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I am 20 and as far as my career is going, I am at the top of my game. I love my job and career, as stressful as it is. I would never do anything to mess that up. That includes pregnancy.
And to be even more non-politically correct, it wouldn't be a hard decision. I would start crying uncontrollably and then once I am able to think and speak coherently, I am calling Planned Parenthood.
I am already on birth control for my migraines and anxiety but it is by no means a heavy duty birth control. If I started having sex, I would take a heavy duty birth control. Along with the heavy duty birth control, I would take the morning after pill and be sure to use a condom. So good luck getting me pregnant. But birth control fails and condoms break. So if I am being honest, yes if I got pregnant, I would choose abortion. It would hardly be a discussion.
Also, I wouldn't sleep with someone who is pro-life. I would only sleep with someone who doesn't want kids either. This is why having similar opinions politics matters to me.
And if there is some law that wants to make me sympathetic to the fetus, two can play at that game. Like that stupid Texas bill that would make the mother of the fetus give the fetus a funeral. Thats cool I can do a funeral. On the one condition that I get to wear the sexiest black dress I can find. And since I have a minor obsession with dark lipstick, I will be wearing dark lipstick as well. I am thinking this look?
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21 43It is hilarious looking at all the responses from the weird male class at GaG to your "Take".
I am going to take a different approach and just plead with you to practice birth control.
And if you do have to face a decision about abortion, I will humbly ask that you to choose life.
I am not insensitive to the choices women face every single day, when they are facing an unwanted pregnancy. My sister faced it. But the family came together and we found a way to provide to her child. Many women don't have that support. And as you have witnessed at GaG, many men in our society don't care and go straight to condemnation. The fact is they have not even thought of the role that the man plays in having a child.
You may think you can find a man who shares your views. The fact is you won't know until you have to tell a man that you are pregnant with his child. Maybe it does not mean much to you. But I think this "Take" is mostly for show.
If you are ever in that situation and you utter those words to the guy you are with, you might get an answer you did not expect. Because he probably gave it little thought in the beginning. I know I did. If my ex had gotten pregnant with my child, I would have fought tooth and nail to that life. And I would have raised that child alone if I had to. But I did not find out how I felt about children until later in life.
People change.
Anyway, yes, this was an excellent "take". I am sorry most guys here were not up to the task to talk to you in a rational calm manner. But most guys at GaG think your assertiveness is a threat to their masculinity. I just hope you are just testing the waters and gauging the reaction. Don't beta male weirdness force you into making a decision you will regret.
Most guys here can't help it. They think their their maleness is dependent upon whether or not women are submissive to them.
Anyway. . . thanks for the take.
Of course I practice birth control. I am very particular anout who I sleep with, if any. I have connected with a lot of childfree women online and many horror dating stories. Like the guy lying to them and saying he didn't want kids when he (desperately) does.
Of course. But I don't think men get "desperate" and lie intentionally. For many of "us", it becomes a realization. It is one thing to talk about not having children. But another thing all together when you are faced with a pregnancy.
Personally I wouldn't do it but I have a friend who is just like you. I literally just don't have the heart to do it so I'm celibate. In the matter of the safe abortion thing, being prolife means those having abortions are murderers, I'm not sure if people care about those they consider murderers.
Anyways make sure to be safe with all those contraceptives you want to use, some of them can have side effects that I don't think you want.
Well... yeah...
Abortion is killing someone, a future child, a human being. How can you live with the idea you've killed your future child? (if that really happens).
I dont want kids. Its not a child, it has potential to be one though
But, after a few days, it's already become a human being.. I've seen a video of it. That's why abortion accused as murderer.
I wouldn't wait a few days for an abortion. Also it doesn't have a brain after a few days. If it can't function without a brain, its not a baby.
A future child is not a child.
It's not a child, damn it. It's never a child of the abortion happens in the first trimester. You are literally getting rid of an embryo or early-stage fetus that has no capacity to maintain life outside the human host. That is FAR from a human.
Whores dont care about that !
Holy Crap! You are so crazy and backwards.
Thats nice dear.
Hot outfit. Sadly this isn't you.
Nope that is courtesy of google.
It clearly is easy for u being that your mind is set no and if or buts but honestly if you doing all that and still get pregnant you are meant to have that baby in my opinion
I'm pro choice i support abortion for certain circumstances if you get pregnant and u have your life together as much as you claim your just having a abortion because your selfish and that's fucked up just get ur tube tied or burned and save some eggs just in case you grow out that selfish mindset and want kids
Good thing I don't believe in God. So if a couple keeps having miscarriages, are they just not meant to be parents? That is not what being pro-choice means. Dude, if it was possible my tubes would already be tied. I wish I could get my tubes tied. No doctor would do the procedure on the 20 year old. I know people well into their fifties who dont have or want kids. Betty white never had or even wanted kids. So no, it is not a phase.
