't in danger and she could safely give birth to the child. Just because you believe a life would go wrong don't mean it would. It's not the human's job to choose who shouldn't be allowed to live.

I think murdering and killing people is wrong, but I do also think encouraging people to do so is as much wrong.

[grimtigress]

most opinions on abortion that are negative are understandably biased, especially by a scared and emotional women who is pregnant that can't even take care of herself, someone religious, someone who hasn't been through it at all and just assumes everyone who does get pregnant isn't responsible about it because they're self righteous fucks who don't know about the reality that contraceptives don't always work or that the woman may have medical/mental issues. if it's honestly killing children, then by that argument's logic it's no different than a guy masturbating or pulling out because they're all just the possibility of a life and that's all pregnancy is up to a certain point. i look at the science of it and consider the woman's situation that the baby would be brought into and also the fact that there's plenty kids already waiting to be adopted who've been given away or lost their family who will have to go through the foster system. "death is not disputed, and is considered the time when electroencephalography (eeg) activity ceases. eeg measures brain activity and must demonstrate regular wave patterns to be considered valid. therefore, by this rule the onset of life would be the time when fetal brain activity begins to exhibit regular wave patterns, which occurs fairly consistently around week 25". that shit is from a website that looks at it with facts, and that's the most objective way to look at it and so also the most rationale. your friend obviously wasn't ready, and that baby is going to face difficulties along with herself because neither of them were prepared. i feel sorry for the both of them, but hope shit somehow works out for them both because no child should go through such struggles till they themselves have matured, but right now it needs to be nurtured

[ScarletAngelic]

I think abortion should remain legal for those who get pregnant do to assault. That was not their choice.

[ScarletAngelic]

due*

[BrianMerritt]

But it wasn't the unborn kid's choice either. If you were raped and didn't get pregnant, you don't get to shoot a random person. I didn't get to choose my siblings or my parents, but I don't get to shoot them. Rape is terrible, but the unborn human had no hand in that crime. Rape babies are still babies.

[Goochbreaker]

give it up for adoption, don't excuse ending a life because you couldn't figure out how to keep it in your pants

[Browneye57]

Sure. Irresponsibility is a great excuse to kill a fetus. Just outstanding!

[BrianMerritt]

This is a rant, not a question.
Sex is a choice, choices are actions, actions have consequences.
I can't believe how irresponsible kids are these days...
The fact that you are begging her to have an abortion sickens me.
You provided zero reasons in your story for why an abortion should be done. You simply ranted.
This girl might be cray-cray, but at least she is making the correct choice.
If you can't afford your kid, give it up for adoption so that s/he will have that roof over her/his head.
If you think that a parent is not fit to raise a child, tell someone who CAN help. You wouldn't kill your younger sibling if your parents were insane, would you?
None of the excuses you are providing would apply to a 1-day old baby, so they don't apply to an unborn baby.
You're incorrect and not being logical here.

[readywriter]

Separation with parents didn't just happen. Something has been brewing for a while. She has separated herself. Why would any women choose to have unprotected sex with a violent person, much less a violent drunk. It should be no surprise that he doesn't care. There must be a government clinic somewhere nearby that will provide medical care. This child didn't happen in a vacuum. But the baby did nothing, nor did they as to even be born. Why should I destroy a life because I am a slut. Why should that child be killed? Parents owe everything to their children and it doesn't start when we come out the womb. It starts with good care as it grows. I too have some conditions that I accept abortion. But it is when the mothers life is truly in danger.

[RationalMale]

Instead of paying to have the child killed, why can't women act like responsible adults and arrange an adoption? There's adoption agencies and family/adoption attorneys. Not only do you act like a responsible adult by not having your own child killed, but the child can go on to have a life, and the agency/attorney can make sure you're covered financially while pregnant.

[AD240pCharlie]

I'm not against abortion as long as there's a valid reason, but I think it's more important to not keep encourage people to go out and have so much casual sex, which certain group are trying to encourage people to do. A woman shouldn't just be able to decide that she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her irresponsible sex life. She made the choice to have unprotected sex, so she has to accept the consequences of her choice. You can't have individual freedom or individual responsibility. However, if the pregnancy causes severe health risks to the woman or if she was raped, then I think abortion should be legal. Otherwise, adoption should be the only choice they have.

[gbmlevin]

Bringing a human being into the world is a very holy and one thing that only a woman can make the choice to do.

Giving a child an upbringing and solid chance at life requires a family.

That is why no one should have sex until they are comfortable with their mate.

[ScarletAngelic]

If she is raped though, she should have every right to abort.

[gbmlevin]

@ScarletAngelic it is still a human birth, a gift from God. I want to agree with you because I hate things that are unfair, but from what I have learned is God always turns something bad into something good.

