Is masturbating the same or even worse than cheating?

[msc545]

[DermalPunch]

Masturbating is cheating actually.

Also, your hand is way tighter than a vagina. It just doesn't help for relationship intimacy. In fact it eats away at it.

I do think women should put out more. I am referring to husband wife situations and I don't think anyone is obligated to have sex in a non-legally/religiously-binding marriage relationship.

Men should also take more time to learn women's bodies and women should be more vocal about what works for them. Some men still have some Madonna/Whore complexes going on that ruins things as well.

[Daniela1982]

I agree with this.

[DermalPunch]

@Daniela1982 thanks.

[goaded]

Surely the tightness thing depends on your grip!

[pierre7i]

I agree @DermalPunch that men should take more time to learn about women's bodies - when I started doing that I realised it was an especially beautiful thing to explore a woman's body and get to know her physical sexuality AND learn from/with her what pleasures her and what SHE wants sexually. Likewise, I love it when she explores MY body and physical sexuality too ! But whilst the hand may well be tighter around the hard penis than a vagina, I can say with absolute certainty that a lovely sexually aroused vagina feels a trillion times more beautiful as it pulsates around mine when it's deep inside, and even more so if/when we;orgasm together at the same time

[DermalPunch]

@pierre7i well, I hope your attitude start to spread.

[Bricealan]

@DermalPunch I agree in theory, but not about masturbation being cheating. I am not sure about what you are indicating when you said: " Also, your hand is way tighter than a vagina" I don't know how that impacts the effect of jacking off during a relationship?

[DermalPunch]

@Bricealan it is cheating. Your thoughts are not on your partner when masturbating. So you are having separate sexual gratification likely about your arousal/desire for someone else known, unknown, real or imagined. It's cheating. Not full blown but it is an infidelity.

Re the hand vs. vagina. Also, a vagina opens wider in intercourse while your grip gets stronger while masturbating.

"Reduced sexual sensitivity – If you’re releasing sperm daily and masturbating aggressively then this may lose your sexual sensitivity. It means while you’re masturbating you hold your penis with a tight grip which reduces the sensation."

Source: www.shreeivfclinic.com/.../

[Bricealan]

While I was in a relationship with one girl, years ago, we did masturbate to EACH OTHER, and id masturbate together. That is how I learned so much about how girls manipulate their clitoris and what else they did while rubbing their clitoris.

[DermalPunch]

@Bricealan that's different. I guess. If the intention to pleasure one another better. But that's notnusually what is going on.

[Bricealan]

👍👍

[Daniela1982]

Isn't it true that after a man has orgasmed he kind of loses interest in sex for a spell? That might make him lose interest in his wife for awhile. In fact masturbation may be a reason many men are single as they are not driven to go out and seek a mate.

[msc545]

For maybe 5 minutes.

[Daniela1982]

Come on! Longer then that unless his wife is extremely hot- and young -, but I'm sure not many have that.

[msc545]

You are not a man. I am. I should think that given those facts you would recognize that my experience in this particular regard certainly exceeds yours.

[KrakenAttackin]

So do you think you own your man's cock?

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 I just spit out my drink. You beat me to the response better than I could have. Some people just want to argue with the ground.

[msc545]

@BoopBoopBeep Glad you liked that one - the person it was directed to will argue with a houseplant.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 Yeah I'm finally starting to look at user names... noticing patterns...

[msc545]

@BoopBoopBeep There are just a few of them and that really is too many.

[Daniela1982]

I got your houseplant turkey pot pie!

[BoopBoopBeep]

If there is extra turkey pot pie I would not object to a small slice.

[Daniela1982]

@BoopBoopBeep Ha! Got you! Pot pie doesn't come in slices, it come in spoonfuls. 🍲🍲

[BoopBoopBeep]

@daniela1982 I'm usually just eating it frozen out of the box like savory adult ice cream :P

[peedy]

Well considering the fact men do not have multiple orgasmes like women plus he loses his errection plus he had to fo most of the work he's probably tired give the poor man a rest and he'll be back for round two

[msc545]

@peedy Have you ever actually had sex?

[Daniela1982]

@KrakenAttackin Yeah, I got it nailed to the bulletin board.

