Share your experience with different forms in the comments. Personally, I have used the pill and the ring, which I hated, and now I have the copper IUD, which I absolutely love.
i use abstinence, but if i ever have sex on a rare occasion. condoms is my birth control.
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douride2Master
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Being as I cannot conceive I have no need for any type of contraceptive.
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John_DoesntMaster
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My woman uses hot sauce and lets me finish on her salad.
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cupidkissesEditor
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None
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britpopYoda
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Implant because I could never remember to take the pill regularly
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IchewonplasticXper 5
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Self control
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Knowbetternow1Xper 6
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Vasectomies work too
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hise-DepartmenTXper 4
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Wusses use contraception.
How can you love your partner but want to deny part of your sexuality to them?
Real lovers don't kill their partner's fertility even temporarily.
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buttercupupup
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Oh yes, because love means you should bring children you aren't ready for into the world.
hise-DepartmenT
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If you love your man, you'd want to experience sex to the fullest, not interrupt it to meet your desires.
hise-DepartmenT
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If you aren't ready for them, you wouldn't have sex.
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buttercupupup
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Okay, well you can stay over their on your stupid, sexless high horse. Meanwhile, my IUD and I are going to go enjoy a night of nookie with my husband.
hise-DepartmenT
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You can't experience full intimacy with your husband because you're not trusting him with your fertility. You're holding back a part of your sex and saying he's not worthy of having your all.
hise-DepartmenT
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Just because people don't use contraception, doesn't mean the sex isn't pleasurable. Where do you get that?
hise-DepartmenT
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IUDs are abortifacients.
buttercupupup
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No, I'm saying I don't want a baby right now, and neither does he. We are making the decision that is best for us as a family unit.
hise-DepartmenT
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Yeah and it contraception failed, you'd resort to revenge by abortion.
Cool beans. Just because I'm part of a Church, doesn't mean that I agree with everything it says. The Catholic Church also teaches that if you sincerely believe a teaching of the church is not the will of God, it is your duty to go against it, and I believe bringing children into the world that you cannot properly care for is abhorrent in the eyes of God.
hise-DepartmenT
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I believe it's abhorrent and irresponsible too but don't feel the route should be contraception. I feel abstinence should be the route if you can't accept parental responsibilities of sex.
buttercupupup
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Well the Catholic Church also doesn't support sexless marriages, and neither do I, so I certainly won't be doing that.
hise-DepartmenT
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What do you mean by sexless marriages? Where they're lifelong marriages never having any sex?
buttercupupup
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Where a couple would go without sex for months or years at a time, which would be the case if your married but not ready for children.
hise-DepartmenT
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But there's non penetrative sex too. It is outdated today that fertility and pleasure should stay together and not separated?
BlondieGirl_
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Intelligent people use contraception.
samhradh_leannan
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Do you have multiple personalities or are you just obsessed with changing your mind?
hise-DepartmenT
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@buttercupupup No but you wouldn't need to separate the 2. If you don't want children, don't have sex.
hise-DepartmenT
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@BlondieGirl_ If you're so intelligent, why would you deny your partner conjugal love?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan What do you mean?
samhradh_leannan
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What do you think I mean? Do you really think I'm not going to call you on your shit? You've been talking to me for way too long to think that. "It's my duty to make sure that I'm not running low on condoms too. I'm down to 2." - You, converted condom user
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan I've never talked to you because I never heard your voice. Maybe I'm a wuss too then. Ever thought of that but I never told you that.
samhradh_leannan
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Okay, fair enough, you're a wuss. Clearly. You can't even stand by your own decisions.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan That comment could have been 3 months ago too. You don't always stand by your decisions.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan Got evidence I've worn a condom? If so, then show.
samhradh_leannan
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Of course I don't have evidence, nor do I particularly WANT evidence of anything to do with your private sex life.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan How do you know I've used them then? Why bring my private life to the board then?
samhradh_leannan
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Why do you keep telling me you use them if you don't? Are you saying you've been lying this whole time?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan So which do you think it is: Converted condom user or lying to her?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan So which do you think it is: Converted condom user or lying to you?
samhradh_leannan
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There's no way for me to know that.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan But going by your heart, which do you think it is?
