Exactly what is the difference between finding women attractive vs seeing them as sex objects?
CasaNorbaGuru
Obviously when you find a woman attractive is because you obviously think she's hot enough to have sex with. So logically speaking wouldn't this count as sexual objectification?
Seeing them as sex objects = treating them like thats all they are there for
Finding them attractive = treating them like someone you find attravtive and decently
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SuccessfulHornDogMaster
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Its hard because some women aren't good for anything but sex.
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derek2017
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really wise words my brother!
SuccessfulHornDog
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@derek2017 thanks
CasaNorba
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very true, a lot of the times nowadays they aren't even good for that one thing either. luckily we are the ones that do most of the moving
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SuccessfulHornDog
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Truth
LogicBomberMaster
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A females sense of false victim hood.
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BeHappy1985Guru
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I'm getting real tired of this PC bullshit.
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TwalliMaster
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Sex objects are not viewed as people they are only seen in a sexual way. I honestly never thought of my girlfriend naked until we saw each other naked for the first time.
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bamesjond0069Guru
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Objectification is when you focus on the other person as an object. Everyone does this to some degree with everyone they interact with. Its the sign of an idiot to get upset over it. Yes in life some people will treat you as a means to and end and some will treat you as an end in and of itself. This is how dealing with other people works. When a waiter serves you lunch, they are objectified as if they are a food delivery machine. Boo hoo. When you have a random hookup, they are literally a sex toy. Thats how it works. The funny thing is its usually women who purposely set themselves up to be objectified who whine about it the most. Ie. I got fake boobs and full make up and sleep with men i dont even know their names... how dare they view me as a sex toy.
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HereIbeGuru
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If your thoughts don't go beyond using her for sex...
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sheepdipXper 6
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It comes down to the values you place on them I suppose.
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derek2017
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but you can't see her as anything else than a sexual object if you haven't met her!!
sheepdip
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I can see her as a beautiful woman. I can admire the obvious work she has put into her body - muscles like the ladies pictured have are not easily maintained or developed. I can do a lot more than just see an attractive woman and think about her sexually. What stops you from wondering about her hobbies and interests? Nothing. If I only valued the pictured women for their bodies and the sexual pleasure they could provide me then sure, I guess what you say wild make sense. But I think I would rather talk to them first or at least speculate about them.
derek2017
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come on we all know thats not true and even if it is its still physical attraction also yeah exactly my point "what stops you from wondering about her hobbies and interests?", you're basically objectifying her by doing that because you build your own image of her personality that you want her to have when you dont actually know her!
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sheepdip
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Yeah... no. I think you're putting a lot of yourself into that assumption and frankly its just sad. Women are people dude. I can look at a picture of a half naked Jason Mamoa and still value him for things other than his body just as easily as I do a scantily clad Eva Green.
sheepdip
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Derek, under your model, is there a way to not objectify someone? How vs we falsify objectification with your world view?
derek2017
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look man if you dont know her personality, how she is inside, then the only thing you know is the outside (her body) so you can't ever see her as a person or say anything of substance about her if you dont know her! A way to not objectify someone would be to go meet him/her and stop making assumptions about them, thats why "sexual objectification" is a meaningless word to me unless you know the other person! Thats also why when someone says im sexually objectifying her without me knowing her makes me wanna hit her in the face! This word is used wrong (most of the time by feminists) by saying that "you sexually objectify women" when you haven't met them! There are women who have wonderful personalities and you could never see them as a sexual object or you could at least recognize they are more than that! and there are other women that have no personality and their beliefs (ideologies, political opinions, religion etc...) drive their whole being, those you can objectify since they have no personality so the only thing they have is their body
sheepdip
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Sounds like you live in a very dark place, dude. I can look at a woman and not think about her sexually. Seriously this sounds more like an indictment of you. You're defining objectification as anything that involves an non personal interaction or even just looking at a woman. If sexual objectification is a meaningless term then why are you going on and on about it?
derek2017
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im not living in a dark place, honestly i dont even know where you got that from... and im just saying this only because we all objectify each other, a human without a personality, is beasicaly an empty shell which is an object, so this word shouldn't mean something thats bad, but something thats common, we all do it! There's nothing bad to it!
sheepdip
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"They are basically an empty shell" And you wonder why I call it dark.
derek2017
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*and when i say "we all do it" i mean both physicaly (by thinking about how pretty would be for her/him to have sex with me) and mentally (by building a false personality for the other person and assuming their character without knowing them)
sheepdip
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See I'm not building anything ; I'm speculating at best and idly curious at worst. I think you need to back up and consider what your saying.
