Alright. I Gotta Say Something About “Body Positivity”

[ManOnFire]

So I know this has been a topic for a long time and I never much cared about it until now. But I really do see how the whole “body positivity” thing is not really positive, but actually is negative and promotes laziness.

Women naturally have more fat

To be clear, I myself like a “thick” woman, but not the ones who are truly overweight with flabby bodies and thighs that are just overflowing with cellulite. Mild cellulite is going to be normal for most women’s bodies, especially as they get older and have had kids, and that’s completely okay, but very bad cases of it in very overweight women who want the world to see them as beautiful is not okay.

Good kind of "thick"

Good kind of "thick"

Women’s bodies are naturally designed to carry more fat, and some thickness in a woman’s arms, legs, breasts, or butt is typically going to be sexually appealing because of fullness and roundness. I like that too. But celebrating serious obesity in women with flabs of fat is far from good.

Fat as sexiness

To be fair, I do know that there are men who truly do like overweight women, and the women classified as ‘ssbw,’ and there are a lot of men who will secretly have sex with very overweight women if the opportunity presents itself. Most men are still going to be turned on if a fat woman takes him in a room and gets on her knees to suck his dick, or if she's in any sexual position. Few men are going to reject that I’m sure.

This is sadly why you do have a lot of obese women walking around believing they’re entitled to having any man they want and that being fat and unhealthy is no issue. Except they don’t realize that most men are not going to get into a serious relationship with an obese woman, they will just use her for free sex if she’s offering it. So now obese women have come to be seen as sexy, and there’s even tons of porn about it and it really is sickening.

Body positivity hurts more than helps

I know there are going to be women who want to direct attention to fat men or talk about how the world is okay with them, so let me say this: the vast majority of fat men know they’re fat and they know they usually aren’t going to get an attractive woman. They may want them, but they know they aren’t going to get them. Fat men also acknowledge that they’re lazy and is the reason why they’re fat - I’ve even had fat male co-workers poke fun at themselves about it.

Fat men are not begging the world to accept them as they are. Fat women are. They are the ones asking the world to accept them for being overweight, to still see them as beautiful, and wanting men to still want them. It simply is laziness, when you know well that you can be proactive and change your body. You can better your diet and go workout. Exercising has always been the key to improving your body and burning fat the most.

Body positivity also promotes poor health in the name of seeing an overweight woman as beautiful just because she’s a woman and needs to be told things to make her “feel good about herself.” It’s utter foolishness. So we’re supposed to make your ego feel healthy and loved instead of your physical health, which can break down a lot sooner. Living with a body full of fat is not good for your heart, blood pressure, or even your breathing. Obesity leads to all kinds of issues like diabetes and cancer, and more women die from obesity than men do. That should be an eye opener about “body positivity” for women.

Women like Lizzo - who has a very pretty face - claim they don’t care what people think about her body. But overtime Lizzo herself will eventually care and want to change it. As she gets older I guarantee it’s going to start mattering to her. It has happened to many women in Hollywood who started out overweight and then decided to start changing it. Because they come to realize that it’s honestly not so much about what other people think of them, but how they themselves feel about their image and their overall health or even their ability to do things.

It has to end

As I said earlier, women are designed to carry some fat, and a thick woman can be very sexy. But our modern day glorification of true obesity is sick and does women no favors. Stop feeling bad about yourself and wanting the world to glorify you just because you want to be lazy and not change it. Put your health and your ability to do things before your ego and actively change your life. I refuse to sit here and talk about some 300lb woman with a double chin, flabby stomach, and droopy boobs as being “beautiful,” nor would I ever even encourage my daughter that it’s okay to be fat if I had one.

Telling women they’re obese and gorgeous is not only a terrible lie but does an incredible disservice to their health and their lifestyle, especially in an already modern society full of laziness, poor diets, and overweightness. We should be teaching women that being healthy is sexy, not looking like Jabba the Hutt.

[CrimsonAngel09]

Meanwhile I'm 5'0" at 142 and possibly dropping due to hardly eating for the past three weeks due to mouth surgery. If I lose like maybe 4 or 5 pounds more, I'd be perfectly skinny. But as twisted as this world is, I've even been called "obese". Also the amount of people who say that even if you have just a little bit of stomach, you're automatically unhealthy.

Well shit, I should have a shit ton of health issues then.

