Every time I bring up this issue someone says:
"There is no male pill because men won't buy or use it."
The reason men aren't buying the male pill is because there isn't one. Period.
There isn't one because big pharmaceutic companies have considered it unprofitable, not withstanding some 'feminist' resistance to the notion.
A Brazilian physician, Dr. Coutinho, explained this very well:
Males have as much need and desire to have power over their reproduction as women.
Don't we all males agree on that?
Paternity fraud, also known as child identity fraud is a type of fraud that occurs when, in a non-paternity event, a mother names a man to be the biological father of a child, when she knows or suspects that he is not the biological father.
Idris Elba, who after DNA testing learned he was not the father of his son. Elba describes the experience;
“You know, the truth is—like, even admitting it, I’ll probably get laughed at for the rest of my life. But it is just tragic, and it happened.”
Research indicated that one in 50 British fathers is raising a child which he thinks is his own but actually is the biological child of another man, and whose birth reflects the high incidence of female infidelity, between 5 and 27% in women under 30.
In the UK, paternity fraud, like adultery, is not a criminal offence!!! Imagine that.
In USA, in studies that solely looked at couples who obtained paternity testing because paternity was being disputed, there are higher levels; an incidence 33%. Meaning there could be more than 50% of cases in which paternity was never questioned and fathers aren't raising their own children.
Punishment for these women? A slap in the wrist, while men are bound to pay child support and be responsible for children that belong to another man. And this is why is important for men to have control over their reproduction in a safe manner.
I can name many cases of men paying the consequences of women lying to them into raising another man's child. In Australia, Canada, Switzerland, UK of course / (2), South Korea, etc.
The real reason feminists uproar and opposition to a male birth control pill is clearly evident as Dr. Coutinho points out - MEN WILL FINALLY HAVE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS - MEN WILL BE ABLE TO CHOOSE PARENTHOOD.
Once the male pill is available and starts to become widely used women will no longer control the world and feminism will be flushed away like yesterdays wad of shitbegone toilet paper, and that absolutely scares the shit out of the man haters.
No children mean no pawns in the game of ruling over and destroying men's lives, for these types of women.
It means:
- No paternity suits.
- No child support.
- No loosing his kids.
- No supervised visitation.
- No being tricked and trapped into fatherhood.
- No more turning his kids against him.
- No more baby boys being born to be treated wrongly.
I'm sure many men would find that enormously appealing. Feminists would no longer have the male gender in a strangle hold. When the birth rates plummet and there are not enough up and coming young men to be the world's beasts of burden feminism will truly disappear like a fart in a tornado, and that is what feminists find so terrifying about the male pill.
Personally I can hardly wait.
What Girls & Guys Said
20 32You had me until the end.
My boyfriend wants a male bc pill because neither of us want to pass on our genes (ADHD, 20/200 vision, etc.) and us both being on bc would reduce that risk
so you are one of those people who actually believe that ADHD is some defective gene? do you also take meds for it? lol
@applesandoranges22 I have ADHD and I am very successful. I suspect that people with ADHD have higher intelligence and capabilities on average. The trick is to learn the control it with diet, exercise, meds, earplugs, and coming up with ways to minimize the distraction. Look at what Stephen hawking has accomplished with his disability. Everyone is flawed
@SuccessfulHornDog you dont know how excited I am to meet a like minded person! i have ADD, and I do agree that its kind of hard to be in tune with the normal pace but that does not somehow mean we are stupid or have some ''disorder'' its sad that there are people out there that feel like adhd is a reason not to have kids.
@applesandoranges22 I have rather severe ADHD, to that point where it affects my ability to function normally and maintain grades. I also don't like the idea of pushing a watermelon-sized human out my vagina
lol, well they have shots now that you can't feel the pain of pregnancy. also failing school does not make you a failure either, some of the smartest people flunked all throughout school. One person with ADD who did this was einstien. School is not for everybody and just because you can't function in it doesn't mean you have bad genes, it just means you haven't found what you are best at yet. then again you are 16, you have a lot to experience and although i am 19 let me tell you that those 3 years from 16-19 made me grow a lot and I have found purpose. I also failed all throughout highschool, and yet I am still making more money than a lot of graduates. everyone has their own path
@applesandoranges22 I've actually held all A's before this year, because I have high enough intelligence that minimal work was required, so i was ok, but this year I'm drowning.
