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I firmly believe that nothing justifies rape, absolutely nothing. But, sometimes I feel as if I am alone in this. In my time on this sight I have come across a few men who have tried to justify sexual assault to me, and I was apalled. I have even come across some men in my real life who have tried to do the same.
Sexual assault happens to both men and women and it needs to stop being justified. No matter what the person has done in the past, no matter what they are wearing or doing, or if they originally said and yes and then changed their minds.
NO MEANS NO!
If a woman is breastfeeding, this is not an invitation to look at or touch her breast. If a girl or guy is dancing seductively, this not an invitation to grope them.
The other day I had a man, one of my professors in College ,tell me that if ia woman does not want to get raped then she shouldn't dress in a way that invites a rapist. Do you know what this means? It means that he thinks that if a girl wears a lowcut shirt or a miniskirt then she is asking to be raped and that is wrong because it is a justification of rape. Everyone should have the freedom to wear what they want.
Wearing sexy clothes does not cause rape, rapist cause rape.
So many people treat those who come forward with a rape claim as if they are dirty and liers is this is not good for the victims. It makes them feel as if you don't care and in most cases the rapist walks free.
My cousin was sexually assaulted by her father and they did nothing because in the end the jury came up with ways to justify it. It wasn't until she was seventeen that he signed over his parental rights.
I am saddened by modern society. The justification of rape is so common that it makes my heart hurt. I only hope that one day the justification of rape is haulted and this horrible crime is taken seriously along with other forms of sexuall assault on both men and women...because it can happen to men too and people need to quit acting like men are immune to sexual assault.
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20 56Your stats are wrong. "97% of perpetrators will not spend a single day in jail" is based on a faulty survey by RAINN. The survey treats "rape" *very* loosely, and assumes that every single accusation is 100% correct.
Rape is actually on a steady decline, and has been ever since the 90's. It's not suddenly more common.
How do you know the survey is wrong? They may have given a loose definition include the lgbt people. Or even to include guys who could've been drug/roofied.
@CandyStripes77 well, they're not necessarily "wrong", but the conclusion is entirely incorrect. 97% of people who have been directly or indirectly accused of sexual misdemeanor, have not spent a single day in jail. Sexual misdemeanor can be something as simple as a girlfriend who begrudgingly goes along with sex one time, even though she's not really into it at that moment. That's how loose the definition is. Rape is still far too common, but to say that only 3% of rapists actually go to jail, is an exaggerated scare tactic.
Well, they'd probably go to jail for at least a few hours when they were arrested. But I think OP meant prison. Except, I would believe that most don't go to prison because they could just take plea bargains and have lesser charges, if they were charged. Sexual assault can be hard to prove I've heard.
Just to put it on the record. Rape isn't justified by anyone. Maybe the rapists themselves, but no one else and especially not society as a whole.
Now, some people might say a girl made stupid decisions that lead to rape but that's not exonerating the rapist or justifying his actions. It's saying don't do stupid shit that put your safety at risk.
"Should" you have to worry about these things? No. But the reality is you do have to worry about it. Bad people don't give a shit about what's right or how things should be. Treat the world as it is instead of whining about the fantasy you think it should be. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Period.
Should I have to worry about people breaking into my house at night? No, but the reality is that can and might happen and I have to prepare for that likelihood regardless of how I think it should be. Saying I was stupid for leaving my door unlocked if I live in an area that has a lot of breakins doesn't justify a thiefs action. But it is a true statement that it would be dumb of me not to take precautions.
You are absolutely right, of course: victims aren't responsible for rape, rapists are responsible for rape.
Rape culture is a harmful myth, it has been debunked and only Religious Feminists believe in it.
@Jager66 "Rape culture is a harmful myth, it has been debunked"... in the MRA and MGTOW realm only.
@jacquesvol Nope. Rape culture has been debunked, it has been exposed as a harmful ideology. This has nothing to do with MRA's or MGTOW, it has to do with the reality of rape, just ask R. A. I. N. N. if anyone is an expert on this issue it would be them and they back up their position with logic and facts. Two things Feminists and regressive leftists are fiercely allergic too.
