Twilight vs. Fifty Shades of Grey: Was It Abuse?

Twilight vs. Fifty Shades of Grey: Was It Abuse?

Ever since the Twilight and Fifty Shades books and films came out, there has always been this simmering debate over whether both Edward Cullen and Christian Grey were abusive towards their respective partners, Bella Swan and Anastasia Steele. I think for one of them, it's hard to argue against the abuse, but for the other, it's much harder to make a clear cut case for abuse.

So what is domestic abuse? Domestic abuse, also known as spousal abuse, occurs when one person in an intimate relationship or marriage tries to dominate and control the other person. Domestic abuse that includes physical violence is called domestic violence. Domestic violence and abuse are used for one purpose and one purpose only: to gain and maintain total control over you. An abuser doesn’t “play fair.” Abusers use fear, guilt, shame, and intimidation to wear you down and keep you under his or her thumb. Your abuser may also threaten you, hurt you, or hurt those around you.

The 15 common signs of a partner who is abusive are that:

1. He pushes for quick involvement. You get pressured for an exclusive commitment almost immediately.

2. There's constant jealousy.

3. He's controlling.

4. He has very unrealistic expectations.

5. There's isolation. He tries to cut you off from family and friends, deprives you of a phone or car, or tries to prevent you from holding a job.

6. He blames others for his own mistakes.

7. He's hypersensitive.

8. He's cruel to animals and children.

9. He makes everyone else responsible for their feelings. The abuser says, "You make me angry" instead of "I'm angry."

10. His uses "playful" force during sex. He enjoys throwing you down or holding you down against your will; he finds the idea of rape exciting. He intimidates, manipulates or forces you to engage in unwanted sex acts.

11. There's verbal abuse.

12. There are rigid gender roles in the relationship. He expects you to serve, obey and remain at home.

13. He has sudden mood swings.

14. He has a past of battering.

15. He threatens violence.

Twilight vs. Fifty Shades of Grey: Was It Abuse?

The whole idea of someone dominating someone else is very much in line with what an abuser does. They seek ultimate control and submission of another person through acts of violence, fear, and emotional and physical abuse. However, nothing Christian did with Ana was without her express consent. Every act of violence or aggression towards her was first and foremost, spelled out to her verbally and/or literally in writing. Anna was sometimes shown what Christian was going to do to her and/or warned ahead of time before any hand was ever laid on her verbally and then behind it with the written stipulation that anything she didn't want to do with him, she was to inform him and he of course either never attempted the banned written items with her or would stop in the act if she requested it---all of which he did in the film.

Abusers don't stop. They don't ask permission. They don't have rules on what they will or won't do to their victims. They act without any restraint or care for their victims. There was never a moment in the film where Ana was tied up, or hit, or not allowed to leave the premises, or forced to go or stay anywhere with the Christian character against her permission or her free will. Even in the belt scene near the end, he told her, "I'm going to hit you five times," and she willingly allows him to do so, literally prostrates before him. He didn't hold her or tie her down or force her to get hit in the scene. I don't know what to tell you. If you're a person who gets pleasure from pain, and its given and received between two consenting legal adults, that's their freaky business just as what you willingly do in the bedroom is your own freaky business.

Twilight vs. Fifty Shades of Grey: Was It Abuse?

If you think about it, we could say in the case of Christian, that he is no different than two boxers in the ring. Both tell each other and/or know that the other is going to hit them and that it may very much hurt or result in scars, bruising, bleeding, etc., but both agree to the action, sign the paperwork, and then knowingly and willingly proceed. There is a reason we do not call this assault! The fine line is drawn when someone is forced into that situation and gets beat up against their will without permission given which was never the case in Fifty Shades of Grey.

Although there were many things he did in the film that would lightly suggest the actions of an abuser like showing up on her family trip unannounced, or perhaps his jealousy of other men, or trying to dictate what she wore, again most of the actions were spelled out for her quite literally in writing and he gave her several opportunities to turn them down and to say she would not willingly submit to what he was asking of her. If someone literally tells you what they want and what they are going to do and you sign up and agree to it, really that's on you. Like you can't sue the boxer after he punches you in the face and you have a black eye if you agreed to box in the first place knowing the risks.

