3 Theories on Attraction Proved Real By the Female Fandom over Khal Drogo

[pavlove]

1) You can be a jerk if that's the custom and if it's dominant

Khal rapes Dani pretty much right away. Sure, her brother said it was cool and he technically was in charge of her. And, sure, that's just the way it goes down in the Dothraki camps. But still he raped her and she ended up falling in love.

I'd argue that he wouldn't be as sexy a figure to real women if he was "the outlier" dothraki king who right away was like NO! she's special. It's as if the fact that he realized that only slowly...after being inside her against her that she's special. It is also only after she stands up to him and takes charge sexually playing into the female fantasy that women can win an otherwise dominating and all powerful man by taking sexual control.

2) Value is EVERYTHING

He is the head native American rip off chieftan guy. He is the leader of men and he chose her as his special snowflake. Would khal drogo be as sexy if he was just peon drogo? The problem is often this--with nothing else to go on, people are attracted to status. Status can be popularity as is often the case for women or physical difference and symmetry as is often the case for men. So drogo being the boss is very sexy and frames why it's so sexy that he chooses to be nice to her even though he could have any woman he wants.

3) Speak little and let women project their fantasies

Men spend a lot of time trying to be and say the right thing but why? I don't really remember khal drogo actually saying that much to Dani...he kind of just beat his chest and made violent threats to other men in the camp who tried to challenge him. yet that one little thing he said about sun and stars which is probably something every dothraki guy says became this super powered romantic declaration of undying love that Dani and female GOT fans cherish. I bet a lot of guys have this experience...you date a girl and you're kind of over the relationship and she says "remember when you said I was the first person you felt comfortable with" or " do you remember that date and we walked on the bridge and you named that star after me?" Uh...not really but sure? Khal drogo proves that if you've got the value, the looks, the dominance, you need to SAY very little. Takeaway gentelmen, don't try to be a perfectionist just say something and they'll romantize how great it is based on how you perform in other areas.

[vishna]

Drogo isn't hot in the way you make it seem (to me at least) Jason Mamoa is HOT. Him as Khal Drogo was funny bc let's be honest, his acting is shit.

I read the books first, so, 1) He did get consent from her that first night, he only knew the word no, at first Dani was like NO. Then he traced his fingertips ALL over her body and she was like YES. sidenote: homegirl was still 13, all the other nights he raped her, to Khal's people, the people in Westeros, and most of the world in that universe spousal rape did not exist. He didn't think he was doing anything bad, and she could have been with a proper Westerosi gentleman and if he had raped her, he still would have been within his rights because she was supposed to be giving up the goods. Same with cultures in our own world. I'm not saying it's right, but it was a fact. And George writes his worlds based on the one we live in.

2) He is not a native American rip off, George R. R. Martin crafted the Dothraki to be a blend of Mongol, Native American, and other cultures. I noticed Mongol influences more than anything else. He chose her because she was the most beautiful woman in the world and a princess, he wanted to get married and what's better for the guy with the biggest khalasar than Dani? Rare rare rare. Think Gaston's reasoning for wanting Belle in beauty and the beast. Him liking her, Dani is EXTREMELY charming, most people like her after a while, she's just wired that way. (and her brother resented her for that) Could her husband really resist it? No, I don't see why, Khal wasn't an evil weird guy.

3) Khal didn't speak a lot in general bc 1) most of the day he's away with his bloodriders or riding a horse for miles and miles (so, you see him less than friendzoned protector Jorah) 2) you may think he never spoke to him, but she knew Dothraki, what makes you think they never said anything in their tent? They did. 3) He knew a little of Dani's language, so, when she was talking to people in hers, what could he have said (same with her and Dothraki in the beginning) And lastly, I found book Khal way better than Jason Mamoa's version.

Haha, this was SO long XD You woke the fan!

[pavlove]

i admit i read the books except the first one since someone said its literally the first season of the show. i did know that they aged a lot of the younger characters for the show. lol ok on the mongol thing point is he didn't come up with some brand new culture out of his imagination it was rooted. lol sorry to make fun of your boyfriend!

[vishna]

XD stahp, he's not my boyfriend XD if he was, he'd be imaginary :'o You should totally read the first book, it builds backstory very well :) and gives a really robust first impression of some characters, like Cersei, Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya (loved Arya's chapters) Plus, it shows where the show randomly changed stuff for no reason (like Dany's first sexual experience)

[pavlove]

I might skip winds of winter book. That fat asshole writes too slow and now I had to learn brand new info from the show so his twists won't be so oh my damn.

[vishna]

I really wish he'd hurry, I get it takes time but I feel like anticipation is dying down as the show progresses

[pavlove]

i doubt it will be out before the season starts : l

[vishna]

same, it's been so damn long. The last one, please, I'll be married with children by then

[pavlove]

lol your kids will know how to do long division by the time it comes out

[vishna]

XD good one

[pavlove]

Lol shut up In reality he will probably die before he finishes. He's already old and carrying too much weight...