Kelly6Master
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I think there is no difference
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CasaNorba
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that's exactly what I'm trying to prove in this question. I think sexual objectification is just a false term use by feminists to shame men for being sexually interest or attracted to women
bklynbadboy1Guru
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The way you'll treat treat them finding them attractive the respect is still there when you see them as a sex object all your focused on is sex and how to go about getting it. a lot of things can be attractive about a woman and they dont have to be sexual. Like her level of confidence or the way she talks or maybe just how she interacts with you. But when you see then as a sex object it's almost like saying there nothing else you see but that like that that moment that's her worth. Understand?
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Lauren-green
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Well put 👌🏼
bklynbadboy1
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Thank you
anametouseExplorer
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That's pretty obvious. If you see them as a sex object then getting to know them and their personality is practically non existent to you
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sonnysunshineXper 6
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This issue is not a purely male problem. Women objectify themselves and other women all the time.
I also have no sympathy for women who voluntarily go into suggestive modeling, stripping, porn or even prostitution and later claim to be “victims”. Most of these women wanted the fast buck (that most guys actually have to work for) or some sort of rebellious attention
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CasaNorba
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amen brother! let me feed you on a secret, they only see themselves as "victims" when they don't get whatever it was they were expecting out of objectifying themselves, or when they finally realize that it wasn't as easy as they thought. in conclusion, I feel no pity, remorse or sympathy for them either, they all have prostitute encoded in their DNA
Hawky_Xper 6
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Pretty simple... if you are just using them and not valuing them as a person then you've lost your way
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CasaNorba
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can't say I disagree but you will be surprised how many women out there will claim you're sexually objectifying them just because you find them attractive
Hawky_
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That's sad I think that people can't differentiate
Twenty2Guru
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When you're hot, you find them attractive. When you're ugly, you view them as sex objects.
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CasaNorba
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the fucking truth! or when you're broke and have no social status
Twenty2
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Exactly!
derek2017
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lmao!!
CT_CDMaster
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No difference
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Nadim171Yoda
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Being attractive doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sex
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CasaNorba
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... unless you're attracted to something else that person have
SmegskullYoda
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Reciprocation.
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MarketNewsXper 5
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It would but most people don't want to be that honest.
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MoneyBeetsXper 7
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Not much but probably something
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JimhflmnXper 3
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Well, both male and female minds are genetically formed to be attracted to one another. This does not mean either sex sees their opposite as a sex object. Attraction is NOT the same as sex objectivity.
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9 58Seeing them as sex objects = treating them like thats all they are there for
Finding them attractive = treating them like someone you find attravtive and decently
Its hard because some women aren't good for anything but sex.
really wise words my brother!
@derek2017 thanks
very true, a lot of the times nowadays they aren't even good for that one thing either. luckily we are the ones that do most of the moving
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A females sense of false victim hood.
I'm getting real tired of this PC bullshit.
Sex objects are not viewed as people they are only seen in a sexual way. I honestly never thought of my girlfriend naked until we saw each other naked for the first time.
Objectification is when you focus on the other person as an object. Everyone does this to some degree with everyone they interact with. Its the sign of an idiot to get upset over it. Yes in life some people will treat you as a means to and end and some will treat you as an end in and of itself. This is how dealing with other people works. When a waiter serves you lunch, they are objectified as if they are a food delivery machine. Boo hoo. When you have a random hookup, they are literally a sex toy. Thats how it works. The funny thing is its usually women who purposely set themselves up to be objectified who whine about it the most. Ie. I got fake boobs and full make up and sleep with men i dont even know their names... how dare they view me as a sex toy.
If your thoughts don't go beyond using her for sex...
It comes down to the values you place on them I suppose.
but you can't see her as anything else than a sexual object if you haven't met her!!
