All the guys I've met that are uncut, are unhappy that their parents didn't have it done when they were infants, and have said they will have it done to their sons to avoid the issue. And I have a few friends who got cut in their adulthood, and although are now really happy to be cut, they said it was an excruciating recovery, and wished it had been done when he was younger. I'm not sure what I would do. I certainly understand the idea that it is mutilation, but all the men I've met are for it. Obviously there are men who I haven't met, who are extremely against it, but this is just what I've observed. Obviously the question asker, is totally against it, and feels he's doing a justice to be criticizing everyones parenting abilities. I think you could be a little more tactful, I understand you have you're reasons, but ultimately, something that happens so young, and is forgotten, is only minor compared to what some children face day to day growing up. As someone who I'm assuming is NOT cut, I feel like it's just as hard for you to put yourself in someone else's shoes. I've never heard anyone complain about being cut as an infant.
I think you've probably very recently had a bitter experience where you were insulted due to not being cut. I'm sure that could be extremely hurtful, but I don't think it's fair to attack the majority of people who choose this for their sons. I'm sure the idea as a grown man, to remove part of your penis, is absolutely terrifying and I can understand why you'd have such a negative reaction to it. But you need to let up a little bit, obviously we can't all see it from your perspective, but I feel if you had been cut, maybe you would have a different opinion as well, it's hard to say, and not worth arguing about but there are two sides to this debate, and in all honesty, I don't think either one is wrong.
I have read many negative and resentful writings of those who were cut. As I said somewhere far below, you eventually have to accept it and convince yourself that it was the right choice. In the far west of Usa, there is a high grade of social pressure to have yourself be cut. That could explain why the uncut were unhappy... people give each other shit for many things all the time.
And I haven't even mentioned the p*rn influence - people end up thinking the circumcised is normal, because their only actual visual contact with this is through the pornographic media - where most males are indeed circumcised.
both my sons are happy I had i done when they where babys , and I'm happy my parents had me cut when I was a baby personally I see it as cure to make them wait until there adults to be cut at which point it woudl be more traumatic for any them
Check this out: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
Circumcising is mutilation of a child's genitals and should be banned. the nature creates us in the bast shape to survive and as long as a man/woman has no problem with this it means he has succeeded passing the test of trial and error of the nature and is considered complete, and there is no need for any change in what has been came out of the test. if there was any necessary need to circumcise a child as Muslims and Jews lamely state, the Nature would do it itself.
in the end, a man can choose whether to do it or not, but one as a mother or a father have no right to choose this "surgery" to be done on his son. And there should be a right for children to charge their parents if its done on them when they were not able to choose it for themselves.
WTF? Circumcising involves only removal of foreskin on top of penis. Penis is not mutilated lol
Circumcision is mutilation. I agree and yes there are nerve endings in the foreskin its not just a useless piece of skin.
Finally, someone who is reasonable about this.
mutilation in general means changing something from its perfected form to imperfection. and It effects the sensitivity of penis so it "is" considered mutilation. i think you are a Muslim saying this.
4 circumcised guys disagreed with you lol.
I'm sorry timeout, are you saying nothing that you're born with should ever be altered? You know nature doesn't always get it right? Let's take this one example. There are times when a circumcision is necessary to allow for proper penile function. What do you say to that poor bastard who's skin rips every time he tries to have sex? Sorry, that's the way you were born so that's the way you shall stay. Seems crazy to me.
Looool i am not Muslim. You americans are absolutely stupid at times. No knowledge and barking. I am not supporting circumcising. Those who don't need can remain natural. Sometimes circumcision is necessary. What happens is that fore skin of some children is generally so tight that they cannot move back and forth like it has to be. Such tight foreskins are breeding house for bacteria and viruses and lot of infection. The area becomes too itchy and maintainance of hygiene is difficult. Plus sex would br painful or he can bleed as tight foreskin can rupture. Foreskin has no sensitivity. It is head of dick that is sensitive to pain and pleasure when touched. I agree that sensitivity reduces. But his sexual performance or feeling of pleasure is not affected at all.
Most often circumcision is not necessary. Tight foreskin is not that common a health problem. And even if it is, they should resort to circumcision as a medical option, not as an aesthetic choice.
I'm not here to fight Indian. what i said is in general and is true, if your IQ is high enough to understand the difference between those who being diagnosed by "specialists" needing to get circumcised and millions of Muslim, Jewish, Christian and other Children.
Insaan is clearly circumcised. The foreskin actually does have sensitivity. It has a lot of nerve endings. And yes you're right, the head does have most of the sensitivity. However, those nerve endings slowly lose sensitivity because it is constantly in contact and brushing against clothing material. A circumcised man would never know the difference of how sensitive the head is compared to a man that's intact.
Nope
It's not hard to clean it takes 2 second.
And it feels better for both the guy and the girl when he is old enough
My boyfriend who isn't and he wasn't made fun of. Neither were any of his brothers or any of my friends who weren't.
It's unnecessary
Yup.
I stand quite firmly against mutilating children without genuine medical need. If an adult wants it done then so be it but it should always be the choice of the person it will actually affect. In a modern wealthy country the benefits are not important ones that cannot be tackled by good parenting and teaching hygiene. Religious reasons are not reasons. I strongly believe a civilised country should look a phasing out such outdated brutality. When I have a child if it is a boy I will not even humour the idea unless he has a real medical need for it.
Circumcision is genital mutilation. You essentially hate your children and disregard their value as human beings from an early age, and assert control over them from a very early age, and provide permanent physical evidence for this sort of condescending tyranny and complete disregard for their future well-being. Congratulations, everyone who voted A). Think what it'd be like if we chopped off girls' nipples and areolas because it was a "socially acceptable choice in the hands of the parents".
People don't seem to be thinking of this rationally step by step. They seem to conceptionalize circumcision as something socially acceptable, rather than think about it for what it is. You are literally taking a fairly newborn infant to the doctor, who grabs the penis, stretches out the foreskin, and slices it off, leaving permanent damage. You're having their penis mutilated. Forever. From the beginning of their lives to the very end. How can you not feel the weight of your decision?
It shouldn't even be your OWN decision. It is NOT your body.
I agree. I agree completely
This thread has opened my eyes to all sorts of crazy. In the UK hardly anyone is circumcised, is this an American thing do you think? I fear for my future son...
I don't have to explain anything to you
You know nothing about my life or what prompted the circumcision. So, get off of your high horse. You have No right to judge anyones decision on the well being of their children.
Once again you are not relevant in my life or my sons' life. I don't have to give you an explaination on anything. You came with an attack because of your views and that's not how you communicate or find out reasonings behind anyones decisions or behaviours.
I have my reasons and you aren't privy to them. You are a very judgmental person, who does not feel the need to ask why before attacking a person and calling them an unfit parent, because of your biases. You don't have to agree with Me or anyone else, who chooses whats right and wrong for Their child. It still doesn't not give you a right or licenses to bash a persons parenting
What's your problem. Their my children they'd be happy with that decision. It's for their betterment. As for boys I'll have them its not in your poweer to say you won't have them and I won't
@Mesonfielde - Don't know why people are so ignorant and dumb? As a med student I can definitely tell that uncircumcised penis has many benefits compared to circumcised one.
Meh, it is what is what is. I'm happy with my dick, and as much as I don't care about other dude's dicks at all, I hope you can find peace with yours as well.
@DanteSparda If there were so many medical benefits, why does no medical association in the world recommend circumcision of infants unless for religious reasons? “The BMA does not believe that parental preference alone constitutes sufficient grounds for performing a surgical procedure on a child unable to express his own view. Parental preference must be weighed in terms of the child's interests. . . . The BMA considers that the evidence concerning health benefit from non-therapeutic circumcision is insufficient for this alone to be a justification for doing it. . . . Some doctors may wish to not perform circumcisions for reasons of conscience. Doctors are under no obligation to comply with a request to circumcise a child.”