I agree with you but there are dangerous people all around the world you can't let your guard down, i wouldn't wear a mini skirt and a low cut top at 4 am in some club without someone escorting me and staying with me the whole time, you can't go out with barely nothing and expect a rapist or a man who's easily tempted to stay calm. You're showing off because you want to and because it looks good but some people will get the wrong idea and that's always the case. No need to try and convince everyone that it's not your fault, it's obvious but think about hoe you could've avoided it. For an example a girl with a bikini tempts more guys than a girl with a sweatshirt.
Everybody has the right to look at whoever and whatever they choose. This concept of eye control is contrary to democracy. I agree that no one ever "asks to be raped" but I will say that their are things that people can do to keep themselves safe, and no clothing is not part of that. If you tell victims that their was nothing that you could've done differently you remove the idea that they can not keep themselves safe.
When it comes to a man raping a person, we do not live in a rape culture. Even in our prisons, rapists are not accepted. Everyone agrees that rape is a horrible crime, and that rapist are horrible people. Most people, understand and believe that men can and do rape. And when a man is even accused of rape his social credibility is pretty much ruined.
On the other hand, it is the belief of many people that female rapists do not exist. That a woman can not rape a man, and that "made to penetrate" is not rape. This philosophy has it's roots in activism by the feminist movement, who wished to keep rape as a "tool of the patriarchy to suppress and mean women." Using the concept of "Every Woman" where the individual becomes a representation of the whole.
Or in other words the only rape cloture in the west is the one that feminism has created.
1. "Wearing sexy clothes does not cause rape, rapist cause rape."
There was a research a while ago where several convicted serial rapists were asked for their predator-scheme. Little clothes / clothes that are easy to rip-off were highly prefered. So while the clothes do NOT cause rape, they do invite rapists.
It's like you have the choice to look left and right before crossing the street or just walk. I personally would choose looking left and right and I would choose wearing clothes that don't make me a more likely prey
2. That picture at the end is just fear-mongering based on the 1in5 study which is utter bullshit. I read the entire 100+ pages of it.
3. Learn what confirmation bias and selective perception is. It will help you greatly understand that you are seeing and perceiving what you want to see and perceive. We humans are subjective and biased and the earlier you understand that you are, the easier you can actual try to create objective views and decisions on things.
There is no justification for rape.
That is my view as a white man. That is the normal view of white men.
There are other races that have cultures in which rape borders on being a socially accepted team sport.
This is one of the reasons why it is a monumentally stupid idea to allow such people to enter Western Civilisation.
You do realize that the unbelievably major part of the male population thinks that rape is wrong, right? The majority of men you meet aren't gonna rape you, because they know it's fucking wrong. The very miniscule part of the male population (and it's extremely small) don't give a fuck about the evil of rape and just do it anyway, even though they know it's wrong, but that's still an extremely small part of the male population. Rape culture doesn't exist, but dumb women like you who hate men continue to push an idea that it exists.
But you know what is an epidemic? A false rape accusation culture, where women are encouraged to fuck over a man's life with a false rape accusation if he does or say something the dumb bitch doesn't like. Between 8-50% of rape cases filed by women are false accusations. But many times, the man gets convicted based on the words of the bitch alone. A man actually spent 29 fucking years in jail because a stupid girl like the author of this MyTake decided to accuse him of rape, when he didn't do the crime. He spent 29 years in jail because of a vindictive and selfish bitch. What's even worse, is that women don't face consequences for false rape accusations. I could list all the other cases I know of, but I won't waste my time doing that.
You're nothing more than a man-hating bigot who juat got out of her gwnder studies class, and decided to go anon while writing this because you knew you'd get flak for your MyTake. All you are doing is scaring women away from men and basically calling men a bunch of rapey Neanderthals. Women like you are why relations between the genders are so fucked up, is because you put out bullshit that's vitriolic and makes women look line idiots. Women like you are why I honestly don't like the female half of the human race very much.
we do not live in a rape culture.
Let me guess, you just came out of gender studies lecture and think *you* got it all figured out. Well, newsflash honey, you're an idealistic ditz who doesn't know shit about the world that surrounds her. Whoever's teaching this shit to you, is equally dumb at best, and deviously malicious at worst.
Exactly. Some people don't understand how hard it is to prevent it from happening. And some do understand because they can relate.
