Do you think absent fathers should be equally shamed as women who have different baby fathers?

[Spongebobssocks]

I always here people shame women for being sluts and shaming women for having babies when they are really young evan when the woman chooses to admit she was wrong and stay to take care of the baby. But if a guy fucks around and leave a woman pregnent then he is fine. Evan the same people that are against abortion will shame the woman for keeping the baby but not the father who leaves them behind. Why is that?

I mean they both should be equally responcible because a baby can only be made from one man and one woman right?

OBS! I totally understand the difference between men and women sleeping around so thats not what I'm referering to here. Please be nice in the comments. I'm open to have my mind challenged in anything:)

[boggboss]

I agree the only issue is that u can then say why get with a guy that was like that which yes men can change but their are plenty of men with multiple kids from different baby mums and the women already knew but still went for it

[Spongebobssocks]

Ofcorse you could. I agree her behaviour was bad. My point is just so is his.

[boggboss]

I agree only issue I think most would agree anyway

[Spongebobssocks]

Thats an issue?😂

[Spongebobssocks]

Well you could also turn it around. Yes she was naive but he took advantage of her being naive.

[boggboss]

Where I said issue I meant I believe most would already say he is a shitty person meh i dono if someone gets with a man that's had multiple kids from different women and she thinks hebwill stay with her ill just assume she is stupid at that point

[Spongebobssocks]

Thats good news tho! Yeah ofcorse she is stupid and he is evil for using her being stupid.

[boggboss]

Yeah I agree

[ratking63]

Yes. A child needs two parents. Any absentee parent (mother or father) deserves a certain degree of shame.

[Spongebobssocks]

Cool! I agree

[ratking63]

Unfortunately "hookup culture" seems to have ruined the sacred bond between the traditional male/female roles in relationships, making young people think a "one and done" is ok regardless of consequences

[Spongebobssocks]

Yup! Hookup culture has ruined so many people. It affects the parents, the child and the people around them.

[ratking63]

For sure! It definitely affects one of my former friends, who just sees women as pieces of eyecandy

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah its really sad. Evan the government is behind it all.. I mean the psychologests lie to their patients these days

[ratking63]

It's definitely sad. It makes it really hard to find friends of similar values too!

[Spongebobssocks]

Yup definatly! There should be an organisation for sane people to meet😅

[ratking63]

Lol for sure, that would be nice. I mean, once in a while you meet great people, like this conversation here! It's great finding someone with similar views!

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah it is!:)

[ratking63]

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[Spongebobssocks]

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[PositiveFlight]

I don’t know if shaming anyone helps the matter. If anything it just pushes some people further away. But I do however think it’s horrible when a man makes a baby with a woman and then abandons her and the child he has made with her. That is very irresponsible and selfish. If a man is unwilling to father his child and love unconditionally both his child and the sweet woman which he has impregnated, he is equally part of the problem. Now in fairness, I realize some women can be off their rocker entitled and demanding when they become hormonal and pregnant. Sometimes bad things just happen and it’s tough for a man to figure out how to deal with all of it. But the solution is simple. Don’t be having sex with a girl under any conditions of birth control unless you are willing to except even the smallest risk that you might become a father. Every girl I have ever had sex with, I have been more than willing to be the father and lover. Which is why I have never had a problem with doing the pullout method on the most fertile days.

Society is breaking down all over the world and self-destructing due to a lack of fathers in the home. Children thrive when they have an equal and healthy balance of both feminine and masculine traits in their life. Children need the nurturing and mercy of a mother, yet the firm protection and loving justice of a father. Society is off its rocker with all this so-called “toxic masculinity“ in that men are told they shouldn’t act like men but rather bets males. They are told nowadays by modern feminism that they are nothing more than an inseminator. So guess what, even though it’s not an excuse, many of them act like it. Society has brought men up to be very selfish and immature. Like an animal. No sense of responsibility. And of course society in general (men and women) has no sense of responsibility or accountability in any actions. No one wants to be judged yet everyone wonders why society is broken. Nations are crumbling and we wonder why? It all goes back to the home and parenting! No grounding principles are taught anymore. So is it any wonder why children grow up to act like a little selfish entitled tyrants, run for office and make tyrannical decisions, spend into debt and into oblivion, and do everything that is repugnant to the survival and freedom of society?

