Sexual Relationships 
Sexual Health Anyone else notice that nice guys tend to be really creepy?
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I've been fanscinated with these "Nice guys finish last" kind of guys, and want to see if their cries are true. Not only have I realized they're assholes too, they tend to say creepy stuff too. And if they say stuff equally creepy off-line, it's a no-brainer that they're single. They especially show their creepiness when talking about rape, abuse, or murder: "You prefer an honest asshole over a dishonest nice guy? Then by your mentality, you prefer rapists because they're honest." "It's not fair that rapists and murderers have girlfriends while nice guys like us are single" "In this feminist world, no wonder why you have guys like Adam Lanza." "R. I. P. Elliot Rodgors, we know why you did it!" "When she got abused, I wanted to say "I told you so" but..." "I fucking hate single moms. They're leeches of society." Am I the only one whose spine shivers when reading those? Of course, this is just what they say online. I've talked to plenty of guys were really nice to me, but fall in love with me too quick and/or look creepy (they don't bathe, they don't groom themselves properly, they look homeless, ect). I'm not going to risk having my skin worn as a suit because some people think I'm obligated to "give a guy a chance".
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18 33I kind of take offense to that.
I think i am a mix of nice guy (respectable behavior with women) and a bit an asshole too...
But i don't complain about anything... LOL
So i don't know what you are taking about!!
yes, they always sound really creepy to me, and they do lots of fake romance stuff.
Yup but it is just from their lack of confidence... also the guys with a lot of confidence running around asking you to have sex in their van for a free puppy and some candy is also not cool
yes specially
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ahah but no, my vote was no.
Psh, total liessssss.
I'm not nice lol
Hahaa xD
Haha!!! I'm glad I consider myself a good guy rather than a nice guy ;)
Yes! My creep game is strong!
I dont know if I'm creepy or not but I'm a good guy but I can tell a girl off when she's being a bitch personally. Just because you are nice or a "good man" doesn't mean women are gonna wanna fuck you bro, it don't work that way
The problem is guys aren't taught how to attract women or approach women. We pretty much assumed we have to tone back our personalities to make sure a girl merely 'likes' us, instead of going all out, no filters and risk her absolutely hating us.
And lets be honest. I highly doubt anyone who's ever said 90% of those things truly means it. I never even heard 90% of those phrases even spoken so I don't know who you're attracting into your life.
Yeah. I agree with pretty much everything you said.
The cursed day when being nice guy became a crime.
so their game is to trick a girl into believing they are nice and then they reveal themselves as creeps when their true self surface out and they feel entitled
meh..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWhvBAnIA1Athese guys are losers, get over it.
Anonymous QA, you are TOTALLY confused and have no idea what you're talking about! It's understandable! You are a young woman! Unless you're very fat or ugly, you've enjoyed unearned, automatic, broad acceptance by the opposite sex all your adult life! Any half decent looking woman is accepted just for existing! Guys don't have it like that!
Men don't just start out being bitter for no reason! Men can't just wait around and get approached the way women can! Men have no choice but to reach out and approach women! Men have to take ALL the risk of initial rejection! Men get rejected by women a lot! Men can be rejected for any reason or even NO REASON AT ALL!
Most women don't have to face rejection at all! That's why you don't know what you are talking about! Try to put yourself in the shoes of a man who has reached out many times with kindness and proper respect and suffered A LOT OF REJECTIONS AND FRIEND ZONE TREATMENT! This is how actual nice guys become bitter! This is how actual nice guys STOP BEING NICE! These are the people you are talking about!
I wish you could go through the pain and suffering that made these guys bitter! But apparently, all you know is the entitled, female privilege of being widely accepted and wanted just because you exist! Check your luxury and privilege!
Oh stop with the whole "Boo-hoo I have a penis" pity-party. If you can't even handle rejection you clearly won't be able to handle a break-up, which usually happens in a first relationship. They're bitter because theyre not mature enough to handle the realities of dating and wish they could live in fantasyland. COME BACK TO REALITY, WOMEN DO ASK GUYS OUT, THEY FACE REJECTION, THEY JUST DONT BITCH ABOUT IT. And for your information, I DID GET FRIENDZONED! But guess what? I wasn't bitter about it AND I RESPECTED HIS DECISION. But you have the NERVE to tell me that a grown ass man doesn't the decency to respect someone else and move on with his life?
