Sexual Relationships 
Sexual Health 
So you're a lady and you're getting ready to have some sexy fun times, but as you've been instructed since Health class 101, it's condoms and birth control or sexy fun times can turn into baby making times or disease ruining times. That's no bueno, so you ride on down to your local pharmacist with your prescription, and find yourself being denied your pills. Confused, you inquire as to why a Pharmacist of all people, would deny anyone pills WITH a prescription.
Surprise! Women in the United States do not actually have the right to access birth control or various other reproductive services. Say what now? It's called conscientious refusal. In this case, it means that a healthcare professional, the pharmacist, "has a desire or intent to refuse, or refers to the actual refusal of a course of action requested by a patient or expected by the ordinary standard of care." (Margaret R. McLean)
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) states that, "A pharmacy's or pharmacist's refusal to sell birth control does not violate a woman's federal constitutional rights. The U.S. Constitution imposes no limitations on nongovernmental institutions like privately owned pharmacies. Even if the refusal takes place in a state-owned pharmacy, a woman has no federal constitutional right to receive contraception. Although the Constitution protects a woman's right to contraception, it does not ensure that women can access reproductive health services."
What this means is that your Pharmacist can in fact deny you BC or morning after pills or anything having to do with prevention of pregnancy for say, religious or moral reasons, or simply because they don't want to. Now they do have the "option" of letting someone else fill your prescription, but it is not necessarily required and of course if no one else is around or there is only one Pharmacy near you, well, you're out of luck.
Thank goodness I live in a HUGE major city where if one Starbucks isn't open yet, there is, and I'm not kidding, one on the other corner so finding a Pharmacist is a matter of a two second phone scroll through, so should this ever happen, I have options, and I've never actually met a Pharmacist denying people prescriptions of any kind, least of all birth control, but what if you do live in small town USA. My friend lives in a really small town where there really is only one Pharmacist for miles and if they object to her need for BC, then she would have to drive hours conceivably to find some place else to get that filled. Imagine if some young girl who is raped in said town needs the morning after, and she is told on top of the horror she's just experienced, sorry, I don't approve, basically in essence condoning the rape.
I have a huge problem with this. To me, it's like hiring a gung ho vegetarian to work at McDonald's who believes meat is murder. If you can't do your job to the fullest extent, why would anyone hire you? Your job isn't to make judgement calls on people or to judge their lives, it's to dispense various medications. These people could seriously being endangering the health and well being of these women they refuse to serve. Also, if they want to stand on some sort of moral high ground, they don't know anything about any of the people who come to them for pills. They are just names and prescriptions. They could be handing pills out to rapists, racists, abusers, pedophiles, or those who fundamentally hate them or their religion, but they don't think to judge them or their medications or how by helping keep them alive, they may be hurting others. Instead they essentially pick and chose to deny any woman birth control, no matter the reason behind her need.
If you can't or won't do the entire job, then you need to work elsewhere. And yet, it's all legal. You can get denied services simply because someone thinks you shouldn't be able to prevent pregnancy. It is just incredible how so many people seek to control a woman's body. A woman can never seem to be able to make a decision about what goes on with her without thousands of politicians and religions and governments and parents and neighbors weighing in. Some people would literally rather a woman die due to complications of pregnancy, then allow her birth control or an abortion. I don't care who you are or what you support, our planet that we call home cannot support every woman of child bearing age having a child, let alone multiple children. We don't live in ye olden times where resources were abundant and free. We need BC and other methods to help control a population already out of control.
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22 37American never ceases to amaze me...
Honestly I think America wants to have a "war" on women for some damn reason. I bet anyone who against feminism will get mad as soon if their birth control gets ban (they are trying ban it) and people preventing them to have birth control. Then it be up to feminists or people fight for birth control Jesus Christ.
@NatashaJ "wants to have a "war" on women for some damn reason." Of course. The GOP is fighting Hillary Clinton. A war against 'feminism' etc is part of the GOP propaganda.
@jacquesvol Well hopefully people can defend their rights before its too late.
I've had issues with just book appointments to even get bc pills. We need to be more like the UK where birth control is free and everywhere!!!
