If a Girl gets raped by a hot guy and enjoys it, is it really rape?

[Anonymous]

It was a class debate and wanted to hear your opinion.

[SomeOtherGuy]

In this case, how do you define enjoyment?

The body can become aroused despite whether you are being raped or not. Stimulation will trigger arousal. This happens to men who are "made to penetrate" and women as well.

Regardless, even if half way through she started to mentally enjoy it, (Stockholme's Syndrome?) without consent it is still considered rape.

It has nothing to do with the behavior of the victim, and it never should.

It has everything to do with the behavior of the person committing the act.
In the end, that's what's important.

[Illusive_Man]

How is it even a "debate"?
Rape = Non-consensual sexual violence that might or might not involve sex.

He could be Brad Pitt's pit or Cumberbatch's patch but that's still rape regardless ain't it?

[diegoD]

you must be so ugly you could never get away with something like this like

[Anonymous]

Dont really see what being "hot" has to do with getting raped but whatever...
To answer your question, yes it is still rape even if she orgasms.
I was raped and the guy forced me to orgasm. Its the worst feeling in the world when your own body betrays you like that...

[dvc0006]

when was the last time you had sex before that incident?

[DivineAliah]

No it isn't rape because she enjoyed it! BUT! If she's under aged (I. e. any age below 18!) and he's like 21 or something then yes that's considered statutory rape because she's a minor. With statutory it doesn't matter if she liked it or not he'll still go to jail.

[whyte6094]

It's still rape but she may not classify it as that if she enjoyed it.

[mistninja314]

From her POV, it's not rape

From our POV, it's rape

Overall if she liked it I don't know how you would cut this 1 (right or wrong/... hmmm) i1127.photobucket.com/.../ezgif.com-add-text_7.gif

[kheserthorpe]

Rape is about consent not enjoyment.

If someone hot has sex with yiu against your will it's rape.

If someone ugly has crappy sex you consented to that's nt rape.

Now consent can be withdrawn during sex. I suppose consent can be given during sex as well which would make what follows not rape but not change what happened without consent.

[KHaskins]

Consent can be withdrawn, yes, at which point it should stop immediately - if it does stop, however, it doesn't retroactively become rape.

Otherwise we run into situations where someone can change their mind after the fact and re-cast a consensual sex act as rape, getting the other party in trouble in the interest of protecting their own reputation - like the first person in this list did.

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[kheserthorpe]

@Khaskins yes. The rape and then consent case is a little odd. Not sure how it would be treated.

[vjreejr]

Yes. Your enjoyment is irrelevant. The fact that he forced himself on you without your permission makes it rape. That's it. Case closed. It's just that simple.

[RandomStudent]

If she didn't give consent, she was raped, period.

[Random_chick_2384]

If he forced her, it's rape even if she enjoyed it.

[ArabianPwincess197]

Yes because it was still by force

[Yellowbone]

You answered your question in the question.

[TripleAce]

Well the question here I think before we ask if its rape or not

is:
enjoying hot guy sex = Its ok have sex with me?

if yes then its not rape or it not rape once she starts enjoying it... Its only rape is she is not able to consent to it or refuses to have sex with the guy...

If its hot guy sex = I don't give a shit, get off me
Which in that case I don't see how she can enjoy it, its surely rape

[JackKerouac77]

Does "enjoy" imply consent in any way? If so, I guess it's not. If no, then it is rape.

[ButterSauce]

It's rape if it was forced, bottom line

[neoclassica]

She can call the police for rape with a smile on her face...

[diegoD]

or she can tell him to do it over and over again

[ScruffyNerfHerder]

I'd say it's still rape--it was initiated without consent. But due to her change in feelings (I assume she mustn't have been enjoying it at the onset), I doubt she'd report it.

So, I'd label it as likely being an unreported rape (and would suggest to her to seriously consider psychological help due to her inability to make self-validating and self-preserving judgments).

[SomeoneImportant]

Using the worsd "rape" and "enjoys it" in the same sentence makes no sense.

If she is being raped, it's agianst her will, therefore not consenting to it or enjoying it.