@vegvisir - Read my answer carefully , I'm against circumcision buddy :)
Oh, now I feel dumb, sorry! haha
Oh do shutup
Go somewhere else. Stop posting on my opinion
As far as "taking their freedom" I don't know where u draw the line but it sounds like abandonment. I have to reason based on my experiences, I was raised with discipline, strict rules and yea I was spanked. No punishment came as a surprise, I was warned and understood the full gravity of my actions. Thus, after elementary school I was never punished, because I had a strong morality and sense of right and wrong, though my father continued to teach me. Growing up I was puzzled by the unruly behavior of other kids, and other adults recognized me an my brother's superior parenting. We focused in school, I'm in college, I've never had a problem with authority, constantly complimented on my character, work ethic and drive. The pride my father had of me grew in my chest and was tempered by humility I learned from him. I loved him every day of my life with my only fear being I might let down my father who thought the world of me. Yea, y would I ever wanna pass that down to my children
I'm not interested in discussing the issue with you any further. You've been quite inflammatory with your responses to myself and others...the dead horse has been beaten enough. Congratulations. Please stop posting on my stuff from here on out. I'm tired of your bullshit and your fanaticism.
Overall, this was an interesting way to see that to most people, catering to their own ego is more important than making educated decisions regarding the future and the well-being of their own children.
And of course, it is more important for them to be tyrannous and controlling, playing with lives - rather than to visualize and understand the weight of their decision; and of course, to allow their children the freedom of choice. Overall, I'm disappointed. Not because of the large number of people who support circumcision, but because they support it BLINDLY, and with absolutely no open-mindedness towards changing their opinion, no matter what evidence is shown to them to make them realize that they're committing an error, a life-changing mistake; in place of someone else, altering someone else's life, forever. I expected more openness to reason, and to facts. To comprehend the perspective of others. But people seem incapable. They never learned to use empathy, they don't see their children as anything but concepts. As toys, as puppets. But not as humans, not as people.
"Why would I reject them the freedom of choice?" Because I've learned in the case of children, it's usually a good idea, some matters aren't going to be left in their hands. If I can give them what I posted earlier on here, I'd be elated! To raise a happy human being. We raise children based off of what we've learned in life, and not to say "letting the child choose is wrong" but that rings with a negative connotation for me and I'm not gambling in fields where I have no expertise, I'm sticking to my strengths and I won't use my child as a test dummy for some philosophy I know little of. I don't want to have to say to him when he ask "no I didn't raise you the best I could, i tried something new" There is danger in both options and life isn't made on statistics, in the end it lacks the meaning u give it, but truthfully, me and everyone I know is circumcised, no one regrets it and if anything I'd be disappointed it if I wasn't
I don't disagree with you on that, and I can't say my decision will stay the same. As in science my thesis will be tested by antithesis and when the time comes I'll use the knowledge I have to make the best choice I can
You're oddly obsessed with foreskin.
I'm obsessed with basic human rights, and the freedom of choice, and against making irrational decisions with limited (mis) information, especially if it's based merely on tradition. The fact that circumcision brings all three of these is what makes me so passionate in my counter-persuasion. Gender expectations are similar, although its errors are mostly reversible. The genital mutilation of circumcision is permanent and irreparable.
I've got to give you MH for your tireless and frank opposition to male genital mutilation. If there were more people like you, MGM would already be illegal. Thanks.
I am glad you value my efforts. I tried my best to help the people of the future. :)
This is the first time I am agreeing with you
For anyone who wants factual data on my circumcision is wrong, because they claim themselves to be at least slightly open-minded and actually do value the future well-being of their children, check out this link: www.psychologytoday.com/.../more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds
Got to say I admire your passion and enjoyed this debate.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!I do not have a strong opinion either way. I am not a man so I don't think it's my decision to make concerning my future son's penis. I will probably just let my future husband decide.
Why not let it up to your son, that way if it was a mistake, it's his mistake he has to live with not your or your husbands.
Why not read the male section and see some arguments for or against? Information is essential for proper decision-making.
I really don't care either way. I'm not a man. Men are the ones who have to live with it, my husband will be the one who can relate to him, so I will let him decide. End of story. I have no desire to read other men's arguments about it since, as I said, I will not be the one making the decision, my husband will.
Just because you aren't male it doesn't mean you can't have your own opinion.
Just because she doesn't agree with you doesn't make her wrong.
Having no opinion is less harmful than blind support of a barbaric ritual, that is true.
I simply don't have an opinion on it. Let it go.
I don't want children, but I would never. He can chose whether or not he wants to mutilate his genitals as an adult.
yeah for hygiene reasons
Teaching them how to clean it and telling them why it is necessary is an alternative that does not involve permanent damage.
I'm nursing student, I know how many issues I see in the hospital with people who have not cleant themselves properly or can't for whatever reasons. Do you know how much bacteria can collect over there?
Well they should have been taught to clean themselves, or if they are in a coma the nurses should do that more regularly, I guess. Nasty job though, heh. I have not thought of it that way.
Some people are taught, but are just plain lazy so no one can do anything about that.
That is their own personal problem, I almost fell inyo that mistake when I was 7. Still would rather maintain hygiene than have it removed.
Well, to each his own.
The foreskin of an infant isn't really your own.
Hi opinion owner, you are a nursing student, but I have been the owner of an uncircumcised penis for 27 years, it takes 10 seconds to clean by the way. Please feel free to comment when you have your own penis
Yup, pretty much.
If Hygiene is the reason then we sure learn to keep it clean. My penis has never been smelly cause I wash and care for it thoroughly :)
Religious reasons I have no opinion on, it's their call and no complaints there :)
If religious reasons are so unquestionable, then may I be allowed to make some human sacrifices to my deity? I have the freedom of religion, and apparently I can do with others whatever I want. Maybe I should sacrifice my children to the Aztec gods and drink their blood - they're basically my property and I can do whatever I want with them, apparently.
Probably not. I don't see reason to perform unnecessary plastic surgery on an infant, but you know it's always hard to argue with religion. If my husband was Jewish and he'd insist on it, I'd consider it. Assuming they do it in a hospital, with anesthetics, as safe as possible.
I think we can all agree, if it wasn't for religion I think we can all agree, it'd be long illegal
Is this a big debate now? I heard that's kind of big on the west coast lately, not circumcising your kids. I was done as a baby, and I'm definitely cool with it. I just think it looks better aesthetically, personally. But that's just me, and I try to keep my penis sightings to a bare minimum anyway, so I could give a fuck less what anyone else's hog looks like, haha. But I probably would choose to have it done as an adult (in a vacuum, I don't know if I'd scare myself out of it, pain-wise). Honestly though, I don't see it as a big deal either way. It's only got two jobs, and neither has a dress code. :-P
"looks better" is subjective, I think it looks mutilated and sad.
Great answer dude. Seriously made me laugh. Good shit.
I'm going to steal that 2 jobs and no dress code line. So god damn funny. :)
I could add the term disgusting as well on that list.
@rotinaj10 thanks, man, glad you got a laugh. Steal away, just give a hat tip to your boy WhiteSteve. :-P @QA, relax, bro, it ain't that serious. "I just think it looks better aesthetically, *PERSONALLY*." and "But that's just me..." were phrases I used intentionally to show that I recognize the subjectivity of it all. But you seem to have an agenda and want to go on the attack with people who disagree with you. We ALL should be subjective in this discussion. Why are you so concerned with MY dick? I made it clear that I don't care about anyone else's. If anyone is being objective, it's you. Do I think uncircumcised dongs are weird looking? Absolutely, but most likely because the one I see every day IS circumcised, so obviously that will be what I consider to be normal. You probably feel the same way about yours vs mine. And that's all good, who cares? Anyway, my overall point was that everything is fair, I couldn't care less, and I PERSONALLY prefer mine the way it is and...
