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Let's look at a scenario here:
We have Brian. Brian is a good looking guy who is 6'2 and is kind to everyone.
Because Brian was born with good looks people would want to socialize with him more and be friends. By making more friends Brian gets access to a wider pool of girls that would notice him and consider him for lover/boyfriend.
If Brian is kind and decent to everyone then that just makes him even more appealing and girls can rationalize and hamster in their mind that Brian is such a good guy because he's a great person with a lovely character. So they can convince themselves they aren't going for Brian due superficial reasons but because he's such a wonderful person.
Let's look at Jamal (IB4 Male gagers talk about their male friend who is ugly and short that slays mad pussy but will never post up a pic and think that their friend's experience is the same as everyone else)
Jamal is a 5'8 black guy with average face. Jamal has nothing physically that stands out about him and has a smaller pool of friends compared to Brian even if he actively tries to make new friends people put him as an acquaintance level at best and he gets less opportunity to hang out with girls from other social groups.
So Jamal gets a smaller pool of girls who notice he exist and and even smaller pool of girls who want a relationship with him some of which might be down right ugly and total slobs.
But you know what we get demonize by women when we want to have standards and not force ourselves into a relationship with a girl we don't find attractive. Many women in this day and age think they should have a right to determine/tell a man what kind of girl is worthy of him while they themselves are allowed to hold onto their standards and hold out for mr. perfect. If a man tells a woman she is delusional expecting to get a certain guy when she doesn't even bring fraction of that to the table he is labeled a misogynist.
Despite Jamal being a decent guy and kind and helpful to everyone, no one gives a shit. Girls who are better looking or on his level of looks thinks he's nice because he wants to get into their pants and demonize him as a "nice guy'. Especially if Jamal gets a little bent out of shape of them only wanting to talk to him when they need something but never giving a shit about him after they get what they want.
It's funny women say they don't like guys who are push overs and bend to their will but will attack a male if he no longer wants to be her slaves/app service and continuously do favors for her while getting nothing out of it. It's the same with male friends who realize the relationship with women is one sided and stop helping their female friends over and over, women attack them as nothing being truly nice and only being nice because they were trying to get into their pants.
So girls demonize him as a nice guy and the other guy as a good guy. The difference between the 2 men is the social status, and looks each men were born with.
Granted there are assholes/players who pretend to be good guys to get into a girl's pants but the vast majority of guys are good by nature because you would want to treat others based on how you'd like to be treated.
Yet, people have this "I don't owe you anything mentality" today and are veru solipsistic. They can't see the reason behind someone no longer wanting to help them if you are disrespectful piece of shit to them, don't care for them, or only want to use them.
They can't seem to figure out why a person who is good by nature would get tired of going out of there way to help a person who only want the benefits but never reciprocate and they always try to rationalize it by saying the person wasn't really nice they were just being nice to get something from me and they come to this conclusion because they are users and that's how they think. They can't fathom they were being nice because they wanted to treat others how they'd like to be treated.
The whole perception of demonizing one man and thinking the other is a great guy all come back to disney movies. We see the handsome prince is usually some dashing handsome, tall male. So women associate that men who are good looking and tall must thereby be a good person by default.
It's one the reason why male players who are good looking can fool so many women and they are left crying questioning their view of the world when he uses them for sex.
Meanwhile while a woman will not outright demonize an average/ugly as a monster off the bat because that would be looked as less than PC and make them look shallow.
They will use any instance of any negative sign that they would of excused the handsome guy for to demonize and attack their character (creep shaming), and get confirmation that they are bad person. Basically they are just looking for any little excuse to justify you are a monster.
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14 27I smell fingerpointing. Another attempt at nothing.
Wrong dude.
Nice guys pretend to be good, while good guys are good.
False. Nice guys aren't always asshole who pretend to be nice to get into a girl's pants. This is just propaganda created so women can slander nice guys. I don't feel like repeating myself. Read my comments below to understand why the only difference between nice and good guy is looks and status.
Yeah, I'm not reading that wall of text, and call it whatever you like, but guys who pretend to be good are not good guys. We can both agree to that.
