Do you think life would be simpler if sex was not made a huge deal of? Just another physical event that requires safety measures like swimming?

[VIVANT]

This is not a judgement nor am I suggesting people should not find it special or horrible— or however they feel. I just think grooming children to view sex with so much morality trepidation shame fear rebellion behind it really messes with Childrens minds and leads to in my opinion messed up adults w/ overly moralistic views on something that for the most part, is gonna happen in most peoples lives in a lot of different ways and there’s no usefulness in all the micromanaging and fear mongering that goes into it.

Esp the social stigmatizing done esp to women. It’s harmful and I don’t think it creates a safer environment. People are less careful in activities they feel dubious about engaging in. Not more careful bc it requires a certain amount of dissociating to get through it.

As for myself I have an overly strained reserves detached connection to my body and consequentially sex. I don’t think I’ll ever see sex as a normal activity no matter how deep the relationship and I would like to have grown up with a very casual view. Casual sex is just not the worst thing in the world. I don’t think it’s worth scarring people trying to avoid that outcome.

Disclaimer: I understand many cultures are different and I understand many people have perfectly healthy relationship to sex, no matter the culture or upbringing.

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[MrOracle]

Life might be simpler if that was the case, but the reality is that sex DOES have ALL KINDS of very serious and important complications that come with it, and no amount of pretending otherwise will make them go away. Sex can and often does have long-term consequences, and you can't just social engineer that away. Human instincts are much more powerful than any social engineering, much less health-related issues (Herpes or AIDS), or getting pregnant.

Sex is taken seriously for very good reasons. It seems a lot of people have forgotten what those are, but the results of that is that marriage is way down and birthrates are plummeting around the world, and huge numbers of people are going to suffer mightily in their old age without a family to look out for them. After a couple of generations of such horrific suffering, society will "rediscover" a lot of things that we used to know and teach that we thought we'd advanced beyond, only to discover that we were simply ignoring the long-term effects, believing that would make them go away. It won't.

Things are going to be bad for my generation (GenX), and even worse for Millennials. Far too many people will live their lives single, paying too much for housing and utilities and unable to save adequately for retirement, and there will be far too few people working to pay into social programs, so old people's benefits will be cut, and they will suffer and die in horrific ways - many of neglect in underfunded state-run facilities. People have no idea what they've signed themselves up for, but it's going to be bad.

All of those rules and expectation that society took hundreds of years to create and refine existed for good reasons, and we now ignore them as standard, and pretend we're above all that. Our hubris will be our own downfall.

[luminiferous]

Thank you, finally someone with common sense.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Your writing is soooo bad lmao.

[luminiferous]

You're 30 and name is PapiChulo, pick a struggle damn

[European4Ever]

@luminiferous Can I ask you some questions about Albania?

[luminiferous]

Yes feel free

[European4Ever]

@luminiferous Do most girls in Albania have good values and want real relationships? What sort of guys do girls in Albania like? Can most speak English? Are girls in Albania open to dating foreigners?

[luminiferous]

Well I'm albanian from Kosova, so we are similar. Now to answer your questions, this is not to flatter myself but albanian women are very beautiful and loyal. They seek real relationships as hookup culture is not famous here and you would most likely be labeled as a slut (this has to do more with the cultural conservative view rather than the religious/logical one which i believe). Most albanian women are fond of cooking and cleaning and being a caretaker but the younger generations want careers aswell. So as a relationship and marriage material, I classify them as top tier. What men do they like? This is a hard question as i cannot generalise, I mean I'm assuming naturally they'd want someone who's able to provide for the family and a good man to present to their family. I don't know about girls in Albania but here the younger generations are more likely to know English, the older ones not so much. To me older is someone in their 30s. And last one, that's a bit tough. Most parents only encourage to marry albanians, so really depends on the girl and family and how open they are to it.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@luminiferous stfu

[European4Ever]

@luminiferous Thank you for the info. It sounds like girls in Kosovo are some of the best. If I were to visit Kosovo, are girls open to guys cold approaching? What would be some good ways for a guy to meet girls in Kosovo? I don't really know how to meet girls. I am not a student and I also don't go clubbing. Online dating apps don't work for guys because girls on dating apps aren't interested or don't use them for anything serious.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@European4Ever you’re fucking desperate dude.