samhradh_leannan
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The way the situation appears to me is that you're repeatedly changing your mind. Either that, or you've been trolling this entire time.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan Why did you bring it up here when what I told you was in private and you're the only person I told in PM? Never told anybody else that. So do you think I confided in you about it or just picked you as a target to lie to and refrain from telling others in PM about it?
samhradh_leannan
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I'm sorry, I don't think you ever told me that this was a secret. But I'm not sure why you're so concerned. You'll have a new account next week anyway.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan And if your account got hacked or deleted, you'd have a new account in about an hour too. Also, you assumed I told others about my condom usage?
samhradh_leannan
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I certainly didn't assume that it was a secret. You are very open about your strong opinions regarding birth control, as we can see above, so it never occurred to me that you wouldn't stand by your own choices.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan Contraception is a better applied term because abstinence is a form of birth control and I don't care if people use that method. Why did you call me out about it if you believe I lied to you then?
samhradh_leannan
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I don't know what to think. Are you saying you were lying?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan How do you know that the things I have strong beliefs in, are really my strong beliefs?
samhradh_leannan
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So you're lying? Is that what you're saying?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan Do you think I'd lie to you for 2 months straight nearly everyday and never mention it to anybody else? You think I'd pick just you to tell and do it in PM?
samhradh_leannan
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I have no idea. How could I know what you'd do? You're clearly capable of saying one thing one minute and something entirely different the next minute, so I have no idea what you're capable of.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan You're capable of doing likewise. People change their mind to something, then go back to their original view. Why call me out about it tho?
samhradh_leannan
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Because you're telling people that they don't really love their partner if they use contraceptives, and that's a big deal. Are you saying you don't really love your partner (s)?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan You're denying them conjugal love you not the point. Why would you tell people what I tell you in PM? That's not fair.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan You're denying them conjugal love but not the point. Why would you tell people what I tell you in PM? That's not fair.
samhradh_leannan
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What's unfair about it? I didn't know it was a secret, and I'm not under any obligation to keep our conversations private. If you're going to tell people not to do something, the fact that you actually do that thing is entirely relevant to the conversation. If you wanted me to keep our messages private, you should have asked me to, and you should have explained why.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan When people PM you, it's assumed the person knows it's private. That's why it's called private messaging. Maybe I'm a hypocrite for expecting better from others than I do for myself?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan I've been seeking sexual advice from @MlleCake about sex because she's a Christian and not a secular person. It's best to seek sex advice from a person who is of same faiths but I'm not going to expose her because I respect her and love her help. I expected same from you.
samhradh_leannan
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It's called private messaging because it's not visible to other users, not because it's assumed that you're sharing secrets. I truly didn't realize that you were sharing any information with me that you considered private. So I apologize, but at the same time, you should probably think more carefully next time before you share secrets without even specifying that it's private information.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan Why should I assume if I was told that they'd keep it a secret that they'd be lying? I trust people by default. I expect better from others than I do from myself. Also, I pick on 'atheists'. You don't call me out on that, yet do on contraception users.
samhradh_leannan
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Because they might be lying. In my case I wasn't lying, I just never promised to keep any secrets. Sorry if our signals got crossed. That's really all I have to say about that matter. I focus on contraceptives because it's a health issue and it's a topic that can derail someone's entire life. I consider it seriously irresponsible for you to discourage the use of contraceptives, especially condoms. And I think telling people that their emotions for their partner are impacted by their contraceptive decisions is manipulative on a deeper level and really crosses a line.
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan You more so called me out of it because you perceived I was hypocritical to say that view when you told people I'm a converted condom user and down to 2 condoms. You had to assume that it's true or you'd not said it.
samhradh_leannan
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I have no way of knowing what is true. But it's something that you said. Are YOU saying it's not true?
hise-DepartmenT
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@samhradh_leannan Ain't going to answer in your heart what you think it is, eh?
MlleCake
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@hise-DepartmenT, you have never had sex, been married, or had to make the decision about whether or not to have children. You do not live in the reality of the world of sexually active adults, and you simply have no basis by which to tell anyone that sex with contraception will stunt their ability to be divinely intimate. You have simply been told that to interfere with God is wrong, and that contraception is interference. This is something that YOU have taken on faith, with no personal evidence, and none of us will ever actually know for sure until we are literally dead and can't come back to tell the others what really happens. The best any of us can do is interpret ancient texts and modern knowledge in such a way as life is tolerable to us while we toil here in the life. You just have to understand that being lectured to about sex conduct by a virgin is patently ridiculous. Many of us who have become sexual adults have learned, a lot of stuff we were told is lies.