...I'm happy with it. And with regards to it being mutilation or whatever, I'm just saying that as a "mutilated" guy, i'm no worse for wear and have had no issues. Sex feels great, and do I feel "less?" I don't know, maybe, but its absolutely still got plenty of feeling in it. But I don't know, and the good news is, you can't miss what you don't know. I don't buy into any of the garbage about uncircumcised being harder to clean and unhygienic, that's nonsense in today's world. I just said that I personally prefer the circumcised look for myself, where there's a distinct separation of head and shaft. That's what I would choose for myself, looks-wise. Thats a cosmetic surgery i would opt for if given the choice. And whatever YOUR dick looks like is of no concern to me. But you're the one calling my dick names, not vice versa. Chill out, no one cares about your covered wagon, I don't think any chicks will run away screaming from either of us, haha.
It just irritates the hell out of me that people ask these weighted questions with a strong bias on here, and rather than intelligently debating the pros and con's, they just yell at anyone who doesn't think like they do. You obviously have already come to a conclusion on your position on the topic, and that's fine. But you're killing everyone here who is OK with circumcision. Is this Uncircumcised Penis Awareness month or something?
No, the problem is just the people who rather than think about what they are actually doing, they blindly allow their children to have a fraction of them cut off merely for the parents' desires, with no respect towards the child's humanity, and utter disrespect towards their future. Some people did regret this.. www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
OK, that's fine. But I'm just saying that there aren't really any negative effects from it, coming from a circumcised dude. I mean, TECHNICALLY, I'm sure there is, but honestly, I'm glad there's a reduction in sensation, that will help me last longer, I'd imagine. If they never told me there was a foreskin there to begin with, I'd be none the wiser. I'm not willing to compare it to genital mutilation like they do to women, that's designed to strip women of their sexuality. Maybe that was an early reason behind the practice of circumcision, I don't know or care. I haven't seen my dad's junk since I was a small child, but if I remember right, its like mine, so he probably had mine done like his was. We're not Jewish, so there's no religious motivation. Strictly aesthetic purposes I think. But it works for me, because that's what I'd want for myself. Just like if I didn't like my nose, I'd get a nose job. (PS, I totally f'd up objective/subjective before. It was like 6 AM, haha)
I wonder why recently circumcision has become such a hot topic everywhere?
Circumcision is done for hygienic purposes that also is adopted by certain religions for the same reason & medical purposes.
Well I have a daughter and don't intend another child. But if I had a boy, I'd leave the decision to him when he grows up
This type of hygiene was necessary in deserts, not in modern environments.
ON THE DOT!!! - Correct and that too because deserts have paucity of water. Where water is abundant maintaining hygiene is a matter of realization and choice :)
I know right
Thanks raj .. :)
I would circumcise due to the facts that it helps with grown of the penis and increases issues with bacteria.
Right right. People are thinking with their emotions and not any common sense.
There are a few ways to look at this and approach it. [ ] Medical [ ]Religion [ ] Emotional Some people "feel" it is better to do it. While others "feel" it is not. Overall it is best to do it at a young age. Anything later in life is traumatic and it is harder to heal. Now even though studies show it helps growth and limits bacteria, some people differ on that. The truth is genetics have a HUGE play in it. Some people are circumcised and still have a small manhood. Some men are NOT circumcised and do have have issues with bacteria. Everyone is different. It is a difficult thing to generalize on.
Right. People keep saying "wait till they are older then they can choose." Smh. Nope. That's not a good option. Trust me. You don't want to do that.
Penis size is genetic and bacteria can be eliminated via regular hygiene. Some people feel like murdering other people, and most would argue that the feeling does not justify the action. Same for mutilation.
I don't understand the correlation between murder and eliminating bacteria. Who said they would circumcise their son for the feeling?
Elimination of bacteria can be achiebed by using water and soap. Also, you are removing the protection mechanism of the penis and expose the hole - if anything, that just makes infections more likely to occur.
I didn't say bacteria can't be removed using soap and water. Actually no. It's when the bacteria and infections get trapped that problems happen. The hole is not the problem. LOL!! You'd know better then me though...not really.
Foreskin if anything unprotects more than protects. Just because you naturally have it doesn't mean it's more beneficial.
Tell me what is it protecting you from?
Bacteria and contact with external objects at all times? It is also important during sexual acts.
That is what makes us male. The fact that we can clean what is outside. If it's inside how well can you clean it? Then there are other medical problems that can happen besides the cleaning part.
You literally just uave to pull the foreskin down. It was designed for that purpose.
You can't have it out all the time can you?
Why on earth would you even have it out all the time? That would make it more vulnerable, susceptible to diseases, and desensitize the tissue due to the continuous external contact and make sexuality less pleasureable. OH WAIT...
Oh really? Is that what you think? LOL!!! If that's what you want to believe. Dude if you want to keep your uncut penis then keep it.
Anyways, here you go, have nice reading here - people who thought like you, but regretted it deeply: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
I think like someone who wants to be healthy would think in terms of this.
I am conflicted, a circumised penis is less likely to get infections (comparing to a clean uncircumised penis) but a uncircumised penis a most sensitive.
I have no feeling towards it being their decision. I am not letting my.child decide if it wants to.get their shots, they are. My child will not sue me or be mad at me for doing the best i could with the life i was given. I will most likely leave a fate of his penis to his father.
a child's life is not "given" to "you". it's a precious gift that belongs to himself and you are only up to protect it in a very short period of his life. as a mother you are nothing but a temporary protector and have no right to decide lifetime decisions for your child. specially decisions directly related to his body or mentality. I strongly advise you to avoid becoming a mother until you are not mature enough to understand the meaning of the free will.
Oh i didn't mean the childs life, im sorry i meant mine. Like my income and household status. Sorry if that came out wrong. Im so sorry :/
The difference between prevention of contagious uncontrollable lethal diseases versus ones that are preventable with regular hygiene is quite large...
You realize what a false analogy that is, right. Getting your children vaccinated is a social responsibility that not only protects them, but others that can't get vaccinated for whatever reason. Circumcision is an elective cosmetic surgery.
Humans are barely able to guide their own steps, and male boys especially crave guidance and direction, don't abandon them to the wilds leaving them to question your absence, be a trustworthy and authoritative figure, stand with your partner not against and you can raise a child that will inspire man
If you need something to prove to you that circumcision can be bad, check this out: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
And here's actual data: www.psychologytoday.com/.../more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds
Someone has some serious issues lol.
Sorry that wasn't an answer. I believe it is a choice between myself and my husband to make. No other persons opinion should matter and quite frankly it really isn't anyone else's buisness.
Well it kind of is... the child's.
You Have your opinion and I have my...thanks for your 2 cents though
I suport my claims with facts, so it is more than just an "opinion", though. For others, it even seems dogmatic and are unwilling to see the decision for what it is... o.o
I don't have a strong opinion to either. I would most likely let my husband decide considering he would probably know more about this subject and have a stronger opinion than I will
You should read the male section and decide for yourself. The best choice is not doing so, that actually leaves the option open either way.
No way! Its an archaic, useless practice. If and when I have a son, I wouldn't want his thing to look like a mutilated mushroom. And thankfully I'm uncircumcised too. Its so called 'health benefits' are mostly myths.
Yeah...probably...if I have one cause my BF is Jewish on his mom's side...and so he's circumcised...
