What do you think of the concert of women “hitting the wall” after 30?

I have heard this term for a few years now.
The idea is that by age 30 women aren’t as attractive as they were in their early 20s and also their fertility has declined.

I think some women decline with age in attractiveness but that is mostly done due to lifestyle (eating unhealthy diet, drinking too much, smoking.) women who still take good care of themselves (eat healthy, exercise and get enough sleep) at 40 look better then most women at 20.

It seems this is more of a RedPill:Manosphere/INCEL idea. Mostly a revenge fantasy.

I’m am by no means a feminist but I can’t stand these RedPill/INCEL/Manosphere guys.
They just seem like losers.
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  • “The wall” is a much bigger concept than just declining looks. As you point out, people who take care of themselves can retain physical beauty longer than those who don’t. But “the wall” theory also addresses women who focus on career over family. By thirty, a career woman is also aged by the stress of her career and may have sacrificed hours in a gym for hours at the office. They also have more income and therefore higher income standards than younger, more naturally attractive women. Since men don’t value women for their income, she has invested time and energy into developing a value system that men just don’t share; further limiting her dating pool.
    “The wall” isn’t about what men are willing to accept from women. That hasn’t really hanged in the last few generations. It’s about what women will accept for themselves compared to what they have to offer. They build the wall themselves.
    To be clear, women who are extremely satisfied with their careers and their social lives without a committed relationship with a quality man aren’t hitting “the wall”. It’s when women are in their 30s and later, career oriented, jaded by past relationships, extremely demanding because they overvalue themselves and wonder why men aren’t interested in them now that they’re ready to settle down and start a family. They’re competing with younger, more attractive women who demand less and are more appreciative of little things.
    Feminists don’t want to talk about how being the “liberated woman” wasn’t what’s best for everyone. Shaming women who don’t want to go to college and build a career is going to compel lots more women to make choices that will eventually result in a great amount of dissatisfaction for some of them. REAL liberation should mean women have the right to make their own choices without being pressured by men OR other women.
    Some women are choosing the “trad wife” trend over hitting the wall, and taking a lot of sh*t from feminists. Who are the “losers” in that particular shame game? Ell oh ell! Be careful! They’re all women, so no matter who you choose, you’re a misogynist.

    • Maybe we should ask Pink Floyd about 'The Wall!!!"

    • Well played!

  • I'll be honest. I have no reason to doubt that this is an actual thing. I have a hard time believing that these videos I've seen of women in their late 20s and early to mid 30s crying about thinking it's too late to get married and have children are all some kind of coordinated effort by members of the so-called "manosphere" to vent their frustrations about women or to guilt and shame women of that age for not being married. I'm not saying for certain that it's not, but all things being equal, I don't buy it.

    If it is true, I partly blame feminism. HOWEVER, even though I am strenuously opposed to feminism and think it's been a disaster for society and the family, I can't lay all the blame there.

    I think that people of my generation and younger are less mature than men and women of their age several generations ago. They have this twisted idea that everything and everyone that came before them should be held in contempt or skepticism. There's no tried and tested wisdom and no timeless truths that have been handed down from one generation to the next.

    There's no generational wisdom, but also no institutional wisdom being handed down; they're not enlisting in the military, working trades, going to church, or doing other things that provide discipline and direction, that challenge and form them, and slap them in the face with cold hard realities and prepare them for life.

    They've also put themselves in huge debt and delayed making key life decisions for an additional four years by going to college and majoring in useless garbage. They've basically had their whole lives planned out for them, which leaves them with little to no initiative or agency. This has an effect on not only their career, but how they see themselves and whom they choose to pursue in relationships and marriage. They're waiting for someone to tell them what the next step is.

    And let's just be honest, pornography has had disastrous effects on relationships as well.

    I could go on and on, but I won't. There's a much bigger picture here than just what some "manosphere" commentators are talking about.

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  • It's just a attempt to shame women. Those red pill guys will call women in their 30s old cat ladies but yet hate on women like me who had babies and got married young saying we are "used goods" or "that no man would want us". There is no winning with those type of guys since their only goal is to hate on women

    • @apple1996 spot on.

    • You hate on older men all the time though

    • @GoodgirlNatalie nope older men are great. I just don't want to mate with them because younger men make better fathers

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  • It is a myth invented by bitter online trolls that are not getting any action.

    • Seems so, they really get off on the idea they will be rich in their 30s and then they can reject girls their age and go date an 18 year old.

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  • Guys who go on about women hitting the wall are immature guys who say stuff like this because they think it makes them look cool.

    People certainly age, and they age very differently. Eventually their looks will fade, but there is no wall. I've seen looks fade just during high school. I've seen women in their 50s who look better than they did in their 20s.

    • That's impossible for a woman to look better in her 50s than 20s. Biologically women are most desired in their 20s and hit the wall In mid 30s.

    • You have some prejudices

  • Honestly, I don’t think it’s men that are saying this. Majority of men, Not boys, Don’t Notice, smaller imperfections girls tend worry about. Some men, including myself, even grow to love them. To me it seems like most women’s insecurities come from comparing themselves to other women. My wife is blessed physically, top to bottom, and never heard a negative comment from a guy. the few things she is slightly insecure about came from comparing herself to other women. I’m not suggesting it’s never because of men but it’s definitely not the main source

    • I know women often compare themselves to other women, but we often compare ourselves to other men, financially if not physically.

