Had this conversation with a male friend
He said that most men prefer women who haven't had many firsts over women who have experienced too much (not necessarily in the sexual aspect)
They want things that they can introduce to their partners that other men have not introduced to them (again not always sexually)
They want women who haven't been shown much (again, not sexually) in other words they want women who see the world through them... figuratively
In your experience is this true?
There's some missing context here: this is something most men WHO WANT A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP care about. I have to point that out because many men are only looking for casual sex, and other men are looking to casually date, meaning they'll be boyfriend/girlfriend for a while but they have no long-term plans beyond that. If you don't have long-term plans to be together with someone, then there's no reason to care about this, and that's where a lot of men are today.
But for "relationship men", this is important. There is a mountain of evidence that shows that women who have a limited amount of experience when they get into a serious long-term relationship/marriage are far more likely to be happy and stay in the relationship long-term. By having a lot of "firsts" with their man, a woman is far more likely to bond with him more deeply, while if she's already done everything with other men, then when she thinks about any of those things, she's likely going to be thinking about some other man, and her bond with her current man is going to be weak. And, because of the legal system being heavily biased against men, there's a HUGE cost to men when the woman walks away, especially if they were married and REALLY especially if they have kids together. In fact, that's the very reason why a lot of men are no longer interested in serious relationships: the risk of them failing is way too high and the costs are way too high.
Women with limited experience are thus FAR more valuable to "relationship men" than women who have lots of experience - and this includes both sexual and non-sexual experience. If you've already had other guys take you for a getaway weekend in the mountains, or to an aquarium, or to a tropical beach, or a concert, or out on a boat, or whatever, then nothing your new man can do will ever really be special, and he'll always be compared to the best thing some other man was able to provide, even if that man, as a whole, was much worse of a man. If your previous boyfriend could fly you first class, and your current boyfriend can only afford coach, you're probably not going to appreciate the trip as much. If he got you a front-row concert seat and meet & greet passes afterwards, and your new guy can only get seats far back, the experience will seem lesser to you. It's not your fault - women are hypergamous by nature - but it's still how women are, and men still have to deal with that reality.
This is why men strongly prefer to marry YOUNG women (late teens/early 20s), and why they have FAR less interest in serious relationships with older women who have already done everything with other men. And Feminism lies to women and tells them that men want "boss bitches" and that their degree and career and income will increase her value - but it doesn't increase her RELATIONSHIP value - it decreases it, because she wasted her youth and innocence on her career and delayed a serious relationship until her value as a relationship partner was massively diminished at 32.
I think most of the men who want innocent women are the kinds of men who don't have a lot of experience or life knowledge themselves, and would feel intimidated by women who have more than he does. So they want innocent women they can have control over, and who will, over time, be brainwashed to want only him and expect only his views, words, etc.
I prefer women who are innocent as far as what's in their hearts. No one is perfect, everyone has done something bad, but a clean heart with good intentions is super attractive. And I definitely prefer a worldly woman who knows some things I don't and can share her knowledge and bring something to the table. I imagine being with an innocent woman who is always looking to you for her queues or answers would become exhausting and probably irritating.
I think they like women in the middle like ones they can still do lots with but not someone who hasn't done anything, like people who never left their city or like don't know much about other cultures and things.. They would like someone who is adventurous and fun, just maybe not that women who is like nah I already been there 5 times already... lol
Yeah that's exactly what I got from it It can't be nice having a partner who's travelled/done everything/ had those special firsts with other people I think it's like that for us women as well
Yeah that's true :)
Any man that wants to teach/show a girl everything in life is doing so cuz they want a girl that's as close to a child as possible. It's a pedophile thing in my opinion
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!I value innocence but not in the sense on if she’s virgin or not but rather that she values sex in a more romantic/natural sense. Girls who have no self respect and like things too over the top such as degrading crap, anal, bdsm, etc. is too much for me.
Also, I very much value a simple and down to earth girl over one who is worldly into fashion and all the trends.
So, in other words, he's saying that most guys want women who they can treat like children. Women who say "Golly, you're so smart."
I prefer worldly women. Women who are adventurous and fun, who have gone places, done things, know things, and who are interesting to talk to, who aren't timid and helpless. I was never interested in innocent virgins, either.
for a long lasting relationship that won't end in cheating or divorce, that's a yes
Not sexually? sexually it what matter the most, yes men value virgin women, they are best.
I said nothing about them being a virgin.
Then they are not truly innocent, you should read the nature adores a virgin trope.
You should get your priorities straight. It's just not just virgin this virgin that
Any decent guy does yeah.
Men value innocence and purity in women and like to show them the world. When a man sees a woman's IG with a bunch pictures in exotic locations or in yachts or sportscars he will (usually correctly) assume that guys were paying for it in exchange for sexual access, making her a hoe in his mind. Experience is unattractive in women.
You just spoke directly from the Andrew tate textbook
He's not wrong about this.
Depends on the man. Sexually, I prefer a less experienced woman as she won’t be comparing me to past partners and I can teach her to be exactly the kind of sex partner I desire. In terms of maturity though…a virgin is a gamble. In terms of non sexual experience, it honestly correlates with sexual experience. A woman who has travelled the world is pretty likely to have had some sexual escapades.
basically I’m willing to wait till marriage for a virgin because I have a lot of respect for their discipline, but for a non virgin, I can still respect them, it’s just that I won’t be willing to wait till marriage. I’m fine with either, both have perks and negatives, tbh I’d even date a girl who went through a hoe phase in her teens / early 20s so long as she grew out of it by her mid 20s and smartened up. If you’re over 25 and still hoeing you’ll never be my wife
yes of course. i mean for casual dating a worldly woman is fine, but not for anything serious. sorry ladies but the answer to this question is never going to change no matter how many times you ask it
But why?
"Worldly" is an interesting term to use here. What we're really talking about is promiscuity and body count.
Here's the deal. Men who are looking to date seriously and find a life partner are turned off by women who have been promiscuous because it's an indication of character, and we know instinctively that women who are or have been promiscuous are generally a poor choice for a wife and mother to their children. That instinct has been programed into our genes through thousands of years of evolution.
Is it a double standard? Yes, but that's not men's fault. It's women's fault for not holding men to the same standard men hold women. Men should not lower their standards; women should raise theirs.
I don't want a woman that done things with other men instead of me.
About 50% of men don't value women at all.
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