I don't really have a preference either way...but will probably go with what my BF says...cause after all...he's the one that actually made it through med school instead of me who dropped out...he has more insight than I do medically speaking
You should ask the opinion of more people. This is a life-overarching permanent decision you're making for SOMEONE ELSE. I personally go with saying it's genital mutilation and should not be done.
I've heard of this perspective before...and have considered it...I'm really not sure what I'd do at this point...I'd have to wait and see when the time comes
Just think of it as cutting off your clitorial hood because people think it looks silly, and you'll have pretty much the same question at hand.
Circumcision is bad, as you can see - www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
I don't really want children, but if I did want or have a son, there's now way I would let some doctor mutilate his genitalia. I see no issue in keeping the penis as it should be, however if my son, when he was an adult wanted to get a circumcision I would fully support him. People seem to be saying a lot about hygiene, but it only takes ten seconds to clean under the foreskin so I don't see that as an issue. Unless my son decides for himself, my partner comes from a background of religious circumcision, or there was a medical issue (eg. tight foreskin) there would not be any way in hell I would ever mutilate my babies penis.
*Even if there was a medical issue or my partner was from a religious background there's still a 99.9% chance I would not.
"however if my son, when he was an adult wanted to get a circumcision..." Now there's a very pain-filled decision. I knew a guy who decided to be cut as an adult. He spent weeks in a tub of warm water and he still walks funny.
I know the generic way of injection and scalpel use is supposed to be very painful, they have come up with new methods. I can't do anything to stop my son from getting one when he's of age is that's what he wants, and of course I would support him. What's so bad about that?
I'd circumcise him for health reasons you know easier to keep him clean down there and also because even though having either or is more common now some people especially girls are extremely rude if it's not the one that they see the most often in real life and especially when watching p*rn.
Actually... On second thought I won't circimcise him if he fears he isn't the same as everyone else the longer he'll be my baby boy and I won't be grandma!
Good stuff lol
I would circumcise my son if I had a son. Not into children yet but if I did I would. There are many health reasons to do so. In America, just about every male is. In Europe, it is quite the opposite. I stand by my decision though, being in nursing school at all, just health reasons that beneficial. Look it up yourself on why it is beneficial health wise and you'll a list of why.
The health reasons are easily counteracted by regular hygiene, in which case the only thing that remains is the aesthetics, which is completely personal and should not be decided for another person, and definitely not permanently. The health reasons were necessary in the deserts about 2000 years ago... not anymore, not in a modern society.
And of course, think twice before you enforce your *permanent* decision on your child without their consent, while they're incapable of consent, and do something to them that will affect them throughout their lives and forever: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
I've never heard of a male I met that really complains about being uncircumcised. It's just a topic for people to complain about. The truth is, not everyone is clean all the time, I would rather be safe than sorry. I don't need to think twice about the health of my future children.
Here are the disadvantages of circumcision though, just to make sure you are making an educated decision here: https://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/fleiss.html
You don't seem to value anyone else's opinion but your own on this one and your poll even shows that more people will choose to circumcise. Just saying.
I have said before and said it again, I did not post this question, it would display me as Asker. Just because more people choose to do the same that doea not necessarily make it right.
Giraffe94, just to let you know, I would HATE my parents if they had that done to me. I have been uncircumcised for 27 years and love it, very few people who are have health problems and if they do THEN they get it done, you will be permanently desensatizing your sons penis if you have it done and reducing the pleasure for him allthough his sex life. I hope he doesn't hate you for it. Remember that in the U.S it was introduced to stop masturbation. In a country with adequate hygeine and running water, there is NO need to do it to children/newborns. I hope he doesn't resent you for it if you end up having a son and getting it done
I don't even want kids. But hypothetically, if I had a son, then no, I would not get him circumcised. If he wants to get it circumcised as an adult, then great. I'll support him. But it is not my decision to make.
excellent answer oppaoppa
why do the best girls don't want kids? what will happen to humanity?
@kep79 "best girls"? Hahaha.
This is interesting here...
LOL I love the collegehumor educational videos
Hahaha, that was pretty funny. True facts, ALL penises look weird.
I will not enforce an antiquated Jewish tradition on my sons.
if I have a baby boy he will be circumcised because it is easier to maintain and it will prevent potential problems at an older age.
in my experience circumcised guys enjoy sex as much as uncircumcised ones plus I've never heard a guy complain about his circumcision.
I'm not EVER having kids...
That being said.. if I was to have a son...
He is getting cut.
No guy I have been with, has ever complained that he was circumcised.
No guy I have been with, has ever had issues with sensitivity that caused him disfunction
A cut dick, is a prettier dick.
I don't care how meticulous you are, or how lazy.. it is easier/quicker to clean a cut one.
While many women don't care either way, I've never heard of a woman not liking a cut dick
I prefer uncut.. plus I wouldn't cut my kid. Ick. Grown men aren't going to remember the pain obv
It is not prettier. It looks permanently damaged... because it is. And therefore unnatural. I wonder when it will be fashionable to chop off our ears and rip out all our eyelashes, for health reasons of course.
I beg to differ. I personally think my penis looks quite handsome. In fact... I'd go so far to say that I love my penis. Oh the times we've had...
Well My penis is perfect, especially because it's exactly as Nature intended. Not cut some by random barbarians with a knife.
Of course, people rather ignore the people who regret their decision... www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
Mine looks better than both of y'alls. ROFL!!! XD
Nothing looks better than what's natural.
I never said it wasn't your brand of "natural". However, you admit you're uncut.
Sorry, Mesonfielde.. but to me, cut will always look better then uncut. and we have a user on this site who was circumcised as an adult, and as I remember, he is happy with his decision.
As I said earlier, the only people who have a problem with circumcision are uncircumcised men and women who have only been with uncircumcised men...us circumcised guys just walk around with a big smile on our face
I've said before and again, of course circumcised people accept it on the long run, otherwise, they would have to be in dysphoria with themselves throughout the entireity of their lives. You grow to accept things that cause you harm, so that the feeling of harm is minimized.
You keep the ant eater and I will keep mine
That is an interesting way to rationalize it.
No way, I won't circumcise any future sons.
yes because it's normal now adays and less chance of an infection
what infection? Seriously, if people actually clean it regularly then it actually prevents infections.
Here you go: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
And see www.psychologytoday.com/.../more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds for actual research
And see www.psychologytoday.com/.../more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds for actual research
My dad circumcised, my mom wanted me to circumcise, but finally it was my decision to circumcise myself.
Why would you do that? The only reason that would seem reasonable is if you have tight foreskin, which is a medical condition.
I probably had tight foreskin before that, i didn't even dare to masturbate because it is tight plus (only like to do it after 21), penis head was too sensitive plus my parents probably didn't teach me how to clean it properly since i was small.
You did a good thing ignore him.
I see. I can't argue with medical conditions.
circumcision is medically classified as plastic surgery. I don't believe in it, my bf strongly disagrees. This upcoming generation, less than half of baby boys are circumcised so...they're going to be the ones with the funny dicks. Just saying.
"Plastic surgery", that sums up how pointless it is. But it doesn't really show how terrible it is from the point of view that you're technically choosing mutilation of your child's genitals.
I agree with you 100% and people are like concerned their boys won't like it or whatever when they're older. TMI but my mom didn't have either of my bros circumcised, they both think it's cruel and they're glad our mom didn't do that to them.
I get that you feel strongly about this but I kind of feel that you made this question just so you could insult people who disagree with you.
I didn't make the question. It would show me as "Asker". I'm just pissed at all the people whose only reason behind circumcision is "FACK YOU THAT'S WHY".
And do their best to reject ANY kind of evidence that this is *objectively* and *morally* wrong.
Unless there are severe medical reasons that this needs to be done, it shouldn't be anyone's decision but the boy's (when he's old enough).