In lebanon too there's a lot of rape from DARESH these days
They are terrorists and there very strong they kill people and hurt then in the name of GOD we want them down but there extremely strong
So it not possible to stop rape
And besides human that rapes a girl is an animal not a human coz human would never do this
I was raped when I was 17 from the ass
It was extremely painful don't recommended to girls
I wish we could find a way to stop rape
Eh I'm just going to assume that we're talking about a country like India here and not the USA, because there isn't a rape culture there in my view. You don't have incidents like what happened with the Rolling Stone @ the University of Virginia occurring in an actual rape culture. In an actual rape culture, you have media and authority figures doing everything possible to hide rape, while in the USA, you have the media doing everything it can to bring rape cases to light, both the false and true.
Oh and P. S. Sexual assault doesn't automatically equal rape. The U. S. is a huge place population wise. Of coarse there's going to semm to be a lot of pretty much anything happening due to the sheer size of the place. What matters most though is how the general public views these crimes. Last i checked, the U. S. population in general wasn't pro-rape or sympathetic to rapists. I know some feminists like to get all hot and bothered over a collection of dudes on twitter who will make some snide post about what the victim was wearing as evidence that we live in a rape culture, but until i start seeing the stats which show the majority of the population is pro rape, or at the very least sympathetic to rapists... i'm not going to buy into this idea that we live in a rape culture. Never.
@Negrodamuss
"not the USA, because there isn't a rape culture there in my view."Thee, Sir, must be joking.
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...tment_n_1834196.html
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www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...ities_b_3379156.html
"Out of every 100 instances of rape, only 7 lead to an arrest, and only 3 are referred to prosecutors" rainn.org/.../working-with-the-criminal-justice-system
When rape is called "forcing sex" or "surprise sex" many people don't consider it rape anymore.
@jacquesvol the military definitely has a problem with rape instances, which i forgot to mention. Other than that, no rape culture. If you want to believe in it, thats fine. i won't stop ya. But i don't buy it, and probably never will
@Negrodamuss The Army isn't a tiny group: 475,000 Active personnel (2016) 540,000 Reserve and National Guard personnel (2016) 1,015,000 total (2016)[3] 4,948 aircraft[4] according to Wikipedia. And then there are all the military contractors working for the MoD. No idea of their exact number but 'enough'. Not a negligible group thus.
@jacquesvol its negligible to me considering that the military doesn't even represent 1/5th of the U. S. population. And this is just the U. S. not even talking about the rest of western society. A culture of rape is when you have at least half the population of people being sympathetic towards rapists/non-chalent about prosecuting rapists. We've had this conversation before now that i remember, and i'll tell you now as i told you then. Show me proof that the majority of the U. S. population is pro-rape in one fashion or another. Beyond that im really not interested in entertaining discussion on this topic. Again, you personally can believe what you want to, but im not convinced.
@Negrodamuss A culture of rape is when rape happens frequently without consequences for the rapist. A culture of rape is when you have many people in control closing eyes on it : parents of rapists, cops, officers in the army. A culture of rape is when popular language has euphemisms for it (like 'forced sex' or 'surprise sex') and sees the victims' clothing or presence at some place as the cause or justification of rape.
Read the opinion I posted and open your eyes.
@jacquesvol if you say so jacq. Again, you're free to believe what you want
@Negrodamuss about college rapists:
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...arges_n_5500432.html
@jacquesvol Interesting that you cite R. A. I. N. N. because they clearly point out there is NO rape culture in their 16 page White House Task Force paper on the subject.
Also you are falling victim to Feminism statistical manipulation, they like to use stats to lie, here is an example done by a child very accurately and simply explaining the issue at hand, perhaps you may learn something. (pertinent part of the video starts at 0:43 sec.)
https://youtu.be/2hCUh6ZIchU?t=43s
@Jager66 I don't buy the Josh O' Brien MRA stuff: just look at his other anti women videos.
Totally lame. I doubt your professor at college said that or else he'd have gotten in trouble.
This myTake is overracting.
Of course nothing justifies it! Just ignore all the haters. People would not be disagreeing if they were victimized and no one believed them.
I remember reading a post about how women are afraid to go out at night and think that if someone's following them they'll get murdered.
... Well yeah, EVERYONE feels like that woman or otherwise.
"If a woman is breastfeeding, this is not an invitation to look at or touch her breast."
See, this is the kind of attitude that makes people not take you seriously. So you have the right to breastfeed in public, and if someone looks, that's sexual assault.