[vishna]

Don't say that, it's such a huge fear for me, what if he really dies... he's too valuable to go, there is so much more to explain. I need to know the truth about Quiathe dammit, is Dany crazy or not, will Drogon rule the world, will Nymeria and Arya meet again, what will happen to Cersei and Littlefinger... Lady Stoneheart!

[pavlove]

especially since going forward he will make different decisions than the show although probably end in the same place

[vishna]

right, I'm actually mad about that bc the show went way too fast for some things and cut stuff out that was great. Also, ok, do you remember in the books how Asha and Qarl the maid were an item. Why in the show was she gay? I didn't get that. Like if anything, where were Dani and Cerseis scenes like that...

[pavlove]

I think they sometimes want to just put gay characters where they can. I've noticed any butch woman in a show or movie now is a lesbian. I honestly don't remember if theons sister was straight in the books I think she was? Cersei seemed like a lesbian only because she seems to have gender identity issues but I don't know.

[vishna]

She was so straight, they had some steamy ass chapters (her and her beau) where I was like "oh, lord, oh my god, george... stopppp" And then in the show, she's bouncing prostitutes on her lap... it's annoying, let her be a straight and a bad ass raider. Agree on Cersei, she wants to be a man so bad, and she was just acting like Robert, how he would treat her. And someone eloquently put it that Dany used Irri as a Dothraki vibrator XD

[Blitzkrieger]

Just disinfect your wounds if you get scratched though.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Argh you punk. I was gonna make that reference.

[1truekhaleesi]

He never raped her in the books. That is all.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Well he did, but it's tricky. You can say he didn't know he was doing it.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel did you read the books?

[FýrdracaDócincel]

No but I know enough. He offered her the chance to say no, but when she was understandably not quite sure what to say, he took it as a yes and went at it.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel To quote Donald Trump, "wrong." Should've read the book instead of googling everything. I have the book and can quote it word for word.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

That's what every fan I've seen talk about this said.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel probably because they actually read the book and are sick and tired of defending a character from someone who just looked up what they wanted to know about the character on the internet.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

No I mean the thing about him giving her the chance to reject him and then going at it when gave a response other than "no"

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel again, I read the books. Several times actually. Not what happened.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel Page 108 in the paperback version. "He cupped her face in his huge hands and she looked into her eyes. "No?" he said, and she knew it was a question. She took his hand and moved it down to the wetness between her thigh. "Yes," she whispered." Not only did she consent but she initiated the sex. The book is always, always better.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Pretty sure that was after the bit where it said every night for the next X number of somethings, he took her in "typical Dothraki fashion" and she was kept awake at night because her body was in pain.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel but she didn't say no. Which is what this site that's filled with creeps is constantly arguing is not rape. She lied awake at night because she felt alone and out of place.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

I read a portion of the chapter you mention. She was in pain. I'm not one of the creeps you mentioned. Yea, she didn't say no, but she also didn't understand fully what was going on. So, way I see it, it was rape. A misunderstanding, yes, but still rape.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel hmm yes the one part you did read. Again, just pick and choose what information you want to know.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

You assume I'm biased, no doubt that's all you have to say now that I tore through your arguments like paper.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel no you didn't read the books. That doesn't make you superior. The author has repeatedly said that their story is a love story and that he didn't rape her.

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel and yes you are biased. Thought that was heavily implied and couldn't be more obvious.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

And yet the only point you can muster now is the author's word instead of evidence from the story. 😏

[pavlove]

He's got a point. Ayn rand said the protagonist didn't rape his lover because she enjoyed it. Ayn rand also said a real man takes what he wants from a woman. Just because you write a book doesn't mean you have the final say on what counts as rape

[1truekhaleesi]

@FýrdracaDócincel yeah because the authors word does dictates the whole thing. Game of thrones wouldn't exist without George RR Martin, so don't diss the author. Or else he will write a character inspired by you and murder the character like one of my beloved Starks. And yes, he has final say on his characters and how they act. I'm not going to argue for or against ayn rand just because he's an author, he sounds like a sick individual.

[pavlove]

she was a good author albeit had some bad thoughts about a man's role in relationship to women but she wrote good stories. similarly martin is an old fat man who had an idea to write a tolkienesque story subtracting the fantasy cliches. he's a fantastic writer but he's far from an authority on morality. also the show is much better than the books

[1truekhaleesi]

Call it what you want but GOT wouldn't exist without George RR Martin spending decades writing the books. Authors pour their heart and soul to make their books perfect, and then it gets trashed by Hollywood. Every time a movie or tv show is accurate to the books, it's wildly popular. Look at how well they played out for the Lord of the Rings series. Compare that to what happened to the Percy Jackson movies. They were so terrible because they weren't accurate to the books, and they had to cancel the future movies. Even the game of thrones producers realized they needed to listen to George RR Martin, when the red wedding happened.