[luminiferous]

Well, I'm not really sure. But why not try? I mean you've got nothing to lose. Also I'm curious where are you from? Honestly it's good that you don't go clubbing, because women go clubbing here but you know what types of women go there. Also they might be more interested if you are a foreigner, just be ware learn more of their families, how does her family impact her decisions and are they okay with you. Also they might want the papers, not all but you never know. And hopefully you find someone who can speak English. In Kosovo Id say Prishtina is best for that.

[European4Ever]

@ChefPapiChulo I'm not desperate. Desperate people have no standards and hate being alone. In my mind, no girl is better than an unacceptable girl. Desperate guys use hookers and go for any girl they can get regardless of what she offers just because she's a girl. Having standards doesn't mean desperation. And going to places where the are more likely to me compatible with me is natural, it's not a sign of desperation. It's a sign of being active and proactive and rationality.

[European4Ever]

@luminiferous Raised in America but finally moved back to Europe. I have Southern European and Eastern European roots. I spend most of my time in the Balkan region. I sort of don't always like dating because it's difficult to find a good girl. I don't feel much incentive to create a relationship with liberal girls or girls that have been with many other guys. Out of curiosity, is Kosovo like most other countries where most girls will have experience with other guys or is it possible to find a marriage material girl that's a virgin? Would most girls in Kosovo be willing to accept age gaps in a relationship?

[luminiferous]

Eastern European as in slavic? I hope you know our conflict with slavic people. Okay most important point, you should be aware that about 96% of Kosovos population is muslim. In Islam women aren't allowed to marry someone who is non muslim. Typically women here marry either immigrants who are albanian or just albanians here. But I've come across one case where a muslim woman married a Christian though he is albanian. So it's gonna be a tough one. And women majority are virgins, because of cultural impact and religion. But those my age have had boyfriends, they dont sleep with them tho. I don't know about age gaps, that's a personal preference. Generally I haven't seen couples with big age gaps, usually few years between.

[European4Ever]

@luminiferous I am mainly Italian and Other Mediterranean. My Slavic side is Polish and it helps me to blend in very well in the Balkans because it compliments my Mediterranean. I have a typical Southern European light olive skin tone. I would be open to converting religions if it was a requirement to be with a good girl. I know about the Serbian-Kosovo Conflict during the War in Yugoslavia.

[KingofCups]

@MrOracle You make some decent points, but ultimately times are changing. People are realizing that the nuclear family is weak and extremely dysfunctional. I don't want a family, I don't believe in family, I don't want children, I don't believe it's right to bring them up in the traditional fashion with two authoritarian role models. No, it's good the birth rate is going down. It's good people are living their own adventure and not just the generic family kids house car bullshit. Old people would be much more healthy and independent if they continue to exercise and eat right. All the entitlement programs are bullshit anyways. Take the funding from that and give it to people who need jobs. And yes sex has risks, but it's old timers like yourself who are robbing the best years of young ppls life with that rhetoric. I may not ever love someone in this life time, because dating has become superficial af but damn straight Imma fuck her. As Vince Staples says, I can love you I can love you I can love you I can love you better... "He don't love her at all, but he fuckin' her raw Tales of Adam and Eve birthin' a bitch and a dog How you follow a heart colder than winter in Prague Love for the wealth and the self, her mind full of everything else"

[MrOracle]

@KingofCups You've been indoctrinated into that thinking - just as most people have. This was absolutely intentional - it's essentially eugenics via social engineering. Note that wealthy people still strongly value marriage and children - that's no accident either. The ruling class don't want you breeding, and don't care if you'll suffer - but you better believe that they'll be having kids, and making sure their kids have kids. Ever wonder why that is?

[ChefPapiChulo]

you're a retard. that account was fake.

[Lionman95]

I voted no, because though I would agree to your first part of the question I´m not agreeing with the second part of it.
As far as I know sex is the most intimate form two humans can ever have and I think it should stay like that. I would also doubt that people are more careless if they feel the activity is dubious to enter because I don´t know where you come from but where I come from are also very careless entering public traffic. Like they are not indicating that they want to bend right or left they just do and expect everybody else to be prepared. I don´t think the level of taking care would rise. Also a rise of sexuality activity would lead to more people being focused on it or just prefering porn which would relationships getting shorter.
But on the other hand I agree with you. Yes if sex was less of a mystery I think life could become easier and if people started to speak of it less in a judging and more in an understanding way it would make the world a better place.
I´d rather disagree on the how I´d raise the importance of communication concerning that topic but I´d try to find ways of throwing around phrases that sound good on paper.