And I need bc because I have period issues that can be really really bad. I've been thinking of trying Depo. I hate so many pill choices and generics always coming first. Even my local planned parenthood only carries generic pills!!! And even generics can be so expensive if you don't have insurance or just want to pay with cash. I am afraid on an injection since the side effects may be more severe, but getting pills is like one huge merry go round. I need bc for my HEALTH, not just for sex. I don't like the guys' comments on here especially, even though I know they don't mean anything by it... it's kind of audacious for them to call you uninformed or ignorant mytake poster. I have a different point, than you do, but I so agree it should be more accessible. If Depo goes well, I may just get an IUD in the future. I never thought I'd have surgery but like I said this merry go round is just awful and I'm sick of spending money.
I'm so glad I live in a large city so I don't have to deal with that crap
I find this horrendous, in the UK it cannot happen, every pharmacist is required by law to complete supply of a prescription of any sort.
But then we have strict laws about health care, with our NHS every treatment, for any problem, including cancer, is free at the point of delivery for every uk resident, and provides one of the finest health care provisions in the world.
At least it will until Brexit totally fucks your economy.
Become a pharmacist and/or make your own birth control pills. As it stands, your right to your body ends where the pharmacist's right to operate his business the way he wishes begins. Funny how you feminists who complain so much about individual autonomy are so quick to butcher the autonomy of another whenever it benefits your personal agenda.
@JRICHARDS1996 When someone studies to be a pharmacist or applies to work in a pharmacy, he knows birth control is a normal product in pharmacies. If a person doesn't want to sell BC to customers, he shouldn't work in a pharmacy.
Lots of girls need bc for period issues, honestly. But pharmacies can be awful because if they're out of the right pill they just give you another brand. Or the insurance will tell you they switch over to generic brands which can cause way more side effects... but they won't cover the brand name anymore since it's cheaper for them.
@jacquesvol I agree, but what he sells in his own pharmacy is his own decision to make and nobody else's. The Left cannot keep ignoring personal autonomy and ownership. If a man starts his own pharmacy with his own money, then he can operate it by his own rules. If he makes a stupid decision, then the free market will work it out because he will not receive any business.
Well if I couldn't get my IUD I wouldn't be able to function at all... but the pharmacist doesn't deal with that so thank god for that. Anyways I don't know the laws exactly but businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. (Not fresh on hate crime laws but that does factor in)
BUT if the BC is treating a condition and not being primarily used for sex, then it's an issue. In which case as a pharmacy who's filling a BC script, how do you know what it's being used for and how do you judge if it's for a reason that you are against?
Dunno unless the patient is being unpleasant or anything, fill the script and move on.
I live in Europe (Switzerland) and that sounds so absurd for me. Why won't they sell birth control pills? Thats a non-sense ! I can understand that for some people for example abortion pills is really not something acceptable so they have to right not to sell it. BUT birth control REALLY? That kills no one, and even if it did. THATS OUR FUCKING BODY. I can't understand it.
If I were a female I'd just get my tubes tied. Barring that I'd tell the manager of that pharmacy either sell me my pills or I'm doing all my shopping elsewhere and never coming back. Sure, any business should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason (yes, that includes cakes to gay couples if an owner doesn't want their money, certain silly state laws be dammed). Though it makes no economic sense to run your business based on personal beliefs instead of economics (ie your business can be out of business if cash flow gets fucked enough or you don't have enough customers that fit your other requirements besides simply having cash).
Yes! I really feel like all insurance plans should be required to cover 100% of the cost of sterilization surgeries--for both men and women.
Great take! It never ceases to amaze me that the Catholic mafia and other Christians still haven't released their death grip on society. I'm fine with people believing whatever, but your religion is for You... and that's it. You don't get to add on to that and "religion is for me to influence policy and force it on everyone else" that's bullshit and violates church and state.
Seriously I'm not hatin on Jesus, you religious people keep doin your thing, just do it here:
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Or here:
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And leave everyone else's lives alone😤
Could not agree more. What right have you, meaning them, to decide what "I" do with my body? I don't force them to wear condoms and use birth control, so why then in the reverse do they think its okay or their right to choose what I do in my own life. Again, thank goodness I live in a huge city, because I literally cannot imagine being denied what I know is my right.
Mimimi "a business can refuse service to me" mimimi.
Last time I checked having sex is not a necessary thing to survive. You can go through life pretty neatly with or without birth control. Not to mention that there are tons of different forms of birth control.
If you have this problem actually occur (which I doubt happens even remotely regulary) - go to a different pharmacy, file a complaint or use any other given right you have to make your voice heard.
