So this is a long time coming I think for me. After the Stanford case, many questions on here and people questioning me personally. I really have to ask, do people not know what it is?
I see a question where a guy is forcing himself onto a girl over and over and over again despite her saying no over and over and over again, at which point he tells her off, pushes her and leaves. That's not justified. You committed sexual assault - that's a crime. You tried to make it her fault - that's manipulation and you are a douche.
Those are what causes rape. If you are drinking, you take responsibility for the amount you drink, where you're drinking etc, because regretting it, does not make it rape. However, if you say no while drunk, it does become rape. If you are unconscious on the ground, that is not an invitation to others. Perhaps you made bad judgment in drinking that much, but that's still not an invitation or permission! Only one person is the victim in that instance.
If you don't understand what rape is; watch the tea video: (there's swearing)
And finally, a point that bothers me that I saw asked (hopefully by a troll). How is it rape if s/he orgasms? Because biologically that can happen. I don't want to have sex but you kiss my neck? I'm going to get wet and horny, doesn't mean I may still not want sex! A male can wake up with an erection, get them randomly, doesn't mean it's him saying "yeah just jump on me". If you have to ask yourself "am I sure" then no, you shouldn't do it.
But this also goes for people that didn't want it, but say nothing. If you don't give off any impression to your sex partner that you don't want sex, then it isn't rape. And maybe internally it feels like it was, but you can't label that person as a rapist either. They didn't know. I would start getting annoyed if my SO asked every single thrust, every single finger, every single kiss "do you still consent?".
I leave it with this final photo in regards to why victims are not wrong for fearing men or women after their assault. Even if it is a generalisation against a gender. I got cheated on once, spent 2 years hating all men. I KNEW you weren't all the same, doesn't mean I could bring myself to truly trust anyone for a while.
Now, my little rant is over, everyone please be respectful in the comments.
Sorry this a little all over the place, didn't want it too long but it all just popped into my head.
What Girls & Guys Said
9 43this is stupid there are plenty of gray areas in this.
I agree that rape is rape.
But let me ask you this. Imagine for a moment that you were a guy, and that you were in prison. Now if you were in the showers one day and you dropped your soap, would you bend down to pick it up?
why do people frame it like this wasn´t common knowledge/common sense?
And once alcohol is shown to be in the system of both people, both parties arguments are inadmissible.
No gray areas, so what if they're both drunk, both the man and woman, and they have sex? Consent can't occur because they're under the intoxicated, but they both are. So who raped who?
By law they raped each other. And that's what it is. And if you wanted to press charges best hope you press them first. However, I am not going to argue that here because my beliefs in that are a different argument and I'm sick and on my phone.
I don't think drunk sex should be considered "rape". I know many people say that your ability to make decisions is impaired when your drunk in a similar manner to how it's impaired when you swallow a date rape drug. But the difference is this: the person who was drunk willing put themselves in the mentally compromised state while the person who swallowed the date rape drug did not. If someone with a mental illness went into a psychotic state hit someone while driving they wouldn't be punished because in such a state they can't be held responsible for their actions. However if someone was drunk and hit someone they would be held responsible because even though they were in a deluded state like the psychotic person, they willingly put themselves in that state to begin with. Oh and as for our last conversation, what you saw wasn't a derogatory statement but a typo. B is next to N on the keyboard so But turned to Nut.
Exactly,
Rape is rape no matter what, anything else is just trying to justify a morally reprehensible act
Ironically the same people who go on about this... Will hush up quickly if things like the Cologne rapes or African/Arab on white rape is brought up about Europe...
If you think feminists who decry rape at home accept it abroad, you're an idiot... we're against sexual assault wherever it happens, whoever it happens to, whatever the circumstances. However, we have far more power to actually effect change in our home countries and ally countries than we do to effect change in distant countries and cultures. So that's where we focus our energy.
@Sara413 that's why the police is always there for, to serve and to protect. I can be selfish and still masturbate because a fear that all women are skanks and sluts, even it's a generalization against the gender. It's really difficult to approach a woman who isn't a slut because all women have an inner slut. I am an emotionally strong person and I don't care about having sex.
@Sara413 If I want sex, I'll masturbate and I don't care about the outside world.
@Paul6754 um... ok...
@Sara413 I can go MGTOW till I die because I don't want sluts, hoes or nasty skanks in my life.
If I want but luckily I found a woman who I accept that isn't a hoe or a slut or a nasty skank. I blocked off all of my dating sites and I stopped going to bars/nightclubs.
@Sara413 i saw little feminist support when the rapes in colonge happened.
@Paul6754 what does anything you said have to do with anything? Are you off your meds?
@superiorbuffdude ok. I saw plenty. I guess people see what they expect to see...