[PositiveFlight]

*beta males* not bets

[Spongebobssocks]

I agree 100% Children need a father and a mother. It affects society when people grow up with one parents because it affects that child itself deeply. Society is falling but im glad there are people who still are aware of reality

[PositiveFlight]

Thank you for being willing and having the courage to bring this to light. Not a lot of people want to start a conversation on this topic or address it, it seems like nowadays. So much seems to be more centric on entertainment, pop culture, and self centered on “me“

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah ofcorse! Thank you for your well written words:)

[inhua]

which is why the government hunts those men down and makes them pay child support

that is assuming he is the real father to begin with. it's an issue when the wrong man gets hunted down and has to pay child support for a kid that's not his

at the end of the day, women are still the gatekeepers of sex and this is the one area they are gonna be held the most accountable for whereas men have to get held accountable for everything else

[Spongebobssocks]

I understand that but I think we should hold both accountable because non of it could evan happen without both of them. So both equally caused it to happen then both should pay the consequense. Which the woman already is doing by not mundering her baby in the womb and taking care of her kids while the father abondens them. I'm not evan saying the man should marry her. I get it she slept with other men. She has more baby daddys but at least be there for your own child. Its not fair to abuse the child because of the parents misstake

[LazerBean]

Yes. And if you live in a good community, they are.

[Spongebobssocks]

Really? By other men too?

[LazerBean]

Yeah.

[Spongebobssocks]

Well thats nice

[Berethor]

You claim to understand the difference between men and women, a woman is like a lock.

[Spongebobssocks]

I do, do you understand my point?

[Berethor]

Man can be shamed but women should be shamed more, women are the gatekeepers.

[Spongebobssocks]

So you think women should be shamed for sticking around and taking care of their kids when they have different baby fathers but the father who abonden them not that much?

[Berethor]

If she is having different baby fathers that's why no sane man want to commit to her.

[Spongebobssocks]

I never said anything about that. I agree what she did was wrong. But the fact that she choose to keep the kids and take care of them when she could easily just get an abortion says something. You need to put both men and women accountable for their behaviour. The baby wouldn't be there without the father. And I'm not saying he should be in a relationship with her but just abonden the kids is not okay if you ask me. He could at least be there for his own kids.

[Berethor]

Abortions are not legal everywhere, usually there is limits even in liberal places, single moms are common among non-monogamous animals, females get humped and dumped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

[Spongebobssocks]

Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source. And you still dont get my point? You really dont think we should shame men for bad behaviour only women. Why is that?

[Berethor]

I told you that men can be shamed for that, but gatekeepers are the main responsible.

[Spongebobssocks]

I had no idea women could get pregnent without the father

[Berethor]

"Men are only as faithful as their options", it's the woman who let that to happen.

en.wiktionary.org/.../why_buy_the_cow_when_you_can_get_the_milk_for_free

[Spongebobssocks]

Again Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source. Anyone can write there its like instagram.. And yeah but the man chose to impregnate her and he chose to physically remove himself from the kid. (He controlls his own body).

[Berethor]

She let him to impregnate her, man is acting like man. He not sure that the kid is his.

[Spongebobssocks]

I'm obviously refering to the moments when they know he is the father..

[Berethor]

Most people are not doing DNA tests, so it's the mama's baby, papa's , maybe trope.

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah but I'm clearly refering to the cases where the man know its his child and he leaves his kids behind

[Berethor]

Family court would most likely not let him to take the kid, he can't do much about it.

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah I know those cases exist but there is a difference between paying child support and actually being there for his own kids

[NathanDavis]

I just have no interest on shaming people...

especially if I don't know anything about their circumstances, lol

[Dargil]

Simple, direct answer: Yes.

[Spongebobssocks]

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[Mansearching]

Whats good for the goose is good for gander.

[Spongebobssocks]

Meaning?

[Mansearching]

If the woman is shamed for having many baby-daddies, so should the absent father or fathers.

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah I agree. Seams like a lot of men dont think so to

[Mansearching]

Well they are small minded people. They must be all for the mrn side. It takes 2 to make a baby.

[Spongebobssocks]

Agree! Seeing the comments some men here think only women should be shamed for it.. well well people will be people:)

[EpicSnail]

The difference is, women have options. Shitty men can ALWAYS find women who want to sleep with them, it's honestly uncanny.

The other day at my local mall there was this tattooed thuggish guy smoking indoors, he had hand tattoos etc., he was on his phone cursing someone out, walking in a lumbering way like some cripple, probably stoned out of his mind, but he was intimidating because he just looked unpleasant, and the depressing thing is women fucking chase guys like that all the time.

So yeah, I used to have sympathy for women getting knocked up by assholes, but these days I just can't look past the fact that they had options, nearly limitless options, but they had to go with the exciting bad boy...

[Spongebobssocks]

I agree. What the woman does is bad. And she is an idiot for doing so but the fact that she desides to keep the baby and try to make things right while the father leave is still not okay.

[EpicSnail]

Agreed, but other times the guy wants to be in the kid's life and she lies about him and he loses custody.

[Spongebobssocks]

Those cases sure but thats not what im talking about.

[CubaPirate]

Absolutely 💯

[Spongebobssocks]

Cool!:)

[Anonymous]

totally agree

[Spongebobssocks]

Nice to hear😊

[Anonymous]

Yes.

[Spongebobssocks]

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