I would have to say cutting that part of a baby boy is in some form very cruel. You're causing harm to your new born son and making a life changing decision for them. I do not agree with that. If they want to do that when they're older then by all means. But not me, I won't do that to my son.
Its never even crossed my mind! If he would really want to, I wouldn't stop him. I really won't have an issue whether he has a foreskin or not.
By he, I hope you mean your child, and would therefore be capable of making his own reasonable judgement rather than choose his fate for him.
Yes, by he I do mean my child. But thats figuratively speaking since I have no kids and right now I dont plan on having kids anytime soon , so I will cross that bridge when I come to it. I take you will circumcize your sons?
Never. I advocate the freedom of choice. Both in behavior traits and in physical terms. I am not circumcised nor would I allow anyone to suffer in this regard if I had the option to halt it everywhere and forever.
If I have a son in the future, I'd get him circumcised
Lol, If I don't I would have to "teach" him how to clean that area, yuck xD
THAT'S your reasoning? That you don't want to tell him "you need to pull the foreskin back and wash it"? You have to do that anyways even if there's no skin there, you know. The key difference is that they get desensitized and become more vulnerable and less protected and more likely to get infections.
I'll get my 'future husband's' opinion on it haha
Child-raising has WAY more many complications and difficulties than having to pull the foreskin back when they're still not capable. They'll be pooping all over the place, yelling and screaming for food. What will you do then, slice out their vocal chords? Plug their butt with a cork? Where does the insanity end?
Lol true, but I guess it keeps it more "clean" haha
It's NOT CLEANER god damnit it takes like 5 seconds to clean it are you going to mutilate your child and cause permanent damage to their genitals to save yourself the effort of 5 seconds? Why not break all the plates in your home so you don't need to wash them?
At least that doesn't toy with human lives.
Lol I have a friend and he complains about not being circumcised, so yeah, idk.
Well he's a noob, then. If you take a shower every day or even every second, there shouldn't be a problem.
Plus, every guy in my family is.
Anyways, circumcision is permanent mutilation, and makes your son suffer for an entire lifetime. It's almost as if we stated that small fingers on hands are disgusting and we should chop them off. And now you would have 8 fingers. Wouldn't you feel resentful for it? That you were forced to have 8 fingers because your parents disregarded that you might have a different opinion on it later on in life?
What if he doesn't suffer, and likes that he's circumcised?
Then that's pretty much like being born into slavery: you wouldn't know the difference, because you've never actually seen what the difference is like.
You eventually grow to accept it, because your only other option is suicide.
Please think of it as if we were to slice off your clitorial hood, just because it's "easier to clean that way". How would that make you feel?
Lmao this guy is obviously traumatized.
I am circumcised and I am not suffering in any shape or form but rather pleased. not only does it have health benefits it actually looks better.
It actually doesn't look better..
It really only seems to look better because P*rnography displays it as normal. Same for anal sex, same for BDSM, same for dehumanization in general. Dehumanization in relationships, mate selection, and even child birth and child raising.
Culture is truly fascinating. The fact that people don't realize its errors however is saddening.
Check this out to see what other mothers think after they actually had their son circumcised... their views are a bit more authentic and genuine: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
I don't even like kids
The ones that are behaved are ok
Most helpful lol
There is a higher potential of him getting diseases if he is uncircumcised. Yes if I have a son I'd want him to be circumcised.
I don't care if you dislike. Bet you will not debate it. I must be right.
I also notice who wouldn't get their son circumcised. The irony.
The only way you can get diseases from having a foreskin is if you regularly neglect bathing for weeks. Otherwise, foreskin is there for exactly that: Protection.
LOL!! Ok.
That's good +1
It's a fact. It's there to hide the penis's upper area from external contact, and also for easier entry into a vagina. Do you want your children to need to use lube at each and every sexual activity?
You use lube when entering a vagina? You do know vaginas intentionally try to stay moist don't you? If not problems ensure. It's just skin. It's a part of the same skin that's on the shaft. I'm sure if the part with the foreskin can fit smoothly the shaft can too. Same for a circumcised head. If anything I'd be easier than a uncircumcised. Plus what if your trying to get her pregnant, but it get's trapped in the foreskin? ain't that some shit?
*ensue.
The bacteria that can get trapped in foreskin is far more dangerous than a vagina touching the head of the penis.
When you are pushing forward, the foreskin gets pulled back, and therefore it won't be in the way, and also it is not 100% coverage either way. The bacteria that can get trapped can be removed using water and soap. By external entities, i mean your underpants through the entire day. Males don't produce white discharge like females: they do so exactly to prevent the infections that would occur in this particular scenario. The male does not have this mechanism, ans therefore circumcision increases the likelihood of infections all around the head of the penis, and especially the actual hole (tube).
You forget one major part. The vulva is extremely sensitive and the vagina is affected greatly by what happens on the outside. This is not the case with a penis. As a matter of fact the more the head is inside the higher the chance of infections because the more vagina like it becomes. Not only can bacteria get in there, but again you also got medical conditions that can happen for having foreskin. The penis hole is no where near as affected by outside elements as the vagina. Even at that the head would be outside and thus easier to clean. If the head is inside it's much more difficult to clean and bacteria can grow easier in dark, warm, environments. Unless you've got your foreskin pulled down 24/7 your going to have a higher risk of infections. You can pretend it's not true just because you have foreskin, but it's true.
I know that's why I posted in on his as well
...of course the hole isn't as affected, because it's MEANT TO BE COVERED BY FORESKIN. Wow. The foreskin keeps it SAFE, and you can CLEAN it when you're taking your daily regular SHOWER. With Soap and Water. Because that's enough to counteract your "bacterial infection" claim.
No I meant with or without foreskin it's still different than a vagina. You seem to not know the difference. The foreskin can do more harm than help. I again didn't just say bacteria, and I realize you can clean it. Still doesn't mean there's not a higher potential of getting bacteria than someone who is cut. You again keep talking soap and water. Hell you put soap and water on anything I guess it still can't get bacteria on it can it? I guess that eliminates automatically that uncuts have a higher potential to bacterial infections than cuts right? Wrong.
You can argue morals but you can't argue biology. Hell you think a penis hole and a vagina is the same so that alone tells me something.
Oh, the second post in this thread would like to argue with your "it is biologically beneficial to not have a foreskin" thing: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
And of course, you can see people who have actually regret that they've done something to permanently change the lives and the body of their children, and cause them immense pain and suffering. Check it out, maybe it'll do you good to know more about what you advocate.
How many times are you going to post that link?
I'll check it out, but I never doubted that there are people who feel regret for getting circumcised.
Still don't mean it's the healthier option.
It actually is, here's factual proof, just for you: https://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/fleiss.html :P
And again how many times are you going to post that? If it makes you feel better about your little uncut then w/e. Here's the best option. I choose what I want my son/sons having (if I have any) and you choose (or don't choose) what you want your son/sons having (if you have any).
You've been looking for data that countered your opinion, here you go: www.psychologytoday.com/.../more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds
It's what you were looking for, as far as I know.
No. That's what YOU were looking for. You've been trying to convince yourself and others that uncut is better. I'll again say if it makes you feel better about your little uncut then w/e. Here's the best option. I choose what I want my son/sons having (if I have any) and you choose (or don't choose) what you want your son/sons having (if you have any).
There is information that supports the other side of the debate. But w/e. LOL!
Most of that was designed so that people would accept and pay for the "medical" procedure. I replied to you on an anon above, if you cannot findit i will copy it here later when i can.
No it's not. It's why they give you the option to circumcise or not, because their are health reasons to support circumcision but some people see it as morally wrong (like you) and see some good in uncut (like you). So the doctors say f it you pick what you want.
