Girls, do you feel horror movies victimize women?

[Anonymous]

Ok now horror movies don't usually disturb me (I think the last 3 Saw movies were boring) so a few nights ago I watched the movie "teeth" with 2 friends that were girls (if you haven't seen it its about this teen girl that has teeth in her vagina and bites off the penises of various guys, most of which mistreated her.) The girls thought it was hilarious, I mean it was somewhat of a black comedy. But I basically sat on the couch between them with my legs crossed, cringing (the movie has graphic scenes with severed penises). The thought of loosing your penis is like a guys worst nightmare. Persoanlly, I would rather loose an arm or leg. Obviously I don't worry about toothed vaginas but the thought of some crazy girl doing that to me or some freak accident occurring freaked me out! Interestingly, a lot of reviews done by women called the film "empowering" for women, who they say are usually the victims of sexual assault in horror films. I kno people laugh when others get hurt but something about this seemed to be extremely wrong. Then I thought to myself : every time that I've seen a movie where a girl is raped or something, I never laughed or thought of the guy as a hero. But Perhaps I'm not sensitive enough to how woman feel and shouldnt get any kind of entertainment from horror films where women are assaulted. I kno the girls I hung out with are no lorena bobits but I felt it was kind of insensitive to laugh. I mean it makes me wonder if in the future if I happen to tick off the wrong girl...i don't even wanna think about it.

[Jessica1810]

Armyant: No, it's not equal because of the fact that since the dawn of time men and women have not been equal at all. Before 100 years about, women couldn't vote/read etc. So, saying that you can compare a toothed vagina with, for example, a toothed penis is not the same - making stereotypes of white people is funny, whereas making stereotypes of blacks is not because of the context.

I find it sad that the guys are thumbing me down because I'm sticking up for women.

I stick up for men in the appropriate arena. For example - guys who lose custody of their kids in a divorce, in this arena - I support men's rights. I don't at all believe in the superiority of women and I also hate reverse sexism - adverts which make men out to be total idiots make me cringe.

However, sexual violence is a very sensitive issue to a lot of women and women do not perpetrate sexual violence against men. Period. So it is a totally different context.

To LittleMissAnonymous - I agree there are some extremist and ridiculous feminists - but I've met very very few of them in comparison to how much people complain about them. To be honest, I think it's just a scapegoat for people who don't like the women's movement to complain.

Also, don't call them "Feminazis" - comparing people who support the rights of women with what Hitler did to the Jews in the second world war is bad taste and downright offensive.

Sorry, I had to reply with an answer - the comment section wasn't big enough :).

[LittleMissAnonymous]

To Jessica1810 - Your right their although I've meet some feminists there are few in comparison to the amount of people that complain about them, these people definitely try to use them as scapegoats and I have found that more and more people don't actually know what feminisim is, I know this sounds silly but you ask some people what a femisit is and they give you an answer which is usually wrong. My lecturer asked us did we find several adverts offensive because of the way they portrayed women.

[LittleMissAnonymous]

And we said that we never really thought about it but when you look at them more closely they were offensive. They also asked us what we though of page 3 girls (eg. thoose who pose naked in newspapers) we said that it was there own choice and that the women where empowered because they were confident with their bodies and also they were making a living from posing naked. But at one time these images where more offensive to women and know we think of these people as individuals rather than a mass

[Asker]

Ok, again I wouldn't get too sensitive about the feminazi thing, I mean seriously, there are women who have nazi-esque ideas about gender, plus nazi doesn't exactly have to denote mass suicide its just a term used to denote toalitarianism or rigid oppressive ideas, I meaqn Seinfield has "soup nazi", they might not be hitler(even though soime have had ideas that are even worse than the FInal Solution, WIth me, I say we don't need Mascuilinism or feminism, we only need Humanism.

[armyant]

Some moderator came to remove your duplicate posts but apparently removed the original instead of the duplicates (go planet!), so now I have to rewrite my response. See, you're upset now that feminists are likened to nazis, but in the exact same post you blatantly lie about facts: "women do not perpetrate sexual violence against men. Period." and you suggest that sexism against men is justifiable in the same way racism against white people is (which it is not). That's what fascists do.