[Anonymous]

I honestly can't tell you. If I'm being honest I am 25 and never had sex willingly.
I had a crush in high school and thought that I was ready but well it didn't worked out and we never spoke again. It hurt me so much that I didn't want to go in the "dating pool" and loose every bit of self confidence. Eventually I took an art class because I always loved drawing and my teacher was very kind and talented. He complimented me and even told me I could sell my art! From a family that always told me my doodles wouldn't get me anywhere it was enormous! There is a great art school that I wanted to get into badly so since my teacher was so nice and took me under his wing I took him has a mentor so I trusted him at 100% plus he was married, had a daughter and a baby on the way so no need to worry!
He agreed to help me out with the audition and gave me private lessons. Needless to say that it went very very wrong. Involving a mascara, and most notably a vegetable peeler in... unorthodox hole? And to practice my speech his penis in my mouth in order to make me articulate 👍🏻.
I bleed intensely and didn't told my parents because I was afraid so I did what every stupid person would do, I went to the ER at approximately 30km away from my home. Luckily the nurses were very nice and helpful, they helped me find a gynecologist in my town that reassured me I can have babies and he restored everything under! So I don't date and I am TERRIBLY afraid of sex because what the thing I experienced is the only thing I got close to sex. And I can't casually think about it and abandon every boundaries or anything...

[Kkstarzz96]

People don't really choose to make sex a big deal. It's more that every single human has to go through puberty, and by default, sex is the epitome of this process. Children can't comprehend the idea of sex and why someone would willingly do that. Sure kissing is exciting but actually having to show your naked body to someone whose not your parent and letting them do what they want with it is extremely invasive and like a child, when we do have sex, it's this huge trust you give up not knowing that it won't be the last time you have sex but knowing it's the last time you're going to trust someone so purely like that again. Only when you've had sex multiple times and each experience is different like it's not always great but sometimes it is, will you calm down about it and realize it's just a part of life. But if sex truly did get better everytime you had it, and with some people, that's a true statement, the hormones make it almost impossible to get over the idea of having sex with this person, and suddenly nothing else seems to bother you as much, and that is powerful.

[Mac-One]

@kkstarzz96 Exposing your naked body in front of others should be possible without it being sexual. It should be possible for girls and guys to: expose their naked bodies in front of each other; change clothes and shower in common changing and locker rooms; share the same common restrooms and exercise facilities; etcetera; without it being sexual.

[Kkstarzz96]

Well I went to a spa like that once and i felt okay with my own gender but that's just sexuality like I'm a heterosexual female I'm not going to rape a man if he's naked but it could be that i like what I see and I'll be rudely starring, although I always fall in love with face because it's the most personal, except for twins no one else has your face

[HighlyVolatile]

Maybe not swimming but I tend to relate it to the most intimate of conversations. I think that's rather how we view it here in Japan, and I think it's a healthy and balanced view that still values commitment over hook-ups and hasn't diminished the value of sexuality to something strictly primal and physical. It rewards honesty between two consenting adults with no temptation to pressure or deceive the other into the bedroom.

I think the way in the US is kind of getting the worst of both worlds through a polarized conflict between people who take pride in promiscuity on one extreme and people who demand abstinence before marriage on the other. I think that leaves a lot of people lost and confused in the middle which can render them capable of being taken advantage of and "used for sex" as they might themselves call it. Polarized conflicts of this sort tend to be ripe for corruption.

[HighlyVolatile]

There needs to be some degree of consistency in society to mitigate corruption as I see it. Suppose almost everyone in the US agreed on the notion of abstaining from sex before marriage. That would be a good and consistent system that would leave behind few victims. Suppose everyone valued promiscuity, and at least in a safe way that doesn't spread diseases and damage people psychologically. That would be a good and consistent system that would leave behind few victims. But a country split apart on such moral ideas is not a bad and inconsistent system, and that's the type of system that tends to leave behind a whole lot of victims because a country that's torn on ideas of right and wrong will tend to most reward the people who care very little about what's right and wrong and are willing to do anything to get what they want.

[HighlyVolatile]

* [...] But a country split apart on such moral ideas is [a bad and inconsistent system] [...]

[HighlyVolatile]

The most surefire way to get a system to mass-produce poor results is to base it around inconsistent rules. It's true in engineering, in design, in society, in politics, in everything as I see it. I'm not sure the people who believe in abstinence before marriage and traditional notions prizing virginity have any hope of persuading the rest of the population to think the same way anymore. At the same time, I don't think the promiscuous types are going to persuade those who value commitment. So I think the best way moving forward in a country like the US is some middle ground that doesn't -- like you said -- see sex as such a big deal. But I'm for establishing some degree of consistency, whatever it is.