Twilight vs. Fifty Shades of Grey: Was It Abuse?

In the case of Edward Cullen, I would have to say between the two characters, they both had massive issues. In the films prior to their marriage, Edward spent quite a bit of time trying to unsuccessfully reject Bella outright. She learned of his vampirism and the danger surrounding him and the dangers of sex with him due to his superior to human strength, which she witnessed on more than one occasion, but she still stayed with him.

He did later on become somewhat possessive of her, but one could make the argument that his possessive acts, trying to shield her from family and friends were literally for her protection because they had some psycho vampires after them who had proven to be deadly to everyone involved in their sadistic games. Still, rather than divorce herself from someone clearly a danger to herself and her family, she chose to be there despite his family disappearing, his family warnings, Edwards warnings...I mean how much can someone tell you to leave them alone or you'll possibly die before you go, hmm, yeah, sounds like a great plan???

When the two do have sex, Bella of course wakes up all bruised up. It would be very difficult to argue that that was not abuse. She somehow doesn't feel like it hurt her, which from his reaction, he clearly knows it did. He knew from his prior knowledge that he would indeed hurt her as a human who could not handle vampire strength, but he still went ahead.

From that point on Edward spends a long while trying to avoid her physically to protect her from his strength (abuse) rather than to just keep pursuing sex with her and in turn causing more injury. That's not really in league with abusers who tend to want to take control physically, emotionally, and sexually of another person regardless of their pain or desire to stop, but when you know someone didn't ask to be hurt and they end up being all bruised up--sounds like the making of a solid court case against them.

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  • 1, Anna WAS tied up at one point, even in the movie. She did *allow* herself to be tied up, but after the fact, she would have been unable to fight back if the situation had changed.

    2 "50 Shades" is quite literally a Twilight Fanfiction, originally posted on fanfiction. net. They're supposed to be similar, but with marked differences.

    3, Anna may have easily been coerced into submitting, or to put it more bluntly, she may have been literally sacred into consenting to Christian.

    4, Oh yes, abusers DO stop, if only to trick you into thinking that they will later. The play is to slowly, gradually introduce the abuse after they are done pretending to worship you. It's a push and pull of conditioning you into normalizing the abuse by making you crave the nice guy you fell for with a cycle of hot and cold. Each time you cave and stay, he turns up the heat, becomes more and more dangerous.

    I have been in an abusive relationship. He didn't try to control me. He started off taking care of me financially during a bad time, and I never even asked for his help. Then he convinced me to "take some time off to de-stress" (quit my job) and rely on him. Then he simply torn down my self trust by throwing in my face how bad I was money, and how I couldn't keep a job, and how weak I was for letting myself get stressed enough to need to quit working. He had me doubting myself so badly, that I was afraid to think for myself, and wanted him to make all of the decisions. At that point, I was believing everything he told me, following him blindly, and when he chose to violate me sexually he got me extremely drunk, and even when I was begging him to stop because he was hurting me, he managed to convince me even then that he was always that rough with me and I usually liked it, but the drunkenness was just making it feel different.

    Never once did he ever attempt to restrict or limit me, in any way. He knew that he didn't have to, because he had done such a great job of making me fear anything that he wouldn't want me to do.

    There is no "one size fits all" profile for an abuser

    • Like someone else pointed out, 50 shades is a 9 1/2 weeks "fan fiction" The lead character in that movie is even called John Gray. That's the movie it really copied.

    • @Carefuloutthere Like the author of 50 Shades herself said, it's a Twilight Fan-Fiction. The WRITTEN short story that the movie is based of off, copies the Twilight BOOKS.

    • @Carefuloutthere www.google.com/url

      One of many links to be found on Google...