@Sara413 i was proving my point that I can also be selfish as much as women.
@Paul6754 still not seeing how that is relevant? The OP was talking about rapes that occur abroad and among different cultures, claiming the people who get angry about rapes at home don't care about them... what does that have to do with your incoherent ramblings about sluts and masturbation?
@Sara413 well, I am revolted because it's only women problem? I just stormed this stupid sh*tty post with my men problems.
@Sara413 I'm calling BS, feminism has declared multiple times that women DO NOT RAPE! That rape is a tool used by the patriarchy to silence and control women. This has been repeated many times by many different prominent feminists. Feminism has intentionally blocked efforts to include sexual assaults by women as rape, including lobbying against recent attempts at law changes. Feminism has, through campus women's centers, to prosecute male victims of sexual assault.
@Sara413 Haha, yeah right. I dare any "feminist" to go to those hot spot in Africa, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other middle east places where this happens a lot. Especially Muslim cultures.
You are right about the no means no part. And I would like to include that yes means yes.. And maybe means maybe.
sorry... i'm laughing at the pie chart that's not even a pie.
lol.
Yeah, there's no slices to eat.
Why are you saying common sense.
Just stay away from drunk girls or high on something stay away they ain't worth it
Girls are the devil. In those environment
Then we have enlitled sociopatic men who doent care who will do It any way.
Although I agree with the concept, I don't quite understand what your point is.
If you are talking about date rape, then yeah, it's a problem.
If you are talking about straight rape, then the rapist does not care!!
I say that the girls need to learn some goddam jiu-jistsu. Nothing says no like an arm bar!!!
If alcohol were gone, rape would probably go down by like 20%. Also spousal abuse, divorce, unplanned pregnancies, violence would go down.
If holding this view makes me sexist, I guess I'm a sexist then.
In regards to the take responsibility while drinking...
A female with any alcohol saying yes is still considered rape because "women can't make rational decisions when alcohol is in them" YET a male who is absolutely fucked up drunk is expected to have the mental capacity to make a rational decision on if something is going to far? How the fuck?
Women also need to stop the "assumed no" attitude and "NO means NO... Except when it doesn't because I want to see just how much you are willing to fight for me" crap.
Rape is actually not common, justice statistic show it's been less than 1 in 1000 over the last decade. That's including assumed "not come forward" cases, and doesn't exclude the approximate 40% of false accused claims.
When it does happen the rapist should be burned at the stake... but that should also include the endless list of female teachers who are raping our children or other female rapist. Yet time and time again female rapist are excused, ignored, or given a slap on the wrist. It's easy to push the idea that rape is a mostly male crime when almost all female rapist are ignored.
Every time a rapist is a male, there is a massive campaign pushed to light a torch behind the "Men are all rapist" machine, but every time a female is a rapist... "crickets". Let's stop the bullshit rape hysteria, stop expanding the definition of rape to include regret, alcohol, feeling "obligated", etc. and start punishing the crime equally across both sexes.
No one should get away with raping someone whether it's a guy or girl
@99percentangel They shouldn't but sadly the truth in our society is that women are given almost nothing for most crimes in comparison to males for the same crime, and until there is constant and massive campaigns and social pushes to attack and shame women for the crimes the way people constantly lynch mob any male (even the ones falsely accused). Then male victims of crimes by women will not be counted and only when confronted with it will people say "well it shouldn't be that way".
There is no real statistics on false rape claims. The statistics stand for not insufficient evidence, in it also includes false claim. The reports I've seen its 8% unfounded/false reports in the US. There is in no way 40% false rape reports. It's actually quite uncommon.
@Rainie_ There are different statistics ranging from 2% to 40% false rape claims. Opinion Owner picked on extreme. Personally I would assume the golden middle of 20% is quite believable.
@Rainie_ There is no real stats on how many rapes go unreported either but women have no problem pushing it as some real entity.
The false rape number has at least a peer reviewed study explaining the numbers and isn't pulled directly out of someones ass like the "don't come forward" stat.
sf-criminaldefense.com/.../...eRapeAllegations.pdf
False accusations are so common it's sickening. Your misinformation is why we have so many issues in the first place.
Grey areas exist. If two drunk people have sex, is it consenting? And if not, who raped whom? Did they rape each other?
