I would say that, typically, the answer is no, but there are absolutely exceptions to that rule. I've definitely met and flirted with women who made it quite clear that they wanted the guy to be very sexually forward with them and had huge smiles when they got exactly that. We should all be able to wrap our brains around the fact that MOST women don't consider that "flirting" but rather as "sexual harassment/assault", but that a minority of women absolutely DO want it and make that quite clear with their own aggressive flirting. And different people are allowed to want different things.
I see. I learned that some women are fine to be "flirted" that way. And sadly, some men are grown up in places where there are only that type of women around them. So they don't know how to behave with manner when they get to know other women.
I agree that that's a problem. Too many see the world through a lens that only sees two opposite extremes, or "ALL women..." or "ALL men..." They can't handle nuance or subtlety or "grey areas." And to quote my own profile page: “The difference between stupid and intelligent people – and this is true whether or not they are well-educated – is that intelligent people can handle subtlety. ” ― Neal Stephenson, The Diamond Age: or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer
Thank you. I haven't read yours. Absolutely agreed. Intelligent people have a tendency to doubt more. Even it's to doubt themselves sometimes. Confidence of believing in something, esp. oneself alone implies that the person will not think twice of his actions. Once I found posts of a man on his FB who used to mention about his wish to touch a woman's breast when other ladies and me were gathering together. The posts said "I don't know what I have done wrong." I tried to raise the issue of sexual harassment among us. (It's a volunteer group.), to educate him and other men. I'm not sure they learned anything now because it's hard to make this serious if the people in the group and some "well-educated" women don't think it's such an inappropriate manner. What I can do at the moment is to share this case study to other boys that this kind of behavior is really unpleasant.
No, absolutely not. I would only start talking about sex if we are really close and that I feel like we can talk about more intimate topics like that and, when it comes to touching, this would only be reserved for when we are in a relationship and on specific occasions only like if we are making out, having sex or things like that.
Awww.. I love this. Totolly agreed. For me, touching is for someone who's already in a relationship only. I wish all men would think like you.
Thank you! :) I personally think that flirting is something you should do when you are already fond of each other and when you are close. I don't see myself flirting with and teasing someone I'm not close with because it does not feel right to me. As for touching, I'm very careful with that because that's something very touchy (no pun intended) since, at the wrong time, it can completely ruin your impression by making you look creepy and, even then, I don't feel like touching someone without love or passion behind that touch so it would only happen with a partner that makes me feel that much love and passion. To me, touch is a step even further than flirting and it's something more intimate, that requires much more closeness, especially on more "sexual" areas like breasts or the butt for example.
Lovely. I think people probably see my bias towards you now.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!Well, it's obviously not harassment if it's done the first time you meet someone; harassment is, by definition, repeated. It's also foolish to sort it into categories of wanted vs unwanted, when you can't know until you do it.
Fortunately, it doesn't matter in this case: that's not sexual harassment, it's sexual assault, which is much worse.
Right. It's better not to make these moves until you know about the person more. Well, what if a man "thinks" he knows a woman because his friends know her? Does it count?
Talking about sex is fine. It could be considered flirting, but it's pretty damn clumsy. It might not be welcome and could lead to rejection, but it's not abusive. However, "grabbing" anything is absolute sexual harassment and could be reported. A girl with the proper skills would be justified in hurting a guy who grabbed her. A broken finger or foot, or a kick in the nuts would serve him rights.
A man who does so might not be smart if he can't think of a potential outcome of his action. Thank you.
That would be asking for an immediate smack in the face.
Agreed. Not overacting, right?
@el_te_de_la_rosa Absolutely Right.
Well grabbing and touching someone without their consent is considered sexual harassment if the other person doesn’t want it , so it comes down to if you both want each other period
Thank you.
No problem 😋
Huh? What manner of simpleton made that table?
"Consent" is the key word here, as is "intent". I'm pretty certain 99% of the time anyone is getting too touchy or mouthy at first meet is meaning some sort of harm.
You're right.
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