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  • Except for the last point and the cruel to animals and children point ( tell tale signs of a psychopath) on your domestic abuse list it all sounds like a normal relationship and in some points are just traditional which many women like, but if you flip it around that its a woman doing all these things on the list is she a domestic abuser?
    Its sounds like you have certain feminist beliefs but because you enjoy the whole fifty shades and twilight franchises and adore the male characters you need to justify to yourself liking them despite them both being abusers of women. I suspect at the back of it all you prefer traditional sexist men. Take Edward for instance he's a 800 year old that picks up a teen for romantic sexual relations at her school and creeps on her while she sleeps, isolates her from friends and family and brings her into his group/cult. The only reason his abuses are acceptable to you is because he's a pretty boy.
    Now take Christian Grey he's a young handsome billionaire who despite being able to get any woman he wants pursues a plain jane with no money and little education (liberal arts degrees dont count) and proceeds to take advantage of her and beats her which as is often said about him that if he was a poor white trash guy with a pot belly it would be an episode of criminal minds.
    Seems that virtually everything is domestic abuse, sexual abuse or rape these days depending on how rich and attractive a guy is. If the domestic abuse list applies to your to favorite charcters then its domestic abuse, it can't be one rule for them and different for others. Perhaps you need to revaluate your core feminist values as you are clearly find domestic abusers and sexist men attractive.

    • All true. This for MHO.

    • If I have to hear the word feminism squirted out of one more mouth on GaG, I'm going to hurl. It's really time to like invent a new word because it's so overused to try an silence any woman who dares have an opinion about anything on GaG. Oh God, it must be feminism because a woman had a thought!!! As I mentioned to someone else, this is just an opinion, and it isn't set in stone and I welcome the argument for either or position on whether it's abuse or not. I'm not sure where you gleaned that I was "in love" with these characters. In fact, if you did finish the take, I mentioned that that 800 year old was dangerous and did abuse the Bella character in my opinion. I don't know how you got from that, that I loved these guys.

    • As far as the Christian character, there is a reason I used the boxing example because it's the same premise; two consenting adults agree to be hit. You don't freak out about that, you call it SPORT and it's televised around the world, yet two consenting adults in a bedroom agree that they take pleasure from pain, and all of a sudden it has to be abuse. Talk about different rules for different people. An abuser is not going to tell you what he's going to do, or stop beating you if you request it, or untie you or whatever they do with BDSM. Now if he just come in a room and started punching her around, sure but showing up unexpectedly at a gf's house, being jealous of other men, even tying someone up in foreplay... A LOT OF MEN have done those things, yet we don't consider them to be abusers. The 'rules' are all over the place except when you get to, did you consent to the actions that followed, did you say you wanted someone to stop hurting you, were you held against your will...

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  • it's like e. l. james read twilight and went, "hmm, needs more abuse".

    i have nothing against consensual bsdm; i have a few friends in the lifestyle and have even participated in it myself. however, if christian grey were not a billionaire, he'd be considered a sexual predator and people wouldn't find the story erotic.

    • Well I can only assume you are not a rich millionaire, should we consider you a sexual predator for participating in bdsm? Most people in the life aren't rich people in the Christian Grey way, they are just normal people who like sex a little bit differently then most, and I don't judge them because they like what they like. I don't want to be a part of it, but its two grown people make decisions about their own bodies. If you ask to be tied up, you consent to someone hitting you and all else, than that's on you.

  • It was abuse on the general public to produce these movies! That's the real abuse here.

  • This video is an interesting take on 50 Shades:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVyh_IM3Ik
  • Hmm, I don't think I would consider Edward and Bella's relationship abusive but definitely would see the relationship between Christian and Anastasia abusive.

    • How so?

  • 1. This could mean simple insecurity, or a problem with himself or someone else. He's looking to prove a point.

    2. This one could be due to past trauma too. Someone else gave him trust issues. He doesn't know how to move on.

    3. This needs to be defined better.

    4. Define "unrealistic."

    5. I agree with this one. Nobody should ever be shoved in the closet and strung along. That's not how healthy relationships work

    6. Unless those really are others' mistakes, and he's a Bad Luck Brian.

    7. This could be PTSD or PTED. Which doesn't make him any more guranteed to be a good partner.

    8. Misunderstood as such, or a genuine sadist? If the latter, then this should be a red flag.

    9. See my earlier point about Bad Luck Brian Syndrome.

    10. Yeah, there is such a thing as going too far.

    11. This should never happen in a relationship. And ideally, wouldn't need to ever happen anywhere.

    12. Some gender roles are nature-defined. However, there are reasonable limits to expanding the roles beyond that. And being too rigid actually does both parties more harm. If he can't see that, he's got some screws loose.