@applesandoranges22 I also got the "hard time self-regulating" perk as well, which I could do without. I've legit thrown tantrums in recent years because I get frustruated rather quickly and don't know how to calm myself down
I just want you to know that ADD/ADHD is not a death sentence. I have risen above all of my co-workers through the methods that i mentioned and hard work. I want to inspire everyone/anyone to do their personal best and keep trying. Most people give up and stop improving. All you need to do is persevere and eventually you start passing them by
@SuccessfulHornDog I hope so. I really want to graduate high school and go to a really good college (I'd like to become an astrophysicist) but I need good grades and I'm in track to get my lowest grade ever this year (which is an A-/B+ but that's REALLY bad for me because the teacher's grading curve is easier and I've never gotten a B+ before)
You should talk to @IamRedThunder about that
My Child & Adolescent Development professor would tell you that ADHD is largely caused by environmental exposure to a child at very early stages of development (like newborn up till toddler). Genes may play some part, but it's more nurture than nature.
@KyMattEm see, no one knows exactly what causes it. He's a bad professor if he claimed he knows what causes it.
@KyMattEm regardless of the cause I truly believe that people with ADHD have above average intelligence but until they treat their symptoms with multiple approaches they will continue to underachieve
My professor is a woman, but I should retract my statement. I was thinking of a different disorder.
add/adhd can develop at any point in your life but his professor has a point. 1-3 is the age where your development is at a crucial point, Im not claiming its the way you were raised but sometimes that can play a part, as there are even people later on in life who get this ''disorder'' In my opinion, I think it helps me as I am a very fast paced person. I think it all depends on how well you can work with it like fullhorndog says. I am still not there 100% but I can see how much of an advantage I have over normal people in certain settings.
also, you can get ANY mental illness from environment. stress and the way you act plays a big role in your psychological health
Yesss!
You name forced paternity as a reason - but you then ignore the reasons for what lead to it. Aka (potential) fathers having literally no rights over their children. If it would just made legal for everyone to get a DNA test with their possible child and such then this issue would be reduced a ton.
Anyone who would trust big pharma to produce a male contraceptive that was safe and did not cause permanent damage to the male reproductive system would be a naive fool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5TnDtGKYw&t=27sBig pharma routinely produces products that kill and disable and they do not give a damn.
That was why the so-called Pfizer Court was established in the USA. It made the drug companies immune to damages suites by parents of children who had been damaged (or killed) by vaccines.
HPV vaccines have killed and/or destroyed the nervous systems, brains and reproductive systems of thousands of young females.
Internet searches, especially on YouTube, will find a wealth of material about the harm done by vaccines. The vision of autistic children and once healthy young women turned into drooling vegetables, or spastics, is heartbreaking.
The contraceptive pill is a known killer, mainly in the form of blood clots. These products are not withdrawn once evidence of the harm done comes to light.
Vaccines are loaded up with mercury, formaldehyde, aspartame, simian virus 40 (a potent carcinogen) and a shopping list of other things that cause cancer or damage the brain and nervous system.
Bayer knowingly shipped blood products that contained HIV. Profit was more important than Bayer murdering thousands of sick people by giving them AIDS.
See:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997
www.smh.com.au/.../1053585647648.html
So, I say that only a naive fool would trust big pharma to produce a male contraceptive that was safe.
One needs only to look at the history of big pharma's conduct and products to predict its future behaviour.
Here are some of the victims of Gardasil:
If guys use condoms, women have the same effect. And condoms protect from STDs, BC pills don't.
Why are condoms better than BC? Look at the findings:
*- at least one in 4 teenage American girls has a sexually transmitted disease:
www.nbcnews.com/.../#.WKti9vL-qa5
*-Half of urban teen girls acquire STIs within two years of first sexual activity:
www.sciencedaily.com/.../091214121436.htm
Half of American men has an STD!: www.upi.com/.../
THAT IS the reason why BC pills (for men or women) and IUDs are ONLY acceptable for monogamous couples. Paternity fraud is NOT a problem in monogamous relationships. (Or they aren't monogamous.
But that guy is Brazilian. How strong is marital fidelity in Brazil?
I understand that feminists don't want to risk STDs because the guy drops condoms in favor of the male BC. Just look at the stats I linked to.