Even by people in here I've been called obese, despite never having posted photos of my body in here. Because of people like that, back in school, and other places online, I deal with body dysmorphia.

My Mom was in the morbidly obese range being over 300+ pounds, due to the majority of health issues. Failing kidneys, sleep apnea, heart issues, lymphedema in the legs, diabetes since pregnant with my sister in '92, you name it.

She died on my Dad's Birthday on July 15th, 2020 at 7:22PM.

Then there's these two.

YouTubers Nikocado Avocado and HungryFatChick.

Both of them are in the morbidly obese range, and binge eat like you see above. HFC seems like a sweet person, and Nick went from a skinny raw nice vegan to a not so skinny and NOT nice fast food eater.

These two buy large amounts of fast food once, to twice, or even three times a day. I occasionally eat fast food myself, but I would never go this far. I don't understand how someone could let themselves go to this extreme. Both breathe hard just sitting there, and Nick sleeps with a CPAP machine and rides on a scooter when he goes shopping. Craziest part is, they're around my age. HFC also gets around with a walker, due to difficulties in walking.

I see my Mom and these two, and I vow not to get to that level. I already deal with body dysmorphia not being perfectly skinny, tall, and with perky breasts. Being 200 pounds more would make me feel so much worse.

[ManOnFire]

I think it's sick too that people would still want to call a woman with an average healthy body size obese. And they also do it in Korea like crazy, they literally want their women to be bone thin with an enormous gap between their legs. I have a buddy who thinks these kinds of Asian women are hot and he'll send me pics of them and I just get so angry because I can't see how in the world anybody could find a fake looking Asian girl sexy, who got her nose and chin cut down to points and has skin white like paper. Very sorry that happened on your dad's birthday. Terrible.

[Jonnyanalog]

I agree. There’s a good analogy: if someone was about to drive off a cliff, would you warn them and try to help them from doing so?
what you said about feeding egos rather than telling someone the truth is what is sadly lacking in society. We tip toe around people so as to not damage their fragile egos rather than tell them the truth even if it’s inconvenient. Morbid obesity is a serious, life-threatening condition that can and most likely WILL kill you no matter how positive you think you feel about yourself.
I get some people are more genetically prone to this condition and some try to slim down. That’s a lifelong challenge just as I have a lifelong challenge of gaining and maintaining weight. It’s something I’ve struggled with my entire life. Am I sitting on my ass, feeling sorry for myself and expecting people to accept my skinny ass because well that’s just how I am? He’ll no! I bust ass every day working out and eating better than I ever have. I’m making progress but I feel good about myself (most days) because I’m taking steps to better my situation rather than wallow in self pity.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly. That is the key, resolving to change your life. Not sitting around whining about how no one accepts you for wanting to be crippled.

[Apple1996]

I don't see what's wrong with women being confident in their bodies even if they are fat. Like would you rather they be depressed and cry about how they are fat? 😂

Good my take tho I see your point but I just don't agree with it

[DextroShade]

The problem is confidence has to be earned, and being fat is not an achievement any more than being homeless is.

[Apple1996]

@DextroShade self confidence only has to be earned from yourself. Also sure if a homeless person is confident then idgaf either. There is no reason to hate on someone's confidence

[DextroShade]

Unearned self-confidence would be more accurately described as delusion.

[Apple1996]

@DextroShade still I don't get why it matters? If you don't like someone loving themselves then ignore them

[DextroShade]

I don't have a problem with fat women loving themselves, the problem is when I or any other man expresses a preference for fit women these same fat women lose their shit and start hurling insults and shaming language at us. You can be as confident as you want but you aren't entitled to be found attractive by others. There is nothing wrong with me refusing to date fat women any more than there is for you to refusing to date homeless men.

[Apple1996]

@DextroShade having preferences is a cop out to being a shallow person. I will judge anyone with preferences because it's just not what someone should be in a relationship for when they should really only be choosing someone for love and not anything else. Unless it's for hookups then I don't judge cause they are just shallow for doing that anyway and they own up to it. Being shallow in relationships is sickening

[DextroShade]

So you would marry a homeless guy?

[Apple1996]

@DextroShade I'm already married but if my husband became homeless I would still love him. Also I got with him wayy before he even had a job and had a baby with him during that time. Him not having a job didn't bother me (I get that's not homeless since he was living with his family but still similar in a way)

[DextroShade]

Just admit that if he had been living in a tent for the past few years when you first saw him you wouldn't give him the time of day.

