I've seen this discussion going around a lot on G@G, detailing why "straight" women are so attracted to lesbian porn, and why we are also more likely to find attraction in women's bodies. I would like to present my own opinion on the matter, as I feel like it could de-mystify the argument a little bit.
Male and Female Sexual Desires are Inherently Different.
"The feeling"
I think some people have a really hard understanding why so called "straight" woman would find a girl attractive and masturbate to lesbian porn, exclaiming that they are not actually straight but some form of bisexual or in the closet lesbian. Where I think the disconnect lies, is that men and women tend to enjoy sex in two distinct manners. Men are more set on the idea of whom they are sleeping with, how hot they are, what their body looks like, what gender they may be. This is why men are seen as more visual creatures, because they fantasise about the person or people they want to be with, and are more turned on by the naked body of the person they are attracted to. For women on the other hand it's more about what, what can you do to me, how can you make me feel, how can I make you feel, the actual identity of the person may be a bit more irrelevant. This is why women come off as more personality driven, because they're looking for someone they have chemistry with and have good sex with. When we fantasise, it's about what they can do to us and what the sex it going to be like, not necessarily your specific body. Again, this isn't absolute, I have had my fair share of perving and I bet guys are searching for a good sex partner, but I think there's a little disconnect here. I think this is why women, unlike men, are turned on by effectively every sort of porn (gay male, lesbian, straight) as opposed to their preference, because it's about the feeling.Our orientation lies in who is actually having sex with us (I personally am not a fan of actually having sex with a girl but I can empathise and get turned on by the pleasure of lesbian sex) and yes it doesn't mean where all latent bisexuals, I think it means they're is a larger grey area for attraction.
"Male vs Female Gaze"
I know I know this is a commonly use as a media/film/literature term and has major SJW connotations but I think it has an interesting insight into the male and female psyche. For the uninitiated, "gaze" in cinema refers to the way a filmmaker frames the camera to suit (usually) the sexual interests of the audience, either for men or women, but also specific to sexuality in certain situations. I think we're all pretty familiar with what is known as the "male gaze", where the creator depicts women (or men) in a sexualised and objectified manner to suit the taste of the male audience. There is a lot of attention put onto how the individuals look as well as placing them in a position of passivity. This film style suits the "whom" based manner of men's sexuality, as it focuses on a person or people ready for the viewers consumption. Interestingly, a female gaze is not actually the gender flipped version of the male gaze but has been theorised to be quite different in execution. I’d like to bring up Anna Biller’s 2016 film the Love Witch (where my avatar is sourced from) to really showcase the guts of the female gaze.
In a conversation with Filmmaker magazine, Biller talks about how the film was explicitly created with female audiences in mind “I’m working very directly with female fantasy”, which includes how women are more attached to the idea of “a sense of pleasure in fantasising about receiving the kind of love or admiration that a woman gets when she is looked at by men.” It also details how the female sexuality, has a narcissistic component to it, enjoying the idea of looking at a beautiful woman in reference to ones self. I think that in enough itself adds a layer deeper into why women find other women attractive, because it directly reflects back onto them.
“Wanting more Sensual Sex”
This is very directed at the lesbian porn aspect, but I think another factor than comes into play in women’s preferences is that lesbian porn is simply more sensual and focused on the woman’s pleasure, not the man’s. Pretty consistently we’re seeing lesbian porn topping women’s preferences, and many are left scratching their heads, but I think it’s got to do with a mixture of different reasons. Firstly, I think this relates back to the previous two arguments, women want to fantasise about what’s being done to them, straight porn doesn’t reflect that, but lesbian porn does. I think lots of women get not satisfaction out of the and male centric way straight porn is created, and does not tap into the fantasies that women may actually have. There is more soft core, and “for women” categories of porn that exist, which are very popular with women, they cannot compete with the sheer volume of lesbian porn created in comparison.
“The Gap between Male and Female Fantasies and Reality”
I think this is a really important aspect of the difference in male and female sexual preferences on this topic. It’s generally agreed upon that men’s personal kinks and fantasies more readily effect their real life sexual preferences whereas women’s do not. This was shown in the University of Montreal’s study into kink, in which a large chunk of the women involved never wanted these to come true, in contrast the majority of men did want their fantasies to become reality. I think this extends to the idea of sex with the same gender, if men masturbate to it, it’s what they want, not the same for women on the other hand. I can understand the confusion here, especially on the part of men, but I think you just have to acknowledge the female fantasy as less of an indicator of actual desire and behaviour, and more about an exploration of boundaries in a safe environment.
“Not Bisexual”
Something to remember for those of you who may be anxious your girlfriend/wife will run off with a woman some day.
