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Women around the world can often be seen wearing either a hijab, niqab, or a burka. Generally speaking the idea behind these garments as told to me, is to allegedly make a woman more modest, less vain, safer, reflect the teachings of her religion, and/or make a clear distinction that she is a woman. As a Westerner, surprise-surprise, I disagree with a lot of this, first and foremost, because for a lot of women it is not a choice to wear these garments. It's more of a, you don't wear this, and we'll kill you, or ruin you and your family, or shun you which kind of really goes against the idea of safety. Like seeing a woman's face or her neck or an ankle is grounds for killing her?!? I can't imagine why I or any other woman would be offended or angered by that, especially since men of these same cultures don't have to abide by the same rules, and not only that, they tend to be male dominated societies to begin with who dictate law without means of democracy.
As far as vanity, from the outside looking in, it would appear that these women couldn't possibly put much effort into their physical appearance, or why would they because as with the burka, no one can actually see them, but a lot of these women who are allowed to disrobe in single sex company admit that they are just as vain as their western counterparts spending a fair amount of time shopping for and doing their make-up because it will be seen by other women. This is of course not every woman, but vanity exists within these cultures, you simply don't see it out on the streets because it's essentially outlawed.
When it comes to this idea that it is for a woman's safety that she cover up because men are apparently so vile that they cannot contain themselves, well, I find that assertion absurd. I have the same problem in the US when a woman dresses in a sexy manner, with men that say that, well, she wouldn't have been raped at that party if she'd been wearing a sweater. I literally just saw on the news the story of an 80 year old who was raped. Guess who rapes people? RAPISTS! They don't care how young or old you are or what you're wearing, they are sick in the head, but guess what, how many other men are walking around on the street or at parties like that, who don't rape women because or what they are wearing and I don't know, they actually care/respect women, they aren't sick in the head, and they can look at a girl and be like, yeah, she's sexy, but I don't want to hold her down and force her to have sex with me...because I'm not a rapist!
Burkas/Hijabs, or any kind of covering do not prevent incidences of rape or some men from doing and saying terrible things to women. There are many first hand accounts of women wearing such garments that report the same things that women in the west report--cat calling, groping, lude comments, and even in some cases, actual kidnapping and/or rape. You have to keep in mind that in the majority of these countries, even worse than the west, rape is severely under reported. In a lot of these countries rape is not even recognized as a crime to begin with making it pretty much a done deal that if you are raped there will be no recourse and if you come forward, few if anybody male or female will support you out of fear or out of knowledge that nothing will be done other than victim blaming/shaming and/or your own or your families ruin. That's incredibly convenient then for a male dominated society to have men come out and say, of course these things prevent rape or lude comments...look at how no women are reporting rape or harassment when they probably wouldn't even publish the story or allow the court case if these women did.
If you are a woman who wears these items because you want to and you feel it does provide these things for you, then by all means, who am I to tell you what you think and feel and experience, but it should be your choice, and not something forced upon you. A lot of these cultures do not support women's rights on even a basic level, so it's incredibly hard to then make the point that these clothing items when not worn optionally are helpful and promote women in a positive way because why would you need to force something on women if it's so incredibly helpful and benefits all.
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14 45It's just islam being oppressive to women, they are second class citizens, no 2 ways about it
Firstly burka and niqab aren't Islamic they were there before Islamic , a woman who wears niqb or burka don't get extra credit over the hijabi
Hijab ain't made for making women feel safe or to protect her from the eyes of men
Hijab got another meaning at all
And hijab is an outer worship
Means you should be honest , loyal , respectful , etc all the good morals then consider wearing the hijab
It's just we're divided between two extremes one are women wearing niqab and extreme men in worship which they know shit about religion and between people almost naked and got no standards
I couldn't care less about people , although I am strongly aganist "the idea of gay marriage " but I support its existence as a human right of doing what you want as long as "you're not hurting anyone " , I am talking about the ideology most of these extremes have
I like your attitude in this myTake. In my opinion, the best way for a man to show that he's "cured" is letting others see how much he appreciates his girl/wife.
as like you say you are from a western country and that's why I don't know exactly what I have to think about some of the things you have written.
True that.
Another feminist playing the victim
no? She actually addressed an issue that is very controversial, and it's something many men think about to, as it arouses many questions about different stuff regarding women position in society, how should human beings regulate their desires, religions etc..