Meanwhile, we have things like male statutory rape victims paying child support, and that's all fine.
www.usatoday.com/.../
The author of this probably wouldn't think that men paying child support when they were raped is okay. "... and people need to quit acting like men are immune to sexual assault." I also think in this context she does not mean casually looking at a woman's breast if it is fully bared for feeding her child. Learing would be a more appropriate word. Men walk around half naked all the time, its still rude to stare at their bodies, especially if they aren't engaging you. She doesn't intimate that it is sexual assault.
@BambooforPanda Then can you explain what the sentence ""If a woman is breastfeeding, this is not an invitation to look at or touch her breast." has to do with rape?
@M_A_X It's part of rape culture thinking. It's the same kind of thinking as if she dresses slutty, it means I can fuck her. People should be able to feel free from harassment and violence and still be able to function normally. Fair point though. Despite my initial stance, touching or leering at a woman's breast is legally a form of sexual assault. So I can't entirely speak for what she meant. I think a lot of men get to thinking that they are being accused of being rapists for being men. Some articles are actually written like that. This one I found very balanced though as it actually avoided using "man" as rapist and "woman" as victim, for the most part. There are things that happen where men are unfairly accused or even prosecuted but this shouldn't be used as an excuse to ignore a real problem. It happens in all kinds of crimes. And if someone is unrightfully slandered with the label rapist then they have the legal grounds to sue.
@BambooforPanda Sorry, but no. Nobody is ever free from harassment or violence. You're trying to live in a perfect utopia that will never exist, but that doesn't equate to a rape culture Actually, no, no they don't have legal grounds to sue. If you're talking about suing for slander, that doesn't count if you're falsely accused of rape, because you'll still end up on a sexual predators list regardless of the verdict
@M_A_X that doesn't sound true, I think you are incorrectly referring to people who are charged of any sex related crimes going on the same sexual predator list as child molesters and rapist. There is a lot of debate about that in legal circles as to whether or not this should be reformed and how. No, people aren't ever actually free of harassment and violence, but we shouldn't condone it.
@BambooforPanda I'm also not saying we should condone it, and I really, really want to stress that our society doesn't, which is why we have lists like that.
@M_A_X You're right. Most people don't have any tolerance for it at all. But there is something fucked up going on because so many women are sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. I'm not so crazy about conceptualizing it as a rape culture either, but there are definitely some truly stupid excuses that float around. I think that rape is pretty clear cut. The people who are doing it know that they are doing something wrong. I'm not sure what I think about all the cases involving drug an alcohol, which I bet is probably most of them. This is getting a lot more rambly than I was going for. I kind of get now that your aim is to defend your rights because you think that this social movement is trying to push the law further than it already is which could end up with more bullshit-esque cases and more little women who can run around feeling like consequences don't apply to them.
@BambooforPanda Behold Feminist Logic: If I take my boob out in public to nurse, it's good and normal and healthy. If you look, that's sexual assault!
It's not that looking is sexual assault, it's that looking with a particular intent to act is. Basically if the look can be interpreted as a threat to cause an assault, that is a form of assault. It would have to be proven to have been a threat to make a conviction.
@BambooforPanda "Basically if the look can be interpreted as a threat to cause an assault, " Sooo in otherwords, any look, depending on the mood of the woman. Women need to get with reality. Either they nurse in private and no one sees their boob, or they nurse in public and grow the fuck up, because people will see their boob.
Yes, please ignore the context which completes the sentiment so that you can defend yourself from an argument that I am not making. "It would have to be proven to have been a threat to make a conviction." I don't think any looking at all is sexual assault. I think a person can expect people will look if they are nursing in public. The point is that she is not trying to get sexual attention by it.
@BambooforPanda It doesn't have to be proven in the least. Look at Emma Sulkowicz. She claimed to be violently raped, and so traumatized she was afraid to be her dorm, and burst into tears/panic attack when she saw "her rapist." Then it came out the days and weeks after the "rape" she was texting "her rapist" saying she loved him and asking to hang out, etc. It still led to her being invited to the State of the Union address, and her victim being basically ruined. All without actual evidence.