Dude I'm atheist I never mentioned god and if a couple keeps having miscarriages they are meant to adopt and save a kids life And if u look hard enough u can find a dr that'll do it
Just the line, "meant to have a baby is whatever happens." made me think of several bible thumpers. I am not going to give up. I will find a doctor to do the procedure.
@1truekhaleesi I understand some of these Prolife people: some are just people who like to control others , another category has fertility problems and wishes for a glut of adoptable babies so that adoption instances lower their requirements.
@jacquesvol well thats selfish
@1truekhaleesi it's human. If you see others dumping something you'd like to have very much it's human to react against it. They just want other girls to bear and give birth to kids for them without going towards the commercial ways. That's why they insist more on unborn life than on good treatment of existing children.
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@jacquesvol why did you comment this on mine instead of making ur own
@1truekhaleesi accept my apologies, please.
@jacquesvol You sir, are right on point, as is that nun. Pro-birthers are like the plague. THEY are the ones who are truly selfish. How can people possibly call anyone selfish for NOT wanting to bring an unwanted child into the world? How?
@YouAreAbysmal I'm not a pro birthed either its but I just don't think the few strong smart beautiful goal oriented people in the world should abort because we have a lot to offer world we are rare type that's dying out because a lot of us don't have children and don't pass our strength and smarts along and meanwhile dumb asses keep popping out babies so he'll yeah i think it's selfish because the the people that should have children abort and the ones that shouldn't have kids have several
I don't agree with abortion.. But it's best if some people don't have kids.. Otherwise they would end up in the garbage, toilet, or dead.. LOL..
What is the point of this mytake exactly?
You have a lot of growing up to do.
I just felt like writing it.
I feel like you need friends lol
No I actually went out to breakfast with coworkers the day I wrote this. I can just type fast on my ipad.
Then why do you even feel the need to write stuff like this if you have a fulfilling social life?
Again, I just felt like it. Took only twenty minutes and added a few pictures.
Yeah 20 minutes and for what? It's literally just you giving an update on your personal life and thoughts, this isn't facebook.
How is this an update? I have always felt this way. And yes, my thoughts kind of that is the whole point of a my take.
It's just an update of what you're thinking about. I thought this was actually gonna bring up some interesting points about the subject or at least create discussion, but nope it's just you being a weirdo.
There isn't going to be a discussion anywhere. If I got pregnant, I would get an abortion ASAP. The fuckin title says that I would get an abortion, where is the word discussion anywhere? The only time people can discuss what to do with my uterus is after I am dead and it is cut out of my cold, dead body. And only because I am an organ donor.
"some interesting points about the subject or at least create discussion" Jesus Christ can you not read? I didn't mean a discussion about your case personally. I meant discussion about abortion in general. What I'm saying is that maybe you need a more fulfilling social life if you feel the need to use this site the same way a normal person would use facebook. (Well a normal person wouldn't write something like this in the first place)
But this isn't about abortion in general. This is just me, my thoughts, etc. If you want a discussion, then start one. Dont like it, dont read it. There problem solved and yes it is as simple as scrolling. I mostly use facebook for dogs pics. Why do you care so much about my social life?
I don't, you're the one sharing your random fucking thoughts as a mytake. And I literally just told you that judging from the title I thought this mytake was actually gonna create some interesting discussion. But sure I'll remember to ignore your mytakes from now on if they're all gonna be irrelevant crap like this.
You will ignore them? Fantastic. Our paths rrely cross. You aren't a reasonable person to have a discussion with and the only time you even acknowledged me, was to argue. I always assumed you ignored them unless you disagreed with it.
I'm a perfectly reasonable person unlike you. You act like a 14 year teen who wants to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. For example: "I'd wear the sexiest dress I could find to my fetuses funeral" You are ridiculous. Either way my whole problem with this post was that it doesn't create any type of discussion about anything other than your personal life. So why are you so eager to share your personal life with random strangers on this website? Get friends.
Because I am petty like that. Did you expect me to be crying? Again, why do you care so much about my life? There's plenty of people on here having discussions. Just not you.
That's not being petty, that's being an immature attention whore. And I literally just told you that I don't care about your personal life. I couldn't give less of a fuck about what you would do if you got pregnant. I just gave you criticism about how completely purposeless this mytake is.
That's nice dear. And? I don't care if you dont like this take. You don't like me in general. Which is fine. can't win them all. But you literally nitpick everything I fuckin say here and argue with me about it. Who the fuck cares? It's the internet.
I have nothing against you as a person, in fact I really don't care about you as a person. I just told you my personal opinion about how fucking pointless this mytake was. Nitpick everything you say? I remember talking to you only once before. Don't be such a drama queen.
