Why do people shame MGTOWs and Herbivore men?

I get that a lot of MGTOWs are guys that got divorced and had a bad time of it or had a lot of horrible experiences with women like getting acused of rape or whatever else, so I understand they have some anger in them and it's understandable, but disregarding any resentful overtones why doesn't the concept of men being "done" playing that game get them automatically labeled pathetic? Herbivore guys don't even have the anger issues and yet they get supremely shamed in the exact same way. But when women disregard relationships it's considered "empowerment" and it's almost celebrated or revered. From what I've picked up it seems to be rooted in traditionalist thought: Rejecting the social/cultural expectation of men paying service to women or disregarding the innate value attributed to females negates all value in the male and any sexual interest from females, and not just negating interest but fostering strong disapproval, as if they are being male wrong, like they fucked it up somehow. Given the observed nature of women's reaction and it's prevalence across cultures (at least in the West and in Japan as exemplified by MGTOW and herbivores if nothing else), it pressents as a very instinctual reponse rather than something articulate. So what are your feelings and thoughts about this? Do your feelings and thoughts align or do you feel one way in spite of thinking another?
0 0

Scroll Down to Read Other Opinions

What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!

What Girls & Guys Said

14 19
  • I believe that MGTOW is a much needed resource for men. We live in a society where a women can exponentially increase her net worth by marrying a rich guy and then divorcing him. It's not harming anyone and if it helps empower them then I'm all for it.
    What I don't condone is men misusing it to hurt others.

    • It's a resource? What?

    • Theoretically, like feminism is to women.

  • I was raped by my ex best friend
    Verbally abused by a few guys and I don't feel a need to start a movement and tell everyone that I'm not dating because of it. Yes I don't plan on dating for a long time and to be Honest I don't know when or if I will want a relationship or date again but I'm not going around telling women that men just want to verbally abuse and rape women so women should stop talking to men and treat them badly

    • No one started it. It's not really a movement, it's a trend that's been around for like 15 years that eventually got a name. They aren't trying to convince men to stop interacting with women and to let the species die. I think everyone is crediting them with way too much misogyny, it's exaggerated.

  • Haters are haters.

  • MGTOW is ridiculous. If feminists want to destroy marriage and make women hate men, the worst thing you can do is let them have it their way. If you want to be a real man, stand up to feminists.

    • Don't you get it? Feminism allowed this. MRAs are trying to fix the damage while mgtows use it to their advantage.

    • @OpinionOnEverything Nah, they are all wimps.

  • Most tend to be losers in more ways than just one.

  • It's because any society that sees males refusing to play nice and tow the line - especially young males - is doomed. The insults, the memes, the Tumblr blogs, the trendy articles hating men, it's all just a freak-out response to people who see what is happening and are scared.

  • a) society shuns outsiders

    b) people who simply leave the system and go about their lives generally aren't ranting and raving online. The internet (forums in particular) mostly draws out people whose viewpoints are combative/antagonistic.

    I've personally stopped dating after several bad experiences, so I don't blame them. But I don't blame all mankind, either. It's a very personal choice, not necessarily societal, in my personal opinion.

    • But they're not removing themselves from society, they can be perfectly nice people that still have friends and work, etc, but just choose not to date or involve themselves with women. There are many things people can like or ways people can behave to make them "outsiders" but they rarely get the kind of primal reaction that men who opted out get from women. If a guy is gay he gets no flak, if he's asexual that's pretty ok too, but if he presents as straight/bi but opting out from relationships and encounters with women then it's like suddenly he loses a massive amount of respect and social standing, and I find that comparison to other orientations a peculiar observation.

    • I mean outsiders more in the sense of outliers. i disagree a bit with your analogy, however. Gay guys get tons of flack in some communities and are sometimes even beat up or killed still. I have gay cousins, so I know this happens for certain. Personally, I also feel condemnation at times for not fulfilling my societal role of bearing children and husbanding up. People give me hell about it all the time. Nevermind that I have mental health issues that nobody knows about. I definitely feel it goes beyond MGTOW alone.