Is my view of transgenderism correct?

[HansBrinker]

Gender and sex have been synonymous until the transgender community found a voice. They use to denote whether someone had an X chromosome or Y. Now they changed the definition of gender to be subjective. All descriptors (Male, her, man...) are now only applicable to gender, not sex. I believe this change of definitions is why there is backlash against the community. I believe transgenderism to be a genetic phenomena that can be described by several genes on several chromosomal loci that affects identity (neurobiology).

What I do not get and what I think only a transgender person can tell me is "what is the difference between a female-to-male person and a tomboy girl who appreciates masculine stereotypes?"

Also, taking hormones blocks/activates some, not most, genes relating to sex. "Sex linked traits". This makes them appear similar to the other sex but does not completely change the sex. They would be a sex hybrid as not all their bio functions are changed (menstruation and other, more subtle processes).

Also, being transgender has nothing to do with sexuality (Attraction, not X, Y chromosomes)

[genericname85]

no. gender even in zoology can refer to behavoirs, not biological sex.

you can even observe this in pets. female dogs will start humping things and if you keep 2 female rabbits, one will start humping the other. "humping" is a male gender expression, so even animals in some cases are fluid with that.

gender always had the double meaning of "sex related behavioral pattern" and "biological sex" but it still can be seen as mostly synonmymous, cause in the vast majority of cases, biological sex and sex related beavioral patterns lign up.

the reason we get so confused with the behavior patterns these days is: that our human survival strategy and prevalent family and upkeep structures have shifted a lot in recent years.

[PrudentGuy]

Since the days of written history, mankind's thoughts are more based on observations than pure science.

For example: the sun rises from the East (Fact: earth rotates round the sun)

The moon is bigger than all the stars (fact: all stars we see are like our sun, even bigger)

Hence babies born with a vagina are girls (female) while those with a penis are boys (male).

There are many "in-between" nowadays. Including Trans. Without prejudice, if we stick to 4000 or more years of written history, and use the languages since then, male=penis owner at birth; female=vagina owner at birth.

I think I'll stick to the same definition so that I'll not need to face the same headache as you. What say you?

[BarelyGettingBy]

Splendid. Then the next rumble of thunder, I presume we forego consulting the forecast reports from any meteorologists, and instead just assume we've angered some god or other and run quick to snatch the nearest virgin we can find to chuck into a volcano. I love it. It's quick, it's easy, and only requires effort that is reactionary rather than getting all tangled up in all those in betweens that always come with progress and learning stuff. Such a drag. I'm yanking your chain! LOL. I get where you are coming from. Things are getting way more complicated these days. Next thing you know, definitions are getting tangled up like earbuds. Some people are cool with it, I guess, but a good many of the rest of us ain't so cool with just accepting things by how they just want to be known and what they self-identify as, just accepting all these new words and stuff that we already AREN'T what they want to be defined as. We AIN'T into all that confusion and complication and redefining the meaning of everything. If some folks seem to get all hot about it right quick, I think it's somewhat understandable how they would come to have that reaction. I mean even just the plain pronoun business you keep hearing about, and how some people want to be spoken of in the plural and called THEM or whatever. It keeps getting pushed as something that we'll get used to real quick and won't be confusing to people at all. Personally, I don't believe that, but that's what they say..

[Anonymous]

Okay and? If someone suffers from gender dysphoria and requires transition to maintain a quality of life they have the right to do so. Just because they do not change sexes on a biological level doesn't mean they cannot live their lives socially as the opposite sex. Being transgender isn't something anyone wants. Ideally they'd be born in the bodies they feel they are.

The concept of sex and gender has always been slightly different otherwise there wouldn't be two words for it.

[HansBrinker]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it. I was just wondering if it is objectively correct.

[Opinion Owner]

There's nothing correct or incorrect about it. It's simply is. It's something that happens, there's no right or wrong to that.

[HansBrinker]

Also there are numerous synonyms in the dictionary. 10 years ago I believe sex and gender denoted the chromosomes. Only 90% sure tho

[Opinion Owner]

Definitions are arbitrary. If you look at everything through definitions you never see the truth of the issue, that being some people feel they aren't the gender they were assigned at birth and therefore they go through transition so they can go about their lives as the gender they feel they are. At the end of the day, it's just someone living their lives as they feel they should. Why dig into definitions and rights and wrong when it's simply something to acknowledge and support someone in so that way they can get the quality of life they desire

[HansBrinker]

The big backlash the transgender community face is people calling them female when they prefer to be called male/him or vice versa. Many people see it as similar as being expected to call a frog a moose suddenly. I believe being defined would help solidify the voice of the transgender community.