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake Doesn't mean a virgin can't know certain sexual secrets that a non-virgin doesn't. I may know certain things you don't. How do you know my virginity is the truth or that I've not had sex with my sister?
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake Maybe I nor you don't know that but I can tell by your answer that you're pro contraception now. I learned that.
MlleCake
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Actually, if you think what I feel is THAT simple, you have much yet left to learn. You have asked very deep questions, and I have honored you with deep answers that respected your moral stance on contraception, while still illuminating truths you have never considered. It is my distinct pleasure to allow you to reach your own conclusions about sexual matters simply by arming you with physiological certainties, that are neither moral nor immoral. And you have allowed the conversation to continue without insisting I debate you on moral grounds. I think that is good for you, mentally and spiritually. But out here, where you are asserting your morals are universally moral and other's aren't, I am just going to remind you that you have very little way to actually prove what you believe is true, and you lack basic facts to make moral decisions with. If virtue IS virtuous, it must be virtue in the face of Earthly knowledge, or else it's a hollow gesture.
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake Morals are subjective, even rape and murder. A person can claim they are natural instincts that are not evil or good. I'm 7th Day Adventist. How else am I supposed to think? All people attain their beliefs through what they feel is right, even 'atheists'. An 'atheist' believes in the concept that life on Earth is the only life we live. That's a religious stance between they don't know about life otherwise. That goes with ultimate moral authority. If an atheist does evil by raping 5 kids and murdering 2 people but never got caught on earth, then their justice or life was not judged because to them, after death, it's as if they were good. No moral compass to separate good from evil with rewards or punishment.
MlleCake
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NOW you are getting it. Morals ARE subjective.
hise-DepartmenT
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Any up votes?
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake Is it no wonder that a secular person wants the pleasures of sex but not the responsibilities of sex though? They do all they can do to make sure the sex has a worse chance at making a baby. Why would a casual sex woman not want a baby? Because their relationship is based solely on pleasure and not family. People who have casual sex, 1 night stands and premarital or extramarital sex almost never want to get pregnant by it. The love is not equivalent to marital sex where it's possible to want a baby.
MlleCake
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If you're genuinely curious, and not just interested in reasserting your position, I can give you many answers to those questions, but you have to dial the moralism back a few notches to let new information come in. I have shown you that when you DO cool your jets a little, I will open up the treasure box and tell you things that are facts about the human body, and let you make up your own head about what the moral implications are. And you know WHY I am willing to do that too. But some of the things you are saying are more vulgar, profane, and unholy than you know, because you lack a basis in simple, knowable facts about sex and the human body.
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake Just asking why a woman having casual sex doesn't desire a baby. Unless she has a pregnancy fetish. Okay, inform me.
hise-DepartmenT
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What's vulgar and unholy about it? It's never expected that a woman seeking casual sex is because she wants a baby. Why would a woman seeking extramarital sex want a baby? It would be more evidence to prove to her husband she cheated.
MlleCake
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Sex does more things for people than just produce babies, and people seek sex for reasons having to do with those other things. Some of them are just as holy and Godly as having a baby is. But you believe that to seek pleasure, as a human being, you are falling short of what God wants. You might be right, but you also don't have a very sophisticated or evidence-based education in all of what happens to humans, simply on a physical plane, when they engage in coitus, so it is hard to explain what other motivations people might have. Your education as a child was designed to keep you in a state of not knowing even basic, anatomical, chemical facts of the human body. That is a huge hurdle for you. You may be right in the end, but you will also always fight to understand why people make other choices than your religion dictates. You are trying to talk about this moral certainty you have, but the rest of us see that you are actually just as clueless and uninformed as an actual child.
MlleCake
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... and, that is simply something we don't respect in this world - people who moralize thinking they have all the facts already when everyone around them can see they don't. And this is essentially one of the greatest existential crises of mankind. Because of the extremity of your indoctrination into the philosophies of your church, you have been lied to and withheld facts because the people of your church believe that for you to simply know them, you will doom yourself to everlasting Hell. And maybe they weren't wrong. But they didn't give you any points of fact to debate with. Just points of faith. And on faith, our "proof" can only happen in a plane of existence that people do not experience collectively. Most humans assume the only place all questions of the divine can be fully answered is after death, and then we can't come back and tell the others what we learned after death. Of the Bible, Moses is the only individual who is said to have seen God incarnate.