Legally it does, which is the way I've been referring to it. He wasn't convicted or reprimanded by the school and is now suing the school for letting the "art performance" happen. Things like this happen where people are accused of crimes they did not commit. It isn't right either. I just feel like - I don't know - that's still not really an excuse to look at every case a woman makes against it as feminist bullshit. Plus, its very complicated for a "victim." I don't know why there is this expectation that they will automatically act in revulsion to their attacker, because they were raped. Someone took all their power away from them. It's more likely they will do anything that he wants in a misguided attempt to stop it from happening again.
@BambooforPanda A fair amount of women, even on this site, say that getting raped would be worse than getting killed. It's a pretty fair expectation that if rape is 10% as bad as women make it out to be, that the "victim" wouldn't be chatting it up with the "rapist" again.
Fair expectation or not it just shows you don't know what its really like to be raped or assaulted. Reactions can vary widely. When someone is sexually assaulted they have been put in a situation in which they are powerless to that human being. What can you expect someone who feels powerless to do? That is the right kind of thinking. I can't imagine in a million years she would go out of her way to talk to him, but what if he was talking to her?
@BambooforPanda Well, the facebook messages show she was repeatedly messaging him, asking to hang out, saying she loved him, etc.
Yes, I don't know the full details of the specific case so I declined to make any particular judgement on it. I do know that he was not convicted of any crimes and will likely receive damages. It really seems like he didn't do anything. But like I said people get accused of crimes they don't commit. This inevitably happens. I don't disagree, people making false allegations is a mess, its damaging to the people they accuse but also to the credibility of other people who make claims of real actual sexual assaults. A lot of which aren't believed or dismissed because of the perceived relationship that she has with the person. It happened to someone I know, he locked her insider of her own van and continued for hours to try to kiss her and force himself on her while she cried and begged him to stop. No one believed her because he had a girlfriend and she had been interested in him.
@BambooforPanda
Even RAINN says there is no such thing as rape culture: “In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime”
rainn.org/.../rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape
@FakeName123 please read if you care to weight in. At the start where I say "It's part of rape culture thinking." I am trying to get across the point of the writer of the myTake. I realized at some point that my understanding of what rape culture was being used to say was wrong. I then said, " I'm not so crazy about conceptualizing it as a rape culture either, but there are definitely some truly stupid excuses that float around." I agree that this is really only a small fraction of people who commit a violent crime and not a whole cultural attitude that it is okay, but I disagree with our cultural attitude towards it on several points. For starters, there is absolutely nothing that a woman does that expressly "invites" a rapist, especially not in terms of their clothing. Its not as though covering up does anything to protect anyone from it happening. Rapist all have different tastes in the people they like to victimize, being "slutty" does not somehow qualify you as asking for it.
@BambooforPanda Actually clothes do have an impact. A while ago there were some research of people asking imprisoned rapists and what they would be looking for. "Easy clothes" were on the list quite far up right after ponytails which made it easier to grab the victim. Not to mention that I have read the 1:5 study and all 100+ pages of it. Aside from the fact it has several flaws there was one thing quite clear: There are people who are serial-victims. Saying there is nothing that a woman does that invites rapists is ridiculous and you genuinely put people into danger with bringing that mindset across. The world isn't perfect and there are sickos out there. You can't really change nor prevent the creation of sickos, but you can make sure to keep yourself reasonably safe. Doesn't matter if robbing, rape, murder, aggravated assault, etc.
@FakeName123 I mean that there is no way the victim is somehow at fault for being raped. I know that there are clothes that make it easier and their are people who are serial victims, which I think has a lot to do with the mentality of being powerless, rather than any particular way of wearing clothing. Rapists look for low willpower and low self esteem. Was that part of the study? And does this mean that yes, I should avoid wearing a ponytail so that I can't be raped? Why is it that we are even talking about them as though the victim and assailant are random people to each other? https://www.sexassault.ca/statistics.htm
80% of assailants are friends and family of the victim
Only 2 - 4% of all sexual assaults reported are false reports
80% of sexual assault incidents occur in the home
83% of disabled women will be sexual assaulted during their lifetime
@BambooforPanda If you wear those clothes or not, if you have a ponytail or not is solely up to you. Still, to say it has no impact is ridiculous, because it is plain wrong. If I go through a ghetto-area with a golden armwatch and an Amani-suit I am not asking for it as well - but I certainly increase the chance of being robbed. The world is not perfect and shit happens. How much a single person wants that to influence their freedom by focusing on more individual safety is up to them - but to outright deny that choices do have an impact is off the charts naive. Also the 2-4 false accusations is the lowest estimation. There are tons of those which go up to 40%. To me both are the extreme sides of the spectrum, but should definitely take it with a grain of salt.
