Sexual Relationships 
Sexual Health 
This is going to be a controversial mytake and I'm going to be siding with the feminists for once, so better get things cleared up.
There is something strangely erotic yet sinister about this image
Sure, there is such a thing as made to penetrate - it's entirely conceivable that under exceptional circumstances a man can be drugged up, tied up and forced into erection mode with viagra by some erratically kinky dominatrix he wants nothing to do with. But what we have to ask ourselves is, is this reality a regular phenomena?
40% of rapists are women now? Better beware the rohl hypnol brandishing gangs of ovulating femdoms outdoors now, gents. Seriously, what percentage of these rape allegations by men against women were proven true?
I'm sorry but as a man, I just don't buy it.
Women are less physically strong and less aggressive.
Women are much harder to become sexually aroused and therefore less incentivised to initiate something like rape even if they could.
Women cannot get a man hard if he does not want to do it.
Women don't carry around date rape kits of viagra, rohl hypnol and handcuffs as far as I'm aware.
Let's be honest now, while this would not be a realistic case of female on male rape (the woman would probably be a lot less desirable, as attractive as a life sized barbie doll is), it wouldn't be most guys worst nightmare, either.
So what does circulating this myth do?
1. It marginalises actual rape of women by men
2. It marginalises actual rape of men by men, e.g. in prison cells.
I can't stress how big of a problem both these things are. Women are much more easily raped by men than vice versa and is demoralising when it happens. Prison rape is a truly horrendous ordeal for a man and is no laughing matter. But prison rape is joked about by comedians all the time and the western countries do very little to remedy a very real problem - e.g. extra shower cubicles, private single rooms, more cctv surveillance of inmates AND guards etc.
In short, if MRAs want to put emphasis on the fact that men can be victims of rape and sexual assault, they should focus on cases of rape where the man is the initiator, specifically in prisons where the majority of male on male cases happen.
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40 % never, some men are rape it's true but never this high.
I have a hard to think how men can be raped by a weak women serious unless they are really drunk but still
I am glad somebody agrees with me on this. Most of the comments it is just people not liking the notion men are not raped as well because it offends their sensibilities.
your welcome :)
there is an article I posted by NISVS in my discussion with womb raider debunking the 40% stat
They always lie in the pourcentage in article and make them look higher
yes, they say 80% of statistics are made up :P the MRA groups that interpreted the CDC stats only accounted for rape allegations in time span of 12 months. when changed to the full-life time, you have 7,032,000 male rape victims versus 21,840,000 female rape victims which gives us 24.4% (NOT 40% !!!) Also, mathematical errors were made in multiplying the two percentages. That's because '[m]ultiplying the percentage of male victims with the percentage of male victims who had female perpetrators cannot give a percentage of perpetrators mathematically'. '
don't talk math with me, I have the worst grade in math ^^ calcul confuse me really
haha me also
I had the lowest grade in math haha
I failed at math until they put me in the bottom group. then all of a sudden I excelled :P
Your lucky in my school when we are bad they just leave us alone in the back of the class; like we don't deserve their time
Haha, I was not badly behaved, just bad at maths. I was easy to teach in the bottom group :P
you were lucky so :)
Rape is really just non-consensual sexual intercourse or sexual contact. This can be initiated by anybody against another person's will, and any ongoing intercourse can lead to rape, if one partner revokes the consent but the other partner does not listen.
You may think that men cannot be raped. But in reality, they can. A man and a woman may engage in intercourse in the woman-on-top position. The woman may sit on top of the man and move her body. Then, the penis snaps, leading to a penile fracture. The man groans in agony and begs the woman to stop, but the woman ignores and continues intercourse. Then, it's up the courts to determine whether the woman has become the rapist.
Another example may be that the man is not in the mood to have sex. The woman is very horny and performs fellatio against the man's will. Rape. A woman may initiate sex on a drunk man. Rape.
'Rape is really just non-consensual sexual intercourse or sexual contact.' Actually, non-consensual sexual contact is just sexual assault if it does not include intercourse. As for rape, there is a discrepancy if the act of intercourse involves forced penetration with a penis or not. For example, in English law, a rape can only be committed by a male as the penetration can only be done with his penis. Anything else is sexual assault (e. g. forcefully penetrating a male or female with objects) but sexual assault can be committed by men or women. Even in US law it is just, “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” If you want to argue this definition, then ok fine but definitions that include 'made to penetrate' or 'penetration by object' are by no means the standard. The standard - and most commonly accepted - definition
... is forced intercourse by penetration of the penis. You can certainly argue point out forcefully penetrating objects into a person's orifice is by no means consensual. However, 'made to penetrate' requires a non-voluntary erection. Erections typically only occur if the male is aroused and men actually have a certain degree of control: I would know that, being a man, it is possible to 'redirect' my thoughts to something non-sexual. Being a man, I also know that, anything that causes fear is likely to restrict my ability to perform an erection (which is why many first time lovers have a hard time with erectile dysfunction). I have never tried viagra personally, but I don't believe that erections are 100% involuntary with the stimulant. I think viagra would assist one's erectile capacity, but I think that anxiety or redirecting the thoughts to something non-sexual would destroy erection. But then I wouldn't know: I'll get back to you one day when I've tried viagra.