Your answer basically confirms everything I said! Women don't face anything approaching the kind of rejections men face! For you to spout your entitled, privileged female nonsense about men being supposedly immature is pure foolishness! It's not unusual for a man can reach out a dozen times and get nothing but rejections or the friend zone. A woman gets rejected ONE time and suddenly she thinks it's all even! YOU ARE TOTALLY DELUSIONAL! Even today in these supposedly progressive times, women hardly ever ask guys out! Women asking guys out is the EXCEPTION, not the rule! Women do face getting humped and dumped! That's nowhere near as bad as repeated initial rejections! With a breakup, the woman knows she was accepted and wanted for at least part of the relationship. She also knows she is widely accepted by the opposite sex just for existing! A man who faces a string of rejections has no upside to it! YOU SHOULD BE HONEST AND CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
"Women asking guys out is the EXCEPTION, not the rule!" And yet somehow those women are still more mature than you men? THAT'S SAD. "That's nowhere near as bad as repeated initial rejections" All I hear is: BOO-HOO BOO-HOO I have a penis feel sorry for me. If you're going to be a a little bitch about it, stop trying to date people. "It's not unusual for a man can reach out a dozen times and get nothing but rejections or the friend zone. " The definition of insanity us doing the same thing and expecting doing results. "A man who faces a string of rejections has no upside to it! " THEN STOP ASKING WOMEN OUT, YOU GIANT ASS BABY!
Your childish tantrum changes nothing! You are just one more spoiled, overgrown child-woman pretending to be mature and wise! It's very sad! You can pull silly tantrums as much as you like! The reality remains! Any half decent looking woman benefits from unearned, automatic acceptance by the opposite sex just for existing. Women don't have to be interesting, funny, exciting or have any personality at all! Men must actively EARN acceptance by the opposite sex! While women get to just sit on their butts and judge! That's not sexism! It's REALITY! Most women don't grow up until they begin to approach the wall of middle age! Then, they finally learn REALITY! Then they start to learn their automatic, unearned acceptance by the opposite sex is NOT forever! Even entitled, female brats are eventually forced to deal with REALITY! Who the hell are you to even talk about maturity? CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
"The reality remains! " By reality you mean the world you created in your head. Don't worry, Elliot Rodger also had that problem. " Women don't have to be interesting, funny, exciting or have any personality at all! " Either you only hang around shallow men or you don't know what men what at all. But since you live in Elliot Rodger land, I'll leave you alone.
Even the question you asked is just you on your high horse trying to pass judgement on men! And you can keep your Elliot Rodger fantasies to yourself! Your silly tantrums change NOTHING!
If you haven't noticed, there are men on here who agree with me that guys like that are creepy and psycho.
If YOU haven't noticed, there are men AND women on here who don't agree with you! Your problem is simple ignorance compounded by unearned female privilege that went to your head! Listening to you, any man who chooses to kind and respectful to women is automatically classified as "creepy"! And even the very bitter men who made the negative statements you cited DID NOT START OUT BITTER! Obviously, it's not possible for you to understand how they got that way! That would require genuine empathy, humility and serious wisdom. If you had either, you would never have posted a question built on such biased assumption! You talk about nice guys being creepy yet YOU say: "I'm not going to risk having my skin worn as a suit because some people think I'm obligated to 'give a guy a chance'." I'm sorry but YOU saying that seems REALLY CREEPY to me! You equate being a nice guy with being a murderer... who will kill you and wear your skin as a suit! And YOU are calling men creepy? WOW!!!
It's almost funny that you see nice guys as “creepy” murderers! Men who are ACTUAL murderers seem to do very well with women. Google “marrying murderers” or “prison weddings” and youl'll find many articles about women who CHOOSE real convicted murderers! I pasted a bit of one here. Quote: Men serving time for some of the most notoriously heinous crimes apparently have enough sex appeal to turn death row into a sort of lovers' lane. Kenneth Bianchi and cousin Angelo Buono, dubbed the Hillside Stranglers for the murders of 10 girls in the Los Angeles area in the late 1970s, both married while in prison. Serial killers John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy both had committed relationships with women before they were put to death. "Night Stalker" Richard Ramirez, awaiting execution for a string of brutal murders in California in 1985, married a pen pal in 1996. Erik and Lyle Menendez, who are serving life sentences for the 1989 murders of their parents, both married after being incarcerated.
-continued- Erik Menendez recently celebrated his sixth wedding anniversary with a woman he began corresponding after his conviction. Lyle Menendez married pen pal Anna Eriksson in 1997. The couple split up after about a year, but he then married another correspondent in a prison ceremony in 2003. (End Quote). So if Elliot Rodger hadn't killed himself, many women would have suddenly become interested in him BECAUSE he was a murderer! And you say nice guys are “creepy”! Hey pot, meet kettle! The whole idea of GAG is for men and women to learn about their opposite points of view! But you have fallen into the privileged, entitled female pattern of self appointed judge over men! You need to get over your make-believe pretense of superiority! It makes you look foolish... and "creepy"!