If she is enjoying it, it's not rape.

[Despondency]

That's not true. A large number of rape cases actually have the female orgasm. Sex is a physical action, not a mental or emotional one, and physical responses like orgasm are inevitable in many cases.

[SomeoneImportant]

Orgasm is irrelevant. Some fat old ugly man could tie me down and ride me for half an hour, and I'll eventually ejaculate. Did I enjoy having my penis up his butt? No. Did I enjoy the orgasm? No, but it was just a natural physical reaction, no enjoyment was involved. I know I basically just retyped what you did, but my point is, just because orgasm happens, doesn't mean it was enjoyable at all. Which makes it rape

[SomeoneImportant]

@Despondency

[Despondency]

The problem with this is that you attempt to make a strong disconnect between orgasm and it's pleasurable effects and enjoyment as a mental capacity. They are not separate. There is an intense emotional toll on victims of almost any crime involving assault, but especially rape, where there was any amount of pleasure of any sort felt. It's one reason why sexual assault can be so difficult to deal with; sometime it really does just "feel good" even if it is a clear violation.

[SomeoneImportant]

@Despondency Are orgasms pleasurable? Yes, but to say someone enjoyed the violation because of a natural sexual reaction we have no control over makes no sense. Any man or woman can be forced to reach orgasm by anyone, doesn't mean they enjoy it, and you can absolutely make a disconnect between the orgasm itself, and it's mental and physical pleasurable effects. It's simply mental blockage, just because your body will naturally react a certain way without control, doesn't mean you are also forced to enjoy it.

[Despondency]

This is not something that can be explained with words because it is not something that is a logical construct. To separate one from the other, the physical biological reality from the mental repercussions. is impossible.

[SomeoneImportant]

@Despondency I get what you're saying. Naturally your body will orgasm, and it's effects are pleasurable. Your stance is no matter what you think or do, nothing will prevent them from being pleasurable, and if it's pleasurable, it's obviously enjoyable. My argument is that you can simply allow it to "pass through" I guess you could say, and simply tell yourself not to enjoy it, and mentally block out the bodies natural reaction. It's like people with high pain tolerance getting punched. Biologically, did it hurt and cause a feeling of pain? Yes, but they choose to block that out mentally, and in a sense, choose to not react to or feel the effects. Which in their mind means, no pain was felt. So on that sense, you can choose to reject the bodies natural response.

[SomeoneImportant]

So in* that sense...

[Despondency]

A high pain tolerance is a generally trained response to a very specific set of stimuli. "Trained" is the key word. There is no training for forced orgasms for most people. This is a hole that I don't think you can fill in this logic.

[SomeoneImportant]

@Despondency My point is the capability of mental blockage/rejection. It can be done, and is often done, which you claimed was impossible.

[Despondency]

It is impossible. Your entire "argument" revolves around trained professionals who need years of experience to master mental pain management. Most rape victims weren't disciples of Mr. Miyagi first.

[SomeoneImportant]

@Despondency My argument is the ability of mental blockage, to which you claimed was impossible. The exact quote "To separate one from the other, the physical biological reality from the mental repercussions. Is impossible" I then gave you an example as to how it's not. Then you simply attempted to say how my example doesn't apply by basically saying "Well those people don't count, they had years of trainining", which is just ignoring my original point of this mental capability. Which I proved was (at least by using this example) possible.

[Eugene]

Interesting perspective.

I mean, if a person enjoyed it, does a complain seems legitimate? If you were served wrong food, but you ate it and enjoyed it, can you ask for a refund?

I think in this case it cannot really be classified as one.

[Watermelonoma]

not really sure how this could be a class debate when the right answer is kinda obvious. It's not rape if she enjoyed it. You can't enjoy being raped because it wasn't consensual

[Kidanis]

not rape cause she changed her mind about consenting

[ArchDruidMordred]

The question is of whether or not she resisted. If she tried to resist than it was. If she didn't than it wasn't.

[Johnson123]

Yes it is in my opinion

[Dakota_The_Rota]

"If a girl is raped, is it really raped?" Is what I just read.

[godislovee]

that's escort, so she has to pay him $