[VIVANT]

Hmm interesting perspective I appreciate the unique view point and I absolutely agree consistency is important only I think the consistent rule needs to be safety and respect not timing. Sex is personal the world doesn’t need to be involved in exactly when you decide to do it, you should feel the pressure to be responsible towards yourself and others but that’s it. I don’t see why it should cause any more chaos than any other activity unless it is done irresponsibly and it is far more difficult to teach responsibility if an act is considered taboo.

[HighlyVolatile]

If there is more consistency, I think sex can become more of a personal and private affair between two consenting adults and more about mutual respect, consent, desire, and definitely not about timing. It can take on a more tasteful and honest tone, however that it manifests. For example here where we have reasonably consistent views about sexuality, we don't really have such a thing as slut-shaming. We don't obsess about body counts (neither in the form of boasting about it nor condemning others for it). We might look down distastefully at the extremities like if someone is participating in orgies every single weekend, but that applies to both men and women. It's understood and accepted that adults may have had some past relationships that are sexual in nature. With consistency comes tolerance and a system that rewards more honest approaches as I see it.

[Jamie05rhs]

@HighlyVolatile I like most of what you said. But I will disagree with this: "So I think the best way moving forward in a country like the US is some middle ground that doesn't -- like you said -- see sex as such a big deal." I don't think that's possible at all. It's just not realistic. The best solution is to leave both groups alone and let them do their own thing separately. (Though unfortunately the promiscuous folks are still going to prey on the Christians, because it is a sport to them. They find it thrilling, like a hunt in Africa.)

[HighlyVolatile]

@Jamie05rhs My concern might be on trying to establish some degree of consistency in what we might call "mainstream". In Japan, we also have a small minority of religious people who still value abstinence, and they tend to congregate and date only amongst each other, and I think that's a good way with established congregations for people who share those same values. We also have a fringe group who are thoroughly promiscuous and unshamed of it as well as pornography, prostitution, and our unfortunate share of downright perverts. But the "mainstream" view, like the type that students in a public school might be exposed to rather consistently, is kind of a middle ground. It neither glorifies promiscuity nor abstinence. It just sees sex as a natural way for consenting people in a relationship to express their desire and affection to each other. I think it's mainly something fairly consistent in the mainstream that I think might be lacking in the US. I'm not sure how practical it is to correct it. I think a highschooler is going to be exposed to all sorts of conflicting ideas about sexuality, for example, and that's where I think the confusion for all but those most firmly rooted in their values can end up getting used and abused.

[Jamie05rhs]

@HighlyVolatile That's what we have in America as well. The mainstream middle ground IS taught in public schools.

[Jamie05rhs]

But this is a very good point you made: "I think a highschooler is going to be exposed to all sorts of conflicting ideas about sexuality, for example, and that's where I think the confusion for all but those most firmly rooted in their values can end up getting used and abused." Because a lot of people are NOT firmly rooted in their values. And high school is a natural time of questioning those values anyway.

[HighlyVolatile]

@Jamie05rhs The main demographic I'm most concerned about is the young woman who is neither promiscuous nor firmly rooted in abstinence before marriage. She wants to express her sexuality and has her own sexual desires but she wants to be loved and wants to be in a monogamous relationship. Her heart is still tied to sex. She cannot detach strings from it. She grew up in a school where she was exposed to all sorts of ideas about sex: youth abstinence groups, sex ed, classmates who talk about ONS, friends with benefits, booty calls, hook-ups, players, fuckbois, like this is a common and normal thing. She's a bit conflicted and confused and overwhelmed by such ideas, but what she really wants is a meaningful relationship with someone. But she's in the middle of a culture whose mainstream views of sex are all over the place, and grounded in inconsistent rules... and with inconsistent rules comes those who no longer see it as cheating to bend the rules, break the rules, and even those who might have been trying to follow the rules but became frustrated by the inconsistencies and joined their ranks. And she's the main type of person that I think is prone to get deeply hurt by this.

[Jamie05rhs]

@HighlyVolatile Yes; I agree. She usually is the one to get hurt the most.