Access to birth control isn't a human right nonetheless, because having sex for physical pleasure is not a necessarity for human dignity.
And don't even start to compare it to men having access to condoms. Unlike pills, condoms don't have medical side-effects and involve hormones going into your bodies system.
For sex I agree with you. But BC can help treat disorders in women and greatly improve quality of life so if she's being denied her prescription when it helps that it's an issue. But if it's for sex, condoms can do the job
@KittieCat Agreed. But the law applies to all sorts of treatment. The argument of the MyTake Owner was solely focused on the birth control though and thus I only replied to that.
Right, your could also ask if a pharmacist has to right to deny any scripts even if they feel like it's just wrong. Say Mrs. Jones is getting 3x the normal dosage of morphine that could kill her, do you fill the script because it's your job or deny service? Or like the take if it goes against your beliefs? (which I find hard to believe is even remotely common if you become a pharmacist and will have to fill out a common script and say no no no no)
@KittieCat I get your point. It definitely sounds like a law that should need some more attention. Not because of birht-control though.
Yeah and I'm just playing devils advocate, but I think it does need some attention
Ha, I like that you added "don't compare it to condoms." You guys like to pretend that condoms are fool proof methods of contraception, when they are not. You guys also like to complain... a lot... about child support and paying for children you didn't want, so you would think that a woman trying to prevent pregnancy would be a top priority if you didn't want to have kids. Also let's not pretend that if we decided to rid the world of condoms, that you guys would "just be fine with that." You see, nothing is EVER a problem unless it effects you personally. Some woman getting pregnant from a condom breaking... not a problem... until it's your girlfriend or your wife. Condoms being available without a prescription and without SOMEONE else, who doesn't even know you, standing over a counter questioning why it is you are having sex and disapproving of you having sex, isn't a problem for men.
@KittieCat It's fine. I can handle someone being the devils advocate. Frankly speaking though - the entire system of laws is outdated and pretty much every control would need a complete overhaul from stretch. So many laws that build just on other laws which are already outdated eventually, etc. Its just blown up.
@Writer Many men and women would not be okay with condoms being taken away. No contraceptive is 100% UNLESS you get clipped. Abortions have a horrible double standard for men so women are not the only victims. And female condoms are available...
Nobody has a RIGHT to anything that someone else had to make
Yap yap entitled entitled do what I want or your oppressing me. gtfo
I myself am very against abortion as I think its an unnecessary procedure in most cases as modern contraception is so good that unwanted pregnancy is near impossible. This is the real problem we can educate teens all we want about safe sex but they already know everything, the real problem is they are iresponsible and always have been. Teens have always been managing to get themselves knocked up and anyone who harks back to bygone days in the past are misinformed or kidding themselves as in the past if a girl got knocked up either the guy who knocked her up was made to marry her within a week (shotgun wedding) or she was married off to an older man, or the pregnant girl and her mother was sent away to look after a relative who lived far away and when they returned the newborn was raised by the grandparents and they told everyone it was their child or more extreme the pregnant girl was sent away to have her baby in a religious home/workhouse or mental institution and the baby was adopted and the girl was never let out of there. Its iresponsible to have sex without proper contraception and being unwilling to face the consequences as well as expect others solve the problem for you.
If a pharmacist won't honor a prescription then your doctor should be able to give it to you or maybe some sort of internet service would be better.
America needs a grand strategy to reduce teen pregnancy other than telling hormone driven kids not to have sex, free abortions are too late and in my opinion morally wrong. The way forward is free contraception for teens which will nip it in the bud. We need to look at couny in Europe and what they did.
I dont think global population is going to be a problem as most western countries are going to suffer from having an aging population to look after.
Personally, I am proud choice because I recognize that mistakes do happen, and sometimes birth control fails and I don't believe it is right to force a woman or girl to carry a pregnancy to term against her will. However, we agree on the rest of your point. Accessible birth control is the number one easiest, most effective strategy we have at our disposal for reducing a vast number of issues, including poverty and crime. The foster system fucks kids up. Poverty fucks kids up. Feeling unwanted fucks kids up. And fucked up kids grow up to be fucked up adults who commit crimes, drain our social resources and are otherwise a net negative on society.