[armyant]

You're saying it's offensive that feminists are flamed for "just standing up for women", but then give a perfect example of the twisted sexist attitude feminists have now and the reason feminism has such a bum rap. It's all noble and good while you're still saying that "feminism is about equal rights", but that's pretty much the only statement out of feminists' mouths that has anything to do with equal rights and basically everything else contradicts it like their socially unequal law proposals.

[Jessica1810]

Armyant: I have studied a little feminist theory and do not agree with all the principles, yet I have not read much sexism against men in their works. Please tell me which parts you are refering to - which claims that are sexist against men - if this is so, tell me which. About women not perpetrating sexual violence against men - how is that a lie? I realize that in a few cases women have abused minors - but rape is not reversed, which is the main if not only form of sexual violence.

[armyant]

"Rape is not reversed," what the hell are you talking about. Women do rape, https://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186020,00.html they just don't get convicted. You are just the perfect example of feminazism in that you speak of equality and supporting it but you're just a sack of lies. Your agenda isn't based on the truth -- you fabricate the truth to support your sinister agenda.

[LittleMissAnonymous]

You used the term "feminazis" and I agree with Jessica1810, don't refer to people like that they will take it offensively even if you say it as a joke, here are the real terms,

Conservative Feminism

Conservative feminism criticizes the feminism which "adopts a male model of careerism and public achievement as female goals, thereby denying women's need for intimacy, family, and children." They fear that "equality means death to the family." They oft en reject the popular feminist epigram, "the personal is political."

Liberal Feminism

Liberal feminism sees all people as equal, therefore there should be equality for all. They see sexism as dysfunctional because it deprives society of one-half of it's creative work force. Oppression exists because of our socialization process.

Radical Feminism

Radical Feminism sees the oppression of women as fundamental and the most basic form of oppression. All other forms of oppression stem from male dominance. The purpose of this oppression is to obtain psychological ego satisfaction, and strength and self-esteem.

Socialist Feminism

Socialist Feminism links women's oppression to the class structure. Sexism is a way of rewarding the working class male; it gives them control over women. Women's work is less valued because it does not produce exchangeable goods.

[Asker]

Yes, I've looked into the labels, but seriously when you ahve some women claiming that men should be extermianted or that sexual intercourse in itself is degrading to women, or that even conseual sex between married couples is rape....some people definitely deserve the label Feminazi

[LittleMissAnonymous]

Well I haven't meet anyone like that yet but when I do I wouldn't mind asking them why they feel like that. There has to be a reason for them feeling like that, maybe bad experiences such as abuse. If someone expresses these kind of views with no grounds then they won't be taken seriously. I don't think it will ever become that extreme, as no sex at all would be the end of the human race, but then again perhaps thoose with that opinion don't see it as a bad thing. lol

[Asker]

Yes, I agree, I think most people will views like these hingnegative experience with the opposite sex. if you want to read some really brutal quotes just look up up misandry on wikipedia or read the SCUM manifesto. I'm not anti-feminist at all but every movement has its radicals and insanity.

[Jessica1810]

True, I agree with LittleMissAnonymous - but I just don't like the idea of "nazi" being bandied about too easily, I guess I am sensitive about World War 2.

In honesty, it's hard to find any young women who identify as feminists these days - nevermind radical ones.

If the definition of feminism is supporting womens' rights, equal pay, campaigning against violence against women and supporting women getting into management - sign me up, I am a feminist and not ashamed to be one.

I don't even wanna talk about radical feminists because most are so irrelevant - I never even heard about one under 30.

In summary, I don't think horror films victimize women any more than any other films do - but I don't think a toothy vagina is comparable to rape, as I said before, rape is a reality and toothy vaginas are not.

However, I do think not enough young women appreciate just what women in previous generations did to get them the vote and for women's rights etc, and this does NOT mean that I hate men!

Have a nice day :).

