Sexual Relationships 
Sexual Health 
What If I Told You Gender Roles Are Natural?
Let me explain...
**Here is a very triggering meme below just to get you rustled up and excited**
Introduction...
I'm going to start out this take by giving you an example to consider instead of a formal introduction. The title of this take is self explanatory, so let's dive right into it. Let's consider the debate with women getting tattoos.
My Stance...
Women have to have a certain body type and swagger to pull off tattoos. There is a difference in dynamic here and I'm not just going to negate that to sound politically correct. I have 3 tattoos, all of which I can hide with a shirt. (Well my shoulder one sort of sneaks out of my sleeve but not too much).
For men, tattoos are masculine and they almost always symbolize a story. That projects rugged wisdom and experience, which is masculine. My tattoos are military and they have stories. Chicks have always been down to hear them when my shirt comes off. It's not that feminine for a woman to have a bunch of rugged ass stories permanently written on their body.
Consider that women are very emotional beings and are turned on by much more so than solely the physical perspective. Men are in polar opposition of this. Men are much more simple than that in regards to attraction.
I realize as I get older, these tattoos will start to fade. Even with faded tattoos, I'll still be able to pull it off as sexy to a lot of women. That's due to the fact that it's emotionally stimulating to them. It projects and image of a man with wisdom and rugged stories just as I stated before. Men can pull off rugged... Women? Not so much.
A woman's physical attractiveness is based on purity. No, not in the sense of virginity or innocence. I'm talking about that soft and radiant skin, feminine facial features, and a body that screams fertility. I'm talking about that certain glow that attractive women have. You know what I'm talking about...
I can't say that I'd enjoy a spontaneous hand job in the car as much from my girlfriend if she had bigger callouses than me. I can't say that I'd be as sexually attracted to my girlfriend if she sounded like Hulk Hogan in the sac. "ALRIGHT BROTHER.. I'M READY.. LET'S DO THIS."
This same concept goes with a bunch of tattoos on her skin. I'm attracted to my girlfriends femininity. By default, tattoos are not that feminine.
Having said all that, my chick loves my scars, loves my callouses, and loves my tattoos. She actually loves my bent ass nose from wrestling/fights in the past (Can't really see in my pic). She has heard all of my fight stories and she loves them. She absolutely despises "pretty boys". Not because she couldn't get them before. She is a fucking knockout, much prettier than me forsure. She just likes masculine men.
I digress. I guess what I'm getting at is that women appreciate masculinity in a man and men appreciate femininity in a woman. Tattoos by default are not very feminine for the reasons I've stated.
Concluding on this example, I'm a man and I'm fucking happy to be a man. I have tattoos, I cuss, I have scars, I've gotten in fights, I'm rough, and I'm loud. That's me and if you don't approve then I don't really care.
Let's Talk Logic...
I don't hate men who are feminine by nature, but I do see them as weak. Now femininity is very vague in the basic sense of the word. It's very fluid and it's interpretation is almost always dependent upon personal discretion. I'm using this word in the basic sense of it's definition.
I think being submissive and passive as a man is personally pathetic. It sort of goes hand in hand with this counter-argument in which gender roles are to be considered a social construct. Let's logically break down why this is not applicable in even the slightest sense. 
KEY WORDS: Constructed through cultural or social practice
When you try and correlate this into gender roles, it's flawed logic. It's flawed logic for the sole fact that masculinity for the most part is the result of biological science. Let's look at the two major ones here.
1) Men have a very different hormonal structure in comparison to women.
(source: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/02/11440/male-and-female-behavior-deconstructed )
2) Men have have a different neurological layout than women.
(source: https://www.columbia.edu/itc/anthropology/v1007/jakabovics/mf2.html )
Men are significantly different than women in a lot of different ways and this isn't my opinion. This is based on factual information. Here is a video of more random facts about our differences, that might not be directly applicable to gender roles, but still carry a point.
Let's Digest This Logic...
1) Why Third-Wave Feminism Is Bullshit...