[Opinion Owner]

Personally I see that as merely an excuse to mask transphobia. At the end of the day, who cares much about language. It's not being flipped on its head. If someone wants to be called a certain set of pronouns, why not just do it? Logically, there's no reason not to. It's the polite thing to do and saves the headache. People who dawdle on definitions only do that to create "reasons" to hate on the transgender community. Language is ever evolving, it changes with the culture. The culture is changing, and therefore so are our preconceived notions of gender and pronouns. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

[HansBrinker]

I agree that language is ever evolving and that it changes with culture (pronouns and all that). I dont agree that asking questions and attempting to understand is being transphobic but open minded. by the way thanks for the input. What do you think of trans people in sex separated organized sports? Steroid hormones are banned so other hormones should be too? Or no?

[Opinion Owner]

Personally I don't care about sports to begin with and think it's pretty stupid. So I don't have much of an opinion. But, overall, at the end of the day biologically they are different than the genders they identify as and therefore they have different limitations and abilities. A transgender woman biologically has an advantage over a biological woman, that's just how it is. Im not a big sports person so I don't know how that works, so I can't make an informed opinion, but overall it's not necessarily fair but it's a complex issue to be decided on by people more educated than myself on that side of the fence.

[HansBrinker]

Ah ok

[Anonymous]

Trans is not genetic; it is often a reaction to a childhood sexual trauma.

[HansBrinker]

I wouldn't think that is the case. Do you know of a survey or article that explains it?

[HansBrinker]

Also there is strong evidence that sexuality is genetic. Not proven though. I assumed most things like transgenderism are

[Opinion Owner]

I know it is in my case and my uncle's case; as sexual abuse is also common in my family.

[HansBrinker]

Huh ok, thanks for sharing

[HansBrinker]

Was the rest of my post accurate? Parts of it? Or not really?

[Opinion Owner]

Biologically speaking there are two sexes and four genders for all life on this planet. The two sexes being male and female and the four genders being asexual, male, female, and hermaphrodite. Humans are limited to being male and female in both sex and gender. And the gene that determines this is the male dominant SRY gene typically found on the Y chromosome (species that have female dominant sex genes use the ZW chromosomal nomenclature). The trans activists like to make you think that it is related to some abnormal gene or extra X or Y chromosomal disorders. But if you examined a trans individual you are likely to find no genetic abnormalities. As most of the postulated abnormalities would leave the individual sterile if they even survived to birth. Now mental disorders that have a genetic basis effect how an individual thinks not what they think. Whereas ones that are from trauma will effect what you think as opposed to how you think. As most young children struggle to process sexual trauma they often disassociate from reality as a survival/coping mechanism. And will latch onto anything to try and make sense of their trauma. The idea that if I were born into the other gender; is to think that the trauma I suffered might not have occurred if that were the case.

[HansBrinker]

Wow. Thank you for being in depth about it :)

[Opinion Owner]

You're welcome.

[BarelyGettingBy]

one should never make such sweeping concrete declarations as that without coming Proper with at LEAST a few links to peer reviewed DATA to readily and credibly back it up. otherwise, it is more than unhelpful, but somewhat hurtful to those who LIVE in those circumstances. i'm very sorry to read that there was abuse in your personal history, but I'm not gonna accept that to be the case across the board. from all i've observed in my life, the single most damaging and widespread abuse visited upon these folks is the predominant refusal to afford them the basic dignity of acknowledging their very existence as the humans they tell us they are based on the identity they claim from the very core of their beings. That's bout as personal as it gets in the human experience. It's profoundly more intimate than the mingling of any combination of genitalia ever could be. On top of the Herculean scope inherent with having to confront and address the obvious, immediate, and ongoing physical challenges, they have to fight the world for the preservation of, for lack of a better word at the moment, their spirits as well. They have quite enough pf a challenge on that front already. I would most respectfully ask of you and any others reading todo their best to be mindful of that, and endeavor not to add to it by making definitive pronouncements about things not yet definitively known. Sorry again about your personal traumas. I wish you the best in what will surely be to some degree a life's journey toward healing.

[Iron_Man]

One man one woman is correct