No, I have really good memory and I dont forget names or faces. I may have planned your murder as well. I did block you in the past, but I am trying to get along with you, so I unblocked you. I see that was a mistake. I remember you because you told me that I would change my mind about not wanting children. And instead of getting my tubes tied, I should just take birth control until I die. You probably remember me under the name Ginny Weasley. I also remember you saying how odd I am and that I am going to die alone or whatever the fuck. Yes, another person felt the my take was pointless but they dropped the subject when I them I just felt like writing it. Of course, they didn't give me a longwinded argument about my social life especailly when nobody on this site knows me at all.
Oh you're that girl. Well yeah you're 20 so it's pretty fucking ridiculous to talk about getting your tubes tied when your brain hasn't even stopped developing yet. And yes you are an extremely odd person, do you really think it's normal to plan someones murder because they disagree with you? And with your current attitude I find it hard to believe you manage to build many meaningful relationships but I'm sure you will mature at some point.
My cousin knocked his girlfriend up at the ripe age of sixteen. They decided to keep it. If someone younger than me can decide to have a baby, I can decide not to have one. I hate you because you're an ass. Simple as that. I tried to be nice to you, but I am not going to have a meaningful conversation with you. Again, I dont like you. So you already have a biased view of how I am to people. I walk down the street and will say hi to everybody but you. I was drinking alcohol when I was 19. Me deciding to drink at that age will affect me permanently just like my permanent decision to not have kids.
Didn't I literally just tell you that I couldn't care less about how you choose to act in case you get pregnant? I did so why are you still going on about it? I DO NOT CARE. My view is based on your actions, it isn't biased. And just because you drink alcohol now doesn't mean you will for the rest of your life. I don't think you understand how permanent decisions work.
You judging my social life is what I am talking about. Not the possibility of me getting pregnant. I know I will be because no one knows me better than me. I don't think you understand the meaning of, "let people live their life and mind your own business"
"mind your own business" You do realize you're posting all of this online publically? The point is that this post was pointless and that you need a more fulfilling social life if you feel the need to give updates like these about your life to random strangers.
Nobody here on this site knows me. This is all trivial small talk with small minds like yours. I talk about my life here all the time. I post questions about my life and I even made a my take about my trip to Europe. And then I am going to make a my take about charities I want to donate to. there's only two people here that know my real name. And nobody knows my family's darkest secret. Still dont care and I really question why you think you influence my life at all.
Your name is Jordan. I don't think I influence your life. I think this mytake was fucking pointless and I questioned why you decided to make it at all.
How do you know my name? I said why I made this my take. We have been over this.
It's not very hard to find out lol. And yes we have been over this so why are you still whining?
Because you seem to have slow learning abilities and can't seem to get the point. I don't want to talk to you longer than necessary.
Still weird you know my name because I definitely never told you it.
I have been told I go off on tangents. Could easily be reversed and I could say if you don't like it, don't read it. That's right. I did.
@1truekhaleesi the simplists thrrowing around insults are the petty people here.
It's good that you stick to your plans and won't let anyone bully you into something else. People should be glad there might one day be one less orphan in the world because of you.
At 20 I understand but I've met a few women who did a 180 when they got knocked up. They had the kid and just put it up for adoption. Might be a difference of opinion if I was the father of the kid. At my age I'd say I am ready to have one and could care less if the mom moved on after it's birth.
Not evil, just practical. Did you decide on your dream holiday, yet?
Not yet. I would love to go to New York though.
Good choice. I've been there twice.
As a new Englander I am required to say that new York is a terrible place full of crime and people who hate everyone that is not a new yorker
@Waffles731 They seemed to like us old Englanders just fine. Maybe it's just you guys? :)
Just saw this...
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An old friend of mine who is pro-life once saw this and refused to answer it. Said it was a stupid question and said girls who get abortions are immoral sluts even though she claims to be Christian. Notice the emphasis on how she is an old friend.
@goaded I only had the text of this dilemma :)
I read this take in reverse order. Still makes sense. It's ok to be evil. Some time we have to compromise other's lives to save ours. Also do share your world tour experience with us. Stay in touch :)
Nothing wrong with that as long as you're sure. You sound sure of yourself. Good for you! Wouldn't wear that dress to a funeral though. Priest will fall over into the hole and that always awkward.
I got my ex pregnant and I convinced her to have an abortion as she was still young. I believe bringing a child to this tough world should be a carefully made decision. And a desired one too. And the parents should be suitable for that. but just popping kids and then be a single mom who end up giving the kid up like in Kelly Rowland case is not the best thing to do
SO what you are saying is not murdering you child and giving him/her to a loving family is not the best thing to do... umm...
@sean1234 And you think giving up your child to total strangers who might not be very loving after all is the best way to? Hmm smart enough?
@sean1234 you better be starting reading books buddy...
Well then I guess you will never know. Try not to jump off a cliff sir, because everyone you ever meet from now on just might not be very loving to you.
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Disagree with you here dude. Promoting murder isn't excellent.
@lord_chilled At the moment of legal abortion there's no baby, no child. Just a pea or bean sized blob of cells without conscience or ability to feel. No murder thus.