Also, looks and status. I know guys without those per se, and get lots of girls, decent ones too.
Also, your pic of Jamal and Brian is highly biased. Jamal has self taken pic, while Brian has a freaking glamour shot. Come on, man.
Try comparing Brian to this:
www.blackenterprise.com/.../...ss-man-stylish2.jpg
Good luck
Well if you can't be bothered to read my opinion why should i even bother to read yours? It's call discourse courtesy and listen to what the other side has to say rather than shove your opinion down their throat as fact.
I know what you mean bro, I feel like an average guy.
One of my first standards for women is NOT having a snake around their neck...
To me, it depends on the person.
If Brian were a douchebag, I would want nothing to do with him. But if Jamal had acted like a complete gentleman and had philosophical views, I would 100% pick him to be friends with over Brian.
Well if Jamal was a douchebag he wouldn't be a nice guy. This is where i'm going with this. There are good guys who are good looking and nice and women want to be a relationship. Then their is the dreaded nice guy that women say is only nice because he wants sex. However, there are 2 subsets in this larger set and one that being labelled by women as only being nice because he wants sex when it isn't really the case. The fake nice guy is the asshole who pretends to be nice to get sex. You have the genuine nice guy who isn't good looking like Brian but is of average looks and is nice to everyone. Girls (as given evident in their response here) think him being nice is because he wants to get into their pants when it's just not the case. He is nice because he likes helping people. And what usually happen is these guys realize women in question doesn't give a shit about him and only wants to use him as an ATM machine. So when Jamal puts his foot down and decides to not go out his way.
They tell him what they really think about him and how he is not really nice and was only doing it to get into their pants. Women perceive if u are nice tot hem you are beneath them and only doing it to suck up to them in order to get into their pants.
Too much analyzing 😕
mytake owner is saying girl's don't treat nice guys better but that girls have a habit of demonizing nice guys as being fake nice while guys who do the exact same thing for women but is good looking is perceived by women has having good character and being a genuine nice person who helps people because he wants to. What he is saying is that many girls like to have one sided relationship with guy's who are "nice guys" and use them. When these men stop helping or put their foot down many women demonize the nice guys as only being nice because he wanted to get into her pants and not realizing he stopped being nice because he was being taken advantage of. A guy who complains about girls using him are labelled by women as not being truly nice so they can shame him while excusing themselves of using men like this.
@IamLouise well yeah it was an interesting take and I hear you but I really don't worry about this kind of thing. Why? Because I do good for the sake of being good to someone. I don't have to pretend to be someone I'm not to get in girls pants.. it's not like I'm a Don Juan with the ladies and I'm an 5"8 usually 5'9 -depending on shoes of course- average/normal ass looking guy who's bearly started going to the gym, with social skills that can be polished more and could had a better self esteem but had women give me flirty looks, approach me and had a few numbers here and there thought my young adult life. And I never seen this that girls treat guys better because there more good looking/attractive. Girls treat guys better because guys were good to girls... at least that's my experience.. I could have been a Jamal but the difference is that I'm Hispanic
@ Henry I'm going to be overly blunt with this post and probably take a hit to my points but I really don't give a $*|+ anymore this does have to be said I'm going to try to come from both sides of this and I'm 100% I'm going to get bad comments and good, but people today have a preconception of what they want and don't actually want. From what you read I can tell your financial situation as I'm sure you can or will be able to tell mine from the way we write to another (except for the autospell on my end). Either way you can go from dating supermodels to home city girls and they all at the end of the day want the same thing but if you make it aware to them they'll run faster then you can imagine, because it's nothing to do with looks when you break it all down. It isn't anything to do with who or what you can do for them trust me other readers who are trying to benefit it doesn't matter if you spend 50k or 5$ on a gift of it has no meaning behind it, it won't matter to her either. Just like finding a relationship we all have baggage (this is a say as I say not as I do if you ever figure out how to do this tell me how) actually there's a song called graduation or class of 2000 by vitamin C... anyway back to what I was saying nothing matters in this life unless it matters to someone, that being said yes looks are only 2% of a relationship instant attraction is composed by so MANY other things sight/smell/body language women want to feel a confident and if a man or the man their with emits a confidence where they feel safe then you'll get the girl. HOWEVER there is a but and its a big one, if you've past the chance and become friends it's very hard to define the relationship from there. If you take a friendship and put it into a relationship it will never go back. Sorry all the hot girls out there I'm sure you can say the same about us guys but the hotter the girls are the WAY more things you've got to worry about (now to be fair I'm far from low maintenance but my expectations are very clear) I'll show and give my girl the world and not think about it, but if she crosses that line it's another story. Ok I think I'm getting off subject here lets get back on track here. work on you, your confidence, and your ability to give yourself to someone once you emit confidence and protective pheromones you'll be golden. Don't waste your time with hot or not, looks change and fade in time. Fall or build on what you have in the here and now.