@the_bright_one The data I know concerning paternity fraud are : *-IF there's already a 'reason' to question paternity: ca 30% *-IF there's no reason to doubt paternity: ca 3% That's VERY far from your claim: "Meaning there could be more than 50% of cases in which paternity was never questioned and fathers aren't raising their own children."
Men just don't press to get the male pill because the ones that have been tested until now have a lot of side effects.
I do not support the pills.
Having read about effect of the current male contraception pill and knowing how the female version has some serious side effects I'm just going to say no thanks.
Exactly. The first pill packet I took had me riddled with intense nausea, migraines and I had VERY scary and depressing thoughts on it (like suicide) and I had a lot of emotional breakdowns. I switched to a different brand and it was MUCH better. Also, there was a male birth control pill, it was actually causing side effects close to what a woman gets on her period, except for the bleeding. It was taken off the market I think.
@helloitsmethere the male pill I heard had a lot of suicides
@helloitsmethere the male pill was taken off because men were getting infertile.
@Kirah I heard that too but also the suicides I'd look up a link but I don't want too suffice there were a lot of side effects like lower sex drive and impotence.
The pill doesn't exist because the science isn't here yet.
It's all about power and control. IF we were a PARTARCHY we would have the pill because it would give the power of conception to men and not women. It just pokes a huge whole in the feminist BS.
I have a MyTake up on just this topic asking what effect a male birth control pill would have on dating and sexual relationships. They have a 100% effective birth control with no side effects for men. It's called vasalgel.
The male (AND female) pill is called "NO"!!!
Thank you brother.
Agreed. I'd rather not leave that choice in the hands of a woman concerning whether or not I become a father. I choose, nobody else.
what's wrong with deciding together?
@Carefuloutthere I don't want to be a father. As it stands, there are a ton of ways for a woman to force that decision on me even if I say no. So that only leaves the one option: don't get a woman pregnant in the first place.
In other words: TRUST NO ONE! This is an invaluable life hack rule to live by.
The moment a pill like that passes the danger tests, im on it. Probably for the rest of my life!
I would use this Ina second. I have had a few scares from girl friends telling me they were pregnant after we broke up so that they could get back in my life. The thought that some women deceive their partners and intentionally get pregnant is abhorrent to me. Clearly any woman that would do this is not fit to be a mother. Its time for men to remove the possibility of this disgusting practice
nah im good
Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Isn't that a conditional commandment, then? Once you've replenished and subdued, then stop being fruitful and multiplying? Is there an Ancient Hebrew Scholar in the house?
@Bananaman177 Genesis 3 and the Lord said unto the serpent And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your SEED and her SEED; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel GOD just told satan hey look her kid is gonna crush his head so lets think of all the ways he can stop that from happening WARS DISEASE LGBT ABORTION BIRTH CONTROL I WANT 20 KIDS :) LOL
@Bananaman177 What the person said above is correct.
You can have 20 kids, I behind you.
@Robin48 the earth isn't filled yet we need to fill it and pop babies out like gumballs lol the ladies might have another say in that lol
The rate women are killing babies in abortion, we will have no kids on planet Earth.
@Robin48
Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4
flatearthscienceandbible.files.wordpress.com/.../img_0039-1.jpeg
I not wasting my time with your post. Have a nice day. I know the Bible.
With an utterly superfluous 240,000 people being added to the worlds population every day I think we need all the contraception we can get.
But then I'm a nutter who thinks you should have a means test before having a child.
I need to move from this shithole of a country.
Your own personal brexit?
It is called use a condom.
Agreed.
I don`t trust the pharma industry there are way too many FDA approvals getting through under the table look at the Tylenol fiasco. (https://www. huffingtonpost. com/carole-bartolotto/fda-problems_b_3904329. html)
For those thinking of taking this I would suggest waiting for long term results in real life not manipulated lab ones.
Female pill POP would have to do for couples for now.
Feminists want the power to decide? Tell them that it takes a female AND a male to reproduce. I feel sorry for the scientist.
You guys aren't the ones stuck with a baby for 18 years. You technically could walk away. And even if you say "child support", MANY dudes avoid paying a cent.
@rushthesand No. Child support isn't an "option". What is wrong with a male contraceptive pill?
I have nothing against it. I'm just saying don't blame women for being so cautious about this as we have more to lose.
@rushthesand Who is blaming women? I am blaming the feminists as they are against the contraceptive pill.