[Bricealan]

5 minutes is a dream, even if extremely hot and young.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Bricealan I don't even go soft until my third orgasm if she knows what she's doing. 5 minutes is not uncommon at all. Believe it or not, if you've not experienced that, do more cardio, the rapidity through which a man recovers is due to the ability of the body to redivert blood flow to the spongy tissue or the penis, with a well tuned cardiovascular system that's very much improved. I don't mean "I can jog to the mailbox and back without getting winded". For example, last weekend I did a 10k and a 15k, both in body armor. Admittedly I downgraded to 34 lbs from 40 because it was suck hot and muggy out. Next weekend I'm doing that in an 8 mile and the weekend after an ultramarathon and two 5ks. Get REALLY aggressive on your cardio and you'd be shocked how much your ability to remain/recover improves. That was reason enough for me to push through the suck every time.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Not even close. One's just a faster means to an end when she's busy/asleep. The other is a betrayal of our agreement to monogamous activity.

[BoopBoopBeep]

After update: A lot of women only see it as cheating if YOU do it, too... but they're still wrong.

[msc545]

Interesting. Luckily, so far I've had no personal experience with this...

[Apple1996]

Why not just wait while she's busy/sleeping? Save up your sexual energy for her and not waste it on your hand

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Apple1996 I'm not going to run out. I'll go again when she wakes up.

[Apple1996]

It's not the same type of energy if a man has already came. You might think it's the same but it's not the same for a woman

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Apple1996 It's enough of the same that she keeps coming back, and very few women are going to be able to keep up with my stamina, sexually or physically. I'm not just going to go unsatisfied because she's at work/asleep/doing something

[Apple1996]

All women have higher stamina then men. We are biologically that way to be able to reproduce since our timing is limited we always have to be ready. It's why women have unlimited orgasms and men dont. And that's just selfish. Would not be fun having a partner that didn't want to wait for a special moment to put that energy into

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Apple1996 "all women" most assuredly not. My last ex had great stamina, she'd still tap out once we hit 12-15 times a day, but I'm talking actual physical stamina, and outside of performance athletes, no there aren't a lot of women who do marathons carrying 25% of their body weight on their back. Women don't have unlimited orgasms. They can have a great many, sure, but eventually you pass out/get sore, just like every non-cyborg out there. We were having sex 30-50 times a week, I'm sorry they're just not all "special moments."

[Apple1996]

Having sex and working out aren't the same thing especially for women. We can easily have unlimited orgasms. There is nothing stopping us. Even in our sleep we get orgasms without knowing it. Also we dont get sore we aren't dudes 😂 And no duh sex isn't special if you aren't making it special. That's the point of making the man wait out a bit and not masturbate

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Apple1996 If you've never been sore you're not trying hard enough. There's plenty of women here who know what I'm talking about. Don't believe me, strap a hitachi to your groin and keep it there for 16 hours. Tell me you feel great afterwards.

[Apple1996]

Those women are probably getting sore cause they are no longer into it. Dryness/loss of excitement. And honestly I've done more then that trying to go into labor and during my orgasmic births. Last time I gave birth I masturbated and had sex basically non stop for 2.5 days to force myself into labor. I wore a wearable toy when I had to go out 😅 Super embarrassing looking back but had to get the baby out somehow

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996 What if she uses sex as a weapon? What if sex with her sucks? What if she just completely denies her man sex?

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Apple1996 You're absolutely right.

[Apple1996]

@KrakenAttackin that is sad then and the relationship is already broken so I wouldn't blame a guy for masturbating for those reasons

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996 if she is a good women who cares about her man, doesn't use sex as a weapon, sure. But these women are almost extinct.

[msc545]

All women use sex as a weapon in one way or another. Either by offering it on a transactional basis, or withholding it on a transactional or contingent basis.

[Apple1996]

Can't speak for all women but I've definitely never used sex as a weapon. Sex is for bonding, loving and sharing pleasure with my hubby. I dont get the point of withholding that from him. Seems like a punishment for both us if I did that.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. Truth!