you know that girl's pic you have in your take she doesn't really look that bad
Yes but that wasn't the point. If Jamal isn't attracted to her.
then that's the problem that she has to deal with about Jamal
I don't agree
That is fine.
Hmmm my opinions on this. Quite simplistic actually. Girls should be treated with more respect and love. Second yes woman have standards and it is wrong for them to judge a guy so hard when he isn't the most attractive. What gets me tho, why. I see everyday HUGE (I'm sorry but yes I mean fat) guys with these really cute skinny girls. Or these really ugly guys with extremely beautiful woman. Or even the opposite. This world has to many people judging who should be with who and why. I am a ok looking male with one hell of a personality towards everyone. I'm am still single and seems to be unattractive to multiple girls. While as girls complain about being used and abused all the time but they are still with the guy. There is plently of guys and gals that should of least be given a chance in life rather than be rated by someone.
" I see everyday HUGE (I'm sorry but yes I mean fat) guys with these really cute skinny girls" Women are easily influence by the media which is pushing that dad bod's are in now. Women follow trends so they go for fat guys. "ugly guys with extremely beautiful woman." Simple. The ugly guy is rich. Women love money.
@IamLouise i dont know a single fit girl who likes even chubby guys. nevermind huge. just like i dont know a single girl who is as obsessed with the media as you are and actually knows that apparently "Dad bods" are in. and not everyone is rich, most people have normal jobs and earn a decent amount of money. not all ugly guys are billionaires. its common sense.
nice
cool story bro. this doesn't make sense.
Actual it makes perfect sense if you have basic logic. Women are hypergamous. When a man is nice to her from the start she perceives him to have lower value than her. However, if he's indifferent or an asshole to her from the start she will not think she's of higher value. Since hypergamy is effect guys who are nice from the get go get placed in the friendzone more often than not. Especially if the girl sees no other reason to think he has higher value than her (they are both equal in look or she is better looking). Many women then interpret that the niceness is a form of ass kicking to get into her pants. When a guy who is good looking does nice thing for women they can't pretend they are better than him because the results are right there, he is physically better looking than her. Therefore she percieves his act of being nice is because he truly has a good character and is a good person because why else would he be nice to her when he can get girl's prettier, right?
no, it's pretty much bullshit.
And without any argument you consider it BS because you are like these other stupid teens on gag who like to pander up to women and not have a 50/50 view on issues. You know what if a guy's comments has like little to no male upvotes and lots of female upvotes I'm pretty much going to think he's a mangina who will defend women to death.
@IamLouise eh? whatever dude. i just disagree with your analysis, that's all.
I see this a little bit differently. And some parts of this can vary with a person's stage of life. But in general, if a man is a genuine kind, respectful, nice person, he can be movie star handsome and blessed with a tall, athletic body -- many women will consider him UNDATABLE! Failure to act like an arrogant ass has become a major offense in many womn's eyes! Treating women with a lot of kindness and respect because that's how you were raised virtually guarantees the friendzone!
No female is ever going to be passed over because she is too nice! But that happens to men almost automatically no matter how he looks. This begins to change when women are past their prime of youth and approaching age 30. At that point, after being humped and dumped by the requisite number of pushy, manipulative jerk characters, women start looking for a nice guy to try to push him into marriage!