[1truekhaleesi]

Say what you want about his books and how graphic they are but history was always much, much more worse. At least he acknowledges terrible things happened in history instead of dancing around the issues.

[pavlove]

and all i'm saying is that the fact that he's such an icon for female watchers is a little disturbing

[1truekhaleesi]

In the books, he was much different. I know he has few lines in the tv show, but in the books he learns Danyerys's language so they talk to each other. And she learned Dothraki. Also because they plotted to kill her brother by pouring melted gold down his face. Also because he ripped out the tongue of one of his advisors when he called dany a foreign whore. If you look at how cersei talks about her relationship with King Robert, cersei considered it rape. When dany looks back on her relationship with drogo, she doesn't consider it rape and she remembers how much she loved him and that she'll never find someone like drogo.

[Scrambledagain]

Fact. The tv series, it is rape. thats the image Pavlov is rightfully talking about. Books are irrelevant here. That is all.

[1truekhaleesi]

@Scrambledagain if it wasn't for the books, the tv series wouldn't exist. Don't diss the author especially when George RR Martin spent decades writing them to make them perfect. And yes, the book is always better. There is no exceptions. You can't please people. One minute they're complaining that millennials need to get off the technology, but when you see one that is passionate about books, people say they're just books and that they're irrelevant.

[Scrambledagain]

You are talking about the merits of the book vs the series which has absolutely nothing, ... NOTHING to do with what Pavlov is talking about. Nobody has to read any book ever to get the takeaway here.

[1truekhaleesi]

@Scrambledagain they kind of do but I don't expect you to understand. Mainly because I am sick of tired of the classic, "that's not what happened in the book" arguments.

[Scrambledagain]

Lol... it doesn't matter what you think. Fact is, your opinion has deviated from the subject. You = the books, the books 😢 (Which is fair, but not the subject here) Pavlov= the image projected by Drogo in the series that women fall for. Ever seen Vikings? Rolo is also a panty dropper for women. He also raped a girl. Same concept. I've never seen any books on it but I don't need to.

[1truekhaleesi]

@Scrambledagain then don't drag a beloved character's name through them the dirt. Title should be, "why people should pick up a book, and not judge someone based on the tv show."

[pavlove]

Well I think the female fandom is over the show khal drogo not the book I don't think a lot of women knew about the books before the show

[Scrambledagain]

Nobody cares about the books lol. You still missing the point, badly lol The title, to be specific should of been "3 theories of... blah... blah... Khal Drogo as depicted in the HBO series Game of Thrones". Would that make it better? I've never heard one female friend be in love with this dude from the books. It's always that hot, built dude from the series.

[1truekhaleesi]

@Scrambledagain than people are idiots. Especially those that say nobody cares about the books. Which you happen to fall under. Well, you clearly need to get out more. Specifically to Comic-con or a library.

[Scrambledagain]

Look... I really don't want to knock you or insult you, but can you not see the principles in this take? Books are irrelevant here. It's about attraction and what women go for. You are arguing a different subject all together. I don't need to read the books, neither does anybody on the planet to understand what is being said here if they have seen the series. Even if all women loved Drogo in the books, it's not the series which this take refers too? Lol... and getting out more to comic conventions or libraries isn't my definition of getting out. It's almost as if Drogo is real and you defending him 😳

[1truekhaleesi]

@Scrambledagain I would sooner defend a beloved character than myself or a stupid decision I made. I don't expect you to understand because I don't think you are much of a reader. You obviously haven't met true book nerds. Which is why I said you should go to the library more often but I doubt you know the nearest one to you is. Even if women are attracted to a rapist, they obviously have serious problems. Unfortunately men here think they now everything about women when they really don't. You can argue that women love attractive felons all you want I will care so little, I might pass out. Just don't drag a favorite character through the mud in the process because you can't sit still long enough to read a book. Again I don't expect you to understand that I prefer books to humans.

[Scrambledagain]

... ok Lol... you explained yourself perfectly. If you prefer books to those who write books then so be it🤔 Won't go further. I love libraries. I actually find it sad that people don't go there anymore. It's so quiet. But digital books have taken over or you can just order online. I read a lot, like female psychology (actually got a distinction In a female psychopathology module I did in criminology), escort biographies, bdsm books, relationship books (like men are from Mars women are from Venus), pick up books, self development books and my favorite... I'm very interested how evolution and dating link up. I read a lot on the natural sciences. So yeah forgive me if I don't know much about the books (not that it's applicable to this take) but I do have some academic understanding of human behaviour within a dating context.

[Anonymous]

Your takes are going downhill.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

That implies they've ever been uphill...

[Opinion Owner]

Hahahahah well thought :)