It has always boggled my mind that the same people who are vehemently anti abortion can also be anti birth control... BC is the best defense society has against abortion! Fewer unwanted pregnancies = fewer abortions... very simple logic. It is this fact that has me convinced that these people are not actually pro life - they're pro punishing women for having sex.
@Sara413 A lot of things screw kids up before their grown but the best way to deal with a screwed up childhood is to take personal responsibility for yourself because no one else will. To me the abortion is wrong because its a child, I've knew a couple of girls growing up who had a tough time after an abortion and one of them a cousin told mr it was the biggest mistake she ever made and felt as though she had lost her baby. Where im from abortion was (last I checked its kinda hazy) illegal though it may or may not be legal now and people just either used contraception or had their babies. I don't think either not providing contraception or abortion is forcing a woman to have a child or controlling her body as she was responsible for making the choice to have sexual relations and if she decides to go ahead without contraception thats a choice even if its a bad one. I would never hold someone's bad choices against them but I would expect them to live with them and own them.
@Sara413 As for punishing women just for having sex im afraid that the purpose of sex in nature is to get pregnant and have babies though we know sex is a lot of fun, I never used to think like this but as I've gotten older and had kids I've started and what I intend to tell my daughter about sex during an awkward conversation is make sure she uses contraception and always make sure its in a commited relationship with a guy whos is going to stick around in case she ever gets knocked up. Kids raised by single parents or by parents raised on social welfare are not really a drain and the welfare bill every year is miniscule. Its really more like an 18 year investment in which if both the parent/s on welfare have done their job right a law a bidding tax paying citizen emerges. Take my Dad and his 10 siblings basically raised on welfare until sixteen all very successful tax paying productive members of society and have contributed more than the government gave to raise them.
For me it comes down to priorities... I'd rather live in a society where every child who is born is wanted and cared for. Our current system, with kids being shuttled from foster home to foster home and in and out of group homes isn't healthy and it perpetuates poverty, crime and a host of other social problems.
@Sara413 To perfectly straight being born and raised in Europe gives me a different perspective on the matter and living in America has really opened my eyes to many major injustices here which are all linked. It seems like when it comes to crome and virtually every social problem in America both the liberal and conservative sides take no real action either way and just keep the same political dogma with the exact same polices, its insane to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. If Americans want an answer to solve their crime and social problems the need only look to Europe. Funningly enough some of Europe's best social policies were originally thought up in America.
We agree there!
@Righttobeararms83 Look here fore some data:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension#Germany
And remember that the Fugger company in Augsburg provided social plans for its employees during the Middle Ages.
Bur , indeed, FDR did good work and once the were in power nor Truman , nor Eisenhower (who were opposed to it) didn't dare to go back to the systems before FDR (which some Teaparty libertarians would like.)
BC is excellent, indeed but accidents happen: it's only as excellent as its users. Then we get this:
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Source: www.guttmacher.org/.../unintended-pregnancy-united-states
That sounds fucked up!
oh that is such bullshit. saying you don't have the right to birth control, is like saying you don't have the right to food or housing. of course you have the right to it. but it isn't free, and thats why there's entire markets dedicated to the sale and purchase of it. tell me exactly how it would be different if you paid for it with taxes, aside from paying for it with money out of someone elses paycheck that is spent wildly inefficiently by the government on private contracts with corporate monopolies. your insane socialist propaganda, is ridiculous at best, and dangerous at worst.
She's not complaining about the price, she's complaining that pharmacists can deny you access to it, which is in fact a problem.
@paxamor so go to another pharmacist
capitalism! *jazz hands*
That's all well and fine if there's another pharmacist nearby. Not so if you live in the middle of nowhere.
@paxamor so move to somewhere that isn't the middle of nowhere
Yes, great idea. Everyone can afford to pick up their entire lives and move. A+.
@paxamor i did and i'm broke. i did it because i'm broke. i know you're not complaining about this issue for yourself. you're complaining for the hypothetical person that doesn't have access to it, that lives in such a small town that there is only one drug store and it has the right to refuse service, and for whatever reason, decided to exercise that right. just know that hypothetical person, in that hypothetical town, if it even exists, got there based on her own choices, and can easily buy a condom at the only liquor store in town, or the only gas station in town. (because in this hypothetical situation there is only one of everything) or better yet, she can solve her financial problems by importing it herself, meeting the demand for birth control which is not being met, embracing the spirit of entrepreneurship. or she can drive however many fucking miles it is to the nearest city. instead, she decided to sit on her ass, complain, and expect the law to cater to her convenience.