Yes it is. What you call a "pea" or a "bean" is in fact, very alive and growing. It is called a zygote and pro choice devils are dehumanizing it by calling it words such as the ones you described. When you abort a zygote, you are ending what could have been a person, a child, a man/woman, husband/father/wife/mother. You are ending a LIFE before it had any CHOICE in the matter. Its not okay to terminate a person who has been given life, just because they aren't able to say NO yet, wether thats an infant, or a zygote.
@lord_chilled Why do you think vegetarians still eat eggs?
Also, I'd love to read your answer to this:
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@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Feel free to add your response to the hypothetical. 1000 frozen fertilised human embryos or 1 toddler?
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy me a 👹? No.
@lord_chilled life starts when a guy gets a boner, is that the next pro life frontier?
@goaded lol okay. First of all , i didn't know vegetarians eat human eggs, so thats a new one. thank you very much for enlightening me (how this fits into the description , i will never find out) As for the hypothetical scenario, the toddler it is. The toddler, if i save him is likely to survive as long as his dumbass parents will take the lesson and be careful from now on. 1000 frozen, fertilized eggs? Shit , what guarantee do i have that any of those will make it? As far as im concerned, once you take it out of the womb, there is no guarantee that it will survive. The only situation, i would save the container with the embryos over the child would be if everyone else is dead via some apocalyptic event, and i had to repopulate the planet. Then i would take that chance, wether i liked it or not. But then again, in that situation, there would be no running trains. And obviously no one would leave a container full of embryos on the railway tracks.
Jac, its been a while since you have been in a biology class, so let me take you back, and enlighten your mind with some wisdom. A boner is what happens when a male's penis becomes engorged with blood, usually a response to arousal. A boner, doesn't develop into a child, a bit impractical, wouldn't it be? Males produce these things called semen, in their testicles, and women produce ovum or eggs in their ovaries, to keep things simple. Semen contain sperm which are cells who have a life span of a few days. Sperm do NOT grow into babies. Eggs also do NOT grow into babies. When a male has unprotected vaginal intercourse with a female, deoending on her menstrual cycle, there is a various percentage of chance that a sperm might penetrate and fuse with the ovum. Once the sperm fuses with the ovum, a new being , called a zygote is formed. Now THIS, is new life. This is what grows into a baby. This is a new person separate from the dad and mom , has its own dna and related personality
This is not an argument. This is a scientific fact. Anyone that disputes it, is in denial or is simply ignorant. A zygote has all the information and capacity to form this new life, this newly made person. And no one has the right to decide to end that life, not their mother, not their father. No one! If you had a part in making it, your gonna have a part in seeing it develop and raising it. If you can't do that, then you had no business having sex in the first place. Adult business yields adult responsibilities. All pro lifers do is defend the life of a person who can't defend himself/herself yet. And trust me , we are more informed on the issue than the lot of the pro choice people. The good guys vs bad guys in pro life vs pro abortion is so obvious that the left had to get into dirty fighting and bring up a bs excuse that involved a new victim (the choiceless woman) and change the whole point of the issue into something else (women's choice)
Well let me tell you, those " helpless women" made their choice when they had sex. In the vagina of all places. Sex doesn't always lead to pregnancy, but if you have vaginal sex, you are at the likelyhood of creating new life. To then reject that life means you are just saving your own skin, over another life, your own CHILD'S life at that. This means that your job, your reputation, your appearance, is more important to you than your childs life. That is as narcisistic as a person can be. Women who undergo abortion for any reasons other than to literally save their own life, or because of legit rape, are straight down evil. and rhe men who support them are just as bad. If you are a properly informed (not leftist media brainwashed) , kind hearted person, its not difficult at all to choose between the stance of pro choice vs pro murder
@lord_chilled It's because eggs are not chickens, obviously.
@lord_chilled More than half of zygotes don't make it, completely naturally (God's will?). Some of them turn into identical twins (two souls?). None of them have any kind of personality because they're not people yet.