[msc545]

Good point actually

[Alex-Snow]

If masturbation was cheating then I would be a daily cheater... and 99% of the younger guys would be also!

[loves2learn]

I have never seen it as cheating. That is dumb. Nope. No.

[sidhagain]

Do you do it often

[ShesRad80]

masturbation with yourself is the act of self pleasure, cheating is a sexual act with another outside of your relationship. touching yourself is not cheating. nor even the same as cheating.

[Dysney1023]

I think key is what are you thinking of while masturbating? Is there orgasming to other people involved? Is your partner there and you just not wanting to take care of her too? I’m sure those are not the case for you. But there’s a lot of factors to consider of is this really cheating? In short masterbation is not cheating unless it’s selfishly done. I hope that answers your question.

[KrakenAttackin]

@dysney1023. This is a fucked up, female l, bullshit, answer.

[Dysney1023]

Really? Explain howso?

[KrakenAttackin]

You want to police what he is thinking when he is jacking off, that's absurd. How many wom n masturbate thinking about Chad Thundercock, or the bar tender from that night, but "that's OK".

[Dysney1023]

So what you’re really upset about is this imaginary double standard which you are imagining I subscribe to?

[KrakenAttackin]

@dysney1023. Your belief that you OWN your partners sexuality is unacceptable. Does he own your vagina?

[Dysney1023]

As a matter of fact he does. Lol I want a two way street.

[Dysney1023]

I didn’t realize loyalty was unacceptable 🤣

[BoopBoopBeep]

@KrakenAttackin Chad Thundercock does mix a mean martini though.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I usually think of Sophia from the Golden Girls riding a T-rex into a joust against santa clause, all to the soundtrack of living la vida loca and waltz of the Valkyries. Is THAT cheating?

[Dysney1023]

You guys have a strange moral compass.

[Dysney1023]

It’s no big deal. We just aren’t on the same wavelength. I have a very strong moral compass and hold myself to the same standard I expect from a partner. You guys and me just aren’t compatible.

[KrakenAttackin]

@dysney1023. You don't have shit except a wildly exaggerated sense of self importance and need to control a man.

[Dysney1023]

Sorry I prefer more logical classy men.

[Dysney1023]

Also porn is creepy. You’re watching some randos have sex. Disgusting 🤢 I’m looking for a spiritual connection. And I will not lower my standards to allow creeps like you in. Bahahahaha 😹

[bradley142]

wow wished more women was like you or thought like yourself i mean as far as masturbating all to there own thats better then going out to get someone other then your partner but hey great answer

[madhatters4]

it's not cheating. i've never known a woman who saw masturbation as a form of cheating... literally not one

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

No… Why would it be cheating?

[msc545]

Another woman here said - "Masturbating is cheating actually. Another woman here said: "Also, your hand is way tighter than a vagina. It just doesn't help for relationship intimacy. In fact it eats away at it." I don't agree...

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

I wouldn’t think so, as long as these men don’t reject their partners from sex just because they’ve already pleased themselves, I don’t see anything wrong with either male or female masturbation. But I can see how that could upset one partner, thinking he didn’t satisfy you well enough or that he is not enough. However, hopefully both partners can be honest with each other, everyone masturbates, if you tell your partner that’s cheating then she’ll feel uncomfortable and guilty for no reason. Instead they can do it together, or sometimes you can give your partner freedom to just f*ck himself and you enjoy the view. Saying it’s cheating, makes men and women just more prone to hide it and be less honest with each other. I believe at some point every married partner has masturbated, you can’t just always have another person physically available, sometimes they are at work or something.

[msc545]

Well said, thank you

[Bricealan]

I agree and we have done just as you described and dont' see a thing wrong, although I have not wanted sex with a partner for other reasons

[Sirenboobzilla]

... what

[blueonblack22]

I think a lot more goes into what cheating actually is than just this.

[236color]

99% of all people masturbate and the other 1% lie. No 2 people are ever going to always want sex at the same time. Without masturbation a lot more people would be very angry.

[Apple1996]

No it's not cheating but if a man watches a lot of porn or masturbates so much that he can't please his woman then yes he's cheating in a way since it'll most likely ruin their sex life

[BoopBoopBeep]

Can't please you because he can't get it up? Maybe that has nothing to do with the porn. Could be stress, diet, illness, medicine. Can't please you how?