@FakeName123 I don't deny that choices have an impact but I think we should be encouraging a culture that works for women to be able to have the same freedom as their male counterparts. I do live in a ghetto, I've been here going to school its the best I can afford. I dress extremely conservatively, kind of like a guy actually, and I don't wear makeup - I haven't even been here a year and I rarely go out alone, but yet twice, not once, but twice as twilight was just settling in I had two cars pull over to approach me walking not a block from my house. I understand that there are hookers around my neighbourhood but what in the actual fuck?
@BambooforPanda "for women to be able to have the same freedom as their male counterparts." Then you should actually be happy, because you are way less likely to be the victim of any major violent crime except for sexual-driven ones. Or in short: You are way safer in life than any man is.
@FakeName123 violent crimes against men and women are about equal, its just that more of the violent crimes against women are sexual violence. This page sums it up nicely I think. www.statcan.gc.ca/.../part-partie1-eng.htm#h2_7
@FakeName123 We're not way safer. I can't even concede that we're even but it might be close. And I meant in the context that men are able to dress and act sexy without having to fear being raped. Please don't compare apples to oranges. I never said that men are free from being the typical victims of any kinds of crimes but that is an entirely different subject.
@BambooforPanda
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf
Page 14. I wouldn't say 20% difference is about "equal". P. S. I am using the 2008 version, because the later ones aren't as close as extensive (probably because it was clear that certain minorities commit a lot more crimes and things like that).
@BambooforPanda Individually it is an entire different subject, but your point was about feeling safe and feeling safe revolves around all violent crimes in my book.
@BambooforPanda Yes, and it's rude to walk around half naked or breastfeed in public, very inconsiderate - however legal and allowed non the less, no matter how poor the manners are.
@FakeName123 So its safer not to wear ponytails at home because men are more likely to be murdered by strangers. I'm glad we're getting somewhere. I'm not sure if my argument sounds just as ridiculous to you or it just seems to leftist for your views. The above is a joke by the way lol. I've actually learned a lot more about this by trying to make my point and the counterpoints that you've given me. From what I know now my views have changed a bit. I still feel pretty strongly that there is something wrong with the way this issue is being looked at, and even some of the ways I was looking at it myself. For example I'm seeing both sides of the I can wear what I want in public argument as pointless on the whole because most sexual assaults occur within a dwelling and the attacker is known personally by the victim. It is much more likely for a man to be attacked out in public by a stranger than a woman. I'm still not feeling made whole on this issue though.
@BambooforPanda Sorry, but I can't agree that looking at anyone is any form of assault. It's not, even by the standards of the law.
@@M_A_X He won't end end on the list if he takes a plea bargain. Which are super common in courts, because there's no time to have most cases for anything to go to trial.
@M_A_X ! And @ opinion owner, I think OP just meant guys leering at open chests, which I think is what Bamboo said at first. I think that'd be nasty as hell to do, if a woman has a baby with her...
@CandyStripes77 Yeah my point was that in this context looking was implied to be sexual. And then I started talking about a lot of other contexts and a whole lot of other things...
@CandyStripes77 If you've met any variety of people, you know there are tons of women who would decry as "leering" what tons of other women would say is ""a glance."
They could... but nothing would happen to him unless he touched her. I've read stories from women who were stalked for months/years and went to the cops. They were told he couldn't be arrested unless he physically touched her. And like I told MAX, worse case situation, if he was arrested he could get a plea bargain.
@CandyStripes77 Both of which can ruin your career prospects--getting arrested or pleading guilty to a crime.
@CandyStripes77 So basically yeah, the idea is "It's perfectly fine to take my boob out in public, what are you, some old fashioned nut that thinks a boob out in public view is not fine? Oh and if I think you're staring your career might be ruined."
Ruin it how? You could plead to assault and battery I'm assuming. You'd have probation, but that's about it.