[Asker]

I think the reason you don't see many girls labeling themselves as feminist is because it has become a radicalized word, I mean I think most people unless they are truly sexist would hold the postions you emntioned above on equality issues. Your not only rite about appreciation for womans rights leaders but throughout history woman have singifiacantly lead the way for all social change from abolitionism to child labor laws, worker's rights, the civil rights struggle...even to healthcare reform 2day.

[Asker]

"rape is a reality and toothy vaginas are not." true but there is still cases like lorena bobbit etc. plus my point is that I think the reason it ppeals to woman because I turns the table on feelings of vulnearability, but I mean y turn the tables y not just get rid of it? No human being regardless of gender should feel vulnerable about sexuality. Plus I think towards the end of the mvoie, the manin character really becomes predatory rather than defensive.

[armyant]

If you laugh at a woman's genitalia being painfully eviscerated, you're a monster. Laugh at it being being done to a man, and you're a woman.

Welcome to feminism, pick up your complimentary hypocrisy tank at aisle four.

[Asker]

Well you have to understadn that woman are used to being seen as weak and victimized where as men are used to feeling dominant, Double standards exist for a reason, Some

[armyant]

I think it's pretty sad that you defend women taking pleasure from violence against men. Sad indeed.

[Asker]

WHOA, I never defended that, I jut explained why double standards exist. I don't think any1 sshould take pleasure from the suffering of antoher human being

[Jessica1810]

I don't agree with armyant. It is possible and (sadly) not unusually for women to be raped.

To have a guy's penis bitten off by a woman with a "toothy" vagina is not common (*ahem* impossible). Therefore it is funny.

Secondly, I'm fed up of feminist bashing these days. It's become the in-thing. No, feminists are not all butch lesbians. A lot of us are young and very attractive and just believe in equal rights for women - no men hating.

Furthermore, young guys diss women far more than vice versa. My 2 cents :).

[armyant]

If men were cheering for any sexism-motivated violence against women, there would be a huge feminist outcry. Women taking pleasure in equivalent violence against men and you defending it is clearly nothing but hypocrisy.

[Asker]

Yea, I agree feminism is reall just a plank of Humanism, I don't think we need more feminism per say we need more Humanism: that is, we need a society were all people have equal opportunity to puruse happiness. You have toa dmit that there are some crazy feminazis out there though (like the ones that argue for the extermiantion of men). But most feminists are cool, I would even consider most people male adn female feminsits: meaning simply we value feminine influence on society.

[Asker]

Again, armyant, double standards exist because of a reaction to traditional suppression and degradation of women, Men have nothing to protest against, evne thought I think amny radical feminists are people that became so hurt that they are more hate-orientated than progress oriented. Same case with the civil rights movemnt, You have MLK pulling for peace and harmony among whites and blacks and Malcom X arguing for seperation and black supremacy.

[armyant]

Men have nothing to protest against? Look at the law recently? Women have superior rights to men, currently.

[Asker]

Superior? how do you figure?

[armyant]

They have every right men have but on top of that their own special privileges, like exclusion from draft, hiring quotas, biased (by modern standards) precedents in divorce and custody courts and, perhaps most astoundingly, apparently no repercussions for filing false charges of rape.

[Asker]

Idk abvout hiring quotas, custody I agree is ana rea that needs reform, As for the draft: there hasn't been one since nam and actualy many politicans including hillary clinton think woman should. False rape charges are a touchy subject. But courts have a pretty decent standard for evidence when it comes to rape cases, it owuld b hard to convict on a false testimony.

[armyant]

Well I think the law should be equal too, that doesn't mean it is and feminists certainly aren't working on achieving that. As for rape and courts' testimonial standards: "Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent

[armyant]

"of the original rape allegations were false." And obviously that's just the ones that were found out.

[LittleMissAnonymous]

Yeah I think horror films really do victimize women. Then a film like teeth comes around and reverses the whole thing to victimize men instead, that's why women find it funny. Because it reverses the role of women in a horror film and empowers them and makes men the victim. Personally I think I'm a liberal feminist, this in other words means I want equal rights for women and men, 50/50 so to speak, I don't want to go on a mad rampage chopping off guys d***s but at the same time I don't think its far girls are always the victim. I don't want to see women or men suffer at all.