This is the whole issue with modern day feminism. The logic of modern day feminism is that it completely deviates from what would be considered rational logic. Modern day feminist want to believe that they are completely the same as men. Feminist might not believe this at surface level, but if you actually look at the feminist agenda, it's literal embodiment is based on that very idea.
This is just false on so many levels. We will never be the same because biology won't allow us to be the same. That's not to say that one gender is superior or inferior, but rather to say that we are different. That's not sexism. That's just logic.
There are men that certainly differentiate from what I just told you. There is no generic man, or generic woman. I realize this but I also realize that there are still significant differences between men and women. A feminine man is still going to be significantly different than your average woman, just as a masculine woman is still going to be significantly different than an average man. I'm referencing this statement in regards to biological facts.
2) Why are we attempting to favor femininity in men?
Consider this... If a man deviates on a biological level from what is considered masculine, then by logic, he would be considered genetically inferior.
According to the National Institutes of Health, the normal range of testosterone for a man is 300ng/dl to 1,200 ng/dL (nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). If a man has a testosterone count of 115ng/dl, then he would be considered significantly below average in comparison the the your every day man, thus making him genetically inferior. He would be genetically inferior for the sole fact that he has a severe disadvantage in life. That's not an opinion of mine either. That's factual information that actually go hand in hand with almost every theory in the real of sociology itself. That's why these people are sort of out-casted. That's why some people are naturally intolerant to these sort of things.
3) Women, stop shaming traditional masculinity...
There is absolutely no benefit in rewarding these types of people in society by delusional favoring. Stop shaming the traditional masculine man! Acceptance is absolutely necessary for people who differentiate, and if you have any sort of empathy, then you would agree. Having said that, the issue arises when society attempts to shame those who are not of inferiority status.
I see this all time. A great example of this is when girls attempts to bring down masculine men by saying that what they are doing is a result of overcompensation, and/or a small penis. If you drive a truck, you have a small penis. If you workout, then you have a small penis. If you have shoot guns, you have small penis. If you do anything remotely masculine, then by misguided influential default, you have a small penis. That's absolutely ridiculous.
4) Men, stop shaming traditional masculinity...
Another example of this would be in regards to men shaming other men for acting in any which way that would be considered masculine. To the insecure feminine man, masculinity is intimidating.
Let's talk about the overused term 'developed'. Yes... "developed". A lot of men who are feminine by nature like to shame other men who are not by derogatory means. They do this by claiming that masculine men are of neanderthal status, and they themselves, are developed and educated. They synonymously correlate "developed" with sitting in an air conditioned room at university all day utilizing their brain. If you don't abide by that definition of development, then you are considered of neanderthal status and/or a 'meathead'.
Let's talk about reality here for a second. The key to the pursuit of happiness is a well rounded life. I'm 23 years old and at first glance, you would probably make your assumption that I match the criteria of a meathead. I'm also in engineering, and I do study for hours on end in a air conditioned lab. That being said, I like to do other things as well. Mind blowing shit right?
The reason why the feminine man does this, is because the masculine man is a direct reflection of what they strive be, but cannot for whatever reason. The issue arises when they intentionally attempt to bring you down by using these negative stereotypes in a derogatory manner. That within itself fits the criteria of what we call insecurity. That's when I have an issue. That's when I realize that this feminization of men propaganda is pushed too far. I see this all too often.
5) Concluding as to why gender roles are not a "social construct"...
By this logic, what I just mentioned would actual be intertwined with a social construct. That being said, the social construct part is set on the foundation of cold hard facts. That's why masculinity and femininity is not a social construct. Some of it's variables are applicable to the definition, but nothing more than that.
If you look at history, it evidently proves this to be true. Yes we are much more developed and that's a common response to this whole argument. It doesn't matter though, history is history, and we are still human beings. No amount of social awareness will change out the foundation of our biological wiring.
The social construct variable to this argument is simply responsive. Society is responsive to our biological wiring. Again, this is why masculinity and femininity by itself is not a social construct and never will be.
We're Getting Too Soft. Stop Adhering!