Wow, I didn't the last comments you wrote. lol "And you say nice guys are “creepy”!" So just because there are creepy women that excuses men to be creepy? "But you have fallen into the privileged, entitled female pattern of self appointed judge over men!" 1). I never said most guys are nice guys. In fact most guys are far better off than nice guys when it comes to dating/relationships. 2). Nice guys are actually the ones who are privileged, entitled male pattern and self appointed judge over women. All you nice guys ever talk about is how the general population of women fuck "undeserving assholes", but I've realized you nice guys always a double standard on women. You can be judgmental of women but if women are judgement of you, "she's the bad guy". "Erik Menendez recently celebrated his sixth wedding anniversary with a woman he began corresponding after his conviction." So you're judging all women on the actions of the few, but you're not a self-appointed judge over women?
"If YOU haven't noticed, there are men AND women on here who don't agree with you!" There were no women who disagreed with me. They just didn't know the kind of person I'm talking about. The guys who disagree with me, like you, tend to show "Nice guy" qualities. "The whole idea of GAG is for men and women to learn about their opposite points of view!" You understand the views of the opposite gender even less than I do. You just implied women are in love with murderers. "any man who chooses to kind and respectful to women is automatically classified as "creepy"" No one ever said that, you must have been listening to the Elliot that lives in your head.
In the wall of text you posted, there is nothing to disprove any of the points I made. Whether you like it or not, the conduct of many, many women created the familiar, FAMOUS pattern of women wasting their prime youth years chasing and screwing a string of uncaring asshole men. As the pattern goes, when these women approach the wall of middle age and biology clock alarms, SUDDENLY they look for a financially stable nice guy as a marriage target! Then when they have trouble finding a willing dupe, they have the gall to complain, "What happened to all the nice guys? "It's pathetic! All you're doing is trying to justify bad female choices by calling nice guys "creepy"! It might be better if you concentrated on developing the maturity needed to avoid the FAMOUS female pattern indicated! In other words, GROW UP!
Sir, you're 45+ years old and you still think like a sexually frustrated 13 year old boy. The one who needs to grow up is you. By your age, most men have found a competent woman to settle down with and make a family with. Actually I am disproving proving you by pointing out your hypocrisy, thus destroying your argument. Maybe you don't know this, but you can't condemn people for doing the same thing you're doing. "many women created the familiar, FAMOUS pattern of women" Again, you cannot deem someone unfairly-judgmental when you're being unfairly-judgmental. There's also FAMOUS pattern of men violent raping and murdering women and children (and sometimes men), but I'm sure you don't want to be label as such. Or perhaps you do, because you've shown me that you're mentally ill and possibly need medication.
You have no legitimate point! All you are doing is throwing a childish tantrum! Give it up! No matter how much you cry about it, reality doesn't care! Get over it!
Not all nice guys are nice.
I do like murder in books, movies and TV I have talked about it or remember details I am nice probably say creepy stuff too this article messed me up don't know what to do
Not all nice guys are creepy
All the nice guys have left the best site by now so your stuck with the poeple pretending to be nice. The best people left at the start of summer.
Enough of this. Can we stop pretending GAG has died or something because a few old members left? It's really condescending to current members.
I've never heard any guy try to defend Elliot Roger or any other psycho like that.
The first quote is just twisted logic, and I haven't heard that one either.
I understand the quote about being annoyed that murderers have dates or about how they could see that the person would get abused as you have to remember these are incredibly frustrated people who've been shat on by society. To an extent, they have a point with those. Terrible people have something they want, and it makes them frustrated. It's understandable.
"frustrated people who've been shat on by society." So just because they're virgins, they've been shit on by society? You know, I've been lonely before, I've cried before, AND I'm a virgin. But I never wallowed in self-pity and blamed other people for my lack of a love life. Personally, I think that's childish behavior from someone who's not mentally prepared for a relationship in the first place.
It's more because they've been mocked and insulted through the years. It's completely different to be a virgin guy than a virgin girl. I think they overreact, but they have a point.
I am a good guy and I can be very creepy :(
"Nice guys" aren't nice. They are just bitter men and they pretend to be nice. I've yet to meet an actual self proclaimed 'nice' guy. Nice guys don't talk about how they are so nice. They are just genuinely nice, and they don't acknowledge it. These guys usually do have friends or girlfriends. There is a reason why the so called "nice guys" are single. It's because they are creepy and bitter.
I agree, "nice guys" are creepy losers.