[HighlyVolatile]

@Jamie05rhs Mainly a kind of related problem is men losing their way as protectors. I always envisioned the ideal man as a protector and so I would have been unable to exploit a woman like in the above for my own sexual gratification without seeing that as the most immoral thing that so conflicts with my desires to protect people. Yet I see fewer and fewer men in places like the US sharing my ideals of man as protector. And maybe even some feminists are offended by such ideas, as though my desire to protect women infantilizes them when I would do the same for my boyfriend or husband if I was homosexual. I can't speak on behalf of other men, but that desire to protect is the noblest side of me that most help me to resist the very worst of my temptations. If I didn't have that, I would probably be horrified by the type of man I might have become, and yet I see so many men abandoning that way of thought. And so I think when man ceases to value being a protector, it's very often the case that he becomes an exploiter.

[Jamie05rhs]

@HighlyVolatile I always wanted to be a protector. And believe me, I have tried. But a woman can only be protected if she wants to be. If she chooses danger and dangerous men and dangerous relationships, that is her choice. We can only warn; we cannot stop them from doing what they will do.

[HighlyVolatile]

@Jamie05rhs I think there's kind of a line to draw between protecting and respecting a woman as an adult capable of making her own choices and taking her own risk. What I mean by protecting will probably take a bit to unpack, but it's quite different from the white shining knight rescuing damsels in distress: protective without being possessive, you might say, and without seeing those we protect (fellow men included) as being any lesser in value. But at the very least the idea of protecting a woman, for example, is at least completely antithetical to exploiting her for our selfish gain and then discarding her like yesterday's newspaper.

[HighlyVolatile]

@Jamie05rhs Ideally I think a very progressive way is for men and women to protect each other in their own ways. More women might favor a gentle and nurturing touch, and more men a strong arm. But we all protect each other in our ways. Yet the direction Western society seems to be moving seems to be the opposite way where no one protects anyone: everyone is out for themselves.

[Jamie05rhs]

@HighlyVolatile I agree.

[aWes0MeNeSs]

I personally would find it much simpler if sex wasn't such a huge part of life (it is EVERYWHERE; it's in most media made for adults, gets brought up in everyday conversation even when it has nothing to do with anything, etc.). I just don't see how it's so interesting it has to be such a dominant topic. Not that I think it should never be brought up, but I feel it's massively overdone. I speak as an asexual, however, so I take no interest in it, myself.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Haven't people already done that? With all the casual hook ups, fuckbuddies, friends with benefits...
And has it really made things better? Or has it made things worse?
Trying to teach you children to value their bodies, and to be safe both about who they share sex with and about safe sex, is not the same as trying to shame them.
Why demean/devalue the beauty and intimacy of sex?

[Guy13]

Would it be just another event if I took something that you were intimately attached too❓ Like your car, bank account, or whatever else it may be.

Some people form attachments and some do not.-this can not be legislated or proclaimed into Being or reality. We are Intelligently Designed, no matter how much, you may want to reduce people to Freudian and Jungian unconscious impulse or evolutionary muck.

[Lliam]

Wow. You have a really good point, Vivant. It never quite occurred to me.

I actually agree that it would be better to look at sex like any other activity that requires knowledge - swimming, driving, shooting, ...

I also agree that stigmatizing it creates all kinds of problems and serves no benefit. You said it very well.

[VIVANT]

Yeah I’m in no way advocating carelessness but my impression is there is heavy propaganda involved to do carefully conflate a special secluded category of sex based morality w/ general rational judgement, that people can’t make a distinction to where somehow feeling badly imagining socially negative outcomes to something personal, is the same as making a rational decision.

[Lliam]

@vivant. I hear you and strongly agree. What a concept! A lot of pain, torment and even bloodshed would disappear if society were so wise.

[OlderAndWiser]

I wish I knew how to undo the years of bad learning you endured!

[Derekk]

I think lessons about sex should include perspectives from people that enjoy it in all different kinds of ways, within a healthy spectrum at least. I think sex ed here in Canada does an OK job with that, but we're not perfect. And certainly in more prudish or misogynist countries you'll see less discussion. Some people bond with love the way some people bond with words or actions. I think "love languages" is a bit too simplified pop culture fluff for my taste but there's some hint of truth in it.

What I take strong exception to are parents pushing one narrative to control their child as if their child is their property.

[ObscuredBeyond]

What needs to go away, is this idea that we have absolute ownership of ourselves, and that we're owed the chance to have sex.

What needs to stop being done, is telling kids that sex is some necessary rite of passage.

The tools by which to assist God in making a new human life, should not be reduced to a mindless recreational sport.