This post is complete and utter hate and bullshit. If you think that pie chart you posted is ok, you're just delusional. I hate rapists more than the next guy, but were animals. You go out with your ass or tits or both hanging out, you're going to get a lot of BAD attention from horny animals (humans) who have a sexual instinct. I feel like women think they can just run around in society drunk and/or half naked guarded by a big bubble, but if things go south, they just go blame everything and everybody. I don't think so. Wake up and GROW up
And where did I say that that is not true? This post is not bullshit, we're animals yes, but we're also of higher intelligence. And while I think people should take responsibility, we lock our house and our cars don't we? Well how about not walking down dark alleys practically naked and wasted. But even if you leave your car unlocked accidentally, just like if you drink that one drink you weren't aware was really strong because you couldn't taste the alcohol, so your car gets broken into or you pass out... it's still the thief who broke in, it's still the rapist who raped you. So while I believe in taking preventative measures, in the end, it's still not your fault that someone is a rapist.
Listen. Here's the bottom line. When you go out and get completely shit faced and are dressed where 30% of your body is covered and you're surrounded by low life scum, you should expect the worst. It's your fault for putting yourself in such a horrible situation. Why would you expect a completely wasted scum to act any better?
I hope people read this and understand it and be smart. But many fellas on the internet don't listen to reason.
I don't want to have sex anymore because women are becoming hoes, sluts or dirty skanks these days. I don't care if it's a generalization against the gender. If I'm unmanly because of my safety against a STD, I'll be more than happy to accept it. I've blocked all of my dating sites and I've stopped going to bars and nightclubs.
And we're supposed to care because. . . ?
@Jxpxtxr Isn't it "manly" to act like a total dick and get as much STD as we possibly can?
You're just so pathetic whining about this under a completely unrelated topic tbh..
@Jxpxtxr it's the part of the topic.
@Jxpxtxr how am I whining when I am more cautious about getting a STD than in high school?
@Jxpxtxr just like women about rape, I'm allowed to be cautious about STDs.
@Jxpxtxr more women are becoming promiscuous, and I'd rather be safe and happy than to fuck a slut. It's just the way it works and if you don't like it, sucks to be you. I am emotionally strong and I don't need a how to fulfill my emotional needs.
Woman*
I don't need a hoe to fill my sexual needs, I can do that myself.
Hahaha and now you are butthurt because I pointed out the truth. And I'm sorry you are apparently completely oblivious of the existence of condoms but your loss, u probably couldn't get laid even if u tried lmao 😂😂😂
@Jxpxtxr You're just a fool because you know it's true and you're just covering it up with excuses. I suggest you stop it because it's not working for me, you're not fooling anyone with your stupid excuses.
@Jxpxtxr I'm not a virgin and yes I don't want to get laid anymore because hoes like you revolt me.
Hahaha and because you're such a womaniser you're using dating sites at 20 in the first place I suppose..😂😂 And this is still not an appropriate topic for your rant 😂
@Jxpxtxr isn't it "unmanly" to have a condom on? Most hoes wouldn't want fuck with the condom on the guy's dick because the women is on the "pill". Thats bullshit.
@Jxpxtxr Yeah? Who's going to come and stop me? Also, I don't go to bars/nightclubs too because my friends are idiots anyways.
I can be as selfish as much I want to be, who's going to stop me? I can be alone as long as possible without a woman. I am very happy to be a recluse because I'm a free individual.
@Jxpxtxr Exactly, I would shut up if I were you. I can go MGTOW until I die because I'm capable of handling the world on my own, I'm such an emotionally strong person.
Ok so with other words you're yet another sad internet troll? 😂😂😂
I love how you're making butthurt assumptions about my person because you can't handle the truth. Good luck failing at life 😂😂
This escalated quickly 😂hilarious 😂
@Polocrew check this out 😂
I DON'T CARE if women aren't satisfied with the fact I'm still single.
Well that's great because women don't care about you at all 😂
You are a stranger person
*strange person
@Waffles731 I'm 'revolting' but he's the one telling people to kill themselves lmao
@Jxpxtxr "You're a revolting consumption yourself, you should jump off a cliff." I think he just called you tuberculosis, which honestly may actually be the strangest attempt at an insult I've heard all month
@Jxpxtxr Again, he is clearly bitter about SOMETHING, but from this rant I am actually having trouble deciding on what II think his issue is
@Waffles731 Haha ikr it's hilarious 😂 I didn't have that one before and I've had a lot of insults on this site before so that means something!
@Jxpxtxr I'd take it as kind of a compliment, Your bodycount is 1.5 million people a year. Thats kinda badass
@Waffles731 Hahaha Satan can back off from my throne once I'm back in hell 😈
@Waffles731 Oh look, a mangina. Do you have as much STD as the hoe @Jxpxtxr has?
I'm clean, I'd assume @Jxpxtxr is too as I'm pretty sure TB isn't an STD
@Jxpxtxr No offence but you give more pussy than an animal shelter.
Are you by any chance a failed Gangsta rapper, because thats the level your insults come off at
@Jxpxtxr hey, what did your left leg said to the right? Nothing, they never met.
