Are transwomen women?

[Anonymous]

[MCheetah]

Objectively no. I have no respect for grown adults who need to lie and play make-believe to reality just to be political. Transpeople can THINK of themselves however they wish. But it's not reality, no matter what.

I can treat you with as much respect as possible, but I'm not going to lie to myself and belittle my sense of reality just because you're insecure with your identity. The fact so many people are willing to put feelings over objective science and reality says how much of a Clown World we're now living in. Furthermore, trying to force people to outright f*cking LIE to you, is not going to garner acceptance among the trans community, no matter how many stupid-ass, empty, meaningless buzzwords you throw at someone. ("Oh, he doesn't agree with me. Let me call him 'transphobic.' All transphobic people are monsters and inhuman. Therefore, I don't have to respect anything he says or does anymore. Great defense mechanism I came up with!").

Transwomen are not women. They are TRANSwomen. Transmen (although they pass way f*cking better than any dude in a dress and wig do) are not men. They are TRANSmen. If gender was all magic, wishes, and gumdrops like these people believe it is, then they'd just wake up one day with a working, biological uterus, vulva, fallopian tubes, and actual vagina. What's that? That doesn't actually happen? Well, there ya go then.

Like I said, I'm all for "live and let live" and you can pretend to be whatever you want in life. It doesn't mean I'm obligated to play along and lie to you. Especially being a 6'2" human being with an Adam's apple and 5 o'clock shadow that thinks wearing a dress means you can now get periods. As previously stated, I and society and general would have way more respect and acceptance for transpeople if so many of them weren't such entitled assholes who want flip society upside down and have the rest of the normal 99.5% of people pretend, lie, and belittle ourselves to make mentally ill people with identity insecurities feel better about themselves at our own detriment.

Transwomen are not women. "End of discussion."

[Xylem1992]

All the cells in transgender women are male cells.

Their tissues are male: eg have male bone density, have male muscle strength (AFTER years of hormonal therapy)

Their body is male: They still suffer from health problems males do. eg prostate cancer, increased risk of IHD comparing to women (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCOUTCOMES.119.005597 )

Transgenderism is STILL a psychological disorder according to American Psychiatric Association (APA) under the term Gender Dysphoria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#:~:text=and%20cultural%20factors.-,Diagnosis,other%20than%20one's%20assigned%20gender

Being a transgender is fine. But facts are facts.

[DevikaButts95]

? All men begin as women as birth? So that's just actually not true.

[Xylem1992]

@devikabutts95 I assume you're talking about Mullerian ducts which is formed for both males and females. They make female sex organs in females, and they are destroyed in males. Males dont start as females. So that's just actually not true.

[DevikaButts95]

Even in your own statement you note how they begin the same and then branch off?

[Xylem1992]

@DevikaButts95 Not the same. Same doesn't even apply here. Mullerian ducts are neither male nor female. Consider the time before evolution had come up with male and female. Sex still happened before the heterosexuality in like fungi and stuff. So were those species male or female? They were neither. Or somewhere in between, if you like. Also I still don't see the relevance of neonatal sex organ development to what I said above. Sex organs are just one part of your body. You can change them with surgery, but the other parts will remain the same sex you were born with.

[SecretsofKB]

Yes. End of discussion.

[Xylem1992]

Incorrect

[SecretsofKB]

@Xylem1992 genetically, yes, they are males. But if they want to identify as a woman, as they feel that they are truly a woman, then yes, they are a woman.

[Xylem1992]

I'm not talking about just genetics. I've posted an opinion also, unpopular as it may be, based on facts. If transgender women feel like a woman. By all means, feel away. But recognition of others doesn't come from feelings, much less other peoples personal feelings; It comes from facts. And facts are stacked against it sky high. Another issue with your "Let them be free to do what they like" stance, is that they are susceptible to self harm (https://www. sciencedirect. com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749379711009172) Other issues are raised when considering transgender women with superior muscle power (https://link. springer. com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3) competing with cis women. There are other social issues which I won't get into here.

[TCredo]

@secretsofkb agreed. i'm friends with a few trans women. no doubt. they are women

[PenkWing]

Yes. Gender is a lot more than chromosomes, and we should just trust the experience of the people who talk for themselves.

On a more personal note: every trans woman I met was obviously a woman. Try talking to actual trans women. You will know they are not faking anything and they are genuinely what they say they are. The same goes for trans men!

[Vanella]

I'm so thankful to have found at least one comment in here who I can agree with.

[God_of_Thunder]

Genetically? No

If you have an XY chromosome combination, then you are male. Nothing you can say, or do, will change that.

If you want to live as a woman, take drugs, get surgery, etc; that's your choice, and I respect that, but you're still male.

[OlderAndWiser]

Currently, people redefine words to mean whatever in the hell they want them to mean. am told that race doesn't exist and there really aren't differences between people, although I see many differences between races. People want to pretend that some surgery and hormones can change you from a man into a woman, but nothing can change the fact that the person has XY chromosomes in every sell of their body and they spent their first 20+ years as a male. No, a "transwoman" is just a man who had some surgery trying and failing to make some "miracle" happen. And when these people realize the lie that has been perpetrated, many of them commit suicide. It's just pathetic!

[TheUniqueOne96]

From a biological POV, I don't think it''s the case, but I'm not going to be an asshole to them or treat them bad or anything like that.

[Vanella]

Yes, absolutely. Trans women are women, teams men are men.

[Vanella]

*trans men of course, not teams

[haphazard]

Yes. They are not biological females but they still have all the traits of females.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

No, never, absolut never and is a stupidity that some people belive they are.

[Recurrence]

I don’t have a problem with trans people at all

[EssenceOfLight]

Maybe for themselves and decayed societies they are women. As dating material for heterosexual men they are not.

[vald9inches]

Maybe to transmen they are

[FireFox001]

No. End of discussion. You are what your DNA defines you. You can surgically alter yourself, you can pretend, you can take medicine, but at the end of the day, your DNA will determine what and who you are.

[Joker_]

No..

[Anonymous]

Nope.