The Problem
Our younger generation doesn't seem to have a lot of sex. This seems weird considering that we live in a generation that is more sexually covert than ever, and in a generation that frequently uses apps like Tinder & Bumble. You would think we would be swimming in sex, but the statistics show otherwise. What is holding us back?
Various Explanations
Lets start with the effect of social media/smartphones on our generation. In communication theory, we generally want to reduce conflict and uncertainty as quickly as possible in a conversation. Smartphones also give us the option of 'avoiding' conflict. When you're not entirely comfortable with a conversation in real life you might opt for another one digitally on the spot. Perhaps this has made our generation less capable of dealing with conflict, and thus when talking to a potential partner, our discomfort makes us more likely to avoid conversing with them and visit the comfort of our smartphone instead.
Okay, but what about Tinder? People who study Behavioural Economics seem to love talking about the logistics of online dating (Look at Dan Ariely for example). Most of these people seem to conclude that women become much pickier when given more dating options. Women on Tinder are more likely to stop dating and go back to considering their other options. As a result, many women stay single because they seem incapable of picking the 'one' given the illusion of choice.
Many women also wonder why men rarely approach. Why would you when there is online dating? Given these logistics its a vicious circle of failure. You can avoid conflict by dating online, but being given more choices makes it hard to find the right person.
This explains why the percentage of people dating has gone to 62% (down from 86%), but what about casual sex? Isn't that why people use Tinder to begin with? Well, when millennials do end up having sex, it is now more common for it to be done casually (like friends with benefits, one night stands, etc). These don't seem to last though, and that might be whats accounting for less sex in general.
there's also the idea that our new environment (with tech) has made parents more child-centric which is different from solely expecting children to be 'home on time for dinner'. This, according to Yamallis Diaz, a clinical assistant professor child and adolescent psychiatry at NYU Langone Medical Center, might make it harder for children to go through relationships and deal with problems on their own.
Conclusion
Smartphones are cool, but we might want to use them a bit less. When you're in a work environment, turn off notifications and sounds that might pull you away from your environment. Don't be afraid of interacting with everything around you. Also, Tinder is a waste of time.
Also, let me know if you disagree with anything or what you thought of this MyTake 😉
What Girls & Guys Said
35 53“Our younger generation doesn't seem to have a lot of sex.“
— source? Also who is “us” in this context?
Fuzzy terms used, plenty of assumptions made with no to very little factual information to back them up always make me a little wary..
Good that you'e wary.
The initial claim comes from research conducted by Jean Twenge. Here is the source
link.springer.com/.../s10508-016-0798-z
Sorry for double replying, but 'us' in this context refers to millennials. As both you and I happen to fall in that category along with most people I see on GaG.
So, actually, taking your own definition and the source you're basing yourself on into account, the term "us" predominantly refers to White American females with no college education, as for the case of men, non-whites and college graduates, sexual inactivity did actually not at all or not significantly increase vis-a-vis previous cohorts. "The increase in adult sexual inactivity between the 1960s and 1990s cohorts was larger and significant among women (from 2.3 to 5.4 %) but not among men (from 1.7 to 1.9 %). It was nonexistent among Black Americans (2.6–2.6 %, compared to a significant jump from 1.6 to 3.9 % among Whites). The increase in sexual inactivity was significant only among those without a college education (jumping from 1.7 to 4.1 %) and was nonexistent among those who attended college (2.2–2.2 %)."
Where specifically in the study are you getting that information from? I also want to remind you that this citation is completely irrelevant from the conclusion Jean Twenge makes with his study and from what i'm saying. -You're referencing reported changes between the 1960's and 1990's cohorts, thats not what millennials are. Millennials are people born between 1980's and 2000's. With that fact alone you can argue your citation as being irrelevant for the claim made. As mentioned before 'us' is simply referring to millennials. Never did I mention that it predominantly refers to White American Females, though I understand why you are asserting that.
Found your citation by the way. You're citing the ACP analysis. Thats pretty much done to isolate as many other variables as possible, so that they can look at 'age' specifically. Which continue doing in the rest of the study.
"You're referencing reported changes between the 1960's and 1990's cohorts" I see you are not familiar with academic reading.. because, YES, changes between 1960s cohorts and the 1990s cohort (WHICH IS THE MILLENIALS) had to be observed in order to come to any conclusion whatsoever. This is a comparative study after all and if you want to see how something changed you, well, have to look at how something changed. Pretty commonsensical isn't it?
"As mentioned before 'us' is simply referring to millennials. Never did I mention that it predominantly refers to White American Females, though I understand why you are asserting that. " Well if you want to refer to millennials in general you cannot base yourself off of this study because in this study the claims you are making are actually only backed for white females not in higher education -- as I have previously shown. Now obviously if only one subgroup experiences an increase in sexual activity while the other groups remain static in that sense, there will likely still be a slight overall increase in sexual activity but I'm just saying you shouldn't generalise and please be wary of the sources you use as this source actually does not back your arguments as you think it does.