[Apple1996]

@DextroShade nah I'm really not like that. I would have happily gotten with a homeless person if i loved them. Also I was homeless for a short bit so I know how much it sucks to be in that situation 😕

[TooHot2Care]

"I don't see what's wrong with women being confident in their bodies" That's not what they do tho. They wake up insecure as fuck and make it everyone else's problem.

[ManOnFire]

@apple1996 I would want them crying and being depressed about it in the hopes that it will motivate them to want to change for the better.

[Apple1996]

I'm sure most fat women already are depressed and cry about it in private. There is no point in being mean to them. That's not gonna make them wanna change

[ManOnFire]

That's not being mean. They're crying about it when they should be turning those tears into action. Look, people of today have more ability to fix their bodies than we ever have, and a lot of it doesn't even cost nearly as much as what they spend on bad food or XXXL clothing in a year. I get it if you feel bad about yourself, but don’t wallow in it, try to change it.

[Apple1996]

When someone has a addiction them crying about it does not motivate them into wanting to change. They need care and support. Not people telling them to be ashamed of themselves. Most of us don't respond well to negativity.

[TooHot2Care]

You've never actually seen these "body positive" communities in action, have ya, sport?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's because being fat is objectively a bad thing and it's not even just for women. Everybody should be health conscious. You can be confident about how fat you are but that doesn't mean you're going to keep it that way and boost your confidence about your bad habits. Telling someone to lose weight is just like telling someone to stop doing drugs or to stop drinking alcohol which is completely different from shaming which you always like to comprehend

[Jonnyanalog]

You can care and support them all they want but you can’t change them. If they don’t want to make changes then it’s on them. All your support is wasted and useless. I’ve been through some challenges in my life and the people I was going to see, who were professionals, told me straight up; you are hereto make a change. If you’re hear to waste my time, the door is right there. See ya.” It’s called tough love. Something these younger generations don’t get. You can’t tip toe around someone’s feelings. Sometimes people need to hear the truth and sometimes that truth is inconvenient or blunt.

[inhua]

body positivity is just for fat feminist women. it doesn't include fat men even if those men are feminists too

[ManOnFire]

That's a good point.

[strateguy632]

i loved your conclusion and your conrast between praise fat lady to men.

[CubsterShura]

"you do have a lot of obese women walking around believing they’re entitled to having any man they want and that being fat and unhealthy is no issue."

No you're talking a very reasonable statement and screwing it up. Regardless of your body type or weight you are deserving of seeking love, sex, romance etc if you wish so and you are allowed to look and feel good about yourself and beautify by the means of fashion, makeup, lingerie etc and this is why it is perfectly reasonable to demand for fat models on the runway and ad campaigns because customers want to see how clothing will look on body types similar to theirs. And just because they aren't your type doesn't mean that you get to treat them like shit, which is unfortunately the reality for women who aren't considered conventionally attractive and there is plenty of discourse on the internet about it. Although I don't believe in comparing beauty and putting it on a scale because it's subjective, yet to make things simple even the ugliest woman on the planet is under no obligation to go out their way to look good and no one has the right to treat her like anything less than a valuable human being. Now keep in mind I'm strictly talking about looks and not factoring in hygiene practices and stuff. So I'm not speaking of looking unattractive by wearing dirty clothes, nails, teeth etc.

[CubsterShura]

Oh and forgot to mention plenty of fat women have boyfriends and husbands so the idea that fat women can't/won't find a loving partner is utter BS. I'm not saying that it can't be challenging, but it's nothing all that uncommon either. I know many who have amazing loving partners and it's great for them and you are never too fat/unattractive for something like that.

[LostandFound__x]

I’m going to be really honest and to be fair I don’t care if I get cancelled. I will never understand why some “fat” women wear really revealing clothes. To the point where it looks bad or funny. I know we should embrace our bodies and I myself struggle with body image. But, come on.

[ManOnFire]

But do you still think it's okay for them to be fat and not want to do anything about it.

[LostandFound__x]

No I don't think this should be encouraged. It's wrong vs right.