Condoms are fine and dandy if you're actually using birth control for birth control. I personally /have/ to be on it to be able to function regularly--I used to miss 2 or 3 days of school/work every 2 weeks before I went on because the pain was crippling. It is not right for a pharmacist to refuse to give a woman the medicine she needs when her doctor has prescribed it to her and s/he doesn't know what the reason is. If you don't want to do your damned job, which is to dispense medication, don't become a pharmacist.
@paxamor i guess you're just going to have to do what women have done for millennia before the pill existed. or just not go to work.
Or people can not go into jobs that they're not willing to do. Just an idea.
@paxamor yeah thats all fine and good but don't pretend you didn't have a choice in the matter. you had a choice, you pissed it away, and now you want the government to write laws to cater to the specific choices that you've made as if you are the only person in the world that matters. i sincerely hope you are just crippled from period pains and no one ever helps you. i know i would never help you.
Lmfao what choice? Did I decide to be born with a uterus before I even developed a brain? Because other than that I can't think of what choice you'd be talking about it. But thanks for the support hun, I'm sure you're a real hit with the ladies. 😘
Or are you talking about where I live? Because A) I personally don't live in a small town, and B) even if I did, I live with my parents still until I graduate this year. So. Still not my choice.
@paxamor so stop complaining. like i said, you're complaining about a hypothetical woman that doesn't exist. you have access to birth control. shut the fuck up.
Yep, you're right. There's no women in America who live in small towns who could be effected by this. None. It's outlandish to think they exist. Some of us actually give a shit about other people, oddly enough.
@paxamor okay. prove it. find one.
There have been several news articles describing situations where the pharmacist refused to give the prescription back to the patient to fill at another pharmacy.
@paxamor no. no there haven't.
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www.guttmacher.org/.../beyond-issue-pharmacist-refusals-pharmacies-wont-sell-emergency-contraception
I also found several articles of other cases where pharmacists refused to fill prescriptions other than birth control such as for ADD and narcotics for muscular dystrophy. Is that okay? After all, if it's up to the pharmacist's discretion, who cares if someone who's actually disabled can't get their meds because the pharmacy by their house won't fill their scripts? By your logic, that'd be okay, right?
@paxamor so given that the example from madison wisconson (a population of 248,951, and the second largest city in wisconson) is already facing disciplinary actions by the state pharmacy board, i take it your example is Lacey, of North Richland hills. North Richland Hills is a city inside Tarrant County, Texas, United States, and a mid-to-high end suburb of Fort Worth. The population was 63,343 at the 2010 census, making it the third largest city in Tarrant County. a quick google search actually turns up 10 pharmacies. more if she's willing to drive to another place nearby. Perhaps Fort Worth. She is not limited for options. But you know what, this information is easily verified within seconds. You could have known that if you were looking for it. But you want excuses. You don't even know who you're fighting for, you just want something to complain about.
I'm simply showing you that it could easily be a problem for people. Even if not everyone goes running to the news, that doesn't mean more of those situations don't occur. And what about the second part of my comment?
and you know what this is some bullshit because whenever a company does something shitty to me there's never any justice for it. Time warner keeps charging me for service i no longer receive at an address that i no longer live, that i explicitly asked them to cancel. They refused, and they continue to bill me, and even send that information to dishonest debtors who threaten my credit when i refuse to pay these ridiculous trumped up charges. I just had another very similar interaction with chase bank. a couple months ago some assholes went after my credit for medical bills at a facility in a completely different country. the police said this type of problem was just too common to do anything about. Again, no recourse. these kinds of things happen all the time. Is it legal? No. But who's going to stop them? And yet you complain about situations that have already been resolved by governmental bodies that have ALREADY stopped the culprits, like THATS the real problem that needs fixing?
Sucks for you dude, and I hope that gets fixed. But the fact that there are other problems does not negate the need to speak up about one in particular. It got fixed in one case. There are still laws in place that allow this to happen to women, and that is an issue that needs to be addressed. Having concern for one problem does not negate all other problems. Seriously though dude best of luck getting that BS billing shit fixed.