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake That can be true. I can be wrong but you can be wrong too. Still though, why doesn't a woman seeking casual sex want a baby? It's because she's seeking sex in a pleasure and selfish way. Have you ever known a woman who sought casual sex and want to have a baby? Everybody who has premarital sex almost never tries for a baby. With trying for a baby, it's almost always in marital sex or long lasting relationships. Contraception gives people an incentive to have any type sex they desire because the pleasure will be separated from the fertility chances more. It doesn't mean if people in marriage use it, that they want illicit sex.
MlleCake
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And when Moses saw God, he only saw God's back, and he only got the answer to one question, and the answer was sooooooo complex that 1000s of years later we, humans, are still not sure we understand what God meant. And it only unfolds into more complexity than we can fully conceive of the more we seek certainty. That, to me, is a very powerful example. Perhaps it is, indeed, a testament to how the great deceiver has infiltrated our minds. And perhaps it is only in the unknowingness of the child's mind that we are pure enough to receive God's message. BUT that God, the one who would set up so many ways for people to go to Hell for really very normal and mundane things, the God who supposedly created our very brain chemistry to lead us astray, is NOT a God I want to follow. I might well prefer the agony of Hell to worshipping a tyrant. Because what I really know of this world is that tyrants with power make the world *horrible*.
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake If no such thing as contraception today, then people would be having less sex. You have subsequently say it would lead to more abortion too but not by default. It would lead to more abortion by choice as women don't want the baby.
MlleCake
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Or, more people would be dying in childbirth and starving to death. The bell of contraception has been rung, and it cannot now be unrung. That is not going to change because you rail against it. People can witness very bad outcomes from bearing children, very bad outcomes from relying only on abstinence as contraception, and very bad outcomes from using contraception. But conversely, people are witness to blessings that can come from each of these things too. And the Bible is more mute on this than you believe, in my experience.
hise-DepartmenT
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@MlleCake There's 27 known Bible verses against contraception. Hardly mute I'd say if it's more than 2. Generally you need 3 verses to establish a basis. Yes, withholding sex because you're anti-contraception can cause psychological and mental health problems. I know some people are more sexually inclined and have stronger passions for sex than others. You know there's 15 and 16 year olds wanting sex badly too and in countries where they must wait 18 to 21 years to have sex. So why not make an exception for them to experience their desires but make them for marital couples who have no need to perform their marital duties? The Bible also says marry you rapist. Would you advice that? It's important if you use 1 of God's texts to obey a sexual marital vow, that we can't ignore certain things. Remember there's pork eaters too. Not all of the Bible is edifying to you it seems unless it applies to today's culture. I don't get why it should be different today.
hise-DepartmenT
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Sexual pleasure is a blessing from God meant only within marital sex but that gift was never proven to meant to be solely sought after. It's just a natural pleasure that comes with sexually pleasing your husband. You may have experienced pussy licking, blowjobs, handjobs, tit fucking with your husband and potentially anal sex. I'm not sure. Excuse my language. Still none of those are of the conjugal love form of marital sex. It's of the unitive love form. Maybe God tells us that marital sex can be separated by unitive love and conjugal love. Not for me to decide. I'm telling you based on what I've seen in other less adhering churches like Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, Lutherans, etc that they allow more of that and don't teach against it. People may say that if a woman is raped that she has the moral duty to choose but that's killing a life. God establishes a bastard is better than murder.
bihwtfffXper 1
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I take Xans and Adderalls
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OliviaSotenXper 4
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I am on the pill
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DaRealEazyEXper 7
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My girlfriend has a copper iud as well
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LucyQïuXper 3
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With proper use condoms are 98% effective. So in the case where I trust my partner and he trusts me, I really don't see a point in using any other types of birth control.
(think about people who pull out! and how much trust is required to do that?) ;)
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Anonymous
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We just use the pull out method but we wouldn’t care if we got pregnant as we’re seriously considering it.
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Anonymous
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The pill and condoms
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Anonymous
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Rhythm method and so far have never had a scare.