[sheenagwapa]

there's a diet Keto doet and i tried dpunh trial about the food if it's sustainable because i'm not gonna sacrifice my love foe food over nice body and found out it is attainable. i just don't have the money to finamce it. so yoy guys please check it out if you wany


when it comes to sexual
attraction despite beinh far i thought only men who love you will get tturnwd on but it's not true i agree.


health as motivation i find that to be no effect on me dressinh up though has huge effect on me so motivqte yourself in whatever that works for yoy.


i still live myself though whatever my size and no plans on sacrificing my mental health for instance for nice body. NEVER!

[Archferret]

Is it a good idea for people who are insecure about wearing glasses to take them off for photos every time, and avoid posting pictures of themselves with glasses?

[Reem12345reem]

Fat people themselves don't promote this body positivity, they know the experience they have as being fat bc it's harch , no one actually wants to be fat , and I don't promote for this BUT fat people are also human and instead of body shaming them we should work on how to actually SOLVE their problem INSTEAD of MAKING THEM FEEL ASHAMED AND GUILTY OF THEMSELVES bc when people feel these undesired emotions they're eating habits will become worse and start to develop emotional eating , now what people don't understand about FOOD ADDICTION or binge eating is that they're ACTUALLY eating disorders , not just anorexia or these things , my dad smokes but he's not addicted to smoking however his friend smokes but he's actually addicted to it , so bc YOU yourself aren't addicted to food , that doesn't mean that OTHER people can be addicted to it , just like drinking too , some people can be addicted to it , some people aren't, YOU KNOW WHY? Bc people handle their feelings/problems differently , u can be addicted to work (which is in society is a praised addiction) or u can be addicted to shopping (which isn't praised by society) but at the end of the day we all handle our emotions problems in different ways despite the consequences, no one wakes up and says they want to be fat , they want to be drug addicts , at the surface , yes it may seem like that bc they're putting action to it , but on a deeper level it's not , so BODY POSITIVE can be helpful in some sort of way

[Reem12345reem]

And being addicted to smthg doesn't mean ur lazy or that u lack will power , I've seen most of fat people/women go on diets and actually try to lose weight but they just fall back or regain it back bc guess what? They didn't solve their emotional eating , same as drug addicts , they try and try and then go back when they're stressed , and this is ACTUALLY a NORMAL way for your body to respond and it's just an attempt to solve your problem (at least at the subconscious level) so just by will power or motivation can't solve the problem bc it's only short term and not long term and that's why most diets fail and people stay fat/addicted

[Reem12345reem]

and just for people to know , that when u judge/shame these people ur actually laughing at human suffering

[TooHot2Care]

"no one actually wants to be fat" LMFAO. "INSTEAD of MAKING THEM FEEL ASHAMED AND GUILTY OF THEMSELVES" They should be ashamed. Next.

[Reem12345reem]

Why would u waste time shaming them when u can find better ways to solve their problem? U real intentions from shaming them isn't to help them or motivate them , it just projects how u like destroying humans

[ManOnFire]

@reem12345reem "and I don't promote for this BUT fat people are also human and instead of body shaming them we should work on how to actually SOLVE their problem INSTEAD of MAKING THEM FEEL ASHAMED AND GUILTY OF THEMSELVES" - I did just solve the problem. By telling them to work on themselves instead of sitting around supporting their bad habits and laziness. So if convicts started whining about how everyone shames them for doing crime, and they started pushing for a 'convict positivity' movement, would you support them? Or would you tell them don't do the crime and you won't be shamed? Hmmmm.

[TooHot2Care]

It's called a gym. . . . . And its not my duty to make every tubbo get off their ass and do something with their lives.

[Reem12345reem]

@manonfire u didn't get my point , shaming them isn't a way to help them stop the "crime"

[Reem12345reem]

@TooHot2Care you're clearly not willing to handle this with an open mind , so stop complaining , and by open mind I don't mean supporting unhealthy habits but I mean supporting the attempt to slve the problem

[ManOnFire]

@reem12345reem Why is it shaming them for suggesting alternatives for them to change their lives?

[Reem12345reem]

I didn't understand your question

[ManOnFire]

@reem12345reem You said "shaming them isn't a way to help them stop the "crime" " So my question is, why is it shaming them for suggesting alternatives for them to change their lives?

[Reem12345reem]

It doesn't , plus the way u suggest it also plays a role , and most of these suggestion don't work

[ManOnFire]

@reem12345reem Nah, that's just ridiculous. You're asking people to tread lightly on these women's feelings in the name of not hurting them, when you wouldn't be saying the same thing for overweight men. At some point people have to learn to get past their self-pity and put in work to change themselves.