Yes so called nice guys are just average guys who girls aren't particularly interested in. Who can blame them really?
It's not about blaming them. This isn't about girls should give nice guy sex and relationship but about demonizing nice guys.
https://youtu.be/a9XDb0nxSO4
The reason nice guys are demonized by women because women perception of them being nice. Women always think men's motive towards them involves getting sex and he can never be truly altruistic.
So a guy who is nice and does favors for her, she perceives he is only doing this because he is trying to guilt trip her into dating him/or get into her pants when he in fact more often than not doing it because he enjoys helping people. The demonizing and shaming of nice guys happens when they realize they are being used by people.
No one is truly 100% nice for being nice. We often treat others nice because we want to treat others like how we would like to be treated. When he goes out of his way to help girls and he realize that these girls only want to use him like an app on their phone, it's at this point he stands up for himself.
He stops being their little service aid and it's then women SHAME him for it. They attack his character (similar to how women like to use creep shaming on less atttactive men) that he is not really a nice person and they only reason he was nice was because he wanted sex and relationship. They don't seem to understand the reason he stopped being nice is because he realize the relationship he had with y'all was unhealthy one and he wanted a clean break.
Think about it. Do we have a movement on the internet demonizing nice girls as only being nice to try and get into men's pants?
On one hand you're bitching that girls complain if a guy has high standards and doesn't date just any old ugly girl, and on the other hand you're bitching about girls that have standards and won't date just any old ugly guy. People like hot people, especially if those hot people are also nice people, get over it. I'm pretty average, but I'm a nice person but I think it's kinda common sense if a girl is also a nice person but has 5+ marks on me on attractiveness and gets more guys than I do...
If you're hot and you're a good person, you're more of a catch than just some average dude... common sense.
That's not what i'm saying. Girls calling nice guys exactly like your doing " only nice just so you can get laid" just because they stop wanting to help women and call them out using them. This isn't nice guys being nice to get laid that's not what the take about. This is women's perception of 2 men motive for being nice and the backlash the less attractive men gets when he no longer wishes to be used. The attractive guy is perceived by women to genuinely be doing nice because he has the attraction already. It all comes back to percieved value. The women has estimated his value in looks is higher or on her level so him being nice must be for altruistic reason. While the less attractive man being nice is percieved or suspected by women either on his level of attraction to be only doing this to get laid just you basically tried to make a claim about. When said man pulls back on being used in the relationship and stop helping a person who only wants to use them as an app.
He is hit with a backlash by women on why they think he was being nice to them in the first place (oh you aren't really nice virgin. Stop being so bitter because i won't sleep with you) or some variation when the case was he is pulling back on his kindness because the relationship he has with the woman is very draining on his time and gains no reward. Relationship just like friendship should be mutual 2 way street. When one person gets all the advantage from the other it takes the form of a parasite relationship. And we see women attacking male sexuality even on gag. Where women will say "your bitter because you can't get pussy" or some variation. It all ties back to sex because women general believe every action a man does is to get laid.
And about bitching about girls telling men what to like yes that's annoying. On all sides we are being told by women that: 1. We should have no standards and get shammed when we don't want to date just any girl. 2. Men having been trying to tell women what we value in a partner but women block their ear to us and want to tell us what we should like. [See the question should women date down] That part is merely pointing out the hypocrisy of our current society.
"But you know what we get demonize by women when we want to have standards and not force ourselves into a relationship with a girl we don't find attractive" Women have standards and would like to be with men they find attractive too, there's nothing wrong with that. And yes, some women might think everything he's doing is to get laid, and with some men that is the case and she's right. There's no point simplifying it and bundling all women into one as if they collectively think one thing and have one mind.. because if you wanna do that expect to be bundled into one category with all men too and be thought of as one of those guys who do anything for pussy because let's not pretend they don't exist. And let's not pretend bitter ones don't exist either.