But again, you do what you want with your sons (if you have any) and everybody else will do what they want (if they have any) in terms of circumcision. That's called freedom. Your trying to persuade people into keeping their kids uncut. That's a injustice. They have the freedom to choose. I'm not saying you have to get your sons cut am I? No.
I've barely thought about this, and I do need to ask my boyfriend to see what he wants to do. My inclination would be not to though, I don't really see a point to it.
Just note the fact that it's genital mutilation and you're good to go.
I find it very interesting that two males down voted me, and two females up voted me.
Because some people were circumcised and the only way to prevent themselves from going insane and bwing on dysphoria until the end of their lives is by convincing themselves that it was for the better.
See? It is evening out.
Look now :D
I don't actually know why guys down voted me tho >.> what did I say wrong?
Nothing. This is the way of rationalizing their permanent state. It works like Stockholm syndrome.
No my son is not.
Finally, a humane mother. It's nice to see one every once in a while around all the control freaks who spawned up around here.
doctors circumcised both my sons
The bastards!
well I did tell him to , course tat doesn't mean he isn't one
Hell no I wouldn't. Not a chance in hell to be more accurate.
I don't want kids at this juncture so it's moot. And I don't really care about the issue of male circumcision either.
My penis was circumcised and it works just fine. I doubt there's any benefit nor any detriment that has resulted from the procedure...it just is what it is...
You will never learn to know the difference, which is sad.
Actually, Mesonfielde, no one will learn to know the difference (unless they are circumcised when grown-up, and knowing there's no way back).
There are detriments: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
@ Wiclies: that's a very good point. No one person can accurately describe any possible benefits/detriments to the procedure unless they've lived life as both circumcised and uncircumcised. And even then the experience is anecdotal and subjective to their own personal experiences, which could vary wildly from person to person. At any rate, I don't see why so many people get so worked up over this on EITHER side of the issue. If you're uncircumcised and you love it and that's what you'd want for your son, then GREAT! And if you're circumcised and you love it and that's what you'd want for your son, then that's GREAT too. I don't see what the big fucking deal is. Seems like a bunch of people that are insecure with their dicks.
I told my sons dad that's his decision.
I advise you to look up the people who feel cheated by their parents for causing them permanent damage for an aesthetic choice.
I'm not having kids but by the off chance that I do have kids I would never EVER circumcise my son.
I don't want kids, but if I decide to, and it's a boy, I'd let my husband decide
Why not make your own opinion on the subject based on information, such as information and viewpoints provided in this thread?
Because thinking for yourself is haaard.
Because I don't really have an opinion on the matter
You literally jst need to scroll down.
There are pros and cons, and I believe that letting my husband decide, as a male would be best, that's my opinion, don't try telling me otherwise.
Don't try to make me realize that I can have my own educated opinion! Haha, anyways, this is still a better option than blindly supporting it, so I will accept it.
I love how you keep talking about freedom and stuff but you are just forcing your opinion on everyone else.
Freedom of speech does not even compare to cutting off a piece of your child's body. He is essentially advocating for a baby's rights. And I agree with a child's human rights
Well just so he knows that people push their beliefs on me...the more it pushes me away...my opinion still stands
Then read other people's opinions. www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
People who have regret their decision.
The more you push this at me, the more I'm ignoring what you say, Did you even read my opinion? I said that I don't want kids...so take your over opinionated views and get them out of my face...you're just as bad as a hardcore Jesus freak or a hardcore pot advocate...just get the fuck out of my face, I am not changing my views and opinions for the likes of you.
People need to change their views for themselves, not for me. But we took this discussion elsewhere.
If I get around to it, I will do research on my own time...but even though you are extremely passionate on this subject, I am not. And that's not likely to change.
Yes I will circumcise my son. I am circumcised myself and very happy to have had it done at a younger age. Apart from the health benefits, it also looks much better.
Reasons for circumcision will be religion and health.
But it doesn't look better.. lol. You don't cut your kid so he will look better. There aren't any health benefits. You can easily pull the skin back and clean
I stated the main reasons, by health I meant hygienic in general and religious reasons. As for your opinion on it not looking better, well that's your opinion. Almost all the women I have talked to about this topic, said they preferred the look of a circumcised penis. I also prefer the look of a circumcised penis, so I am happy with mine...
The only reaspn why they prefer it is because that is what they see in p*rn. That does not make it right. Do you know what else you can see in porn? Dehumanization. Same as what people are are doing to their kids when the make permanently life altering decisions about their lives wihout their consent.
Yeah... pretty sure no kid deserves to have part of his penis cut off because his dad thinks it looks better. That's pretty messed up
Well, you should read this, if you actually want to see the other side of your coin rather than just accept things blindly: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
And of course, here's actual data on why your claims are incorrect, by a credible source: www.psychologytoday.com/.../more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds
I will not allow the amputation of part of my son's penis without his consent just after he enters this world.
I will circumcise all the sons I have
So, they do not have the right to make a PERMANENT decision like this for themselves? Why support genital mutilation?
I hope you will have no sons so you won't have the choice to have them mutilated against their will.
Amerians are stupid
Are they thinking that oenis is chopped off? Lol these Americans
Well their only optiona are either acceptance, or a life of pure bitter resentment that can be fixed only by suicide, and the survival instinct tends to win in that scenario.
See for yourself what your decision would result in, see the sorrow of other mothers who have regret their decision: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
He was circumsized
I really doubt your life was personally affected by circumcision in any way, considering you're female. You have absolutely no means to comprehend what that would mean to you, nor can you imagine what it's like not to have your foreskin. If you think the well-being of your children is so important, you wouldn't have chosen to mutilate them, or would have allowed them to make the choice of undergoing the procedure. As I said, by choosing this PERMANENT decision in place of them, you disregard their integrity as human beings, and the importance of their future. Dehumanization. Of course, if you have any valid reason which could in any way attempt to justify how choosing mutilation for another human would even remotely seem like a reasonably justified decision, then I'm certainly listening, and probably so do all others who disagreed with you.
In the meantime, check this out to understand the significance of your decision (that, by the way, shouldn't have been yours): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation Here is something you can probably relate to.
It does, if the parent's actions are objectively wrong and detrimental.
I'm extremely disappointed though. I thought you were a better person than this. But I see you are close-minded, and I was completely wrong. Well, that's just how it is - not everyone can be perfect at interpretation of other people over text.
Dude she isn't close minded for wanting to eliminate higher chances of her son getting disease and bacteria. You going waaay to hard on this thing son.
Exactly he's a psycho don't know what's his problem
Dude LOVES his foreskin lol
I was going to put a couple of jokes, but I'm going to do that. He's a cool dude he's just wildin on this one.
Don't see how he is a psycho for NOT wanting to cut off parts of babies' genitals. I have strong opinions on this because there are so many guys around who wish they were never circumcised at birth, and they are angry that their parents did not give them the choice. As an example, I just googled "Do you regret being circumcised". Here are quotes from the first page: "It's a crime that the decision was made without my consent" "I RESENT my parents and their choice, however I can't regret something that wasn't in my control." "i had to get it for medical reasons but i wish i didnt" " I hate being circumcised with every fibre of my being. It's a horrible mutilation that caused me deep psychological trauma and puts a barrier of deep resentment between me and my parents. " "Circumcision should be illegal to force on infants; whether male or female. " A couple people were also good with it: "Am i happy...Hell yes! " "I'm glad I got it circumcised."
My point being that whilst some guys are please with it, from research a majority don't, and some actually go as far as hating their parents for having it done. It is too big of a decision to make for someone else
"I have strong opinions on this because there are so many guys around who wish they were never circumcised at birth, and they are angry that their parents did not give them the choice." There are some who wish they were circumcised at a early age. Some become traumatized by their parents wanting them to choose when they are older. Some hate their parents for that.