[dustybiker]

It isn’t a huge deal, it is simply a part of being an adult. Sex is natural. Primal. Something you want to share with a partner.

[integrale77]

So basically your talking about normalising sex making it a social activity sounds a good idea would solve a lot of issues for incels. Maybe turn porn into an everyday thing. Prostitution would probably still exist but would be less sleezy and less profitable.

But let's look into some of the down sides: -

STDs might become more communicable.

Do you change the minimum age of consent?

Teenage pregnancy could skyrocket due to laps use of birth control.

If a woman gets pregnant there will be more paternity tests to determine the actual father and what's the reaction if he's already married or if she is married to someone else?

Back to teens what if a lad decides it's funny to deliberately make holes in a condom to get a girl pregnant do you make it a criminal offence to deliberately damage or remove birth control without consent.

How do you handle the opinions over abortion as it's probably going to happen more.

How would rape be viewed would it be like a regular assault more women might be willing to report it with sex being normalised but there probably wouldn't be a sex offenders register as sex is just a social activity.

Finally probably the biggest issue the increase of population growth how would we handle that?

But maybe society would be different and all the above would be worked out over time

[Apple1996]

No that would take the intimacy out of sex and without that sex would be like giving a hug. Like I'd rather it be a special intimate thing

[EmbraceThePain]

So, it depends.


I think you can teach your children to view sex as something important, as it should be, without adding anything more extreme to overly cause them to feel too emotionally about sex.


In other words, it’s not a requirement to cast such a moral blanket over sex.


It’s unique, important, and special but it shouldn’t be put on some pedestal reserved for the gods.


Sex has immense effects on the body & mind. These effects can be permanent and/or life altering.


This is why sex shouldn’t be taken lightly.


Lots of studies show that casual sex as well as having a lot of sexual partners results in more negative outcomes than positive.


The positive aren’t too much worth it once you compare the two.


So, too much of a good thing can be bad.


Drink too much water, you drown…….

[NathanDavis]

I don't think life would be more simple, no...

even when sex is not complicated for some people... they're still going to find something else to make it way more complicated and controversial than it should be...

this does happen because that's our human nature... we do complicate things within society, if it weren't the sex it would be something else, for sure... lol

[VIVANT]

I just meant regarding sex 😊 not life in general. I think each prejudice we knock down does make life a bit more manageable.

[NathanDavis]

well yes, and no... individually, I don't have any "substantial prejudice" meaning... I don't have problems with it myself, my preferences, my views and my ways about sex are "well aligned" consistent with who and what I am, and I have never had an issue on finding someone else that shares the same approach to sex as I do... then the vast majority of the people around me do not have an issue with it and if they do, as far as I know they keep it to themselves... as for others and their own approaches to sex, I am not into judging theirs, on the very few things I could get judgmental a little bit then I just keep it to myself so yeah... individually, life is way more manageable without "substantial prejudices" but we're still a society, and as I society, as a whole... as a mass, or in this case like a mob... we're still very much into pointing fingers at those are that are not like us, and that dare to be different, to be themselves even if not aligned with ours or the majority I really don't think it is possible for society to stop making a big deal out of sex, at least not ours and not now... still way too rooted into lots of prejudice

[DonkeyDan]

There are bigger problems than sex to make life difficult.

[VanillaSalt]

If we stopped placing emphasis on live life would be simpler too… and morality… and merit… get my point?

[Mooseypooo12]

No. Sex is supposed to be between two lovers, not just some recreational activity that can be done mindlessly with whomever you please. Truthfully sex has become so normalized in society that it rarely holds any merit anymore. It’s so accessible and so many people give into it.

[slatyb]

We would be extinct.

[VIVANT]

How do you gather that?

[slatyb]

That is the fate of species that do not reproduce.

[BrickBiggems]

I'd hate to see sex and intimacy trivialized to the point that it has the same importance and meaning as a day at the beach.

[TadCurious]

Vivant I think ideally we would grow up with healthy attitudes about sex with the proviso that the consequences are also taught. And obviously those consequences are pretty significant. Learning the necessity of being responsible is critical.
But I'm curious about something you said about the dissociation that's necessary for engaging in sex. Could you please explain what you mean by that?
But I wholeheartedly agree that it's not good for people to be scarred about sex because of bad programming or traumatic events.
😊😀🙋‍♂️🐕

[Sevenpointfive]

i've never thought about sex the way normal people do. i don't need it at all even if it can be nice at times. the stress of relationships is not something that i want