Yes I somewhat agree with you. Good looking guys definitely have a significant advantage, but only if their personality is up to par as well. However, what one girl may find attractive is totally different from another girl's preferences. For example, the first guy that you posted totally isn't my type at all. Some girls may even be inclined to go for the second guy over the first one.
Not always the case in disney ie Quasimodo and the beast while he was a beast
the 7 dwarfs were much loved by snow white though as far as we could tell they were all in the "friend zone" though all the time they spent together there may very well have been something going on maybe happy was happy for a reason?
Also that "average" black guy in the pic doesn't look like he will struggle you didn't exactly pick an ugly guy.
The girl isn't a stunner but she's hardly deformed or anything and it all looks fixable and partly down to a bad picture she could probably look good if she wanted to hair, makeup, black glasses that fit, enhance her eyebrows and normally she wouldn't be pulling that face. Besides you can always just dim the lights and then you can still go at it like rabbits what ever you both look like.
Maybe I'm just less picky about looks than most guys and girls I don't know?
If you are a nice guy who refuses to learn game or put on the clown mask, I have some great news for you: once a girl is done fucking a dozen or two bad boys in her prime, once her vagina is properly stretched out and primed to secrete maximum lubrication to only bad boy cock, and once the container of her eggs becomes nearly empty, she will gladly accept you into her life for biological reproduction, not because you were her first choice, but because those bad boys could not see her as anything more than a wet gash. Your best option is to be Plan Z after twenty five other men. During your happy marriage she’ll often be “tired” to have sex with you when not a few years prior she eagerly begged men who saw her as disposable to gape her anus.
I’ve been on both sides of the coin. I’ve been the nice guy who couldn’t secure the attention of girls and I’ve been the bad boy actor for over a decade, securing sex for as long as I can wear the mask. The problem with pretending to be the bad boy when you’re nice at heart is that it’s impossible to respect the girl as someone you could have a relationship with since you know she has spread her legs for so many guys before who play-acted just like you. You lament that she has lost her reproductive imperative and sees men as nothing more than sources of entertainment to improve her soulless existence of having to attain a meaningless education to labor in an insignificant office job, and that because of her rejection of the feminine nature given to her at birth, you are even more qualified to take care of children than she is. Her mind and body has been utterly ruined for anything but a fuck buddy relationship.
How I pity the normal man. He’s either doomed to a life of no sex or sex with women who are not suitable for more than a few lively pumps. Some men may get lucky and find the unicorn who wants to have a family before the age of 25, but for the most of you, your best option is to tattoo the bad boy mask on your face to at least have some semblance of a normal sex life. The toxicity of the West is spreading at such a rate around the world that being the emotionally damaged man, or at least simulating his behavior, is the best option for having any intimacy with women at all, no matter how deficient they are as compared to the days of our grandfathers. I guess you can say that this is not a good time for normal men to be living in.
Motherfucker that was articulated so well. I'm gonna summarise it if I may because I fully agree with you: badboy trumps nice guy 100% Been on boyh sides of the coin too and I'm also breaking my nice guy shit down. The best part, the more I do it, the more I'm full internalising the badboy (I. e it's not a mask, I am). It's awesome.
Lool, you blame them for being what you want them to be. Nice one.
@mikemx55 I blame no one. It's just how the game works/
Hot people date hot people and doing favors won't overcome that. It's a fact most of us (girls too) learn in high school.
Really because i still the majority of girls chasing the hot guy thinking they have a shot at a relationship then cry about being used for sex.
Average & people use each other for sex too. I see it every day. That's a different story.
Yes but the difference is girl's keep chasing hot guys over and over until they get screwed over too many times and want to settle down. 5/10 females going after 7/10 males and then getting used for sex over and over. They then wise up and give the guy's their own attractive range a chance when they are approaching their late 20's.
@IamLouise you honestly believe this is just something women do? its actually much more common to see an average (or even ugly) guy chasing a hot girl and then (just like this guy) complaining about how girls (by which he means hot girls) prefer hot guys. and after getting their hearts broken time after time, they finally decide to be with someone who looks like them rather then someone who is much more attractive then them.