Can you give me some quotes or evidence of this? I fail to see how it makes a difference getting circumcised 15 years sooner, unless you mean that they were bullied for having a circumcised penis. In which case, that's a pathetic excuse to mutilate a baby
You can research it the same way you researched to support the other side. I never said it was a valid excuse.
From what I've looked at, the only people who complain about NOT getting circumcised are the people who got bullied or treated differently for not being circumcised. That doesn't happen in most countries, in Europe the majority of people actually want it banned unless for religious reasons. Seems sad that kids get bullied in america for not being mutilated. In that case though, I doubt a kid is going to be bullied for it until he is a teen. In which case, if he wants to get circumcised in his teen years then he can do what he wants. I have no problem with circumcision. Just circumcision against the consent of the child. To me it's similar to castrating a kid cause you don't want him to have kids, that's really not your choice
Well again we can always argue on whether or not it's wrong. Biologically it is their choice. Do they want to risk having a child who may have a higher potential of getting infections and disease or do they want to reduce such chances?
It doesn't reduce the risk of infections though, if it played any major role it would be recommended by medical associations. As of now, no medical association in the world recommends circumcision of infants unless on religious grounds. I really don't think it can be argued that it's right
It does reduce the risk of infections. Part of the reason why it has religious grounds and it's just common sense let alone research. Obviously you can argue that it's right or not.
When think about potentials of being more infectious and less infectious you can make a argument.
Here's an idea, teach your kids how to practice safe sex and not to have sex with infected people in the first place instead of chopping off pieces of them. Babies aren't even susceptible to the infections that getting circumcised decreases your chances in. If you're circumcised you have half the chance to contract herpes, human papillomavirus or HIV. All of which are sexually contracted from infected persons, babies don't even have sex, so it's up the child themselves when they get around the age that they need to consider this stuff. I'd rather have all of the extra nerve endings, and not be mutilated than have half the chance to contract these infections. Most people in Europe agree, and I'm sure americans might if the research was presented to them
I'm not talking about from sex. The research is presented to us. It seems you are basing your opinion on moral reasons. Same for Europe as a whole apparently.
Emotional reasons I should say.
Yeah, okay then. Every medical association in the world and the entirety of Europe must be basing their standpoint entirely on "emotional reasons", whatever floats your boat
Yeah, okay then. Every medical association in the world and the entirety of the USA must be basing their standpoint entirely on safe sex, whatever floats your boat. by the way I never said it did base it on emotional reasons. I said apparently. You also apparently think the USA is uninformed. You also keep saying how wrong it is which again is based on your opinion and not biology. Honestly I'd rather have some "nerve endings" cut off and reduce the chance of getting infections, deformities, and bacteria substantially than to keep it just because of "mutilation".
Hey, go to your opinions and go this.
No national medical association in the world recommends circumcising newborns. If the advantages outweighed the disadvantages, they would do. Quite a lot of them actually go into detail about how they recommend it shouldn't be carried out, and that the choice should be left to the child. Some even question whether it should be legal in the first place By the way, uncircumcised penises don't harbor bacteria if you actually shower, go figure 0-o
lmao, let's just agree to disagree, we're spamming knotme's inbox
@Knotme Okie dokie.
Honestly though, it is not surprising that the USA has the highest teen pregnancy rate and also the highest circumcision rate. It speaks greatly of the nation-wide arrogance and disconnectedness from others emotionally, and from both themselves and one another sexually. They literally spout false information to make people undergo unnecessary procedures, just look at all the boob jobs or even the recommendation of smoking cigarettes about 120 years ago bwfore they realized it causes lung cancer. People seem incapable of questioning aggressive marketing campaigns.
Go somewhere else. Stop posting on my opinion
He did that not me. I'm not reading that mess on this opinion.
And ladies and gentlemen this is how the people end up misinformed and blindly accept the healthcare that forces them to be in 5-digit loans for getting emergency life-saving operations, and learn that the reason not to have sex is because an Angry Man in the skies will shower you with lightning, rather than because you create children, and Children Are a Responsibility, because you're birthing a new HUMAN BEING. Teehee. I did not expect this to become relevant.
Wow girl you got quite a trail here lol
lol when don't you - Greek ;) :D
You should at least read this. www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
no i won't get my son circumcised he will decide it when he will grow up
Hell no. Why would I want my sons cock mutilated?
I don't see how this is even a question that people would consider. If you have a daughter are you going to have her fingernails peeled off and her teeth pulled out?
I honestly don't see how that shit is even legal. Everyone can see female genital mutilation is barbaric, its equally bad to do to a male.
I have a son and he was circumcised
I wish he had been female, then you probably wouldn't have went to chop her clit off because it's "cleaner that way".
When my son was born 14 years ago the information I was given stated that it was healthier for males to be circumcised and when u have a child u wanna do what u think is best for that child at the tima and at the time I believed that was the right choice
How did you not see that it technically just means slicing off a part of his body? >:[ You should have asked male people's opinion on it, those who actually haven't been circumcised so they can tell what it's like to have a foreskin, rather than just hear how people have grown to accept their lack of it.
His father agreed that he wanted his son circumcised so I did ask a males opinion on the subject
You should have asked about 5. This IS a permanent decision, after all.
My son is happy the way he is
He does not have the freedom to be spiteful about it throughout his life if he disliked it. People can go insane from that kind of long term negativity.
It's fairly to see opinions against it, especially after the fact: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
To be perfectly honest with you I don't care what u think
It is not just what i "think" though, I am posting other people's experiences and biological facts.
It isn't a good idea because babies can die from it or be traumatised due to the penis being totally cut off. Refer to case of reimer twins from Canada. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11814300
You realize that was done with an electric cautery machine? Normally circumcision is done with a scalpel and only a complete Mormon would cut off a babies penis that way when done right with a scalpel. That's like cutting off someone's head when giving them a haircut.
Let them make the informed choice when they are older. Doing it when theyre babies is very risky.
No its not, Millions have it done safely ever year. The risk of complications is much higher as an adult.
lol I just realized I meant to say only a complete "Moron" would could it off with a scalpel not Mormon.
Pain is uncool for a baby.
Doctors makes mistakes but they cover it up
Like the Rabbi said just before circumcising the little boy: "Well , it won't be long now!"
So what about the cases where they managed to damage the genitals so much that they essentially told the parents to raise their child to be a girl? Needless to say, it was ineffective, and the child killed himself at the age of 18.
Also, www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
Against, I would never have them circumcised unless it was medically necessary. Becasue I would not have wanted someone to force their choice on me (which thankfully my parents didnt)
So treat others as you wish to be treated.
The whole infection/hygeine argument doesn't stack up in the western world. It was actually introduced in America to stop masturbation, which I can imagine would be considerably more difficult/painful without a foreskin.
Well, there is a reason why using socks and fleshlights is so prominent there for that purpose. Although I don't think socks would really be all that hygienic.
Oh believe me, I'm circumcised and masturbation has never been a problem for me. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Particularly you meson. Fleshlights are designed to simulate a vagina not to help uncircumcised guys masterbate. Dumb ass.
Well it's supposed to be the foreskin that goes up and down alongside the head of the penis that would cause the stimulation...
Im glad you feel your doctors in the USA know better than thousands of years of evolution and nature. You honestly dont know what your missing - because it was cut off and put in a bin when you were young, your loss though.
I would do it. A circumcised penis has a reduced risk of getting infections and even cancer.
Thats stupid just wash it you do realize you are killing off sensitive nerve endings reducing pleasure and also leaving potential scar tissue.
An uncircumcised penis has a lower risk of getting infection if it's cleaned regularly, maintained by regular hygiene. That point is miniscule compared to the sexual deficits and the discomfort.