@goaded "It's because eggs are not chickens, obviously." This is a dumbass argument that doesn't have a relevance here. First off, vegetarians can be pro choice or pro life. Secondly, even if they are pro life, pro life isn't an extention to ALL life, especially for non vegetarians, pro life, in general, is a term used for HUMAN life. Thirdly, if vegetarians didn't eat eggs, and still ate chickens, (if you believe that chicken lives matter) , , how is that a point of moral superiority. And if they ate eggs and chicken, there is really no point in your argument. Now that we cut the bs, lets get serious. 1) not more than half of zygotes die, if thats what your saying. That doesn't seem to be the statistics i heard. Regardless of the percentage, that was left up to nature. You can die from a heart attack. Is it ok to kill a person with high cholesterol , because of that? 2) some turn into identical twins. Cool, two lives, now the argument becomes, is it okay to kill two lives instead of
One? Easy enough for me, nah its not okay to kill two lives. And i get your nitpicking, dont think im stupid. When a zygote develops into two persons, if they are identical twins, you get two people with similar but not exact physical and behavioural traits. I dont know HOW and WHAT makes it happens, but if were talking souls, im sure they dont just share 1 soul, they got their own. I dont see this point as very important to life vs death. You seem to be arguing for shits and giggles. 3)" None of them have any kind of personality because they're not people yet"-finally an argument. No zygotes aren't grown human beings. They are still developing. But they have all the life force ( energy and genetic information, for you guys that only accept scientific terms) needed to develop into a fully grown person with a distinct personality. Just like a baby doesn't have much of a personality either, neither does it have much general development (cant walk, can't talk , has low attention span)
These are all developmental stages. Zygote, fetus, baby, child, adolescent, adult. If im to use a pro choicer argument, what is the next thing pro choicers come up with? Its okay to kill a baby because it can't think properly and can't tell you wether it wants to live or not, so ot should be the moms choice wether to kill it or not? The mom is the one breastfeeding it, taking care of it, and it affects her work, social life and general health, so she should have the CHOICE to kill it and move on with her life? Because its not really all too different from aborting a child in the womb. A zygote is alive. And its growing, differentiating and developing every single second. This is scientifically proven. That is a human life right there and you cannot deny it. To abort it means to take away another persons chance at doing everything that you could be doing, exept you dont give them a chance to say no, let alone fight back, because they aren't developed enough to say no. Like killing a baby..
@lord_chilled Since you don't even seem to understand what a vegetarian is, I'm out. Bye.
@goaded yeah thats right. Since you dont have any counter arguments you flee. Keep being pro murder you piece of shite
@lord_chilled Look, it's simple. An acorn is not a tree, an egg is not a chicken and a zygote is not a person. Only 30% to 50% of conceptions progress past the first trimester.
@goaded no its not simple. Human lives are more important than fucking chickens or trees. And it doesn't matter what percentage of zygotes make ot, YOU have no right, NO RIGHT to play god with another life. Even playing by your demonic ideology, If a zygote was gonna become a fully grown human, then YOU are the one who terminated that possibly. You denied the possibility for that person to exist. What makes you think you can do that? Give me any answer. But no a zygote is a life. Ot has all the energy and genetic information required to develop and therefore is a stage of human life. Scientific facts. Dispute this bruh
@lord_chilled https://i.imgur.com/XYL0Iov.jpg
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Real mature of you old man. I bet you werent allowed to say any of that when you were a kid. Does it feel good letting all that out? And tell me again how this contributed to your pro choice delusional argument
And by the way, i already explained to you how sperm and eggs NEVER develop into humans. If you wanna go in circles im just gonna copy paste my comments, i didn't write it all down neatly for you to just spout bs anyway. If you do suffer from memory loss, i can understand, but let me know
@lord_chilled OK I see you don't understand it. Your bad.
I understand it very well, and i think its below me to comment on that. Go play with some children if this is the extent of your intellect. Ah, my bad. Forgot you dont exactly like kids.
@lord_chilled you try it with an ad hominem now? Stay in your pub
Bog words dont make you smarter of you can't do logic old man
@lord_chilled I knew logic before your parents ended their puberty.
I basically explained to you once already something about your second stupid, stupid meme which makes it non relevant. I explained it again. Im gonna tell you for the last f*cking time you ignorant sociopathic devil. A sex cell AKA Sperm and an egg, do NOT, I REPEAT DI NOT, I REPEAT A THIRD TIME , DO NOT mature into a human. They can't. They exist as they do for a few days and then disintegrate. thats it, gone. A zygote is something completely new and completely different , it has 46 chromosomes, has all the genetic information needed for a new, unique person, and is actively growing into said person. Very, very, very very very different things. No pro lifers say anything about killing sex cells. They aren't human. They are cells with half the chromosomes of a normal cell. We have a problem with the way you guys dont take zygotes as a new life. Learn the f*cking difference. I knew this would happen and some stupid pro deather would bring this shit up, ehich is why i had already
Explained that in the beginning. But you either didn't read or chose to ignore. pro choicers are the most stupid, moronic, narcisistic, idiots i have ver met anywhere. And you, oh i have known that the only thing worse than a fool is an old fool. But something even worse than that is a stubborn old fool
@lord_chilled Sperm and eggs are human too and alive.