@KRIEL55 Actually i'm going to disagree there. I see more young men having a realistic perception of their beauty and going for girls their range. In fact girls who are 5-7/10 in looks get the most attention from men. The myth women keep using that all men gun for victoria secret models for girlfriend is just that a myth. Men realistically fine most women attractive and will be fine with a good, average looking girl for a girlfriend. On the flip side. Women are able to sleep (not have) relationships with men who are above them in attraction. This is because men in general tend to sleep down and a lot of guys also tend to date down these days. I see guys who have well establish careers, money and on par with a girl dating a girl on his level of attraction who are still in college. The man is the more valuable in the relationship there. Going back to sex. Many young women confuse sex for relationship. They think because they can get sex with these guy's they can snag them for relationships.
Many of these girls chase after men out of their league get burnt and only come down from cloud 9 and find a man on their level of attraction after going through several heartbreak.
I spent much time with promiscuous groups of people... It doesn't really work that way as much as the Internet world seems to think. Casual sex most generally happens between people of similar appearance level. Super hot guys don't usually sleep with unattractive girls. They have hot girls to sleep with. Average and below average people hook up and too... Not being beautiful doesn't mean a person is more emotionally sound or better at relationships. My own father is fairly average looking and has slept with dozens, maybe even a hundred women.
People who keep getting used again and again... It's usually pathological... They had a relationship with a parent who made them confuse longing for validation with love, many times. That's what I see a lot of "nice guys" (and gals), is that they became pliant and accommodating because they were always looking for love they didn't receive... But their very feeling of unworthiness attracts those who will keep playing out that cycle of giving and giving and never receiving in return.
"Casual sex most generally happens between people of similar appearance level. Super hot guys don't usually sleep with unattractive girls." Well obviously u are in different circles. Hot guys aren't going to stick their dick in a whale. But like what was said a man who is a 8/10 will take a 5/10 for a booty call because she is easy and he doesn't need to put much effort to convince her to fuck him. There is actually a website called hookupsmart which states this and a mytake called "Dual female sexuality on gag that discusses it" And hot girls actually are more likely to be the most picky and the ones who will hold out for monogamous relationship. Of course the 9/10+ male will eventually forma relationship with a 9/10+ female but while he waits for her and is single the 9/10+ male is happy to look at less attractive girls for a booty call. Men aren't picky as women when it comes to sex. He is picky when it comes to relationship.
You're basing your perception on the Internet and I'm basing on things I see with my eyes. Your perception that hot girls are more monogamous isn't true, either. Promiscuity is much more personal that appearance.
And hot girls actually are more likely to be the most picky and the ones who will hold out for monogamous relationship with a high status male while girls of average, above average looks tend to not only get the most attention but have no problem whoring themselves out to handsome and/or rich men because they hope they would pick them to be their girlfriend. (You really need to see the mytake it's an interesting read backed up with evidence across the board). And girls who have ONS tend to raise their physical standards but lower them for relationships. Hence, going back the 5/10 willing to be a booty call for an 8/10 male but will be happy settling for a 6/10 guy for a relationship. Men lower their physical standards for ONS and raise them for relationships.
People who believe they are too nice for love and sex are deluding themselves with a comforting lie. Its a stand in for the harsher truth... Which is that there are changes within their power to make that could open doors for them. The same goes for women who chase men who don't love them... It's on the personal level. They do it so they don't have to be in a real relationship due to intense baggage that's a real bitch to face.
I say this including myself. I believe a lot of nice people who aren't succeeding in life are emotionally damaged. It takes work and courage to face the fact that you're creating and in control of your own life.
"You're basing your perception on the Internet and I'm basing on things I see with my eyes. Your perception that hot girls are more monogamous isn't true, either. Promiscuity is much more personal that appearance." Well let's see it your word against mine and countless other people+several websites on the internet which prove you wrong.
I don't even know where your last response is going on about. You seem to be rambling off course.
I was rambling... I'm sorry. My point is that when people think "the system" is inherently against them, they're often putting too much power out of their control instead of facing whatever is really holding them back.
Opinion Owner I whole heartedly believe your last comment.