I grew up in an environment where being overly emotional was shamed. My dad spanked me and pulled the belt when I talked back or did something stupid. When I broke up with my girlfriend at the time for cheating on me when I was younger, I told my dad. He saw me depressed and called me one day and told me grab my fucking balls and move on. I did. It snapped me back into reality. I sincerely thank my dad for all that tough love today because it molded me into the man I am. It made me into a stronger version of myself. I personally think that a lot of men these days are too emotional, and too soft. I think it's a mistake to reward that kind of behavior and shame in opposition.
1) It's Called Banter... Calm Down Becky...
My senior year of high school, I enlisted in the Marine Corps. I left right after graduation. You can probably assume that I've been surrounded by hyper masculinity to the extreme just from knowing that about me.
If you were skinny, then they made fun of you. If you talked like a nerdy bitch, then they made fun of you. If you didn't get pussy, then they would make fun of you. If you fucked up doing simple things, then they would make fun of you. The list goes on...
You see, this was all in good humor though. If someone was personally making fun of you then that meant they liked you. My roommate here at university is a virgin and I call him a pussy all the time for it. He in return makes fun of me for a lot of other things. We laugh about it. It's called banter. It's called men being men. A lot of men don't have thick enough skin to even joke around like that anymore. I personally think that is pathetic that we can't even joke around like that without someone getting all butthurt and beat up about it.
2) Story Time...
I remember the first account I had on here. I answered this guys question. I sort of made a joke at this guy in reference to my answer. He was twenty-four years old and wearing a Pokemon T-Shirt in his profile pic. I was expecting this guy to make fun of my nose or some shit in which I would of laughed. No. This grown ass man wrote me a goddamn novel as to how he has the right to express his individuality in any way that he see's fit. He said my comment was offensive and went onto tell me about his broken childhood and how Pokemon was apparently his only escape. I was staring at my computer like this...
3) Stop taking yourself so seriously everyone... Stop this politically correct bullshit!
Here is an example from what I see on gag in which you can all relate to.
It's entirely up to your judgement as to whether or not you deem my humor funny. In my opinion, people should be able to laugh at themselves a little more instead of taking themselves so seriously all the time.
I'm vulgar. I'm loud. I joke around. That's me. I'm not going to filter everything I say in attempt to satisfy everyone else. I'm going to be myself. Life is too short for that. Enjoy life. Learn to relax and laugh at yourself once in a while.
Here is an example of how it should be in my opinion. Here is an example of someone rational.
Concluding...
Men...
This might be hard to realize, but women actually like feeling feminine. They actually like you slapping their ass unexpectedly. They like it when you have the ability to take control of a situation with ease. Embrace your manly ways, don't hold them back. Women love that shit.
Am I implying that you adhere to anything other than what is natural? Nope!
Trying to act and adhere to any type of masculinity with effort? That's all false dominance boyos, the girl needs to actually trust you to submit to you. Fabrication will turn a woman away from you very quickly. If she likes you, and is truly submissive towards you, then she will trust and respect you and your judgement. That doesn't come instantly, but rather through time.
Seriously, just act like a mensch. It's really not that hard. Act like a man, put all the bullshit aside, stand your ground while acting within the best interest of the two of you. Do this and your girl will respect you as a man. You need to be the leader. What kind of leader lets trivial guidelines get in the way of his better judgment? Be you... Be a fucking man...
Women...
This might be hard to realize, but men actually like feeling masculine. They actually like it when you give them a massage and home cooked meal when they get home from a long day. Not because you feel obligated to, but for the fact that you like to make your man feel like a king. By nature, you're much more nurturing than a man. Accept that. Embrace it. Men love that shit.
Am I implying that you adhere to anything other than what is natural? Nope!
Be genuine within yourself and with your intentions towards him. Be unapologetic in your feelings for the fact that you're entitled to them. Be genuinely interested in your man's life and his success. Compliment him when you feel it's compliment worthy. Be a badass bitch who isn't afraid to stick up for yourself. Make your man feel good about himself in every way. You're a team ready to dominate the fucking world together. No times to be playing games of trying to prove a point of where you stand as a woman. Games are for children.
Lettuce be real...
Who do you want by your side when shit goes down? What kind of man will you be looking at?