    13. That entirely depends on what he does with them. Depression and other, more serious mental disorders are pervasive today.

    14. Details matter. But if taking women to Fight Club is his thing; then yes, women should avoid him.

    15. Details matter. But if the pettiest thing sets him off in this direction, he's got an issue upstairs that needs to be dealt with long before he takes on a woman.
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    In my own spoof of this type of romance, the guy has a figurative ticking time bomb inside of him that will turn him into a literal nuclear bomb if he can't find a cure before XYZ happens. He warns her to stay away, not because he'll beat her if she doesn't... but because he won't be able to save her from the blast!

    (She absorbs the curse in the end, and she becomes the bomb, flying away to blow up somewhere safely. He reverts to normal, and feels like garbage.)

    In a gender-flipped take on this same thing, the gal turns out to be not truly human - ruining their chance of being together anyway. But they mutually agree she's too dangerous - due to her super radioactive physiology alone. They part ways on good terms. She goes off to find a hole to put herself in - one capable of absorbing her power until she's needed again.

  • The question of if Fifty Shades of Grey abusive is the question of if BDSM is abusive, and BDSM is know to be very dubious/dark sexual preferences, even with consent and some "safety rules", you can't ignore the fact that it's very violent and humiliating relationship, and from the side it's looks almost like an abusive without consent, so it's not surprising that rape fantasies are also part of BDSM. The difference between BDSM and "sportive" fighting is that in fighting both sides actively try to hit each other, while in BDSM, it's usually only one side who is hitting the other, while the other side is almost totally powerless.

    As for Twilight, well most of the time Edward Cullen truly tries to protect Bella Swan from others, and even from himself, to the point of leaving her because of it, and Edward truly lost control when they had sex for the first time, as he fear that would happen, so he didn't injure Bella on purpose, and in fact she was lucky to be alive after having sex with a vampire. Yes the gap between an male vampire and a female human strength is even more the then gap between normal male and a normal female human strength, also it's only his strength that could be dangerous, it's also the dark/monstrous side that every vampire have, even a 'Vegetarian' Vampire, who almost all he can to control it.

    tvtropes.org/.../VegetarianVampire

    • Interesting comments. Humiliating or not, is not for you or I to decide for someone else if the two persons involved in such acts consent to it, and see no problem with it. I don't think it's a wise road to take to try and decide for someone else what their sexual preferences should be or how they should act in a bedroom b/c what's to stop them or anyone else, from deciding what you're doing is wrong... as long as what they are doing is between two consenting adults agreeing to what happens between them, and there isn't fear, and unwarranted physical touch, to each their own. As disturbing as it is to say this, but even if two people share some kind of wish to have a rape fantasy... again, if you sit there and talk it through and agree to it happening and boundaries are respected, i. e., if they tell you to stop, you stop, then that's their life.

    • As for Edward Cullen... honestly, as I said, if someone literally tells you they are super strong, you've seen it, they are telling you they will absolutely hurt you and you're like, okay, let's do it... how much can we really blame him? It's like these women in bed with gangsters or mobsters who's lives they know happening being somehow surprised when crap hits the fan or they are killed by virtue of being around these people. I think if anything... knowing what he knew about himself, he should have absolutely been the one to say no, this can't happen... and he tried, but he still did it. If he were an actual human being, he would probably be carted away for abuse if the bruises were reported because saying, I knew what I was going to do, and then you did it, doesn't really make a good case as to why that individual shouldn't go to jail.