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Anonymous
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I pull out and cum on her face.
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John_Doesnt
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Also called the Chris Brown.
Anonymous
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Pull out method.
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Anonymous
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pez and tic tacs
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Anonymous
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Being a lesbian
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DizzyDesii
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Haha i was waitin for someone to say that on my post
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39 8condoms but i want to get an IUD soon
i use abstinence, but if i ever have sex on a rare occasion. condoms is my birth control.
Being as I cannot conceive I have no need for any type of contraceptive.
My woman uses hot sauce and lets me finish on her salad.
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Implant because I could never remember to take the pill regularly
Self control
Vasectomies work too
Wusses use contraception.
How can you love your partner but want to deny part of your sexuality to them?
Real lovers don't kill their partner's fertility even temporarily.
Oh yes, because love means you should bring children you aren't ready for into the world.
If you love your man, you'd want to experience sex to the fullest, not interrupt it to meet your desires.
If you aren't ready for them, you wouldn't have sex.
Okay, well you can stay over their on your stupid, sexless high horse. Meanwhile, my IUD and I are going to go enjoy a night of nookie with my husband.
You can't experience full intimacy with your husband because you're not trusting him with your fertility. You're holding back a part of your sex and saying he's not worthy of having your all.
Just because people don't use contraception, doesn't mean the sex isn't pleasurable. Where do you get that?
IUDs are abortifacients.
No, I'm saying I don't want a baby right now, and neither does he. We are making the decision that is best for us as a family unit.
Yeah and it contraception failed, you'd resort to revenge by abortion.
purefreedom.org/.../
Only Christian sex can enjoy true unitive love.
Oh, so you're just a religious nut job. Got it. Save that shit for someone who cares.
Everybody is religious.
What's the difference between you being in control of your life and an organization setting rules for you? You go by the government's rules though.
Go somewhere else with your nonsense. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Can't answer.
You're selfish. You want to be in control of your own life. That's why.
Yup. I'm selfish, and so is my husband. Because neither of us want to just start popping out babies. And I'm fine with that.
Okay. But you see nothing wrong with it since you're a Satanist.
Actually, I'm Catholic, but think what you want.
Catholics are anti-contraception.
www.catholicamericanthinker.com/...Perversion.html
Cool beans. Just because I'm part of a Church, doesn't mean that I agree with everything it says. The Catholic Church also teaches that if you sincerely believe a teaching of the church is not the will of God, it is your duty to go against it, and I believe bringing children into the world that you cannot properly care for is abhorrent in the eyes of God.
I believe it's abhorrent and irresponsible too but don't feel the route should be contraception. I feel abstinence should be the route if you can't accept parental responsibilities of sex.
Well the Catholic Church also doesn't support sexless marriages, and neither do I, so I certainly won't be doing that.
What do you mean by sexless marriages? Where they're lifelong marriages never having any sex?
Where a couple would go without sex for months or years at a time, which would be the case if your married but not ready for children.
But there's non penetrative sex too. It is outdated today that fertility and pleasure should stay together and not separated?
Intelligent people use contraception.
Do you have multiple personalities or are you just obsessed with changing your mind?
@buttercupupup No but you wouldn't need to separate the 2. If you don't want children, don't have sex.
@BlondieGirl_ If you're so intelligent, why would you deny your partner conjugal love?
@samhradh_leannan What do you mean?
What do you think I mean? Do you really think I'm not going to call you on your shit? You've been talking to me for way too long to think that. "It's my duty to make sure that I'm not running low on condoms too. I'm down to 2." - You, converted condom user
@samhradh_leannan I've never talked to you because I never heard your voice. Maybe I'm a wuss too then. Ever thought of that but I never told you that.
Okay, fair enough, you're a wuss. Clearly. You can't even stand by your own decisions.
@samhradh_leannan That comment could have been 3 months ago too. You don't always stand by your decisions.
@samhradh_leannan Got evidence I've worn a condom? If so, then show.
Of course I don't have evidence, nor do I particularly WANT evidence of anything to do with your private sex life.
@samhradh_leannan How do you know I've used them then? Why bring my private life to the board then?
Why do you keep telling me you use them if you don't? Are you saying you've been lying this whole time?
@samhradh_leannan So which do you think it is: Converted condom user or lying to her?