BOOM.
You know what I like?
I like how my girlfriend and I have a dynamic in which we both know our place as me the man, and as her the woman. I lead and she trusts my judgement and ability to lead.
...Triggered?
What Girls & Guys Said
30 35Dude... couldn't agree more. I can't tell you how many young couples I see and they are both wearing skinny jeans and I can't tell which one is the dude. All the Test got sucked out of the dudes through this new age teaching system... compare a soldier from 1944 who is 21 years old and a normal 21 year old male.. it's shocking! Only getting worse! Nice Take.
"Consider that women are very emotional beings and are turned on by much more so than solely the physical perspective."
I believe women experience more intense emotions, but I don't think it's what generates attraction for women. I think that masculinity is what generates attraction for women. This includes his physical appearance. Attraction and emotional bonding can be separate. If a man has narrow shoulders and bitch hips, he can be as masculine as ever in other ways, but I will never ever be attracted to him. He doesn't have to be very built, just not too skinny. I need to see wide shoulders, narrow hips and a strong tight ass. This is the visual I want when I think of the man I desire to take charge in the bedroom.
"Stop shaming the traditional masculine man... the issue arises when society attempts to shame those who are not of inferiority status."
This is like a planet fitness mentality. They claim that there is no judgement, except if you're a big muscular dude that represents what fitness actually is. If you have pencil legs a huge spare tire around the waist and saggy man titties, they will accept you more than the fit guy. I find that ridiculous.
"If you drive a truck, you have a small penis. If you workout, then you have a small penis... If you do anything remotely masculine, then by misguided influential default, you have a small penis."
I know a guy who works out and does steroids. Many would think because of how huge his muscles are, that his penis must be named tiny Tim. In reality, he has a huge case of horse cock.
"Concluding as to why gender roles are not a "social construct."
I don't even see them as gender "roles" I see this as just allowing yourself to be in your own natural state as nature intended.
"When I broke up with my girlfriend at the time for cheating on me when I was younger, I told my dad. He saw me depressed and called me one day and told me grab my fucking balls and move on. I did." I think it's just as detrimental for a woman to stay in this depressed mindset. I think moving on would contribute to her femininity. "I was staring at my computer like this... It was a strong "what the.. fuck?3) Stop taking yourself so seriously everyone... Stop this politically correct bullshit!" Hahahaha that's hysterical 😂👍🏼 "... women actually like feeling feminine. They actually like you slapping their ass unexpectedly. They like it when you have the ability to take control of a situation with ease. Embrace your manly ways, don't hold them back. Women love that shit." Mmmmmhmmm 😍😍😍 there's a difference between a man being able to be in control than a controlling man.
"men actually like feeling masculine. They actually like it when you give them a massage and home cooked meal when they get home from a long day. Not because you feel obligated to, but for the fact that you like to make your man feel like a king." I absolutely always enjoyed doing these things even when I thought I was a hardcore feminist lol. Don't get me wrong, I love when a man can give me a nice massage if I feel I need one or if he enjoys cooking, that's cool, as long as he's into things that are very masculine. I had a friend who once told me that her guy used to love painting her toenails and she loved it. Not for nothing, but I wouldn't really be into that. I'd find it super weird. I love attention from my man, but painting toenails lol? 😂😂😂 I want a man to rub my back and relax me, then seduce me and then ravish me!!! At times, I just want him to grab me and ravish me.