'The woman may sit on top of the man and move her body. Then, the penis snaps, leading to a penile fracture. The man groans in agony and begs the woman to stop, but the woman ignores and continues intercourse.' I believe that the excruciating pain from a penile fracture would be sufficient to prevent further erection. But if the woman deliberately caused a penile fracture and then attempted to force further intercourse, then you could certainly describe this as 'sexual assault' and grievous bodily harm (due to the pain of penile fracture). 'The woman is very horny and performs fellatio against the man's will.' Sexual assault, not rape. 'A woman may initiate sex on a drunk man. Rape.' If he is so drunk he is unable to physically resist, chances are he will not be able to perform an erection.
Fair enough. Given that we've defined rape as "forced penetration with a penis or some kind of object", rape can occur when a person with a penis (man or trans woman) penetrates the victim with a penis or a person without a penis (woman or trans man) penetrates victim with a dildo, hammer, or whatever kind of object you can think of. See? It's still possible.
I already understood this point. But penetration with object is not TECHNICALLY defined as 'rape': it is just sexual assault.
Whatever. Rape is a form of sexual assault. Actually, sexual violence is the preferred term.
'Rape is a form of sexual assault.' Yep: all rape is a form of sexual assault. But not all sexual assault is rape. This is why I've exemplified some things as 'sexual assault', but not 'rape' per se (e. g. forced penetration with an object). As for 'made to penetrate', I'm not sure that can even classify as sexual assault, because the man has to be hard.
Blah blah... women get raped in prisons as well, and guess what now they are putting transwomen in female prisons. Second. men today like to seem like victims so that 40 percent I don't buy, sure men get raped by women and men out of prison. I know this as true, but instead of what you wrote coming off as educating. it just seems like you are whinning and want women to stop complaining about rape. Next time make it an educational thing not a " feel sorry for me ". And just to out this out their rape statistics for men include prison rapes, they aren't separate, that is why people don't consider them accurate
' this just sounds like you are whining about male rape and want women to stop complaining ' I'm really not sure how you got that impression since I spent the whole take debunking ' made to penetrate ' and then barely when skimmed over the topic of prison rape at the end though I did say it was a ' horrible and emasculating experience'. I never said that women can't be raped in prison.
* barely even skimmed *
She attacked a strawman, so there's no point in trying to reason with her. She has an agenda, and she will use smear tactics to try and fuk up your message. Should just flag her post and move on. I've already reported it.
Sadly you are the reason female rapist get away with their crimes.
I blacked out male can be raped by a female, a small or young male can be raped by a larger female, a male can be forced to penetrate with blackmail or other no physical tactics.
A penis can and does get hard even if the male isn't "sexually turned on" (How are you even pretending that this is not true?)
Your excuses are ignorant. I hope you or any potential child of yours never has to deal with the pain of being forced to have sex when they don't want to.
You make me sick.
I said, 'it's entirely conceivable that under exceptional circumstances a man can be drugged up, tied up and forced into erection mode with viagra by some erratically kinky dominatrix he wants nothing to do with.' what I also asked was, 'is this reality a regular phenomena?' 'what percentage of these rape allegations by men against women [the 40% statistic] were proven true?'
by the way in English law, only a male can rape because penetration can only be done with the penis: anything else is sexual assault. I am English by the way.
Since male rape is so often ignored, ridiculed, or excused because of people who believe men can't be raped... it is hard to use the statement "how many of these 40% were proven true". It's also hard to count the accurate number of victims since most men won't come forward for these same reasons. It is likely higher than 40%. The legal term for rape is part of the underlying problem. Men's groups have been fighting to have "Forced to penetrate" added to the definition because having a one sided exclusionary term disregards HALF of the victims of a crime.
'It is likely higher than 40%.' If one uses their common sense for a moment, I don't think that one can conceive of a situation where women - for the most part the weaker sex, who do not need to be aroused to be penetrated - could exceed 50% of rapists. 'The legal term for rape is part of the underlying problem' The legal term for rape is based on the need for a linguistic distinction between 'rape' (forced intercourse) and 'sexual assault'. That is because of the two, rape is the most severe (physically and psychologically damaging) form of aggression. 'HALF of the victims of a crime.' Men can still be victims of forced penetration if it is from another man.