Stop trying to strawman me. You're the one who hasn't been reading properly. Lets look at this quote from the study. In describing the trends in the text and tables, we will sometimes employ common labels for the generations such as the G. I. or “Greatest” generation (born 1900–1924), Silent (1925–1945), Boomers (1946–1964; some argue 1943–1960), GenX (1965–1979 or 1961–1981), Millennials (1980–1994), and iGen (1995–2012; for reviews, see Strauss & Howe, 1991; Twenge, 2014). These birth year cutoffs are arbitrary and are not necessarily justified by empirical evidence, but are useful labels for those born in certain eras. Oh wow, Millennials has been defined as 1980-1994. Trust me, I read academic literature all the time and I know what to look for.
*inactivity not activity my bad
"Stop trying to strawman me. You're the one who hasn't been reading properly. Lets look at this quote from the study. In describing the trends in the text and tables, we will sometimes employ common labels for the generations such as the G. I. or “Greatest” generation (born 1900–1924), Silent (1925–1945), Boomers (1946–1964; some argue 1943–1960), GenX (1965–1979 or 1961–1981), Millennials (1980–1994), and iGen (1995–2012; for reviews, see Strauss & Howe, 1991; Twenge, 2014). These birth year cutoffs are arbitrary and are not necessarily justified by empirical evidence, but are useful labels for those born in certain eras. Oh wow, Millennials has been defined as 1980-1994. Trust me, I read academic literature all the time and I know what to look for." You do realise that you didn't prove anything with this entire paragraph though don't you?
Yeah my apologies, I misunderstood what you meant with your citation. I'll give you that. The changes you mentioned are indeed relevant to the APC analysis within the study. My apologies, you're right on this. I have to deal with people being critical all the time and I can't always keep a coherent understanding of what it is i'm arguing against. I thought you were referring to millennials as in being born in the 1960's, my bad.
For me, it is that feminism has made women unbearable and disgraceful sluts who use men like disposable utilities and think STDs are a badge of honor. Nothing to be had which my left hand can't do better, safer and with less hassle... and that's just not enough to be bothered with.
Not all women are like that though. I've had two partners. One for 12 years and second for 4 years.
@Lish89 Irrelevant. The odds are too horrible, and even good ones bring nothing of use to the table. Think about it: 65% of marriages and 41% of first marriages (for both partners, not mix and match) end in divorce, 70% of divorces are initiated by women, 52% of those are from boredom (#eatpreylove), 60% of wives cheat, 45% of those remain married, 35% of women have genital herpes, 5%-8% of men raising kids they thought were their own are victims of paternity fraud, custody goes to women 80% of the time, men cannot get DNA test for child support without woman's permission, men can be jailed for child support, men have no right to a fair trial after #metoo and #believeher so #timesup for anything but mob justice, and on and on... for what? Something our last hand can do anyway? So we have less free time, less money and less friends? So we can have a second income with both incomes going to her? Single life means doing what we want, when we want and how we want all at half price.
Again, not EVERY woman is the same. I don't stereotype you and other men based on the few assholes I've met, so afford me the same courtsey. You live where.. the USA? Most men who feel this way are American, but I can't really judge ad I don't live in the USA, so this is just my observation. We different in different countries. I live in Canada and life isn't as brutal on men in regards to things like child support. Wow, jail? That's rough. We have an enforcement program if a guy is over $2000 in debt with support but no crazy shit like jail. We also have support guidelines so men pay fairly. For example, my ex was in University and only had to pay $40/mth as he was low income. Every woman I know makes her own way, has her own career etc. Even stay at home mom's are doing their own businesses. So maybe it's not so much the gender as it's just the lifestyle circumstances or the way they were brought up. I'm sorry you feel that way about women. I wish I could change your mind..
@Lish89 I never said every woman was the same. However, if you play the odds, you will get statistically predictable results. Also, Canada sucks. Y'all have that crazy professor that said all women should be able to kill men with impunity, and many of my fellow MGTOW have warned me of that place from their own experience as Canadian men. Oh, and about women "making their own way" (which they don't, they just get their benefits from big daddy government who takes it from men while expecting "equal" wages for unequal work), that changes nothing. We don't care about your job, we care about what it will cost us, what we will gain, and what the risks are. Period. Even if you work, we're still better off financially letting you work for yourselves by yourselves and keeping our money for ourselves with separate lives. We don't need a redundant breadwinner which comes tied to risks of alimony and losing half of ones lifetime of asset building.
Okay then.😕 Nice to know that when your a woman defending men, there are men that will not only lump you in as a generalization but will also put down your country just to sweeten the pie. Thank you.