They are forced to cover themselves up because men might rape them? Wow, this is an example of "real oppression".
As for the forcing thing. There are literally hundreds of millions of Muslim women who would wear the hijab regardless, for reasons ranging from believing it's a religious commitment to culture to being so used to it. I live in Egypt, for most women i know, if you see their hair, you have fucked up their privacy, they will feel so upset, I reckon it's the same for women in places that are just used to cover their faces.
Here there are no laws forced by the government about Hijab at all, yes many families will object to takin off the hijab, but it's nothing, millions of women have the chance to just take that veil off when they go out and no family members can see them, they don't though, even if they travel to the west they don't either.. they just wear the hijab cuz they believe they have to, or cuz they want to.
Yes there are individual cases where women have no other choice, but generally this is not the case.
If you don't believe me just go to random arab places online and use GT to ask them why they wear hijab or niqab..
So?
News flash?
The sand people are completely uncivilised degenerates?
I knew that already.
No one wears that thing on the right. I live in the most Islamic place in the world and I never saw that. The reason women wear hijab is to send a message to all men that she isn't down for hook ups or fun or whatever you want to call it.
Yet in some cases, it is forced. and in some cases they do wear the bed sheet otherwise it would not exist and there would not be evidence of it. now most do wear the magic scarf yes
The fact that a woman waking alone in the middle East guaranteed to be gang raped is proof of that
Can i just say that it's not allegedly, that's the reason it exists, there is no way around it. If you ask a Muslim why it exists they'll tell you the same, there are hundreds of videos on the internet of people doing so. I saw one on Rebel Media.
In their place of worship, the mosque, women have to pray behind all the men because men may get distracted.
The religion is sexist as fuck, they punish women for their own desires.
Have you ever seen how muslims pray? It's not just about men getting distraced, women would find it very freaking uncomfortable to pray in front of man considering how we pray. and no women are not punished for men desire.. if you transgress only you will get messed up by the law, the victim will just receive apologies from the society for the mistreat.
all of this means nothing to me. forced circumcision of men in these countries is the norm but wearing a face veil should be her choice? get your head out of your ass and address issues concerning all genders instead of focusing only on women.
Typical BS from someone that doesn't know what they're talking about.
Fist of all a burka/hijab won't cure men of evil because it isn't supposed to be a cure for evil. It won't prevent rape either because it that's not it's purpose. Simply put it's a religious covering that they wear because it was ruled by god. I bet you didn't know Muslim women must cover when praying and reading holy scripture, even when they're in the safety of their own home. Really? Women are killed for not covering? I'd be surprised if you could name me countries where that occurs. Women aren't killed in Saudi Arabia for not covering, where they take religion pretty seriously. They're not killed in Indonesia, Pakistan or India which are countries with the largest Muslim population. So clearly it's not a religious mainstream/orthodox practice or belief. I mean where is the evidence for your ridiculous claims? You clearly know nothing about the issue. To conclude, just STFU.
In Saudi women aren't slowed to drive, that's ridiculous, I want a wife who can drive me home from the pub after I've had a skin full!
@Bezbozhnikustanka Don't see how that's relevant.
The burka has been used several times by even white man but mostly terrorists to conceal their identity. On top of which, even if it weren't about terrorism- its sexist and oppressive.
I feel sorry for the women who stand by it and their religion.. I will never ever support the ethics of religions like mormonism, scientology, and islam.. All of which show that Religion is a political tool and is best used as philosophy and folklore. Religion should be kept a safe distance from society but much like the media, it used for evil.
Religion isn't even best used for philosophy. It's just the opium of the masses, based on pure belief, and it's only purpose is to uphold civility through a guilt/reward system. Mind you, it needs to exist, but only for the sheeple.
If people enjoy being muslim, it's their choice. I wouldn't want to because I'm not covering my skin and idolizing a rapist.
But some families are muslim so their kids will be and some people just support the values.
It's not meant to cure men of evil it's meant to control women. A woman on her own in Muslim countries is gurateed to get gang raped in public.
www.jstor.org/.../1395067
For the vast majority of women that wear some form of veil in the muslim world they do it out of identity and a resistance to western colonial influence.
I wear because Jesus' mom would wear it! She is my role model.