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And the first meme. Oh my lord. Atheist or not im sure you have heard enough of the bible to know this is bs. But since you are an idiot,,, im gonna go at it again. The first sentence was about the FIRST man. There is nothing about god breathing life into every single man. God basically molded the first man and then the first woman. that is if you believe in it. Wether in the bible or scientific, every single human after that (with the exeption of jesus) was created by sex. Sex, lead to inception, lead to pregnancy, lead to childbirth. Simple as that. So that second sentemce makes no sense, its about the first man, not all men. The bible doesn't say that about all people, all subsequesnt people were made by sex. Its like the question of the chicken or the egg coming first and christians believe someone made the first chicken, to put it simply. Jesus christ man. How can you be this stupid? You have no arguments. Literally zero arguments. Amd then you post memes someone else made, the
The most ridiculously stupid ones at that, and then you just claim i dont get them. Really? Make a meme of 2+2 = 4. Yaay 5 doesn't exist, its not in the meme,,, you cand understand it coz you are stiuuupiidhh,,,, Wth is wrong with you. You cannot be this f*cking stupid. Your probably just talking shit to get a reaction. Are you the old guy at your gym that walks around naked in the locker room? Dtay on your meds and take a nap. And stop drinking that leftist feminazi cool aid that you have drinking all your sorry life
Parents, eh? Add petty to the stubborn old fool. And sperm cells are motile, and they and an egg are as alive as any muscle fiblre or nerve cell. They are not human. They have 23 chromosomes. They can never develop into anything that they aren't themselves. I got scientific facts in my claims. Your attempt at making fun of me is futile. You are just stating random shite, and then im the guy who uses a strawman. The irony. You lost and i won. Deal with it. Have some dignity in being intellectually inferior in this subject. At least goaded had some legit arguments. You are a joke. You are the type of guy that makes me lose all respect for the elderly. Like i asked, do you enjoy showing your wrinkly naked body to the younger guys in the gym? Do you enjoy grossing people out for fun?
@lord_chilled Lord Protector of the zygotes. You'd be funny if you coul discuss without getting personal. Get off your soapbox, preachers don't convince but the convinced.
I intend to protect anyone i can form this societal cancer and madness. So i dont mind taking your supposedly "mocking" title at all. And you started with petty and personal from the start, so dont throw rocks okay. You live in a glass house. All i preach is the truth, the forgotten distorted truth that some satanic elites have distorted and buried to lead society into this world of pain and sin. And i will continue to do so. I will build a family with a wife and kids and live a normal , good life and teach them whats right and whats wrong, and ket them grow up with a moral compass, to survive and stay true to themselves in this world of lies and deception.
@lord_chilled It's not the truth, though. You're right, a zygote is a potential person, but, as you've agreed, potential people aren't as important as actual people (even at 1000:1). How about this hypothetical: you can save 60kg of people from a burning building; do you take the lightly pregnant woman, or her two small children? How about if she was pregnant with twins? Would that really make that much of a difference?
@goaded okay, lets roll with that. Do you think its okay to take the life of a potential person? What makes you think that you have a right to just click yes or no on wether that person can grow up or not? If you want to know my clear stance, i only condone abortions if 1) the mothers life is in danger (yes, i will choose the pre existing life over the potential one) 2) in case of rape (my stance and argument against abortion is that the woman had the choice to have sex. If she made the choice to have sex, she is gonna have to take responsibility for her actions. And pregnancy is one of the things that can happen with sex, but rape takes away that choice. In case of rape she never consented to the possibility of having a child) Hiwever most abortions, (especially like the askers hypothetical ones) are done just because the pregnancy and childbirth would AFFECT a pre existing life, not end it. You can't just say no to another life because its a f*cking nuisance. Thats unacceptable
@lord_chilled a potential is not more than a possibility.
@goaded as for your question, i really can't make uo my mind. By lightly pregnant, you mean its not visible enough where i can see. So i wouldn't be thinking of that. But even if it was visible, i wouldn't know if it was a kid or twins. So either im saving a woman (im not thinking of the fetus) at the expense of two kids, or im saving a pregnant woman (idk how many kids) at the expense of two kids, or im saving the two kids at the expense Of the woman and her potential children. There is no way i can make either decision without it haunting me for the rest of my life. Either way i let someone die whom i could have saved. Maybe two kids. Maybe a woman and her future kids. Its a hard decision and i can't make it. Because to me the point is that someone will have to die, not the number of people im saving. I wouldn't freeze uo tough id save someone in that situation. If they are small children and the woman seems too hysterical i might take the kids as there is i higher chanve i can get out
With them alive.. If the woman is scared and docile, and the children are running around and less controllable, i might save the woman, because she seems to be the one with whom i can get out alive in time. Its a split second decision, so you have to take in certain factors and come to a conclusion fast. Either way, id still feel bad after. And neither option would make me feel better or worse
@lord_chilled Well, I guess at least we've established that potential person < actual person, at which point it's possible to have a reasonable conversation (but I'm not going to have that one, thanks, this has probably gone on long enough). I think in the hypothetical situation, I'd always save the kids. Either the mother would be begging me to, in which case I'd respect her wishes, or she wouldn't, and she'd be a horrible person (but I'd tell everyone she begged me to take the kids!). The pregnancy wouldn't come into it. ...