[ScarletAngelic]

Sorry, I'm agnostic.

[gbmlevin]

@ScarletAngelic You have to make up your own mind, but I do not know how anyone can not believe in God when you look at all creation around you and think it all means nothing.

[ScarletAngelic]

I don't think it means nothing, but it's hard to believe that it was created by something, that also couldn't have been something without being created. Maybe things can come out of nothing. Who knows. Maybe future science will have the answers.

[gbmlevin]

@ScarletAngelic I do believe the years of life and the future will teach you what you need to know.

[BrianMerritt]

@ScarletAngelic If you got raped and didn't get pregnant, would you shoot a random person who "reminded you of the horrible experience?" Rape is horrible, but the unborn baby did no harm. Rape babies are still babies.

[ScarletAngelic]

@BrianMerritt Uh, the random person has nothing to do with the rape. Unborn babies are like parasites to the body.

[ScarletAngelic]

@BrianMerritt Those animals you killed nd ate did no harm either -_-

[BrianMerritt]

@ScarletAngelic We both know those arguments are weaker than the drinks I order.

[CT_CD]

So many women are ok with killing their children. How do they live with themselves?

[Anonymous]

Such a heartbreaking story... I know a lot of people say pro-life and I get their reasoning, but if a child ends up being abused or in an orphanage after he/she is born, I think it's better to have an abortion. Nobody deserves to feel that kind of pain, and if you can't be responsible for the child then it's better to get an abortion because you can't undo that child's life once he/she is born. A lifetime decision that lasts forever can't be decided by some unrealistic theories and values. Depending on the situations (like this one), abortions are necessary.

[Anonymous]

Many poor people are poor simply because they make poor decisions.

[Anonymous]

I dont know how I feel about abortion, i mean on the one hand its killing babies which is cool, on the other its giving a woman a choice, which I dislike

[Anonymous]

Well, you have a nephew/niece now. So one day when they come looking for their real mother and find you, you can tell them that you didn't want them to exist. See how they feel. Abortion is wrong period. It's not the baby's fault she had sex, nor is it any persons right to not suffer the consequences of bad choices, let alone let the baby suffer for a persons choice. Adoption is better. She should've or at least you could've helped your cousin with adopting the child out. Since your cousin isn't in her right mind.

[myTake Owner]

What niece? The girl is a friend, not a family member. I already blocked her on everything. I won't give details but ths girl was a nightmare to me and my family. She was obsessed and possesive

[Opinion Owner]

I am really sorry that you went through that. I probably wouldn't have abandoned that girl but if she was really toxic then I understand

[Anonymous]

I think your "friend" should see a therapist... Wtf she was thinking of having baby in those situations? can't imagine those poor baby :(
If she attends uni then talk with her dean faculty or something, there would be a counseling agent there for troubled students.

[Anonymous]

jheeze... talking about bad decisions...

Take notes ladies, this is where your "casual sex", "hoe phase" or whatever freedom bullshit you call it, gets you.

Lol so abortion should help everything? bet you her ass is going back the exact same way right after if she got it. This is sad.

[Poppykate]

Hopefully, this experience will teach her a thing or two. How could it not?

[Anonymous]

Abortion is necessary in certain situations but I'm not sure if your opinion is valid here. Ultimately it's up to the carrier if they want to bring a child into this world or not. I wouldn't judge. I would moreso be concerned with the irresponsible loser that impregnated her at 20 when he was 16 years older. As we know abortions were advocated for women who lost their power when some douche bag decided to finish without their consent and left the woman to deal with all the problems on her own. I'm not sure if this happened to your friend but if it did I feel bad. If that's the case I would've killed his sperm by taking a plan B. I also believe that it is hard to determine how an unborn persons outcome of life would be. The kid can grow up to be anything, no one knows. So I understand why she kept it, even though she's struggling. Everyone should have a chance at life. What I'm pissed is, Why didn't anyone tell her to stop dealing with a loser. She also doesn't sound like the sharpest tool around.

[Anonymous]

Abortion as a means of birth control is about the saddest thing I can think of. A mother killing her own child as a matter of convenience is unforgivable.

[myTake Owner]

great. And now this child will go to the orphanage and maybe get molested and abused or even killed

[Opinion Owner]

You're right... it's better to just kill him / her right up front without ever having the chance to experience life at all. Seriously, my mother almost aborted my older sister, but she decided not to... and she is soooo thankful she kept her instead and says she can't imagine her life without her. And needless to say, my sister is glad she didn't get killed. Everyone has a right to life.

[Sabretooth]

ironically, those ''pro-choice'' quackadoodles would disagree... damn hypocrites!