I think there is a little more wiggle room for women’s orientation than men’s due to the differences in sexuality, but there are definitely women, including myself, who only want to have sex with men no matter the situation. I think it’s important to detach fantasy from reality, understand that for straight women, it’s men they want to be with with and to trust their judgement in this situation. They are not hiding any sort of closeted sexuality, it’s just a difference in the way the opposite gender see their desire, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
A lot more could be added to this argument, especially regarding the societal manipulation of sexuality in women vs men but I just wanted to keep it relatively brief.
Thank you.
What Girls & Guys Said
12 40women are just more objectifiable, men aren't. And to objectify something you need a high sex drive.
even gays tend to objectify the men who have more "female"-like features--big butts, pecs so big they resemble tits, small waist, etc.
And women get turned off by these features in men, because they don't like objectifying them.
This isn't true. Am not sure if you've been with a lot of women. But they do objectify men like the size of penis and buff bodies. And this statement is actually not factual about women being into lesbian porn. It's all agenda.
@richardace_123 that's not objectifying though, it's subjectifying. men see female traits (tits ass) and objectify them; we want to act on them. women see male traits (big muscles, tall, etc) and subjectify us; they want us to act on them. They far prefer this to simply touching us and doing things to us. Most women like doggystyle more than cow girl. sure it's not true that most women like lesbian porn, but I'm sure more women can objectify a lesbian than a gay man or even a straight man.
Again I think it's about the different way women and men express sexuality, I think women are less likely to objectify anyone, regardless of gender. You're right it's a subjective reaction, what can you do. Personally I also see what I can do to them, it's less about specific body parts though. By the way look at the Pornhub Stats
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Plus personally I like being on top more than doggy for a couple of reasons, generally that It's because it's the only position I can come in but it really tiring, especially after a while.
@lilaqua well another reason is that guys are just more threatening to women. so it's natural to want to see porn without a man than with a man. Even straight guys do this a lot. That's you personally, but most women actually prefer doggy these days. And women prefer taking the passive role in sex 99.9% of the time--many don't even care much to touch the man, their pleasure is mostly derived from being fucked, and being the object of desire, they don't have much desire themselves.
I find that really hard to believe, actually talking to my friends they fucking hate it when they just get fucked, there's no actual pleasure derived from it.
Well, it was true with my sample size. They didn't like touching my waist or my butt during missionary. A few of them did this weird thing where they would lightly trace their fingers on me during sex. I was also the active kisser, and had to ask them to french me and get the roof of my mouth. Women are passive and submissive, at least the ones I attract.
God that must be incredibly boring, fuck I know why women are discontent with their sex lives.
Women just have less testosterone, and more estrogen. testosterone is what actually causes the sex drive. estrogen is what controls submissiveness, lordosis reflex, etc. So the result is that women are much less horny than men, and when they DO get horny, they are much more passive and submissive. I could actually imagine that part of your situation is due to being a bit younger. People still develop into their 20s, and I remember teen girls being a lot more forward and "masculine" about their sexualities than women my age. Teen girls probably have less estrogen.
I think something similar happens during menopause, where estrogen levels plummet, and women are said to be "at their sexual peak". It seems like women can't be super fertile and horny at the same time; just pick one or the other.
You're 20. It shouldn't be that much of a difference. To be honest you could read into it but I think they just haven't experienced much pleasure in their lives. After puberty both testosterone and oestrogen remain at constant levels until menopause. The truth is oestrogen doesn't necessarily cause a lack in sexual desire, actually the opposite, since women feel horniest around ovulation when their oestrogen levels are the highest. Teenage girls have more oestrogen since they've just gone or still going through puberty. I think either the women you're around do not like sex with men (which is possible, the more sexually experienced I become the less I want to actually have sex with men), or more likely the progesterone in their birth control is fucking up their libido. Either was submissiveness is not in any way correlated with hormones
@Omega_brie yup you don't know much about women. If you've been with enough woman they get turned on by guys and want to act on them too. A lot of women achieve orgasms by giving blowjobs. You are feeding into too much societal programming. Both genders objectify each other it's just that women are more shy about it. I've actually encountered women who are more of a giver in sex because they get turned on playing with a man's body part so your statement is highly false. And like I said I've encountered women who pretend to be into it til I started dating them and they actually admitted that they were just saying it to turn guys on.
@lilaqua again statistics are altered to promote gay agenda. A lot of them bear no truth. That is the trend right now and they are pushing it. And women are not at alkl subjective it depends on the attraction. If she is highly attracted she objectify the guy and actually get turned on pleasing him. Just like when my attraction to a woman is low, I don't really aim to satisy her in bed I tend to be more in the receiving end. It's all in the attraction.
@Omega_brie and when I said pretending to be into it I was referring to lesbianism.
Nice Take I watch it cause I am a lesbian.