Your shaming tactic is noted but "common sense" would tell you that the statistics say 40% and since most men are either embarrassed or know it will be ignored, would make it obvious that more than 40% have it actually happen. It's called math and it works the same even if you don't agree with it. The definition of forced intercourse has multiple issues. Feminism has broadened the definition to include regret, feeling obligated, consensual while under the influence, sexual anything without a female consent, etc. Men are left out of the definition not because of need for "logistic" differences. The definition of Sexual Intercourse states "sexual contact between individuals involving penetration, especially the insertion of a man's erect penis into a woman's vagina" and therefore "forced intercourse" would also include men who were forced into intercourse. Torture would be the most severe form of aggression, but rape ranks up there and is why males should not be excluded.
... and no one said men aren't victims from other men. Women are also victims of other women. That is a redundant point. Males are disregarded as victims when the perpetrator is female.
' "common sense" would tell you that the statistics say 40% '
well, there is the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey. the arguments are explained in this article:
www.reddit.com/.../
and apart from statistics: no, common sense does not tell me that. common sense tells me that 'made to penetrate' is waaay too impractical for it to constitute 40% of rape allegations, just like most guys would be too scared to force oral penetration in case the girl bit off his most prized possession. oral rape is possible with a bit of preparation (e. g. a sharp object and a few threats) as is made to penetrate, but they are going to consist of a relatively slim proportion of overall sexual violence cases.
www.cdc.gov/.../nisvs_report2010-a.pdf (see p.28)
'no one said men aren't victims from other men. Women are also victims of other women. That is a redundant point. ' you said I was excluding half of victims, from which I inferred men were being excluded. this is what I responded to.
No I said rape statistics exclude half the population. Men are generally ignored unless raped by other men.
How does a woman forcing a man to penetrate equate a man forcing a woman into oral? A female can force a man to penetrate without fear of repercussions. You seem to think that all women are weaker than all men in all cases.
Women can be bigger than men, women can be stronger than men, women can use non-physical aggression to control men, women can rape a passed out male, women can rape underage males.
Rape itself is not as common as feminist say it is (1 in 4) it's actually less than 1 in 1000 as per the Bureau of Justice Statistics. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv14.pdf
And that 0.8 in 1000 is women raped by males which doesn't exclude false accusations, but does include the percentage of women assumed to not come forward. So with that being said... 40% of a number that low isn't a stretch.
So two things. I agree with the 40% sounding like bullshit. I mean, if it is true that's horrible. But it sounds like nonsense. I do hope y ou actually checked the source though. Your take made it seem like you didn't. And if you're ignoring statistics without checking sources then shame on you.
As for your conclusion? How the heck did a sensible person like you decide that ignoring half an issue is the best way to do it? It is an utter compromise and maybe its where things would end up, but you don't ask for the compromise from the bat. You ask for the whole deal then its up to see how much you have to give up.
The source is a study by the CDC you can google it, it's refereed to in many articles and the study it'self is online.
@Anpu23 I am obviously expecting him to check it, not me o. O I don't want to double check things if the mytake owner didn't check it himself!
@Anonymous
yes, there are the CDC stats and I also found this article which debunks some of the CDC stats
www.reddit.com/.../
Quite frankly one person on reddit talking about his perception, however right or wrong it may be, does not really constitute any evidence to disregard things. Especially when the reddit person makes unbacked claims. Lets keep in mind CDC is a trusted governmental entity with no stake in the whole gender war nonsense. CDC isn't some anti-female organisation. It is the centers for disease control and prevention in the U. S. But sure, if that reddit post is correct then yes, there were fallacies in the equation. Especially if all they did was a "Hast thou been raped?" questionnaire to anyone wanting to answer it. Notable if. I googled around a bit on my own and it appears that most studies actually confirm the 40%. NWAV study shows similar results. Any other studies I found actually showed higher numbers. So we can theorize about the shadownumbers. Maybe it is drastically higher among females? But in terms of reported rape it is close to even between the genders. Go figure.
good points. I guess we will never really know since all allegations are just that - allegations - and there is not always concrete evidence to determine if rape, or even, consensual sex, took place. my scepticism of the statistic lies in the fact female raping would require so much effort (and even equipment) to co-ordinate.
This is one where feminists have expanded the definition of rape to include 'pressure' that really doesn't fall under legal coercion. Under that definition, men are often victims as well.
Another question - if a sober person has sex with a drunk one, is that assault?
Maybe women are less likley to violently rape a man. But it could be done in other ways.