  • tbh I don't care what others think :D

    • @IslaTheWitch I think you do because it clearly bothers you

    • @GoodgirlNatalie why should it bother me, lol?

    • @GoodgirlNatalie This is just a classic default response by saying ' i don't care what others think'. People that do it are usually bothered by it or tend to do things that they shouldn't

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  • You kidding me, who want to date a woman at her 40s, yes you make feminist AKA simp.

    • I mean male feminist.

  • I think it's a bunch of baloney, just a made up story that losers tell themselves after they get rejected... lol

  • You put it perfectly, it's a revenge fantasy. They want to believe the bitch that dumped em will be surrounded by cats some day

    • It is true otherwise i would not get pestered by such women bitter that i do not want to go out with them when they would not date me when they were young.

    • I have even been harassed here by such women

  • I'm inclined to say 30 is too young for "the wall," because a lot of women I know still look great in their early thirties.

  • They are just bitter because they didn't get the attention they wanted in their 20's so now they are saying women in their 30's are over the hill lol. Funny enough guys in their 20s are much sweeter, charming and easy to get and more likely to knock us up. So who really cares lol.

    • More to do with us not having women only taking an interest in us once they have hit the wall and us getting our opportunity to be with the younger more attractive and more fun women. And for the record a large proportion of women including in their teens find me attractive so good for us. PS: Most men go for younger and most women go for older so that debunks you myth about younger men.

    • @DarkLegacy That is kind of stupid, because you are acting like ALL women would only want you because they are 30 and undesirable. But it's not true, I would date my own age but a lot of guys have your weird mind set so I tend to date younger, and considering I look younger than my age it makes dating them pretty easy. Plus majority have abs and take care of themselves so why not lol. Young guys like older, and I never liked older so what myth?

    • @peachypie93 anyone women who would date a guy because he has abs is immature and undeveloped. You may be 30 but you are dating in your mental age

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  • Well, there is a biological component to this. In terms of fertility.

    The problem is probably due to Western foods and lifestyles. Women do not generally age well.

    A lady from Hong Kong came into my work the other day. She was 47. And hubba hubba! She genuinely looked late 20s.

    Also, I saw Gillian Anderson on Top Gear, which I presume was an old clip and she must have been in her late 40s. Again, hubba hubba!

    So older women can still be hot. But youth is always alluring because it is the natural indicator of fertility.

    I think if both genders take care of themselves they retain their good looks well into their late 40s and probably beyond.

  • Your second paragraph nailed it. Living healthy/unhealthy is what determines it far more, but living unhealthily in your early 20s you don't see the consequences of your poor decisions yet, so you keep doing it. With most people in the U. S. making shite decisions and being overweight, MOST people are going to look like ass at 40. I've seen women in their early 60s who were in killer shape and worked out twice a day. They were way hotter than the 25-year-old Scooter Jockey at Walmart, but it comes down to frequency and statistics.

  • People who say that haven’t seen a thirty year old woman in their life

    • I say it and i know more 30 year old women the you do and they get bitter at me to wanting to date them. I have even been harassed here by such women.

    • @DarkLegacy sure….

  • Watched a 'rerun' of an episode of the David Letterman show, and his guest was Cher when she had just turned 40, and Letterman was just then 39.

    The woman was drop dead beautiful, much prettier than pictures of her shown when she was with Sonny, at a much younger age. True, she had money and could have anything done to her appearance, but she was stunning and Letterman was really impressed with her, and told her so.

    • I disagree. Cher was far more attractive when she was with sonny. David letterman says that about every woman.

    • @GoodgirlNatalie Did you see the show?

    • Yeah

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  • Mileage varies but fertility reduces markedly. Depends what you want as always.

  • Wrong, they are just getting started!
    I have seen a lot of hot soccer moms and grandmothers.

  • all they wanna do is mainly hating on women of all ages

    • No i do not, and i don;t hate on them and just express my desire to not date them and it is is because of how well i get on with younger women

  • I have heard that a woman over 30 has a better chance to be killedd by terrorists that getting married.

  • I'll say it like this.

    Expiring (not hitting the wall) at the age of 30 is commonplace. It depends a lot in how a person steers their life, given what and if any possibilities they have.

    Spending your free time on activities, that degrade your attractiveness/value/health repeatedly yields - unsurprisingly - a much sooner expiring period. Whereas in contrast spending time on self-care and self-improvement, increasing your attractiveness/value/health repeatedly yields - just as unsurprisingly - a much longer expiring period.

    The magical number 30 is likely as a result of the average expiring period of most notably women. Men on the other hand are born already expired but in the opposite sense, in which they fight tooth and nail to get out of the expiring period.

    I am 29 years old and an escapee from not only a toxic and abusive family but also an escapee from a region, from which people are massively fleeing from because the average inhabitant over there survives like a rat in a sinking vessel. Am I expiring in 1 year already when I never had the luxury of being care free and let myself go the way many others have?

  • Women can be attractive at any age and some get BETTER LOOKING with age. It's all BS

  • They don’t hit the wall after 30

  • I don't believe women "hit the wall" at 30. There are beautiful women in their 50's ,60's and beyond, because they've taken care of themselves.(Just because most old broads don't interest me doesn't mean lots of dudes don't love them.)

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