Are women more illogical than men?

[Anonymous]

It would seem that the answer is "yes": Guys think using logic, girls think using emotion. Or am I missing something?

Girls think that being pinned down and choked the fuck out during sex makes them feel "safe" and "protected".

They have normal thin bodies then post photos of themselves asking "Am I fat?".

They walk around dressed the same way a prostitute dresses when she's trying to attract the most clients then wonder why or get offended when guys only wanna use them for sex and not actually date them.

They tell their boyfriends "I'm fine" when something's really bothering them then later get mad at him for not realizing she meant the opposite.

They watch lesbian porn while claiming to be 100% straight.

They moan and scream during intercourse when they're least likely to orgasm but are mostly silent when they masturbate and have an almost 100% chance of reaching orgasm.

These are the main examples I can think of that make women seem quite illogical. And sorry if you're a girl who doesn't fit into any of these stereotypes, I'm just talking about the general picture here. I'm sure girls can come up with an equally long list of things guys do that seem illogical as well, and I'm quite keen to hear them.

So who are the more illogical creatures, men or women?

[lilaqua]

These aren't really examples of logic but showcase usually female examples of the illogical nature of human existence. Some just aren't all that relevant.
1. one is not true, and is also not unique to women since the majority of men have an underlying inclination towards submission (eg. men want their chicks to fuck other men while they watch/sit on their face but they feel loved).
2. Men are the same, "is my cock big enough?". It's called being insecure, we're all insecure.
4. This isn't illogical as much as being passive aggressive and an example of emotional manipulation. In reality it's incredibly logical since she's effectively trying to channel her anger out of an emotional space and into one she can reach a certain goal.
5. This is complex but is an example of the differences in male and female sexuality, I'm not going into it because a) you don't care and b) won't listen
6. This actually has a very logical reason. Most women masturbate purely externally, clit only. This is usually mostly silent and it a lot of the time has to be. Sex on the other hand incorporates penetration, which for me at least is where the vocalisations come in. Plus there's something about the performative aspect of sex that actually heightens the experience and turns me on. This again at worst could be called lying, which isn't exactly the same thing as being illogical.

[Asker]

1. "The majority of men have an underlying inclination towards submission", where on earth did you get that from? Sure, guys like that exist but I wouldn't say they're in the majority. 4. Doesn't lying about your emotions to the one person who could comfort you the most conflict with your end goal? 5. Why are you assuming I don't care and won't listen? We've never spoken to each other before so you wouldn't know me well enough to make that judgement. 6. Even when women masturbate using dildos that are bigger than most dicks they still don't make anywhere near as much noise. Also, the clit has the most nerve endings of a woman's genitals while the interior walls of the vagina have much less. So how can penetrative sex induce greater vocalizations? If that's not illogical then I agree it's a form of lying or exaggerated acting.

[lilaqua]

1. There is a study from Quebec university that you can check out and yeah humans as a whole are more inclined towards submission either way 4. Not necessarily. It's likely women that do this are users, they want to control their partner through this method 5. Generalisation, but I've had to do it about 10 times on here and i'm over it 6. The sensations are completely different. A clit simulated feels world's apart from a vagina. Think about it like this, you stroking your dick and being pegged feel very different. For me it's weird because I only really make noise like big ones if someone else is doing it, not myself. Again, it's not illogical it's probably likely very logical if they're lying to achieve an end.

[Asker]

1. Well first time I hear of that. Whenever polls are created on here asking "Are you more dominant or submissive?", the majority of guys vote dominant. 4. Oh, but I think girls who aren't users do this too. 5. Fair enough. 6. Yeah I've heard that before as well, that girls are more likely to moan simply because someone else is doing it. But then why aren't guys the same? And how can being silent when doing it to yourself and screaming loud enough to alert the neighbours when someone else is doing it be perfectly authentic? It's the major difference rather than a small or gradual one that leaves me scratching my head.

[lilaqua]

6. porn man, porn. All you guys want horse dongs as a result, we were told to scream.

[Asker]

Ah, so it is fake. Question though: Isn't faking the intensity of your pleasure simply to please your partner something that would quickly and easily become exhausting and tiresome? If being more inclined to be silent felt more natural to me (which it does), I can't imagine enjoying sex if I have to act and "put on a show" for my partner simply due to their unrealistic and unfair expectations of how I should act. So why do girls do it?

[lilaqua]

because it's fun

[lilaqua]

oh shit, I just read up about the biological reason why women are vocal during sex. It's a mechanism to call out to other men effectively.