@Waffles731 I already had that in mind, too 🤔
@Waffles731 Gangsta rapper? I bet you've failed spelling, it's "gangster" not "gangsta".
Gangsta rap or gangster rap is a subgenre of hip hop music with themes and lyrics based on the "thug" or "gangsta" lifestyle.
@Waffles731 Nah, I don't buy that bullshit.
Really you can't come up with proper insults yourself so you need to use the help of a website called "funny insults" ? Really? 😂 You're shitting me, right? 😂😂
@Waffles731 Not even sure what to report this as? It's actually more nonsense than offensive lmao, what do you think?
@Jxpxtxr I often wish there was an option that said, 'pure batshit insanity'
"Opinion OwnerAge: 20 1minnew @Waffles731 How would you know she isn't clean? Are you this slut's @Jxpxtxr bitch?" Apparently I'm your bitch now, I didn't know Prison Rules Applied to G@G as well LMFAO
That was directed at her
@Waffles731 Oh god yes we should make that suggestion to an admin
@Jxpxtxr I'm not a womaniser, I just don't give a fuck.
@Waffles731 You know this crazy dude actually went all mental messaging me and shit 😂
@Jxpxtxr What the actual fuck, Well since G@G apparently runs on prison rules, Just how the appropriate response is to brutally stab him death
@Waffles731 My knives are sharpened euheuheu 😈
@Jxpxtxr lmaoo what 6754 represent? Number of chicks he. jerked off to, its really not hard getting hard as these nerds make it soind like lol
@Polocrew Number of times he's been rejected would probably be more accurate 😂
@Jxpxtxr number of time he almost got laid but then they woke up
@Polocrew In his face 😂👊
Yeah because it only goes to proof what a fugly loser you really are and a pathetic little liar stupid enough to contradict yourself like that:
"I don't want to have sex anymore because women are becoming hoes, sluts or dirty skanks these days. I don't care if it's a generalization against the gender. (rant continued)."
and then:
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So women are hoes, sluts or dirty skanks but you have a lovely girlfriend eh?
I mean man.. you're so delusional and full of shit das just sad..
@Jxpxtxr lmao busted
@Jxpxtxr actually, she was the one wanted to approach me, I've rejected her offer. I know she's a relationship material because she wanted to approach me. I felt bad and this time I've approached her, we've just met so I don't know if we're official. She still have to give me her number. I was contradicting myself that all women are sluts which not all women aren't.
@Polocrew Seriously how can one person be so fucking dumb? 😂😂
@Paul6754 it must hurt very to be this stupid lol that would explain why you're so overly aggressive lmao
"actually, she was the one wanted to approach me, I've rejected her offer. I know she's a relationship material because she wanted to approach me. I felt bad and this time I've approached her, we've just met so I don't know if we're official. She still have to give me her number. I was contradicting myself that all women are sluts which not all women aren't." 😂 My god.. go back to your special needs school and please take your medication to come back to reality.
@Jxpxtxr I do have an amazing personality and we both had an amazing conversation. She had to leave and I had to leave also. She's a cutie and I do love her. I am only good to women if they're good to themselves. A woman needs to prove she deserves my respect in order to give it to her. You don't have the ability because you lack self respect. I don't give a shit about how many partners you've had. It's revolting to say the least.
@Jxpxtxr I'm actually serious, you're still a slut even if you think I'm not telling the truth. You're nothing but a used up slut bag to me. Continue to remark me, I know you're just jealous because someone never approached you like that. Only women are worthy as her get approached. Continue being jealous because it's not only helping with your situation, you're making yourself worse.
I bet you never had that type of love, eh?
Lol yeah I think you have proven your "amazing personality" multiple times by now. No doubt😂😂😂 I gotta leave one thing to you though, you're by far the most butthurt person Gag has ever seen 😂😂😂 Priceless. Pathetic, but priceless.
@Jxpxtxr Seriously what was the point of all this rant with him? I remembered you mentioning this somewhere, now I was reading this MyTake and read this. How was you falling straight into his pathetic rant any different? And you were so desperate went @Polocrew? But it achieved what. How was it any different?
I can't speak for anyone... However I've had the shittiest luck with women... and being the age I'm at and being shut down enough times... you begin to question in your lonely madness... just how and what to acquire... the unattainable... and I'm not paying for sex when weed is a sure thing... sounds like something a creep would say? maybe... all I know is women repel from me and I ignore them so I'm the last dude to pull a sexual assault... plus all the porn addiction has caused sexual maladaptation to the point where I just want to bust a nut... and move along with my life... long story short I thought about raping a chick... just to get being a devirginized over with... it didn't seem like it was my style so I didn't...
all this rape and sexual assault stuff makes me feel afraid to initiate anything with a girl/