@paxamor no, it got fixed in the exact case that was your own example. the system works, FOR YOU. as a woman. the system works. stop complaining about it. you're like those chicks who keep complaining about some kind of irrational rape culture that doesn't exist as if men need to be educated or indoctrinated with feminist ideas not to rape. RAPE IS ALREADY FUCKING ILLEGAL. ITS SUPER FUCKING ILLEGAL. Parents teach their kids to stay away from rapists, they're villainized in the media, there are amber alerts on phones, sexual offenders are forced to to go door to door to their neighbors and specifically state to people that they're not to be trusted. THE SYSTEM IS FUCKING THERE. RAPE IS ALREADY ILLEGAL. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? But no. You know damn well its not about that. Its about you. Its all about you. Its about you needing a movement that pressures the government to cater to your whims, when you don't realize no one is as catered to specifically as you are already.
I had a conversation with a feminist in my school about men being the reason she needs to carry pepper spray. I asked her if she ever had to use it, which she didn't, its just an irrational fear she has about men raping her. Then i told her a story about the time i got mugged right outside my front door, or jumped on the subway, how if i hadn't taken self defense classes i wouldn't be alive today, because i'm responsible for my own safety when people do what they already know is illegal, and as a man no one would ever step in on my behalf, and i shouldn't need them to, or make more laws to force people to. Because the law already exists and that guy went to jail. But you want to know how that conversation ended? I got suspended from school for expressing my mind. Nearly expelled, had i not voluntarily left. They said my free speech was disrupting their classwork. ironically, i failed all the classes i was in because i couldn't even show up. Cost me 20 nearly grand.
They went and complained to the staff, blatantly lying and saying i claimed rape victims deserved to be rape. It wouldn't have been illegal even if i had. It wouldn't even have been against the rules in the student handbook. But they nearly ruined my life based on the same kind of bullcrap you're pushing now. Had i not had the self respect to walk away from that, and transfer schools (by the way, trucking it out on a 2 hour subway ride both ways to a campus in another city just to attend school every day, father than miserable fucks like you would ever go for birth control), my entire life, my reputation, the tens of thousands of dollars i had spent, that is what it would have cost me. And even now i'm still affected by her batshit crazy feminist negligence. You don't even realize how many lives you're ruining fighting for rights and protections you already have. But you're part of a sociopathic movement with no remorse, that ruins peoples lives while it pretends to save them.
Lmao calling me self-centered when basically that entire thing was a rant making BS assumptions and using anecdotes as a display of fact because you had a few shitty experiences with businesses and girls. Like I said dude, it's shitty that that stuff has happened to you. But you having some crappy experiences doesn't mean you have to be bitter to every woman who cares about woman's issues. My dad got accused of being a racist for doing his job and it caused some serious issues for his workplace and for him. Does that mean that I automatically discard accusations of racism? No. I look for the facts and don't jump to conclusions one way or the other. That's what should happen for everything. You should have the right to free speech, certainly. And other people should have the right to call you out for it if they think you're wrong, even though she clearly had no comprehension skills to begin with. The school was out of line for what they did, though, absolutely.
I consider myself a feminist, yes, but I don't think women should get special treatment, and I think things need to be balanced out where women get the advantage (i. e. court sentences, child custody, etc.). I think women should be able to be drafted if men have to. I don't hate men, and I don't think most men are out to cause harm. I make clear my stances on issues regarding both men and women, and for you to jump down my throat and basically accuse me of being a man-hating bitch because I care about women whose birth control is being limited as well as the potential repercussions for EVERYONE if pharmacists can just refuse to fill prescriptions is just making assumptions. Incorrect assumptions at that. You don't have to be so salty to every woman who voices any concern for an issue affecting women just because you had a bad experience with a radfem.
@paxamor i'm telling you, specifically you, that there is no difference between you and the girl who did this to me. and if you keep going down this road you're eventually going to hurt a man, or even many many men, as much as she did, and you're not going to feel sorry for it, in fact you're going to find a way to say that it oppresses you if he even wants to speak up about it. at least when a fucking asshole broke my nose and stole my fucking iphone it took me weeks to recover. no man could ever hurt me as much as she did. but i wouldn't expect you to understand because you are a sociopath. you behave EXACTLY--look at me--EXACTLY as she does. There isn't a distinction to make. You are her. You are not a her in the making, there is no growth that you need to make in the realm of radicalism before you become as bad as her, you already are. And i know for a fact that you will never. EVER. Accept any wrongdoing. Thats what makes you a sociopath.