@Lish89 I don't need a woman to defend me, I need a place where women cannot go so I can live and work in peace rather than constant fear. Your antics will not change the system that your sisters built, that women fought tooth and nail over the literal mountains of dead men to create, nor regain any lost ground for men. At best, it will lull some poor saps into complacency and then see them ripped apart like the rest of us. Oh, and your country doesn't get a free pass just because you cry out "yay! Feminism good, but sometimes going too far scares away the men!". No, it objectively sucks for men there. Period. And feminism was never a good thing, all the way back to the vote. Women getting to vote a country into wars and problems that men have to fix is not equality, it is slavery.
Whatever you want to believe is your choice buddy. Good luck in the world with your negative attitude. I choose to see the positive and will continue to do so, despite men like you trying to convince me otherwise.
@Lish89 Whatever, no skin off my hide.
On the dating app front:
Can't remember if it was Tinder or OkCupid (or both) but 80% of women swipe on 20% of the guys (and the guys were the flip of that). So - just based on match opportunities a lot of dudes are going to be up **** creek. Personally Tinder (and online outlets) have been great to set the stage before an in-person meeting - pre-qualification works both ways... so I'm very pro smart-phone driven dating - to a point. It's useful for certain things and takes time / technique to get right. That being said - it's only PART of a successful dating strategy. Takes work.
The ladies these days:
I have no idea what percentage of women are ok with these tactics but I can tell you both from personal experience and most of my male friends across age categories, false accusations, aggressive behavior, attacks on reputation, etc. are a hell of a lot more prevalent than people want to admit. Might be 5% of the women ruining it for the other 95% but it's very real. Dating has moved from the "fun" end of the spectrum further towards the "danger" zone.
The guys these days:
Have lots of male friends who have had a really hard time economically in this incredibly complex modern landscape. The younger ones are saddled with a ton of student debt. Many don't feel like they have much to offer - it's not exactly a secret that your employment / living status plays a big role in mate attraction. Paired with the issues above - that's the recipe for a de-motivated group.
Cause women are super insecure these days due to instagram so will reject a guy she likes and wants to fuck because she feels she's not good enough to avoid being rejected first so "she wins".
And if she finds a guy she likes she will sabotage things with him with her insecurities saying things like "I hope I don't disappoint you" which the guy will then realise she's a loser and lose attraction for.
Then add the fact that girls are ashamed to meet guys on tinder due to its reputation for being a hookup app and will be hesitant going home with a guy at a club in case her friends see her leave and slut shame her and you have your answer.
well my life is pretty great in that part hehe
but nice take otherwise
No wonder. You're a very cute girl.
@PrettyRegular aww thanks honey
I would like to go out with you too. I'm a nice boy.
@PrettyRegular i am sure you are and why not if the chance be
Ok. That's nice.
Would it help if they simplified the number of genders?
Correction, it's Gen Z and the younger millennials that are. Gen Z mostly.
They see what their parents and others have been doing and they realize it's hurting society.
And who says teens don't know anything?
Probably cause we don't go outside
I would bet it's in combination with the pussification of young men, technology, smart phones and people in general living sedentary lifestyles or laziness.
We are having more sex actually 👅🍆💦
Ur not a millennial.
You're not Millennial. You're Generation Z.
@Nick568 I don't consider myself a Millenial or a Generation Z. 95% of people in both of those generations are ungrateful, spoiled snowflakes. It absolutely disappoints me to have been born in this generation, because it sucks.
@Gavyn r/lewronggeneration
@Nick568 lol true
@Gavyn lol but seriously tho I agree with you in some aspects (especially the snowflake part). But honestly I don't think young people are better or worse than ever before. We have positive and negative qualities just like every generation in my opinion.
Are you guys dumb millennials are 1990s-2000’s and I am born in 2000 so I AM a millennial
The only reason is feminism. Women should not try to find different shits. Feminism, femdom and findom. Those things are the reasons men started to lost respect for women. Men became mgtow.
İf women love men, men will love women. İf omen hate them, men will not love women. Feminism is a movement of hate, discrimination and sexism against men. No one should say to me bullshit like "this is not real feminism, look at the dictionary meaning" and sort of nonsense things. It makes men more angry and men lost respect for women more and more. Just try to understand men, love men, respect men, support men's rights. Every women should be meninist to achieve equality and supporting men's rights.
Interesting
I think the real reason why we aren't having as much sex is because we are well aware of all the consequences that sex could bring in our lives
I came to a similar realization a couple years ago! Good work
When I saw the headline question, I was just thinking- "probably too busy looking at their iPhones. "
They take things too seriously. You simply need to insert penis into vagina.
Because we don't wanna get falsely accused of rape.
cause our generations has the most feminazis xD you know women that believe in patriarchy are not very likely to let any guy in their pants :D
Its alright, I give it a few more decades until the human condition in western society disintegrates and we all abandon the vast industrial metropolis, wander back into the forest, into the dark age, into simplicity, like has happened time and time again in history.
I though it was Gen z having less sex..
It is lol he tripping
Nope it started with late Gen X & Millennials and Gen Z is continuing the trend. It's been steadily declining since the 90s
It's both.