I am worried about how ignorant you are of feminists. Feminists are the ones who are strong proponents of the male contraceptive pill: www.independent.co.uk/.../...-halted-a7384601.html
www.bustle.com/.../152656-what-vasalgel-means-for-feminism
@rushthesand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JymN5yu-K_o
Did you watch that video? He clearly said "American feminists" were against the pill and the pill was rejected without a proper reason.
Whenever I try to look up "Feminists against the pill", it's all anti-feminists saying that about us. While the feminists I read about are all for it.
media.giphy.com/media/7GcdjWkek7Apq/giphy.gif
@rushthesand
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...ming-any-time-soon.html
Point number five on that website- "many feminists don't like the idea".
Hmm maybe you're right. I guess I spend way too much time on reddit where there are more moderate feminists like me, and they seem to be all for the idea. Maybe not all feminists agree lol
@rushthesand I am glad you are a moderate feminist. I do not entirely blame women for this problem but these modern/radical feminists always want benefits. Thank you for agreeing with me.
Hey there are extremists in any group. The amount of misogyny i am encountering on this site from bitter men is astounding. Unfortunately, these crazies are the loudest, so I think it impacts our perception of the "other side". You might find that you agree with moderate feminists more than you think. I don't disagree with MRAs all too much :)
@rushthesand , Men cannot walk away on Child Support. They go to JAIL. Once in Jail, the Child Support arrearage keeps accumilating. This begins a vicious cycle. Cannot make money while in Jail. Come back to Court. Still cannot pay because they have a Criminal Record and cannot find a Job. Goes to Jail again and again.
Men have NO REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. Read the Article below for more.
www.nytimes.com/.../...o-jail-lose-job-repeat.html
@MagiAlphaOne That's true, but that doesn't mean every single guy is actually paying child support to his baby mama. Many are able to avoid it like crazy, and that is very harmful to the children. Also there are guys who are too broke to even give her anything, and I believe courts take that into consideration. so she gets screwed over.
@rushthesand , by the way 1 in 5 Men in Jail (not prison) are in Jail for their inability to pay Child Support.
@MagiAlphaOne That could be true, but that's probably more so in areas with low poverty where people get thrown in jail pretty easily lol. Anyways, what do you propose? Let's say a woman gets pregnant and she lives in a state where abortions are impossible to get. Should a guy be able to get out of it easily?
@rushthesand Abortion is cruel. It is only okay when the girl has been raped or with the consent of her partner. If she enjoyed sex with her boyfriend and later wants to get abortion without his consent then it is not fair. If a guy rapes a woman and she gives birth, he HAS to pay child support. Entirely his fault.
Ah MRA anti-abortionist. why am I not surprised? So again, lets say Roe V Wade gets overturned... woman gets pregnant despite being on birth control (it can happen). Woman is stuck with the baby for 18 years. What rights should the man get?
@rushthesand He should pay for the child. Over. Ah I'm not completely MRA. I support women's rights up to some extent.
@rushthesand , Planned Parenthood is available in all 50 States.
https://youtu.be/ekgiScr364Y
Here is the link to find your nearest Planned Parenthood Center
www.plannedparenthood.org/.../planned-parenthood-health-centers-by-state
@MagiAlphaOne If I get pregnant, what can PP do for me other than an abortion? What rights should men have? You are not answering my question. @Imhotep99 I wasn't aiming that at you haha. I was aiming that at this other crazy who seems to think men should be able to get out of child support yet women should not be allowed to get abortions. Does not make sense.
@Imhotep99 An exception for rape isn't really an exception for rape. Unless you live in a magically place where rape convictions happen in less than 20 weeks.
@rushthesand , Janet Bloomfield (Judgy Bitch) says it best...
So what is the solution? What would reproductive rights look like for men? Well, rather similar to what they look like for women. When an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy occurs, the woman, and only the woman will decide if her body will host that pregnancy to term. But even after the child is born, she may opt out of parenting that child by surrendering it for adoption. If men had the same rights, they too would be able to legally surrender their rights and allow the mother or any other individual to assume legal responsibility for the child.
thoughtcatalog.com/.../
@MagiAlphaOne Our foster care and adoption system is terrible. Many kids do not get adopted in the first place, go from foster home to foster home, and don't always end up in a good place (also the possibility of abuse). Why can't we focus on fixing this system first before worrying about so-called reproductive "rights" for men? This is more than about the parents- this is a child coming into the world, a child who never asked to be here. It's about what's best for them more than anything else.