"Be genuine within yourself and with your intentions towards him. Be unapologetic in your feelings... Games are for children. Lettuce be real..." Hahahaha😂😂😂😂 love it love it love!!! "I like how my girlfriend and I have a dynamic in which we both know our place as me the man, and as her the woman. I lead and she trusts my judgement and ability to lead." I have no problem with this as long as he is willing to hear me out and take what I say into consideration. For me, this helps me to trust him. ------------- I kept reading to find the asshole part and I didn't find anything that you said to be offensive. I believe men and women have similarities and differences, but those similarities are still worn differently. A lot has to do with the way one carries him or herself. I believe both get turned on by visual and personality. The difference is that feminine women get turned on by masculine physical attributes and masculine men get turned on by feminine physical attribute
You make some interesting points- some which resonates, some which I don't really understand / agree with. I don't think we can really say that femininity/masculinity is a purely biological construct. I don't think we can boil it all down to ratios of estrogen and testosterone. For example, in our society, most people associate motorcycling as a "manly" activity... but there's nothing in our biology, in our sex chromosomes, which prescribes that idea. Same thing with tattoos being "manly"... nothing strictly biological tells us to think that way. Through social conditioning, we learn those associations. I don't think there's a unidirectional relationship connecting biology to society/culture. I think it's bidirectional, that biology can influence society and that society can influence biology. An example of the latter is... PTSD, depression, other disorders. Fun fact: biologically, some believe maleness to actually be a defect. All embryos start off as female. All of us did. Only later in development does the Y chromosome that males carry actually have an effect and "turns off" femaleness.
The next point that stuck out to me is the idea of banter. I think banter works when you have established some kind of rapport with the other person. It is much easier to do this in person- we can pick up on so many nonverbal cues, we can tell just by looking at someone's posture/stance/facial expressions if they'd be open to banter. It's much harder to read people online. Therefore, I don't think it's really fair to say some people don't have a good sense of humor or are too sensitive when they can't read you and you can't read them. Playing devil's advocate here, one might say that you are overly sensitive in that having people not respond well to your banter has influenced you and is important/relevant enough to you to mention here. Or perhaps that bit of the take was not meant to be taken seriously at all. lol. :) Who can really know. I guess what I'm trying to say is that... you can't ever really know how someone is interpreting your banter/jokes... but telling someone to just take it easy and live a little if they aren't responding positively to you just seems... cheap, for the lack of a better word. Like their reaction should be belittled because it didn't fit what you were looking for.
Nice take.
"I don't think we can really say that femininity/masculinity is a purely biological construct." I actually never made this claim. I said gender roles "fire the most part" are a result of biological science. Furthermore, there is a lot more to our endocrine system than ratios of testosterone to estrogen. There are a lot more hormones in our body being produced other than testosterone and estrogen. It's not that black and white. I've explained as to why tattoos are considered masculine. I went in depth to explain as to why women are are attracted to men with tattoos but men not as much. That's stems from a biological level. Motorcycles are loud, they're edgy, and they are dangerous. That goes hand in hand with high amounts of testosterone. They are masculine for that reason.
Mental disorders can impact brain chemistry. You're absolutely correct and I agree. I'm just not sure how that has much of a correlation to gender roles directly. This logic doesn't make your statement gender roles being bilateral valid for the fact that it carries no relevance directly to gender roles. While I'm not denying that claim as I mentioned from the start, this doesn't solidify that claim in the contextual surroundings of this argument.
Banter and someone's interpretation of banter is completely subjective. The question I'm trying to raise is the direction is that subjection heading. What constitutes friendly and insulting? Again, that's entirely dependent upon that persons opinion. It's more of a question of personal discretion in regards to banter from a general perspective.
By no means am I saying that you have to laugh at my banter and if you don't, then you are wrong. If that were my mindset then I would of completely deviated from what would be considered rational thought.
Rational... That's how I personal differentiate response to banter. Take a statistical bell curve. Rational is considered to be in the first standard deviation. Responses may vary but if someone falls out of the first standard deviation in the negative direction, then they are considered to be if the lesser, thus constituting a irrational response. Note that the first standard deviation is a result of the greater population by default.
A good example of that would be that opinion in which I posted of the user receiving several downvotes. That's a clear indication that this person breaks away from what most consider rational. By the logic of statistical and probabilistic reasoning, that person would be deemed irrational. This section of the take was actually in reference to real life scenarios. I added in the gag part so that people can directly relate.
True, you did not use the term “purely”- That was my word. Your main contention against femininity/masculinity as a social construct is that those traits are largely biologically driven. I disagreed and proposed a more communicative relationship between biology and society. As an aside, I absolutely agree that it isn’t as black and white as testosterone and estrogen ratios- I stated that as well. Tattoos in and of themselves are a creation of society. You’re using a social product to deny a social construct… There is artwork from 4000 BC showing women with tattoos on their bodies. The notion that tattoos aren’t feminine has nothing to do with the emergence of feminism and the rejection of traditional feminine behaviors, when most would agree that feminism began to develop in the 1840s, not millennia ago.