[Asker]

Really? I thought back then it was men who were promiscuous while women weren't. I don't think the men back then would have tolerated other men being with their women. Or maybe they would moan to call out to other men not to say "Come join in" or "Come get me" but as a way of saying "I'm taken" so that guys would see her copulating and realize they lossed their chance and should look elsewhere for a mate. Also, I think I read that women had bisexual tendencies back then as that was what attracted men, something like that. So maybe they were moaning to call out to other women? But even if not, these days is different. I've read on multiple websites that the main reasons women moan nowadays is either: a) To boost the guy's self-esteem b) To help him reach climax faster, or c) To let him know he's working the right area But hey, you're the girl so you should be telling me.

[lilaqua]

No biologically sex was effectively just a multiple men on one woman gang bang. That's why orgasms take much longer for women than men, because they're effectively designed to fuck multiple people over longer period of time than men did. During ejaculation men actually produce a form of spermicide to give their sperm the best chance at impregnation, meaning that it was pretty likely another dude was gonna be ramming into her directly afterwards. Read Sex at Dawn by Cacilda Jethá and Christopher Ryan

[Asker]

Huh, wasn't aware of that. But then why are guys nowadays more inclined to be promiscuous than women? And why are girls more inclined to be bisexual or bicurious than men? Also, if sex back then was as you described, there was still no need for women to take longer to orgasm since they don't experience a refractory period right afterwards like we do. They could cum but keep going as normal. So hence why I'm a little skeptical as to those claims.

[Asker]

Oh and also, how on earth would the men know whose sperm is was that impregnated the girl at the end? There were no DNA tests or whatever back then so it would have been anyone's guess. So who would end up taking on the role of father?

[lilaqua]

There is a little more to it, since despite everything humans do have a tendency towards pair bonding and the formation of love which does skew certain elements. The bisexual thing purely arouse as a means of societal control. Girls were able to better manipulate the social environment hence gain power as a whole if they ganged up together, sex developed as a way to bond women together socially. The fact that women have multiple orgasms at all actually adds to this theory, since they could just keep on going with another person after their partner had finished. The reason they probably take longer is because it didn’t really need to be super fast, because one sex session for a man would be at most 10 minute but for women would likely be 1 hr plus. There was no biological incentive for her to nut really quickly.

[lilaqua]

Also remember with the promiscuous thing that there is an element of raising children in our environment that was absent at that time, a woman will put promiscuity on the backburner if it means her children can have a stable environment. In the Stone Age, and still in many tribal cultures today raising children was a group effort not solely done by the biological mother and father. meaning that having “relationships” was less of a priority. Also remember around 1 in 3 children grow up having different biological fathers that the ones that actually raised them.

[Asker]

Yeah that makes sense. Interesting stuff too.

[nickyBBB]

Men are usually more logical than women, most women are more illogical than men... yeah

[Anonymous]

I think women can be just as logical, they just let emotions win too often, I personally had to learn to suppress my emotions because it would hold me back and I'd get walked all over by other males and life in general. I think society makes it a lot harder for men to let feelings dominate, think my pulse doesn't go up when I hear something loud in the house at night? I just have to deal with it, most women can just fall back in the protected category when it suits them and no one cares or makes fun.

[ThreeSheetsToTheWind]

A lot of these are very broad statements at best. Regarding body issues men are not so different, look at how many guys worry about their penis size. Anyway you can thank the media for that.

[Asker]

True.

[azzntittiz]

I don't know, is your mom?

[Tomblebee]

I overthink things.

[9teen]

Yeah, women are generally irrational. They make literally no sense.

[Patrickjv]

Cool stuff, blog it. The irony is strong here because I do not see any logic applied in your post.

[Asker]

So I'm supposed to pull out a precise mathematical definition of logic and show that each of my points does not satisfy that definition? I don't see how my reasoning is fallacious or that it doesn't relate to logical thinking at all.

[Patrickjv]

The thing about dressing like prostitutes is your own subjective opinion and the points about sex can be credited mostly to your own inexperience. Which is why I said this post has no logic.

[Asker]

So... seeing the common outfits prostitutes wear when they're on the job out in the street and seeing ordinary women wear outfits with the exact same features (fishnets, tightness, lustre, see-thoroughness, large exposure of skin in "strategic" places, etc) is purely subjective? I guess you really excel at that "spot the difference" game we played as kids. You are correct in assuming I'm inexperienced (with sex), but I'm simply relaying what people who ARE experienced say about their encounters (which happens a lot on this site among other places).

[Patrickjv]

Most women living in the western hemisphere wear tight jeans. Popularity of fishnets and see-thoroughness depends on fashion trends. Associating normal clothes with prostitutes just means you are a product of your very conservative enviroment. I suggest venting your sexual frustration in other ways in the future.

[Asker]

So because a prostitute's seductive attire has become "fashionable" and trendy, this negates the fact that it was, and still is, what prostitutes wear to help them gain business? Conformity by the masses does not justify an act. Seems like you just like to go with what's "popular" while ignoring what I think is common sense.