@lord_chilled If you're going to accept some abortions on limited moral grounds, I've got two last statements. 1. I'd suggest that the Asker made her decision not to have a baby when she used contraceptives and to force her to bring one to term when it's not necessary is immoral. 2. Practically, you're not going to stop abortions from happening. To ensure the least possible harm, and reduce the number of abortions, the best thing to do is ensure there is good, fact-based, sex education so that children can recognise when they're not ready and take all possible precautions when they do decide to have sex (which, in some cases won't be before marriage).
@goaded Oh, i didn't think the woman was the mother of the other two kids. in that case she would most likely urge me to save the kids as well. I don't know... well, i know a lot of people go kids > adults. But tbh its just as hard to let helpless adults die. by the way i have been in a hiusefire situation. Luckily i didn't have to save anyone exept myself
@goaded The asker has made her decision, but as an adult she needs to understand that pregnancy is still a chance. The only reasons where i accepted abortion, is on very extreme cases. Her reason is unacceptable. To terminate life on such reasons, is immoral and she needs to know. If having children is so unacceptable for her, she better just not have sex. Committing acts without taking responsibilities, especially in such a case as this where you could have avoided terminating a potential life, will invite scrutiny from me. As adults, i dont think such behaviour should be encouraged. As for your second point, i completely agree
@lord_chilled "If having children is so unacceptable for her, she better just not have sex." But people just don't work that way. With multiple precautions, she's reduced the chances of a pregnancy to less than 1% for a year of sex. Even then, if it actually happens, and her partner is supportive, she may well change her mind and have the baby. Forcing someone to carry a child they don't want or forcing them (if only by pressure of "morality", let alone closing all the abortion clinics in a state) to delay the abortion only makes a bad situation worse.
@goaded oh but thats just how people worked for centuries. Sex isn't something that just accidentally happens. Its a conscious decision. And it does have results. You are really defending her while she is on bad grounds, the way she speaks is completely vile and full of hate. she's not gonna be convinced of anything. Forcing someone to go trough birth is still better than ending a life that has been created. If she doesn't want the baby, she can give it up. There are millions of people who would love to have a child but cannot. They would adopt.
@lord_chilled For those centuries women didn't have a choice. The Asker isn't full of hate, she just knows it's not the right time for her to have a baby, and she'll do everything she can to avoid it, and in the most responsible way possible. Come up with a 100% reliable contraception and abortion rates will drop even further (it's already halved since 1980, in the US). It almost seems that you want it to be a punishment. (What crimes do you get 9 month hard labour for?)
@goaded yes they did. They had the choice wether to have sex or not. And you know what they did? Abstinence. Before contraceptives, abstinence was the number 1, safety method. And it was 100% effective. The asker is narcissitic and full of hate. Trust me , there is nothing worse than a woman that dislikes kids. If you dont get that from her description, look at her responses to some comments. Its like she's enjoying it. No not a punsihment, i want people to accept and take responsibility for their actions. If people did that instead of being irresponsible f*cks, the world would be a better place, if you have sex and get pregnant, let it happen naturally, and let the kid be born. If you knock up a girl, dont fucking run away, be a father to the child. If your policies and laws turned out to be bullshit, accept that and either step down from the leadership position, apologize, or at least take them down and implement new policies. People HAVE to take responsibilities.
Abortion debate is like a debate between those who prefer ketchup and those who prefer mayonnaise
That's great. Keep it up!👍
I'm pro-choice, but I wouldn't date a girl whow would have an abortion (other than medical reasons)
I've actually never been with/ know a girl who would have an abortion. I guess my circles are different.
But hey do you. Who am I to judge. #Respect
" I'm pro-choice, but I wouldn't date a girl whow would have an abortion (other than medical reasons)" You're not pro choice, you are "whatever-benefits-my-opinion-more" person.
@lyannamormont NO, I just wouldn't date a girl who would have one, nor would I judge others or prevent them from having one. It's like I support people's right to smoke , but that doesn't mean I'm going to smoke or date a girl who smokes. So try again...
@lyannamormont Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion. It means we think everyone should make their own choice. It doesn't mean that we agree with that choice or we would do the same for ourselves. I might be okay with weed being legal, but it doesn't mean I would smoke it or I would like to date someone who smokes it.
@yougurt what is the difference between being prolife vs only prochoice under medical reasons? As far as my concern, financial problems, age, not being ready etc. all are variables affecting THE CHOICE. now you get your illogical “logic”? You not dating someone who is prochoice under all circumstances and may get abortion if she feel that’s the right thing tto do means you are not tolerant, you just “bear” with the situation.
@lyannamormont you do know many women wouldn't be open to any abortion right? As I said previously, I've never dated/know a woman personally who would have one. So it's not like I'm just turning down women for being pro-choice. I respect everyone's stance on the matter. I don't even know why this is bothering you.