I can see her as a beautiful woman. I can admire the obvious work she has put into her body - muscles like the ladies pictured have are not easily maintained or developed. I can do a lot more than just see an attractive woman and think about her sexually. What stops you from wondering about her hobbies and interests? Nothing. If I only valued the pictured women for their bodies and the sexual pleasure they could provide me then sure, I guess what you say wild make sense. But I think I would rather talk to them first or at least speculate about them.
come on we all know thats not true and even if it is its still physical attraction also yeah exactly my point "what stops you from wondering about her hobbies and interests?", you're basically objectifying her by doing that because you build your own image of her personality that you want her to have when you dont actually know her!
Yeah... no. I think you're putting a lot of yourself into that assumption and frankly its just sad. Women are people dude. I can look at a picture of a half naked Jason Mamoa and still value him for things other than his body just as easily as I do a scantily clad Eva Green.
Derek, under your model, is there a way to not objectify someone? How vs we falsify objectification with your world view?
look man if you dont know her personality, how she is inside, then the only thing you know is the outside (her body) so you can't ever see her as a person or say anything of substance about her if you dont know her! A way to not objectify someone would be to go meet him/her and stop making assumptions about them, thats why "sexual objectification" is a meaningless word to me unless you know the other person! Thats also why when someone says im sexually objectifying her without me knowing her makes me wanna hit her in the face! This word is used wrong (most of the time by feminists) by saying that "you sexually objectify women" when you haven't met them! There are women who have wonderful personalities and you could never see them as a sexual object or you could at least recognize they are more than that! and there are other women that have no personality and their beliefs (ideologies, political opinions, religion etc...) drive their whole being, those you can objectify since they have no personality so the only thing they have is their body
Sounds like you live in a very dark place, dude. I can look at a woman and not think about her sexually. Seriously this sounds more like an indictment of you. You're defining objectification as anything that involves an non personal interaction or even just looking at a woman. If sexual objectification is a meaningless term then why are you going on and on about it?
im not living in a dark place, honestly i dont even know where you got that from... and im just saying this only because we all objectify each other, a human without a personality, is beasicaly an empty shell which is an object, so this word shouldn't mean something thats bad, but something thats common, we all do it! There's nothing bad to it!
"They are basically an empty shell" And you wonder why I call it dark.
*and when i say "we all do it" i mean both physicaly (by thinking about how pretty would be for her/him to have sex with me) and mentally (by building a false personality for the other person and assuming their character without knowing them)
See I'm not building anything ; I'm speculating at best and idly curious at worst. I think you need to back up and consider what your saying.
I think there is no difference
that's exactly what I'm trying to prove in this question. I think sexual objectification is just a false term use by feminists to shame men for being sexually interest or attracted to women
The way you'll treat treat them finding them attractive the respect is still there when you see them as a sex object all your focused on is sex and how to go about getting it. a lot of things can be attractive about a woman and they dont have to be sexual. Like her level of confidence or the way she talks or maybe just how she interacts with you. But when you see then as a sex object it's almost like saying there nothing else you see but that like that that moment that's her worth. Understand?
Well put 👌🏼
Thank you
That's pretty obvious. If you see them as a sex object then getting to know them and their personality is practically non existent to you
This issue is not a purely male problem. Women objectify themselves and other women all the time.
I also have no sympathy for women who voluntarily go into suggestive modeling, stripping, porn or even prostitution and later claim to be “victims”. Most of these women wanted the fast buck (that most guys actually have to work for) or some sort of rebellious attention
amen brother! let me feed you on a secret, they only see themselves as "victims" when they don't get whatever it was they were expecting out of objectifying themselves, or when they finally realize that it wasn't as easy as they thought. in conclusion, I feel no pity, remorse or sympathy for them either, they all have prostitute encoded in their DNA
Pretty simple... if you are just using them and not valuing them as a person then you've lost your way
can't say I disagree but you will be surprised how many women out there will claim you're sexually objectifying them just because you find them attractive
That's sad I think that people can't differentiate
When you're hot, you find them attractive. When you're ugly, you view them as sex objects.
the fucking truth! or when you're broke and have no social status
Exactly!
lmao!!
No difference
Being attractive doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sex
... unless you're attracted to something else that person have
Reciprocation.
It would but most people don't want to be that honest.
Not much but probably something
Well, both male and female minds are genetically formed to be attracted to one another. This does not mean either sex sees their opposite as a sex object. Attraction is NOT the same as sex objectivity.