A lot of women are also on birth control so they don't miss work or school every month because of severe symptoms of their periods (I had to miss THREE FUCKING DAYS of school last week)... they have other uses as well and that's what people fail to realize.
So basically they complain about people being on wellfare and food stamps because they can't afford the cost of living but deny women a preventative even if they can't afford a child. Nice one America.
Well that's strange but I don't think this is problem in my city where I live... infact I heard news in my country that when pills were introduced people were fucking like rabbits... Lol
To play Devil's Advocate, considering that condoms are very effective, perhaps even as effective as birth control or even more so, wouldn't that be considered an effective alternative that is cheaper and easier to get? It seems to me that birth control, a hormone cocktail to convince your body that you are pregnant, or some other effect, is less safe for the woman's body than a piece of rubber that may or may not have spermicide.
That being said, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I don't know what the right answer is here.
Good thing you're not the one putting these medications in your body then... for many women, it's an educated choice based off a cost and benefits analysis. Regardless, your entire point is irrelevant to the conversation... these pharmacists who refuse to fill BC prescriptions aren't doing it because they think they're protecting women from "harmful" hormones... they're doing it because they don't think women should be having sex for pleasure. And for some reason, they think that is their choice to make.
Condoms, nor birth control are 100% fool proof methods or preventing pregnancy. Condoms are cheaper yes, but should that condom break or malfunction, is raising a kid for 18 years cheaper? And since these same Pharmacists also do not approve of the morning after pill, your girlfriend, or wife would be in the same exact position trying to seek medication to prevent the pregnancy.
Birth control has way more uses than controlling birth. It helps with acne, having a regular period, depression, mood swings, etc. If it werent for birth control I would not be able to get a period and I would have a bunch of acne. It's not a "hormone cocktail", it is good for our bodies
@Nice_Guy_Last What if the pharmacist hates condoms (like so many men) What if the pharmacist is an antivaxer should he stop selling vaccins? What if the pharmacist hates women's periods (like so many men) , should he stop selling pads and tampons?
@jacquesvol if they don't want to sell something, they don't have to. If they aren't selling what you want to get, just go somewhere else.
@Nice_Guy_Last Those 'negative effects' of the BC pill are part of an anti BC campaign by the Vatican. Only the Des pills were dangerous and are out of commerce since decades. The BC pill is used by tens of millions all over the world.
@Thisperson98 Then they shouldn't have studied to become pharmacists or any other health care specialization. They could have studied theology instead.
@jacquesvol they can agree with helping people with illnesses, but they might not agree with another aspect, the thing is you can force someone out of a profession.
@Thisperson98 Any job is a package deal. I too had to do things I don't approve off.
@jacquesvol and if you are working for someone they can fire you if you don't do it. But if it is their pharmacy, the owner can refuse to do anything.
doesn't make it any less morally repugnant
Yes, you can be offended that somebody is enforcing their morals on what you can or cannot do, but, newsflash, that is society. I don't like it when you walk around nude, I don't like it when you discriminate my gender or race, etc. I'm just saying, "Where does this end?" Do we tell people what they can or cannot do with their possessions? If this angers you so, you take the time and effort to become a pharmacist and you make your own medicine. Everyone complaining about this is making no personal efforts to fix the problem they perceive: women don't have access to birth control. Birth control was made by people who have degrees, who studied and worked for what they have, not a bunch of entitled ingrates whose only "contribution" to society has been a couple of posts on a random social media website. If you see a problem, don't force others to fix it, take it upon yourself.
Firstly, you are aware pharmacists dont actually make medicine right? Secondly, what the fuck do you think womem are doing? Trying to get control of our reproduce rights. Thirdly, you're also on this site making no contribution to society even though you are 5yr older than me. Fourly, denying me of my birth control is like denying me of my anxiety medication or depression medication. I dont use it as birth control but rather to have regular periods (I dont get one otherwise), prevent acne, and stablize my mood. Fifthly, the pharmacist who may or may not deny you medication did not themselves make it (as previously stated) so they have no right to deny you. I am so sick and tired of men saying that it is no big deal or what I can or can not do with my vagina. If you are so worried about working hard and getting a degree, perhaps you should be spending your time soley on college, and not on this site.
I think your comment is really good and I'd agree, but I need bc for period issues personally.