@samhradh_leannan So which do you think it is: Converted condom user or lying to you?
There's no way for me to know that.
@samhradh_leannan But going by your heart, which do you think it is?
The way the situation appears to me is that you're repeatedly changing your mind. Either that, or you've been trolling this entire time.
@samhradh_leannan Why did you bring it up here when what I told you was in private and you're the only person I told in PM? Never told anybody else that. So do you think I confided in you about it or just picked you as a target to lie to and refrain from telling others in PM about it?
I'm sorry, I don't think you ever told me that this was a secret. But I'm not sure why you're so concerned. You'll have a new account next week anyway.
@samhradh_leannan And if your account got hacked or deleted, you'd have a new account in about an hour too. Also, you assumed I told others about my condom usage?
I certainly didn't assume that it was a secret. You are very open about your strong opinions regarding birth control, as we can see above, so it never occurred to me that you wouldn't stand by your own choices.
@samhradh_leannan Contraception is a better applied term because abstinence is a form of birth control and I don't care if people use that method. Why did you call me out about it if you believe I lied to you then?
I don't know what to think. Are you saying you were lying?
@samhradh_leannan How do you know that the things I have strong beliefs in, are really my strong beliefs?
So you're lying? Is that what you're saying?
@samhradh_leannan Do you think I'd lie to you for 2 months straight nearly everyday and never mention it to anybody else? You think I'd pick just you to tell and do it in PM?
I have no idea. How could I know what you'd do? You're clearly capable of saying one thing one minute and something entirely different the next minute, so I have no idea what you're capable of.
@samhradh_leannan You're capable of doing likewise. People change their mind to something, then go back to their original view. Why call me out about it tho?
Because you're telling people that they don't really love their partner if they use contraceptives, and that's a big deal. Are you saying you don't really love your partner (s)?
@samhradh_leannan You're denying them conjugal love you not the point. Why would you tell people what I tell you in PM? That's not fair.
@samhradh_leannan You're denying them conjugal love but not the point. Why would you tell people what I tell you in PM? That's not fair.
What's unfair about it? I didn't know it was a secret, and I'm not under any obligation to keep our conversations private. If you're going to tell people not to do something, the fact that you actually do that thing is entirely relevant to the conversation. If you wanted me to keep our messages private, you should have asked me to, and you should have explained why.
@samhradh_leannan When people PM you, it's assumed the person knows it's private. That's why it's called private messaging. Maybe I'm a hypocrite for expecting better from others than I do for myself?
@samhradh_leannan I've been seeking sexual advice from @MlleCake about sex because she's a Christian and not a secular person. It's best to seek sex advice from a person who is of same faiths but I'm not going to expose her because I respect her and love her help. I expected same from you.
It's called private messaging because it's not visible to other users, not because it's assumed that you're sharing secrets. I truly didn't realize that you were sharing any information with me that you considered private. So I apologize, but at the same time, you should probably think more carefully next time before you share secrets without even specifying that it's private information.
@samhradh_leannan Why should I assume if I was told that they'd keep it a secret that they'd be lying? I trust people by default. I expect better from others than I do from myself. Also, I pick on 'atheists'. You don't call me out on that, yet do on contraception users.
Because they might be lying. In my case I wasn't lying, I just never promised to keep any secrets. Sorry if our signals got crossed. That's really all I have to say about that matter. I focus on contraceptives because it's a health issue and it's a topic that can derail someone's entire life. I consider it seriously irresponsible for you to discourage the use of contraceptives, especially condoms. And I think telling people that their emotions for their partner are impacted by their contraceptive decisions is manipulative on a deeper level and really crosses a line.
@samhradh_leannan You more so called me out of it because you perceived I was hypocritical to say that view when you told people I'm a converted condom user and down to 2 condoms. You had to assume that it's true or you'd not said it.
I have no way of knowing what is true. But it's something that you said. Are YOU saying it's not true?
@samhradh_leannan Ain't going to answer in your heart what you think it is, eh?