“Motorcycles are loud, they're edgy, and they are dangerous. That goes hand in hand with high amounts of testosterone. They are masculine for that reason.” Feeling thrill and excitement, craving the risk and danger- that’s dopamine. Women are “taught” that taking part in such behaviors is improper, unsafe. I do not believe that we innately “knew” that riding a motorcycle is masculine. It’s something we were conditioned to view as masculine. I used mental disorders as an example of how society can influence biology. I will now provide a more relevant example. I think most would agree that the average woman is weaker than the average man, physically. That difference in physical strength is often used in arguments about masculinity and femininity. Clearly, it’s biological, right?
But what if, because of how society has consistently been structured with men starting off as hunters and women as gatherers and child-rearers, women have consistently not developed the same physical strength as men- something that has become compounded over thousands of years, through evolution. So now… we -are- the weaker sex. Biologically, that’s most evident on the musculoskeletal level. But perhaps we had the potential to not be so. Moving onto banter. I’m not sure how you can apply a standard bell curve to rationality. To me, there are no shades of grey when it comes to rational thought. You’re either saying something rational, or you’re not. I’ve never thought “Yeah, that sounds 75% rational.” Lol. You’re proposing that the mean is someone being rational, and one standard deviation above is someone being even MORE rational?
That doesn’t make sense at all. I’m sure there’s some mathematical model you can apply to rationality, but… an SBC does not seem to be a good fit for this premise. It seems like what you were really trying to say is that someone receiving a lot of downvotes indicates that what they’re saying is not normal, not socially acceptable. I really doubt you can make that call with the GaG population. We are by no means representative of the general population [which further weakens the SBC idea]. Seven people downvoting her does not mean that MOST people feel that way, or feel the way you do about the appropriateness of making light of mental disorders. Those downvotes aren’t a reflection of the rationality or irrationality of her statement either. I’m not saying that you’re “wrong” in joking about what you want... but I do want to make it clear that just because a few people disagreed with her... does not mean everyone else agreed with you, nor does it validate/invalidate either of you.
Tattoos are a creation of society. By no means am I using a social product to deny a social construct. That's asinine. What I am suggesting is that tattoos are driven from biological roots to fit the criteria of masculine. A woman's body is a canvas and by permanently marking that canvas, you are taking away from that purity aspect in how men perceive attractiveness in a woman. I never even attempted to correlate feminism into the discussion tattoos. Tattoos have always been predominantly a male concept. A quick google search will tell you this. Society will always govern social norms and boundaries but to suggest that someone arbitrarily made up these rules would be asinine as well. Our biological roots are the foundation.
Onto motorcycles. Nope. That would be a result of high testosterone.
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A motorcycle goes hand in hand with testosterone. That's why motorcycles are are associated to be masculine.
That will never happen. Look at almost every species on planet earth. The same biological principles fall in place. That is so far out of reach. Not even applicable to the discussion in the slightest.
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I use a bell curve because most are familiar with what a bell curve is. I think it just comes down to this... How do you define rationality? You define it by how the vast majority does. That's why I compared the bell curve. Moving in the positive direction would be agreement. Moving in the negative direction would be disagreement. Percentages would be as to how much that person agrees or disagrees. How strongly they feel about it where they stand. If someone is getting downvoted signifigantly more than everyone else, then that's an indication. That's a sample of the population and not to be ignored. By the logic of probabilistic reasoning, the probability of that girl being wrong is to be deemed pretty high given that scenario. We don't just ignore logic by saying that's not enough. That's a valid indication if everyone is disagreeing with her statement.