@rushthesand , Yes, it does need to be fixed. How about we fix the more fundamental problem... STABLE FAMILIES. How about we focus on creating stable families with FATHERS AND MOTHERS for those Foster Children? 70% of Women initiate Divorces. Men are getting destroyed in Divorce Courts. I know plenty of them. There in my Church! Marriage rates are at an all time low in the United States. So, at what point do we address Men's issues, including reproductive rights?
@MagiAlphaOne I agree that the courts are highly against men. I think we need to get over the toxic ideas that a man can't raise the children and the woman can't be the one to give alimony (but only if she earns more than him). Otherwise, I don't think we should force people to stay married if they don't want to be. With that said, the laws should be supportive to the CHILD no matter what even if it is at the expense of the parents. If the mom can't abort the kid and she thinks the foster care system is too shitty for her child, she is providing a valid excuse for raising the kid. And I'm sorry, but the dad can't opt out of child support WITH EXCEPTIONS. We need to look at both parents then and see whether the dad has the ABILITY to pay in the first place. If he doesn't and the mom is relatively well to do, then no he should be able to opt out of child support. If he is able to pay but only a certain amount, then that's the limit on CS. and etc.
@MagiAlphaOne The only time I am all for men opting out of CS and relinquishing rights to the kid is if the woman 100% has the ability to abort the kid (which you and many MRA traditionalist types are against. I'm sorry but you can't have your cake and eat it too, despite what Judge Bitch says).
@rushthesand The Laws do support the child. Often at the Father's expense. In fact, its often abusive. As you just described, the Mother has all the options. As for the "should be able to" options you provided. They are not the Law.
https://youtu.be/B2s2Rta9_-g
@rushthesand , As you pointed out, the Courts are very much against Men. The Laws heavily favor Women. Try Googling, "where have all the good men gone?". Perhaps they saw their Father's destroyed in the Courts.
@MagiAlphaOne The laws are different depending on the state in certain states rapists can still have paternal rights.
www.cnn.com/.../
@MagiAlphaOne
This courts on not as against men now a days as you may think.
www.slate.com/.../...of_divorce_and_paternity.html
@Valkyrie1 In 97% of cases men pay alimony and lose custody in 84% of the cases.
You didn't read the article did you? I can tell. 🙄
@Valkyrie1 I didn't, but I can tell that you are trying to tell us it's not that bad even if the laws are gynocentric.
Dude just google it. The stats are no where near that high.
@Valkyrie1 Of the 400,000 people in the United States receiving post-divorce spousal maintenance, just 3 percent were men, according to Census figures. Yet 40 percent of households are headed by female breadwinners -- suggesting that hundreds of thousands of men are eligible for alimony, yet don't receive it.- Forbes.
@rushthesand doesn't have anything against the pill. Good. @Valkyrie1 I don't know what you are trying to prove. Are you against the pill?
Also distinquished between the 4 different kinds of custody.
@Valkyrie1 Are you against the manufacturing of these pills or not?
I am not against it.
@Valkyrie1 Okay good. Then I don't think we have to debate further.
@rushthesand the dudes who get away without paying are usually low IQ, low income men with nothing to lose. My recommendation is not to have sex with this type of man
@SuccessfulHornDog thanks for the advice. you are so smart
@rushthesand my mom says I'm handsome too. So there's that as well
No thanks, i don't want to lower my testosterone and have suicidal thoughts.
The chicks upvoting you are like, "Good! Good! We need somebody to scam child support from!"
@Bananaman177 Just get a vasectomy and use condoms. Problem solved!
@Bananaman177 You know what, I'm sick of this. For two years of my daughter's life, her father wanted nothing to do with her ( ... and I was on birth control when I got pregnant with her) and I never tried to make him. His choice was his choice, and when he changed his mind and came barging in, I had, and have no interest in taking money that he himself offered in mediation as a way to make himself look good. He was awarded his visitation by the court, so stop with the women take everything and guys are such victims BS. It's all going his way at the moment. If it was up to me, he'd be gone. Not because I'm some selfish bitch, but because I don't want my child to end up really screwed up by that narcissistic moron. Guys aren't so innocent in all this.
@AperolSpritz not every situation is like yours. Tricking a man into fatherhood or child support is a violation akin to rape. The men are enslaved by the state to pay for something that was out of his control