@hise-DepartmenT, you have never had sex, been married, or had to make the decision about whether or not to have children. You do not live in the reality of the world of sexually active adults, and you simply have no basis by which to tell anyone that sex with contraception will stunt their ability to be divinely intimate. You have simply been told that to interfere with God is wrong, and that contraception is interference. This is something that YOU have taken on faith, with no personal evidence, and none of us will ever actually know for sure until we are literally dead and can't come back to tell the others what really happens. The best any of us can do is interpret ancient texts and modern knowledge in such a way as life is tolerable to us while we toil here in the life. You just have to understand that being lectured to about sex conduct by a virgin is patently ridiculous. Many of us who have become sexual adults have learned, a lot of stuff we were told is lies.
@MlleCake Doesn't mean a virgin can't know certain sexual secrets that a non-virgin doesn't. I may know certain things you don't. How do you know my virginity is the truth or that I've not had sex with my sister?
@MlleCake Maybe I nor you don't know that but I can tell by your answer that you're pro contraception now. I learned that.
Actually, if you think what I feel is THAT simple, you have much yet left to learn. You have asked very deep questions, and I have honored you with deep answers that respected your moral stance on contraception, while still illuminating truths you have never considered. It is my distinct pleasure to allow you to reach your own conclusions about sexual matters simply by arming you with physiological certainties, that are neither moral nor immoral. And you have allowed the conversation to continue without insisting I debate you on moral grounds. I think that is good for you, mentally and spiritually. But out here, where you are asserting your morals are universally moral and other's aren't, I am just going to remind you that you have very little way to actually prove what you believe is true, and you lack basic facts to make moral decisions with. If virtue IS virtuous, it must be virtue in the face of Earthly knowledge, or else it's a hollow gesture.
@MlleCake Morals are subjective, even rape and murder. A person can claim they are natural instincts that are not evil or good. I'm 7th Day Adventist. How else am I supposed to think? All people attain their beliefs through what they feel is right, even 'atheists'. An 'atheist' believes in the concept that life on Earth is the only life we live. That's a religious stance between they don't know about life otherwise. That goes with ultimate moral authority. If an atheist does evil by raping 5 kids and murdering 2 people but never got caught on earth, then their justice or life was not judged because to them, after death, it's as if they were good. No moral compass to separate good from evil with rewards or punishment.
NOW you are getting it. Morals ARE subjective.
Any up votes?
@MlleCake Is it no wonder that a secular person wants the pleasures of sex but not the responsibilities of sex though? They do all they can do to make sure the sex has a worse chance at making a baby. Why would a casual sex woman not want a baby? Because their relationship is based solely on pleasure and not family. People who have casual sex, 1 night stands and premarital or extramarital sex almost never want to get pregnant by it. The love is not equivalent to marital sex where it's possible to want a baby.
If you're genuinely curious, and not just interested in reasserting your position, I can give you many answers to those questions, but you have to dial the moralism back a few notches to let new information come in. I have shown you that when you DO cool your jets a little, I will open up the treasure box and tell you things that are facts about the human body, and let you make up your own head about what the moral implications are. And you know WHY I am willing to do that too. But some of the things you are saying are more vulgar, profane, and unholy than you know, because you lack a basis in simple, knowable facts about sex and the human body.
@MlleCake Just asking why a woman having casual sex doesn't desire a baby. Unless she has a pregnancy fetish. Okay, inform me.
What's vulgar and unholy about it? It's never expected that a woman seeking casual sex is because she wants a baby. Why would a woman seeking extramarital sex want a baby? It would be more evidence to prove to her husband she cheated.
Sex does more things for people than just produce babies, and people seek sex for reasons having to do with those other things. Some of them are just as holy and Godly as having a baby is. But you believe that to seek pleasure, as a human being, you are falling short of what God wants. You might be right, but you also don't have a very sophisticated or evidence-based education in all of what happens to humans, simply on a physical plane, when they engage in coitus, so it is hard to explain what other motivations people might have. Your education as a child was designed to keep you in a state of not knowing even basic, anatomical, chemical facts of the human body. That is a huge hurdle for you. You may be right in the end, but you will also always fight to understand why people make other choices than your religion dictates. You are trying to talk about this moral certainty you have, but the rest of us see that you are actually just as clueless and uninformed as an actual child.