You’re arguing that masculinity/femininity is largely biological and that tattoos are masculine. But where’s the actual link between those ideas? You characterize tattoos as being symbols of wisdom and experience and that they tell a story. Wisdom, experience, storytelling aren’t inherently masculine. Soft, radiant skin, feminine facial features, a body that screams fertility... that’s physically attractive to you. But unless a woman is getting a face tattoo, how is any of that negated by the presence of tattoos? Tattoos don’t affect the shape of a woman’s body, the radiance of her face, the shape of her lips, her ability to have children etc. Biologically, nothing is changing within that woman. Tattoos might be more common among XYs, but that doesn’t mean it’s prescribed BY the presence of that Y chromosome.
An aside: True, you did not bring up feminism in the paragraph about tattoos- that term came up later in your take. However, the rest of that sentence still holds for me, as I’ve discussed above.
Motorcycles: The first link didn’t work. The second article is about financial risk-taking. Do you really equate motorcycle riding with financial risk-taking? I’m not sure what I was supposed to take from that article aside from… heightened testosterone helping with returns and heightened cortisol being linked with risk. This study in no way negates the role that dopamine plays in thrill-seeking, risky behaviors. Third article- again, you aren’t rebutting my point that dopamine plays a role in all this. This study did not examine dopamine at all. I wouldn’t really equate a guy doing tricks on a skateboard to motorcycle riding either… I imagine it would be difficult to find evidence for this extremely specific situation we’re talking about anyway though.
Physical Makeup: You aren’t rebutting my point with that article. I already stated that women are physically weaker than men. The argument I proposed can’t be invalidated by any study. It just can’t because we can never know exactly what it was like tens of thousands of years ago. We can’t go back to Adam and Eve and know how similar/dissimilar they were in body type, in strength etc. We can’t know if women had the same physical potential as men, but because of how society was structured and roles were doled out- the potentiality was lost. It’s something to consider, not to dissect and disprove.
Rationality/Banter: I sincerely have never thought of rationality in the way that you’re describing. I do agree that generally, rationality is defined by how the majority swings, but I don’t understand how the SBC applies. It sounds like you’re saying only 50% of a normally distributed population could ever believe that something is rational. We know that isn’t true… About the banter situation- I think you’re making too many assumptions here. If I went on an pro-Trump thread and posted something anti-Trump, I would be likely to get way more downvotes than all the pro-Trump posters who would flock to that thread.
Does that make my response any less valid or any less rational? No. People of a certain belief flocked to that thread and would react negatively to my opposing response- but that doesn’t negate my statements or render them invalid. I don’t recommend using downvotes/upvotes as a gauge for what is right, wrong, or rational. For example, 100 people could have seen her opinion, and 7 people downvoted. Or perhaps only 15 people saw her opinion, and 7 people downvoted. We really can’t draw conclusions about popular opinion from that.
Of course they are natural if they also happen to be convenient to you in particular. Plenty others to whom they at times are an obstacle would disagree.
Interesting but even though I like men who are manly I don't like them too manly either. I'm not into the super tough boy arrogant type, I'm more into the k-popish man who are sorta manly-metro
Fuck that's a long ass post just to say the 2 genders aren't the same. Anyone with a bit of logic already knows that.
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Nice take. But you're gonna trigger everyone and their mother because of this 😂
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THANK YOU. I absolutely agree.
I don't think most people would try to say that gender roles are not natural, or try to say that your underlying facts/points are not true. Sure there are some feminists and other extreme liberals who would, and I suppose you have come to think that represents all modern people because yes, they do tend to be loud.
There are just a couple things you do that ruin your credibility, and make people not listen to you, and make you no different than your opposition you try to hard to put down.
Firstly, you insult everyone. And I know you like to and think they need it, but you're wrong. Every other one of your memes and titles is basically saying "I just blew your mind! dumbass! Owned!" as if you just made a touchdown over your audience. Basically the most condescending way of driving home the point "I just told you something that I bet you didn't know!" more than even trying to drive home any point. Nope, that doesn't work on people, and you're not even teaching/preaching anything new and novel, just trying to make people look dumb. How many times has anyone ever incited social change by acting like an immature frat brah and belittling everyone?