[Asker]

Yea this experience it really made me think about how a lot of woman feel. Of course there's some preety crazy feminists out there. Plus I think Humanism is needed and not feminism alone (see my comments to clairfy)

[LittleMissAnonymous]

Yeah I agree with you there about some people being extremists, I study feminism in film and womens representation in films, its really interesting to study. I don't know if there will ever be true equality but your right feminism on its own isn't enough.

[Asker]

Yea, now that I think about it I really didn't ever think much about how much woman probably get offended, I mean me and my freinds are always saytin stuff like "wanna hear a joke...Women's rights" but I mean I enver meant that but still, Same case I guess with the girls I wateched it with, they just didn't understand how horrific it may seem to a guy

[Asker]

I mean I'ma hardcore lefty politcally and if white men were only allowed to vote, all liberal causes would be SOL

[LittleMissAnonymous]

One of the most interesting things I read was this (im quoting this from a book I read) "it could be argued that in british society white, masculine, heterosexual, middle class, are unmarked in the sense that they are the 'normal', the 'natural' the 'universal' where other forms are the inferior to that because they don't fit into that category and so we use other terms to describe the them eg. female pop singer, black journalist and gay comedian."

[LittleMissAnonymous]

From that you can see what I mean, the first term such as female, black and gay are made to mark them as different to the so called universal white, male, etc... sorry for the rant but I just remeber that quote from the book so vivdly

[Asker]

'i kno what you mean, labels attached to postive imply inferiority, also have you noticed there's "white trash" but no balck or brown trash?

[LittleMissAnonymous]

Yeah, I think the list would be endless lol, well I hope we answered your question or at least give you some idea ^^

[Asker]

Yea thanks for the input, I just wish the feminazis didn't give the legit feminists a bad name

[-smilewhore]

Im going to go and watch that online now. thanks =]

[Asker]

Honestly the plot wasn't bad, I just spent the whole time a little bit uneasy. its posted in parts on youtube I think.

[-smilewhore]

Ok I won't lie. its scary to see a mans reporductives being torn off. but if you watch hostal two that happens. but with horror you have to think, they have done lots they need to start getting weirder and wierder or they will lose there viewers. this was something new.

[Asker]

Yea that is true but I was more so wondering if girls are surprised when guys don't get shocked about rape scenes..etc. in the same way I thought it was disturbing my girl friends laughed.

[-smilewhore]

Well all of my friends are nerds and when rape stuff happens in moves they close there eyes. but I think thoes who a re not phased by it are because of what has happened to our socity.

[Asker]

Yea society is pretty messed up when were making movies about such severely unpleasant topics

[-smilewhore]

Yes. and I'm watching teeth right now and I feel bad that I cheer her on. maybe its also because men do make bets about nailing girls and stuff like that... and it is painfuly scaring!

[Asker]

Yea, it is cruel to make a bet on sex, but do you really think a guy deserves to get his member taken off for that? But I think that dude in the movie gets his re-attches or something if I rember rite.

[-smilewhore]

Yeah he does. ok I think the only one who deserves his little friend to be chopped off is the one who rapes. it actualy reminds me of that new device that I heard of that a girl can wear when she goes raving aand knows she will be drinking but doesn't want to have sex..

[Asker]

Yea I've heeard of that too, there's this thing in south africa like that that like has barabs that will come off on the penis and can only be surgically removed, thus allowing the rapist to be arrested at the hospital

[-smilewhore]

Yeah I'm really scared to have sex with all these new fancy technology things.

[Anonymous]

i guess the Saw movies where a bit too much of a psycho thriller for you if you prefer movies about toothy vagina's lol and I don't consider the Saw movies to be psycho thrillers in the least, so it's kinda sad if it was too intellectual for you

[Asker]

Wait what? I was only sayin that horror movies don't usually scare me but the thought of loosing a penis actually freaked me for some reason.

[armyant]

The new Saw movies don't measure up to the old ones. :(

[Asker]

Tru dat