You are the hottest lesbian iv ever seen
I enjoy watching lesbian sex more than straight sex. I find women come across as more loving and enjoy the touch of another woman. Men can be overwhelming to some plus think of their own needs than the woman's.
"women want to fantasise about what’s being done to them, straight porn doesn’t reflect that"
So let me get this straight, heterosexual women can't relate to being penetrated by a man?
What the fuck kinda straight woman can't reflect to having sex with a man?
Straight porn is literally full of a woman having a dick shoved inside her, why can't you just imagine being in her place?
Why does it have to be a woman going down on another woman to turn you on? Why can't it be a man?
I don't know about you, but this is gay as fuck.
Any woman who touches herself while looking at two women scissor each other isn't straight.
Please understand the point of view of women. Straight porn is catered to men, it's about their pleasure, what is shown is for the sole purpose of fulfilling their visual fantasy. Lesbian porn and stuff like erotica, is actually tailored towards what women want. A man just fucking a hole is not what a lot of women think is sexy.
You're saying women are personality based, yet they flock to good looking men. Half of 'straight' women say they're turned on by female form and the other half says they like male bodies. They imagine themselves being in place of a lesbian who is being eaten out by a girl, yet claim they're straight. Some women say they're sexually attracted to women but cannot see themselves marrying a woman, still straight. They're literally looking at a woman's tits and ass while she eats out another girl, but guess what? straight. "A man just fucking a hole is not what women find sexy" And a woman licking another woman's pussy, that they do find attractive? Straight porn as well as lesbian porn, both are targeted towards men, and neither is inherently sensual or rough. Do you see the pattern here? None of this makes sense. Fuck all this, shit hurts my brain. At this point I won't even bother, i'm fuckin done. I just hope there are real, actual straight women out there who aren't deluded.
@HeAintMe don't get fooled here buddy. Women will only say they are into lesbianism to turn guys on. To impress you. I've experienced this quite a few times. Before I started dating some women they would claim how they like a woman. Then once we were in a relationship they confessed that they are not really into lesbianism and they only said it because they thought it would turn me on. If women are just about how they can make them feel then explain why some women get off when they are on the giving end? I've been with women who actually achieve orgasms from giving head? Why because they were attracted to me. Same as how a man wouldn't really care to impress a woman in bed if he isn't attracted to her but would if he is.
I mean you nailed the point when you said they flock to good looking men. So in a way you know that of course physical apperance and attraction work for women too. So the opinion of the poster is flawed. Don't over work yourself now because it is just an opinion and clearly the person is clueless about things. Women are into men and if they like lesbian porn they are not straight. Period.
@richardace_123 On point, my dude. Most of the time they're only doing it for attention. As for women going for handsome dudes, I know they do & I wholeheartedly want that to be true. It reassures me that my face serves a purpose, all these bitches wouldn't be here if i looked like Stephen Hawking (I know I sound like I'm so full of myself, but no other way of saying it). Peace, bro.
Yes true that. Nthing wronmg with stating facts. Same with me, I'm not saying I'm dead handsome but of course there's millions of women in this Earth and you will have women that are attracted to you, and they these women are actually pursuing me. And on the first few dates they actually blew me and they said they've been wanting to do that and it's all about what I can do to them? Untrue. If that's the case then women wouldn't have to waste time dating attractive dudes and will just stay at home and use a broom stick for penetration, hey it's all about what it can do right? LOLOLOLOL. Peace, bro.
Lesbian porn is tailored toward women? That must be because they aren't straight.
Most women are straight and don't like lesbian porn !
stop with the lgbt shit agenda.
True and women will actually pretend to be into it to impress the guys. So by the end of the day it's for the sake of attracting the opposite sex. But people really do need to stop this LGBT vile agenda.
@richardace_123 I mean, you could always look at it like that, but you could actually talk to straight women that enjoy it and ask.
@lilaqua because they are lying. I've encountered women like this they are pure talk. Then when I dated them they actually aren't into lesbian stuff and are highly insecure with other women.
@richardace_123 Yes that's my point, it's all a fantasy.
@lilaqua No I mean they would just tell me that they are into lesbian stuff because they thought it would turn me on but they actually find it disgusting. They confessed once I dated them.
@richardace_123 Fine, that's their personal preference. It may not be for every woman but it is for a considerable bunch.
@lilaqua then they must be genuinely lesbian. But if not most certainly it's to attract men. Or they may be bi-curious.
tl;dr women aren't actually attracted to men
Wow you get brainwashed easily.
@richardace_123 men are resources, and utilities for women... they need men.
@Margillard Another brainwashed guy. You have more to learn. Women need men yes, but they also want and are attracted to men. Haven't you seen any woman become infatuated over a guy because she is attracted to him? Women can also be utilities for men. Both genders are meant to compliment one another.