Second, just because gender roles are natural, does not mean we should not be making social progress away from some parts about them. I don't know what your ideal society looks like, but I gather from your general attitude that it has something to do with men beating each other up in competition over females, and females caring for the kids and grooming the men, basically identical to the way apes live. Any step away from that is "getting soft" from some perspective. That might work well for you as long as you are healthy, strong, and young. I know it would not work for me, because I would certainly be dead in such a society. And what about today? Do you think guys like me should just kill ourselves because we are so worthless compared to the great Alphas? I naturally am the way I am, and to claim that I should be something else is a total insult. Us nerdy beta types gave you medicine, cars, airplanes, roads, bridges, computers, everything, while you types were busy fighting. You might have done the hard labor aspect of building modern society, but there would be nothing to build if we were all grunting around like apes and killing off all the gentle, less masculine, thinking types. Hell, us nerdy beta types invented guns (and every other weapon throughout history) so we would not have to be pushed around by apes.
This was so great m you made some genuine points that needs to be understood.
Serious question, just curious, where do like homosexuals fall based on your post? Do you share a similar view of them being weak I guess for being gay since some people could say being gay isn't a typical straight male behavior. Or do you judge masculine gay men differently vs feminine gay men?
When it comes to "shaming" masculinity, especially "men" shaming masculinity, it doesn't really matter. They're weak people anyway. Trying to argue with them about why men should be strong is like trying to argue with a vegan on how best to cook a steak. They don't get it, never will get it, and their opinion is irrelevant anyway.
This work because some men are ok with it (the man who aren't manly and is a bit feminine support them) so this is why this exist.
It sound like in my country, lot of guys have a very feminine side and show it.
Unmanly guys doesn't support gender roles because they know they would be fucked up and unattractive.
There is nothing "natural" about ROLES constructed by SOCIETY.
I've always related to this idea of men dominating but you know how to explain it in some really valid points
This was a fabulous take and I really enjoyed reading this
Men SHOULD be dominating... that's one of my standards. If he's a basement dweller and expects me to tell him what to do all the time then... fuck this shit I'm out
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I personally think we are equal. Feminism is the weirdest shit ever created... I just can't believe something like that exists. We are equal, because there are things that men can do but women can't and there are things that women can do but men can't. For me this is equality and gender roles show equality in some sort of way
'' My dad spanked me and pulled the belt when I talked back or did something stupid.''
some people would be like
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that thing made you tough ok? Never feel ashamed by that. I can relate to that bcs I already talked you about my brother and my dad was always really harsh to him. That made him an unstoppable alpha and dominant man. He's 27 and didn't do his university yet bcs he turned different directions in life. He's the manager of a super big company here without a university and that shows he actually IS alpha and thanks dad for that. Now I wanna talk about the other brother. He's 24 and was treated WAY better than the other brother. Times changed, dad was different. Not to brag about it but he's alpha as fuck too, but NEVER like the big brother. He gets butthurt easily as fuck but gets over things within minutes
''This might be hard to realize, but women actually like feeling feminine. They actually like you slapping their ass unexpectedly. They like it when you have the ability to take control of a situation with ease. Embrace your manly ways, don't hold them back. Women love that shit.''
THIS ^^
But not all females. There are still kinds of females who love crybabies and submissive men. This is PATHETIC AT BEING PATHETIC !
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This as a great Take. I had no intentions of reading the entire thing but it was well written.
Taylor spliff Ahahhah.
I clicked in hopes that this will stop showing up after every god damn time I answer a question! Not bad though.
In other words stop being a pussy, grow some balls, and gender roles rule.
Agreed.
I agree.
Mirin take.
loling at the "I self diagnose…" screenshot lmaoooooo
Lmaoo. That girl is stange af. Blocked me after a while little debate in which I slayed her. Never blocked me through everything else but I guess I got her to that day.
TLDR. A quick browse I'm guessing this about men being men and women being women - that's good.
Just know that being a strong man, an 'alpha man' is not being an asshole. It's being about to lead, to be a rock for his woman, to have his life mission, and she is an adjunct to his life, not the center of it.
There is a difference between being 'nice' and being 'kind'. Sometimes women really don't know what they want, so it's up to the man to provide for what they NEED.