@lyannamormont I may be pro-choice and decide that I would never, under any circunstance, get an abortion. What don't you understand about the concept of being pro-choice? It's agreeing that each woman should have the right to decide by herself whether or not to get an abortion. It's different that saying "if I get pregnant I have no problem in getting an abortion" like the asker stated. If a man is pro-choice but wouldn't want to abort his own kid, of course he should know the woman's opinion on that, since the pregnant woman is the one who makes the decision to abort. It doesn't mean that he thinks women shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion. It just mean that he doesn't want his own baby to be aborted. Read the smoking analogies again.
Your false claim of "prochoice" is bothering me. Your stand is "I don't approve but I respect", it is not "I am prochoice only under medical conditions". Yes, many women already have hard time deciding on an abortion. It's not something like you pick a donut from donut menu in Dunkin Donuts. It's emotionally, and psychologically a hard decision to make. Going through pregnancy just to put the baby in adoption is also hard to go through. So why would you bother to continue pregnancy? Because there was "no medical reason" to end the pregnancy?
@yougurt Are you his lawyer? I am discussing with him, not with you. It's his hypocrisy bothering me. I wouldn't date a girl who would have abortion, which means I only date prolife ones, and it means you just tolerate others, it's not out of respect. If he truly respected "EVERY' woman's right to have abortion under any circumstances, he would think of the same thing for the woman he would date. Please stop being fake pro-choice. I would respect more if he said: I am pro-life as long as the baby and mother are not in danger health-wise. Yet, I don't judge women who would like to get abortion for other reasons. Thou, I would not consider them as a potential partner due to my prolife stand on this issue.
@lyannamormont He doesn't have to change his words for you. He already said it perfectly and you are starting to sound snobby and conceited.
@BraveHeart97 You're discussing with him and I'm discussing with you, because I agree with him and you're not understanding the meanings of pro-choice and pro-life. What you wrote ("I am pro-life as long as the baby and mother are not in danger health-wise. Yet, I don't judge women who would like to get abortion for other reasons.") is not being pro-life. It's being pro-choice! Being pro-life means you don't think abortion should be legal for anyone. Some pro-life people may allow the exception of rape or health issues, but not all. Pro-choice means that you think it should be legal even if it's for other reasons. It means that women should decide what to do with their bodies. Being pro-choice doesn't mean I would do an abortion or not!
I meant to tag @lyannamormont. I hope that after so many replies you finally understood.
@yougurt it is not me not understanding, it is you still looking at the thing out of the same box. Expand your side views a little cuz i am tired of trying to explain the same shit with different words.
@lyannamormont 1). I never asked your opinion on this subject matter ( You jumped in) (2) I don't care what you think and I'm not going to change my view on this just to make you happy. 3) Fuck Off because I don't live my life to please you. As I said before I've never met a women in real life who would ever have any abortion. So this isn't even an issue for me to deal with on a day to day basis... Fine you want to claim back a silly label. Then I'm not "pro-choice"( but my view still stands ) so I hope you feel really good and happy now "Pro-choice police" You literally threw a fit over a label. Congrats 👏👏❤
Ok ok. Dont write opinions if you dont expect comments over your stupidity
Another woman destroyed by career obsession. Material wealth is your god.
I always wanted a good career I enjoy. I love my job so much, I look forward to going into work. Sorry you dont feel the same about your job.
You don't enjoy your career. There are things you'd rather be doing that but you tell yourself you love it to ease the pain of servitude.
No, I do love it. You could say the same thing about parenthood.
Would you keep going to work if they stopped paying? Parenthood is at least healthy, and at least couples with children will have someone to take care of them in their old age, to raise, to walk down the isle, to buy ice cream for. What will you have? A cat? Will your boss hold your hand and hug you and tell you he loves you when you're 90 year old? You have nothing. Just some green paper and the, "things" and, "stuff" you've amassed.
Yeah. I dont do this for the money. Having a child just so you're taken care of, is selfish. Plus, I worked in a nursing home and a lot of the residents were abandoned by their kids. There was one woman who would cry and cry for her son. One resident told me, "that one mother has time for ten children. But ten children don't have time for one mother." I will have a career I love and am proud of. She might actually do that. Dont tempt my boss.
Also I have a life outside of work. I have a bucket list that is six pages long. I want to travel, a lot. I also love volunteering and donating to charity. I would prefer a dog.
So your labor is voluntary then? You could just stop working and retire now? Only one facet of what I stated could remotely be interpreted as a stretch and even that's disputable. While I'm certain that some kids abandon their parents, you'd still be less likely to be abandoned. And let's not kid ourselves, your boss is not a replacement for potential family.
Yes. My parents make very, very good money. I know its hard to think of, but there are people that enjoy their jobs. I actually don't see myself retiring. I love this job so much, I am not sure I will retire. To be fair, you have to love this job in order to survive this field. I still have life insurance though. I appreciate the concern but I have a very large family.
Ah, so you're very comfortable in your shackles. Well, I shan't stop you. Enjoy.