... and, that is simply something we don't respect in this world - people who moralize thinking they have all the facts already when everyone around them can see they don't. And this is essentially one of the greatest existential crises of mankind. Because of the extremity of your indoctrination into the philosophies of your church, you have been lied to and withheld facts because the people of your church believe that for you to simply know them, you will doom yourself to everlasting Hell. And maybe they weren't wrong. But they didn't give you any points of fact to debate with. Just points of faith. And on faith, our "proof" can only happen in a plane of existence that people do not experience collectively. Most humans assume the only place all questions of the divine can be fully answered is after death, and then we can't come back and tell the others what we learned after death. Of the Bible, Moses is the only individual who is said to have seen God incarnate.
@MlleCake That can be true. I can be wrong but you can be wrong too. Still though, why doesn't a woman seeking casual sex want a baby? It's because she's seeking sex in a pleasure and selfish way. Have you ever known a woman who sought casual sex and want to have a baby? Everybody who has premarital sex almost never tries for a baby. With trying for a baby, it's almost always in marital sex or long lasting relationships. Contraception gives people an incentive to have any type sex they desire because the pleasure will be separated from the fertility chances more. It doesn't mean if people in marriage use it, that they want illicit sex.
And when Moses saw God, he only saw God's back, and he only got the answer to one question, and the answer was sooooooo complex that 1000s of years later we, humans, are still not sure we understand what God meant. And it only unfolds into more complexity than we can fully conceive of the more we seek certainty. That, to me, is a very powerful example. Perhaps it is, indeed, a testament to how the great deceiver has infiltrated our minds. And perhaps it is only in the unknowingness of the child's mind that we are pure enough to receive God's message. BUT that God, the one who would set up so many ways for people to go to Hell for really very normal and mundane things, the God who supposedly created our very brain chemistry to lead us astray, is NOT a God I want to follow. I might well prefer the agony of Hell to worshipping a tyrant. Because what I really know of this world is that tyrants with power make the world *horrible*.
@MlleCake If no such thing as contraception today, then people would be having less sex. You have subsequently say it would lead to more abortion too but not by default. It would lead to more abortion by choice as women don't want the baby.
Or, more people would be dying in childbirth and starving to death. The bell of contraception has been rung, and it cannot now be unrung. That is not going to change because you rail against it. People can witness very bad outcomes from bearing children, very bad outcomes from relying only on abstinence as contraception, and very bad outcomes from using contraception. But conversely, people are witness to blessings that can come from each of these things too. And the Bible is more mute on this than you believe, in my experience.
@MlleCake There's 27 known Bible verses against contraception. Hardly mute I'd say if it's more than 2. Generally you need 3 verses to establish a basis. Yes, withholding sex because you're anti-contraception can cause psychological and mental health problems. I know some people are more sexually inclined and have stronger passions for sex than others. You know there's 15 and 16 year olds wanting sex badly too and in countries where they must wait 18 to 21 years to have sex. So why not make an exception for them to experience their desires but make them for marital couples who have no need to perform their marital duties? The Bible also says marry you rapist. Would you advice that? It's important if you use 1 of God's texts to obey a sexual marital vow, that we can't ignore certain things. Remember there's pork eaters too. Not all of the Bible is edifying to you it seems unless it applies to today's culture. I don't get why it should be different today.
Sexual pleasure is a blessing from God meant only within marital sex but that gift was never proven to meant to be solely sought after. It's just a natural pleasure that comes with sexually pleasing your husband. You may have experienced pussy licking, blowjobs, handjobs, tit fucking with your husband and potentially anal sex. I'm not sure. Excuse my language. Still none of those are of the conjugal love form of marital sex. It's of the unitive love form. Maybe God tells us that marital sex can be separated by unitive love and conjugal love. Not for me to decide. I'm telling you based on what I've seen in other less adhering churches like Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, Lutherans, etc that they allow more of that and don't teach against it. People may say that if a woman is raped that she has the moral duty to choose but that's killing a life. God establishes a bastard is better than murder.
I take Xans and Adderalls
I am on the pill
My girlfriend has a copper iud as well
With proper use condoms are 98% effective. So in the case where I trust my partner and he trusts me, I really don't see a point in using any other types of birth control.
(think about people who pull out! and how much trust is required to do that?) ;)
We just use the pull out method but we wouldn’t care if we got pregnant as we’re seriously considering it.
The pill and condoms
Rhythm method and so far have never had a scare.
I pull out and cum on her face.
Also called the Chris Brown.
Pull out method.
pez and tic tacs
Being a lesbian
Haha i was waitin for someone to say that on my post