[Apple1996]

@BoopBoopBeep can't please if he's putting his sexual energy elsewhere. And no my husband never has a problem getting hard. Basically hard 24/7 when he's around me

[BoopBoopBeep]

@apple1996 So if he's hard 24/7 around you then obviously male sexual energy isn't that limited of a commodity. that's a market we short. supply and demand zones

[Apple1996]

@BoopBoopBeep being hard doesn't equal sexual energy. Men are hard for many different reasons

[Apple1996]

@BoopBoopBeep also it low key sucks since i have a softie fetish. Sometimes i have to punish him and force thing to make him soft if I wanna play in that way 😂

[BoopBoopBeep]

@apple1996 argue with him that masturbation dries up his sexual energy... at length... I promise you he won't have a hard-on after that :P

[msc545]

@BoopBoopBeep Did you happen to ever watch Dr. Strangelove?

[Apple1996]

@BoopBoopBeep hed prob love that convo He gave up masturbating and porn a few years ago when we were trying to get pregnant. Only jerks it to give me a show either in my face or if he's away then over FaceTime/sexting

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 Some time ago I'm afraid... Am I Ripper or Mandrake here?

[BoopBoopBeep]

@apple1996 Haha I'm very glad you two found each other

[msc545]

@BoopBoopBeep " precious bodily fluids" and all that as I remember it anyway

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 War is too important to be left to generals AND politicians Nobody has sapped or impurified all my precious bodily fluids in a while now. Foreign introductions be damned!

[msc545]

That's why war always seems to last so long I guess. Please tell me this has nothing to do with your precious bodily fluids!

[Billlewis]

No, not even close.

[OfMiceandMen]

It's only cheating if he takes it too far. Her: you assh^ole it looks like my sister!!!

[slatyb]

No, it's not. Masturbation won't lead to STD transmission or accidental pregnancy. I prefer partners that masturbate because they have a high sex drive.

[Agape93]

Nope

[RealMarek]

This is one of those topics that might seem uncomfortable but is good to discuss with a significant other. The boundary of what is “in bounds” can vary a bit from couple to couple.

[goaded]

Nothing like. I suppose you could argue that if you're not thinking of your partner it's about as bad as looking at another person.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I would think if your mind is on another person, and you are masturbating to them that could be a form of cheating, not so sure.

[sheikalana]

Is not the same. We all masturbate.

[Drumlin2001]

It's not cheating.

[helva]

I do not belong to that group of women.

[msc545]

What group are you talking about?

[helva]

Some woman think that their SO is cheating when masturbating, I do not.

[exitseven]

no cheating is very bad.

[genericname85]

it's neither the same nor is it worse, cause you're having sex with yourself, not someone else. and since yourself is already a part of the relationship with your partner, it's not cheating.

[gothbxtch]

what

[DiegoO]

😕what

[MissBoogus]

Of course not

[zero444440000]

no? making love to your self is not evan remotely close to cheating.

[lottiebannotie]

I don't see how it is the same and certainly not worse

[Twalli]

It's a lot better than cheating

[KrakenAttackin]

Women do seem to think they own their man's cock completely. It's pretty fucked up if you ask me.

[Apple1996]

Wrong. Women don't want to own their man's cock. We just want him to share it with us. Sharing is caring 😊

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996 He does share it, but he also har the right to jack off if he wants, as do you.

[Apple1996]

Sure whenever a man wants but he could at least snap a pic, vid or something for his lady. We get hungry for dick and at least need a little taste if he's gonna be playing with it like that

[peedy]

Whatvever gave you that idea its niether, nothing wrong with it if you're alone and if she is there than why do it unless she wants to watch each other

[Guido]

Men and women are no different. Everybody masrurbates and those who say they don't... lie. Just about every woman has a vibratory. The sex toy business is a multi billion dollar industry and its not because people are only having g sex with a partner.

Nothing wrong with it as long as it is not affecting your relationship. A lot of people actually enjoy watching their partner masturbate.

[Anonymous]

It's not cheating to masturbate.