I don`t know any man who has ever complained about his penis being circumcised as a baby or have even had any complications but I have heard of complications with not being circumcised.
@questioner1991 Well how can they complain about something they had no choice in? These men have no idea what having foreskin feels like, nothing to compare to. What complication can a penis in a sleeve have today? Circumcision was relevant when hygiene was pretty much non-existent. What you're saying is equivalent to cutting off labia majora, "it reduces risk of infection!".
I really don`t believe that male circumcision is the same at all. The countries who do it to females do it so that women will no longer enjoy sex and they even sew their vagina's shut. I do not know one male who no longer finds trouble having sex because he was circumcised. The benefits just outweigh any cons to me.
Masked is right. That really is similar. Although it is more similar to slicing off your clitorial hood.
It's not if you really think that you need to learn more about it. Men and women have different bodies and u just can't compare the two. This is my opinion and I stick with it. There is no point to argue with me about this.
You have juat made your own opinion invalid.
Opinion owner, you are right, men and women DO have different bodies, so since you are a woman what gives you the right to make choices to ours? Im uncut and love it, you realise many men hate the fact they were circumcised dont you? Give your son his own choice,
I'm not jewish but if there were health benefits I probably would,
There aren't.
Oh ok. Well he gets to keep his hat then.
Yay! :)
Lol!!
Of course not. I don't see any reason to cut off a part of my baby's body. Plus why the hell would I hurt him like that? Disgusting
Aww. You sound like you make, or will make, a caring mother :)
Finally a reasonable person, yes.
Some stupid girls have no idea on circumcision. Please explain them as they are talking shit.
A girl thinks that it is mutilation of genitals.lol
I am circumcised.
You need to get your definition of mutilation in check so you know what you are talking about.
Yes i agree... I have said somewhere here that those who don't need can remain natural. It should be treated like medical problem. Americans might be doing it unnecessary. Fools..
Hygiene reasons and even though all penises look gross, uncircumcised ones look grosser so I would want my son to be circumcised
Aesthetics is the least you should be concerned about for a child incapable of consent nor rejection.
Uncircumcised looks better. Regardless, I wouldn't cut off a part of my child's body so he would look better. I'd have to be a pretty terrible mom..
Its not a terrible thing to do. Im fine.
It is though. My future babies don't deserve that. They didn't do anything for me to cut off a part of their penis. That's all I'm saying
It is terrible, considering you are deciding something permanently for someone else, irreparably. Also, many people regret their decision, see: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
Meh whatever
i was circumcised. im jewish. they say circumcised guys perform better
Yep circumcision reduces the sensitivity i.e. translates to less pleasure too :)
We did. It was the hardest choice I've made as a parent. I hope he is okay with our decision when he is older.
Nooo :( I'm glad my parents didn't do the same for me though to each their own.
You should have let him make the decision when he was older, rather than hope he'll accept it rather than resent you for it.
It's not a big deal. I could care less if my parents decided to circumcise me or not. Don't worry, he won't care.
It's not a big deal or big decision belle..
Mesonfielde and biggie90... I'm going to go ahead and assume meson that you're uncircumcised... You know nothing about owning a cut penis. How exactly do you guys know what it's like? You don't anymore than I know what it's like to be uncut. The one thing I do know is my penis works just fine. That's all I need to know.
Thanks November, insaan and rotinaj. I love my son more than anything and have always had his best interest at heart. For the record my husband was uncircumcised and he still wanted it for my son.
I can imagine. It would be terrible.
If you were my mother, I would hate you for that, I hope for your sake your son is different.
I hope for my sake my son is different than you too.
What's done is done girl :) never cry over spilt milk :) Guess he'll meet more women who like a circumcised penis and then he'll thank you for it :D (I've met more women who like it cut)
First of all, I don't think I would want any children. But if I change my mind, I won't get him circumcised. It'll be his choice, not mine.
*his choice, once he's an adult, if he wants to get himself circumcised...
I've heard that hurts like hell as an adult
Which means it hurta like hell as an infant, you just can't properly express it.
Did not really both me after I found out honestly I will probably have it done to my sons but who knows that is lord knows how far off I will worry about it when I actually have sons to do or not do it to.
If you read the comments that the supposed advantages are a fluke and it's done merely so that the hospitals can extort more money from people while also leaving your child permanently damaged and mutilated, maybe you'd think twice before you even think about having it done... for *someone else*.
Actually churches do it to but like I said I'm not going to worry about I'll worry about it if and when I have sons of my own. Until then I ain't even going to think about I don't care what the other comments say either their entitled to their opinion just like I am to mine.
it's always better to know more and make more informed decisions.
I already know what I need to besides to be frank what choices I make within the confines of my own home. are none of the worlds or governments business just accept that people have different opinions then yours.
I said C, I will discuss it with my husband and we can decide together what to do.
hell no! my father refuse to have me circumcised and you best believe his grandson are keeping up that tradition
I will circumcise him. It's cleaner and I don't want him to be made fun of
It's not cleaner. It's even less safe considering there is less protection around the genitals. And being made fun of, really? Freedom of choice is important. Adhering to mutilation merely due to peer pressure is an error.
Oh go join an anti-circumcision activist group why don't you
Well I could, but my country isn't so backwards thinking that we would need it.
Really? He's giving you a fact on why you shouldn't cut off a piece of your baby's body and you're telling him to join an activist group... my god..
Join one for a different country
@05Jueey, cool
What a careless attitude regarding cutting off a piece of your child. It makes me shutter. I can't even have this conversation... your decision unfortunately
You act like it's going to kill the boy. People have been doing it for centuries. For a reason. It's easier to clean it and I know a guy who isn't circumcised and he was made fun of by my friends because they found out about it. Told him stuff like, "no girl is ever gonna give you a bj" stuff like that. I don't want my son to have to go through that.
We should just chop off the cartilage around our ears then too while were at it, you know, cause its easier to clean
"People have been doing it for centuries" People have been doing MANY things for centuries... it isn't easier to clean though. You pull back the skin and clean. I wouldn't cut off a part of my kid just so they don't have to pull back a part of THEIR skin. We shouldn't adjust the human body so people will be ok with it. We have to adjust societies attitude on body types. I have been with more circumscribed than uncircumcised guys and I prefer it. Don't mean to shame you and I'm sorry if I offended. I'm super passionate about kids and just basic human rights
Then don't. You raise them how you want them raised and I'll raise mine how I want. It's a free country.
We should bring the witch burning back. People have been doing it for centuries, so there can't be ANYTHING wrong with it!
People have been doing this for ages as well, so does that make it any less wrong? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
I'm somewhat disgusted by how people rather disregard the integrity of humans just because they seem to think they own them because they birthed them. Is it really so hard to treat children as people?
Why don't you post on my answer a few more times. It's definitely going to make me change my mind.
That's what I hope for. Or, you could just read what actual male human beings say about the subject, rather than just claim that you're an omnipotent human with the power of deciding others' fates just because you feel like it, with ZERO information about the subject.
Omnipotent? Well i am a goddess :)
Well, god was cruel too, and so will you be when you actually go with your decision despite all evidence to it being wrong.
Mesonfielde you hit the nail on the head. Treat children as people. So many people seem to have such a CARELESS attitude about cutting their child's body, It truly disgusts me. If I HAD to do that to my child for a medical reason or something I would be so hurt.. and yet people think "well IDC either way." I will never understand it...
They literally are incapable of seeing the situation from their children's point of view.
Errrr... Your 'property' your choice :) but 'made fun of'? cause he's uncut? why - Not intending to bother or hassle you but 'made fun of' for having an uncut tool baffles me
Check this out to see what other mothers think after the act: www.mothering.com/.../...n-s-please-post-here.html
I probably will.
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