[Patrickjv]

Common sense is letting people wear whatever they want within the law, whether it's a burqa or short tight jeans cuz most of us don't care.

[Asker]

Well I'm not here to dictate laws, I'm just pointing out something based on simple observation.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Lol merely YOUR opinion. Troll.

[Asker]

@Wwwyzzerdd The troll as in me?

[SnowHearth]

Majority of women are more illogical than men.

[Volvagia]

nobody thinks using just logic alone, the premise of this entire question is stupid.

[Asker]

I never claimed that there are people who think using logic alone, I'm asking which gender uses more logic ON TOP of whatever else they use to make judgements and perform actions.

[Volvagia]

how do you determine which gender uses more logic though? How would that even be measured? What may seem logical to you could be seen illogical by me or someone else, vice versa, etc. etc.

[Asker]

No but logic is not really subjective which is why it's a mathematical concept. I guess you can't really measure it but you can observe behaviour and conclude whether the person is being rational or not. We do this all the time. So I wouldn't say it's some sort of a guessing game.

[Volvagia]

You misunderstood what I said. Logic is objective, not subjective. The human mind is not always rational, we may be capable of doing math but the decision making process isn't that linear and straightforward. You can observe behaviour and conclude whether it's rational or not but that doesn't mean those conclusions can't be wrong. You're determining whether someoneelse's decision is rational using your perspective based on one sense - seeing. You're missing out on a lot of details in this method as you don't know how that person is feeling, their background, their story, all the options they're presented it, their reasoning for why they did it. Point is, determining whether someoneelse's decision is rational or not is an irrational process in of itself.

[Asker]

Well I'm not just basing it on what I see, I put myself in their position mentally and consider the possible lines of conduct a person may take and their reasoning for it and decide which option makes more logical sense. I take into account the possible emotions they may be experiencing and think of how I would best deal with them, yet I find the behaviour that girls sometimes have to be counterintuitive, counterproductive, or just unnecessary. It's interesting to note that some girls admit to this so my judgement can't be too irrational I don't think.

[Volvagia]

"Well I'm not just basing it on what I see, I put myself in their position mentally and consider the possible lines of conduct a person may take and their reasoning for it and decide which option makes more logical sense. I take into account the possible emotions they may be experiencing and think of how I would best deal with them" That's an oversimplified response. How do you know that it's at all accurate? You take into account the possible emotions they may be experiencing ok sure, but how do you know they're correct unless you ask the person you're observing? How do you know you haven't missed an emotion? Again, observing behavior does not give you insight into them as a person or their background. "consider the possible lines of conduct a person may take and their reasoning for it and decide which option makes more logical sense." how do you know that's accurate? What if you missed one? Empathy has its limit.

[Asker]

Of course it's possible for me to miss or not think of a certain circumstance or factor, but generally in these scenarios what the girl's feeling or thinking is quite obvious or common to our daily lives. I shouldn't be expected to interrogate a girl just to get to the bottom of something that is usually rather trivial. The point of this post is basically to generalize the common behaviours of girls that seem illogical while being mindful of the exceptions.

[Volvagia]

and my point is that they may seem illogical to you but that's from your perspective - you won't know the whole story nor will I or anyone else other than the person who's displaying the behavior. Also, the problem with your post is that all these examples you use trying to demonstrate the irrationality behind many women's decisions are (ironically) illogical themselves I'll take an example from ur post: "They walk around dressed the same way a prostitute dresses when she's trying to attract the most clients then wonder why or get offended when guys only wanna use them for sex and not actually date them." Why are you assuming that dressing provocatively (like a prostitute) means a girl desires or is asking to be used for sex? Or that she's not looking for a relationship?

[Asker]

See, you misunderstood the prostitute example. I KNOW that when a woman dresses like that it's more often than not just a fashion statement and not necessarily an indication that she's looking for sex. But that's PRECISELY why it's illogical to do that because those outfits are exactly what arouses us guys and makes us horny and is why prostitutes use them to attract clients. So if these girls really don't wanna be used just for sex, how isn't it illogical to dress in a way that does nothing but trigger sexual arousal from the opposite gender? And that's my point. It's like, would you wear trackies and a hoodie to a job interview and expect to be taken seriously in the world of work? Of course not. So if you dress like a damn prostitute who has sex for money, how do you expect to be taken seriously in the world of dating and/or friendship?

[Volvagia]

Im tired af so I'll respond to this with a counterargument later. Lol

[Asker]

Haha, all good.

[jokercard]

You're just an idiot

[Asker]

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Women are more likely to work on an emotional level wheel we are more rational. It's not that they are illogical so much as they choose not to use logic but rather to use emotions to work things through.