    • You know that Sadism is a Paraphilia, not to say Mental Disorder? so it's totally right to see it as an very dark/dubious/abnormal thing, those who do no want to take part in BDSM are normal/sane, and not the other way around, but I didn't say that people who take part in BDSM should be stopped, at least not before people who are smoking are stopped. Edward Cullen is dangerous not only because his Super Strength, but it's also because of his dark/vampiric side, that he strangle to control, unlike the "psycho" vampires, who are simply acting upon their vampiric whims, you need to understand how hard is for Edward to resist the temptation/control himself and how hard it's for him to distance himself from the woman he love, even if it's for her own safety, how many persons are capable/willing to do something like that in real life? also in the end of a day he is not a human/moral, but he is still quite mortal, for a vampire.

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  • Sorry but both movies promote domestic violence.

    • Then what does the success of both franchises imply? Amd why is it so popular with women?

    • @anonman32 that teenage girls love drama for twilight and for fifty shades that grannies are attracted to young billionaires who want to tie them down.

    • And you dont want to be tied down?

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  • Of course it was abusive

    Surprise that ladies actually found it "romantic"

    Then they wonder how they end up in abusive relationships trolololo

  • It was freakin consensual, let's stop being whiny bitches about these. And apart from it being consensual, it was also very stupid. These 2 works are both deplorable, low quality literature that we should not even give a second glance to. That, in my opinion, is more problematic, lol

    • Well said.

  • In the real BDSM world everything is wholly consensual, there is no unwanted coercion, or unwanted violence.
    Any depiction of abuse of power and non consensual violence is advocating criminal activity.
    In a normal master slave relationship, or sane sadist masochist relationship, the people use safe words and they are always respected, and boundaries never abused.

  • If they are having rough sex, the female will get bruised rather than the guy.

  • One was abusive and manipulative.
    The other was unintentionally manipulative.

  • "However, nothing Christian did with Ana was without her express consent."

    Clearly you didn't read the book.

    • I'm basing this off the movies, but by all means, explain how the book differs and why you think it's abuse. My opinion is not like set in stone.

    • I've read them, several times. Don't remember him doing anything without her consent.

    • @CHARismatic110 She was also blackmailed, to which she gave her consent as far as I know about it.

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  • Considering the fact that it's well known that 50 shades was twilight erotica fan fiction composed into a novel, I would say they are both abusive, but I'll speak more in Edward Cullen terms because I've read twilight. It would've been one thing to want to keep Bella safe but removing batteries from her car and telling her not too see her best friend because he's a werewolf and too dangerous is both hypocritical and abusive. He is not her father and has no control over her actions

    • I agree with this, yes. Plus he is also technically a pedophile as well. There were a lot of control issues there.

    • He is 'technically a pedophile' only by human measures, but Edward Cullen is a vampire and not human, 'forgetting' that he is an vampire is taking it out of context. Biologically Edward Cullen is eternally 17, while in years if he is 100 years old more or less, the main reason why many people don't want to go with much older person is biological, while a vampire might truly claim that "age is just a number" for him, as his body don't get less healthy and less good looking with years. If Edward Cullen was dating an middle aged woman, it would had look more odd for most people, also in case of Edward Cullen it's looks like he avoided girls, so he is very much like 17 in his personality as well, when it comes to relationship. As for Jacob Black the werewolf, it most likely that Edward Cullen don't want Bella Swan to see him out of jealousy (that is totally justified in this case) and not only because he want to keep her safe.

  • I haven't watched or read twilight, but for 50 shades it's not abuse cause Anastasia agreed to it/ allowed it to happen.

  • those movies were disgusting.

  • Women only find this abusive situations hot because the guy is specially hot or/and is a rich boy.

  • It is safe to say, that rapers are OK if they are wealthy and rich and more-or-less successful-and-good-looking, raping and hurting their female "victims". If they weren't rich and looking successful then it wouldn't be nearly the same. Human female instincts? hmmm hmmm...

    Yes, I AM generalizing... again. Can't blame me for quite some facts.
    Yes, I find that ridiculous and just stupid.
    Both films are retarded in my opinion.

  • 50 shades of grey was a fanfic based off of the Twilight series, which is why they both possess similar themes.

  • It was abuse for my eyes. I turned into a cuck upon watching those movies

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