@richardace_123 Another white knight.
@Margillard I actually despise feminism. But I will not allow women to make men feel less desirable because that is not the truth. Don't you understand my point?
@richardace_123 If they actually were attracted to men they'd get off to gay porn just like guys get off to lesbian porn, they'd also get off to solo male videos just like guys get off to solo female videos. Women aren't attracted to men, simple
Well I've dated a lot of womem and they achieve orgasm by giving blow jobs. So yeah they are attracted to men. And I know women who are into male gay porn. I just feel like more @disgustuingweebtrash women are into male gay porn but won't admit to it. Also I know plenty of women who like watching male solo videos. And in fact I've heard of women getting really turn on by seeing men masturbate. Are you way behind with dating women? You have more years to learn don't worry you are just 19 you will get it.
@richardace_123 Just aren't attracted to men, if they watch lesbian porn they aren't straight
That's my point they are not straight women they are lesbians. Straight women are into men period.
@richardace_123 BBC would be 3rd on the list of most seached porn sites of women.
White guys are just providers which women enter into a contract with beta men later on in life.
www.pornhub.com/.../women-gender-demographics-searches
A study from Rutgers University in NJ, has concluded that approximately 87 percent of American White women have had or fantasize about having sexual relations with African American males. The study was conducted by the Sexual Sociological Endowment in the Cultural Histology department, at Rutgers University. The study reveals that a whopping 87% of white women dream of having sex with a Black man and in some cases many already have. Interestingly enough, the same study says only 13% of white women said they would would marry and raise a family with a Black man. Of the 800 involved in the study, 8 percent said they have actually dreamed of having a threesome with Black men. The fact that there is such a huge disparity between the number of white women who want to have sex with Black men versus those who would marry Black men, shows that many still have stereotypical view of Black men. Black men are seen as sexual masters in the bedroom.
but almost complete absent from the corporate boardroom. So when it comes to sex, most white women would prefer a Black man but they look toward their own white men when they are looking for a provider.
A French Army Surgeon (1898/1972), a 30-year specialist in genitourinary diseases} makes reference to numerous anatomical distinctions which show a similar pattern of whites being between blacks and Orientals. ... size of genitalia (Orientals smallest, blacks largest). We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and found the means to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and 1.25 in. in diameter; Caucasians, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in. in diameter; blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter." (Rushton, J. P. & Bogaert, A. F. (1987) Race differences in sexual behavior: Testing an evolutionary hypothesis. Journal Research in Personality 21(4): pp. 536-7)
@Margillard No one gives a shit about your love for BBC
www.pornhub.com/.../women-gender-demographics-searches
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62SB_4JFLMg
@Margillard How did BBC get into the picture? This may be true. But women being into lesbianism is a major myth and lie. They are doing it to attract guys or to push the LGBT agenda.
Well, the oral pic is actually quite hot :)
I know, It's from Blue Valentine. Depressing as fuck film though
Every woman is a potential lesbian.
True
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Read the title. Simple answer. Because they're either lesbian or bisexual. If you're a woman and get off to watching two women have sex then you're not straight. Just accept it.
very much accurate my friend.
i say if you like to watch 2 girls in porn then you would be with another girl and who cares watch whatever you want as long as your getting off to it who cares
Long story short, women aren’t attracted to men’s bodies.
A women who is aroused by lesbian porn is not straight. Yeah it focuses on your pleasure, but the thing is... you don't care who is giving you that pleasure... that is why you aren't straight.
I would say you are at least somewhat bi if you get turned on by that. (Bi myself)
Bullshit!
Well I have no interest in lesbian porn, quite boring.. Only straight porn does it for me preferably with one girl and more guys
Play with my dick
actually i can relate to this at first i was baffled but now that i think about this im a little bit like this too its like im 100% hetrosexual however when im in my nocturnal state i do have an attraction for the trans women it sort of coincides with my male attraction to liking what the other looks like e. g an attractive woman and also how it makes me feel a little. like when im in the moment i like to fantasize what it would be like how it would feel how it would make me feel like being dominated in that way and being penetrated in different places and the sexuality of it but in real life i wouldn't like it i would feel disgusting and just plain filthy!
Why women like lesbian strap-on anal porn?
My girlfriend left me to marry a girl..
Great take
Great pics!
Ahh... JC before she got too thin. Love that movie.
@MrOracle celeb women do that for some reason. Like Sarah Michelle Gellar and Natalie Portman
Girls names please?
@Nokeisit both Jewish. Top Jennifer Connolly, second Jane Levy
Jane is SUPER hot!
Thanks
Well, not all the women are lesbians, but if I were a woman, damn, I would definitely be a lesbian, I wish that some hot lesbian girl makes me her bitch ;)
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