[Reem12345reem]

I didn't say fat women/men , I said fat PEOPLE , and why would I shame people for struggling with their weight instead of finding ways that actually work for them?

[TooHot2Care]

Because a lot of em don't struggle... Most of em join "body positivity" and shun people who try to make positive changes. Fuck em.

[coverboyoutlawbrady]

Everyone thinks black men are into fat broads, but this 70-year-old black Canadian lad doesn't and NEVER HAVE given an obese woman a first, let alone second look.(Wonder if that's because I'm a handsome, boyish chap with a 160 IQ?)

[genericname85]

"being positive" about your body is the wrong solution for obesity.

[Mellowguy1]

The "Body Positivity" movement is leading women to sterility and an early grave. It is a glorification of laziness and the ugly.

[Staximus]

Obeast

[DextroShade]

The body positivity movement is a cruel lie that is destroying a lot of people. I have a deal for these women: I will say obese women are sexy when I see young attractive women seriously dating basement dwellers and homeless guys.

[Twalli]

That's the problem with body positivity. You should not feel that you are ugly. Yet being told you're obese, fat, morbidly obese is not body shaming. It's a medical fact.

[OddBeMe]

Well currently we have body shaming, I’d argue and it’s not getting us anywhere.

Body positive could get people feeling good which gets them out and productive…inadvertently losing weight.

[ManOnFire]

Nah it's doing the opposite. It's encouraging women to want to stay obese and post themselves on social media with the attitude "this is how I am and you can go fuck yourself if you don't like it." They don't want to change or be healthy at all.

[OddBeMe]

So obviously you think “body positivity” is more mainstream than body shaming? Not sure if you checked the reality tv shows lately…not that I do either.

[ManOnFire]

Doesn't matter which one is more mainstream. What does is that 'body positivity' has increasingly been the go-to attitude for obese women who flock to that instead of wanting to improve.

[OddBeMe]

Well for your theory to be valid body positivity has to be mainstream. As even obese tv watchers are average viewers.

[DreamLife7]

Why are you obsessed with fat women?

[DreamLife7]

The first lady in blue with the afro looks great

[kaifeedle]

I agree she does, the good kind of ‘thick’ not 300 pounds :)

[PhllyGuy99]

I think big girls are hot

[BatsinCaves9]

The reality from this “body positivity” is that it’s promoted towards people who are not doing anything to take good care of themselves. No normal person is going to tell you this is okay. End of discussion.

[Anonymous]

The useful part of the "body positivity" movement is not to beat yourself up too much over not living up to the ideal. This is helpful insofar as you're more able to do the work needed to move closer to the ideal if you're not going overboard feeling bad about yourself. But this is a very, VERY small part of what's metastasized into the "movement" you're likely referring to. Note the key here is the whole point of not feelling too bad is to BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK to improve--not just to feel better.

What this nonsense has become is a rejection of the concept of "better" to begin with. It's been with us a long time. Cultural relativism which underpins a lot of the multi-cultural push in the West over the past several decades is the (nonsense) idea that you can't say one culture is any better or any worse than another. It was MEANT to try to cut down on prejudice but has had the effect of slowing or even stopping the improvement of underperforming cultures. Now with nonsense like "body positivity" and "different ways of knowing" or "my truth" or "lived experience" we're taking the damage from the level of the group (culture) and bringing it to the individual. If no one is any more attractive than anyone else, why put in the work to be attractive? If no one is smarter than anyone else, why put in the work to learn? Etc., etc. At it's core, it's a nihilistic philosophy that underpins this stupidity.

[ManOnFire]

It seems like our modern day culture is trying to make everyone feel or be a winner even if they're not. And we're rewarding people or lifting them up for doing absolutely nothing or for even doing the wrong thing. This is why we are not better as a people, especially in USA.

[Jonnyanalog]

The culture is bringing people down a lowest common denominator all while labeling and sub labeling everything and everybody. Society and modern day culture needs to stop this nonsense and bring people up. This is what communism does. Devalues everyone and pushes people down not build them up.

[Anonymous]

Thoughts about skinny girls?

[ManOnFire]

Naturally skinny women are what they are. But I don't advocate the need for women to slim down like bony Hollywood girls either. That's also not healthy.