@CandyStripes77 And now a criminal record for a violent crime. XD
I don't know about any of the rest, but I think if someone grabbed my tit while I was nursing I would be going to jail for committing a violent crime lol. This whole argument has been guys who aren't rapist defending normal male actions against nazifeminists talking to women who aren't nazifeminists critizing rapist behaviors against normal women. Is anyone else kind of noticing this?
@BambooforPanda Probably not a good idea to commit violent crimes when you're holding a baby fyi
@M_A_X smh that was supposed to be a joke
Pretty weakass points you make, unenlighted and over-rated cliches "nothing justifies rape" (as if you have come across every possible explanation that ever existed) , "NO means NO" ( I thought no meant yes)
*** If you are a normal person, the points ii am gonna make are GONNA PISS YOU OFF, reader's discretion adviced. ***
1. Strictly biologically speaking, Rape is justified. Animals do it all the time. It helps in keeping the species alive. Aren't we all animals first and foremost? You ain't gonna stop a dog forcing himself on a bitch, are you? Why don't you extend the poor bitch the same courtesy as you would to a human?
2. Rape is something that can leave someone traumatized and being intelligent creatures we humans decided to not do it. Just like killing, or stealing, or smoking weed. But, buddy, do you notice we have an explanation 60% of times for each of these.. We have an explanation for killing , explanation for stealing, explanation for smoking weed.. People just get pissed if we have an explanation for raping , sounds fair to you? I am not saying rape is not bad, its heinous. But at least be fucking unbiased to what the other person has to say instead of coming to an ignorant conclusion for fuck's sake.
3. So now we know rape is biologically acceptable but not in humans because we consider it a bad behavior and put it in the category of killing, stealing and smoking weed. That is, its a crime.
So why do we give it so much attention? At least we have to agree we give it more attention than it deserves. It certainly deserves less attention than killing in my opinion.
The truth is rape has been feminised too much, picture rape , what do you see? What is the gender of the perpetrator and the victim. I blame this on the media AND the people. Ignorant fools, men are raped as much as women, in prisons. No one takes about their rights though.. Even if they do, thats all they do - talk. Men are still raped at the same rate in prison as they were used to.
This is victimization, women are being victimized (rape is just a medium) and everyone wanna be a hero and voice their opinion against it.
Killing isn't victimized much, you shoot someone he's dead. Raping is victimized, "Oh poor girl, someone raped her, here have a rugged blanket, this will make you feel safer."
If you read this long ass post, congratulations here's a cookie. And refuse the urge to punch me. Only making RATIONAL points here. If you think I didn't , point it out.
1. Strictly biologically speaking, murder is justified. Animals do it all the time. It helps in keeping the herd clean and orderly. 2. We have lots of explanations for rape: lust, lack of self control, frustration, controlling and dominating the other, self assertion thus. 3. Raping is victimized? Yes, If so, where's your problem?
@jacquesvol 1. That's what I said. 2. Revenge, anger and so on.. The funny thing is if someone is threatening your life and you get pushed onto your primal instinct of survival and actually kill someone in self defence, its justified. But if someone's sexually reading you to 'to the absolute point where you get pushed onto your primal instinct to reproduce and you rape someone, let alone justified. Its deemed to even consider it as a possible justification. 3. Its victimized , and it courses ourselves to show emotions. We can NEVER be unbiased when we get our feelings attached.
Society rightly considers the instinct to survive more justifying & urgent than the instinct to reproduce or to dominate.
@jacquesvol Is English even your first language? Raping can't be victimized. Rape is a verb. You can't victimize a verb.
@M_A_X My first language is Dutch. English is n°3. :)
@jacquesvol Well, that explains a lot. The fact that you didn't attempt to refute my valid point explains more as well.
"if a woman does not want to get raped then she shouldn't dress in a way that invites a rapist. Do you know what this means? It means that he thinks that if a girl wears a lowcut shirt or a miniskirt then she is asking to be raped and that is wrong because it is a justification of rape."
That's not what he meant. You know aswell as him that our formerly safe societies aren't safe any longer. There are tons of animals in our society pretending to be humans. And we are not allowed to point these animals out until it's too late. So since your society can't protect you it all comes down to you and your ability to be smart. Why walk out into the woods clothed in meat if you don't want the wolves to come near you?
If you want the animals off the streets so you can be truly free, then vote for serious politicians and not the backstabbing traitor trash you currently have in office.