Sexual Relationships 
Sexual Health Do you think lying to someone you're seeing and telling them you love them to get them to do something sexual is a form of rape?
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I'm not talking about whether you could prove it in a court of law (it would probably be very difficult to prove). I mean strictly from a moral viewpoint.
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26 93It sounds like it could be but it all depends on what the girl is looking for and how often she has sex and for which reason
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I'd say overall I do agree with you but it's not always black and white.
@jjpayne also true
Is it Coersive Rape?
I think it is
I'm not positive, it was just the first thing that came to mind. I don't know that it could be classified as such but it's definitely extremely sleazy, disgusting behavior.
It really is
No it not rape
No I don’t. But you shouldn’t lie anyway.
No, you can't morally rape someone anymore than you can morally murder them. It is deception and manipulation, which is unethical but fairly common in relationships, from both sexes.
No, by definition rape wether sexual or not, is when someone forces you into psychical activities (that the rapist participates in, such as shoving a stick up your rear end, or unauthorised sexual activities, such as a conscious and aware person having sex with a unconscious person) without their consent. If you lie to someone just to get something sexual out of them, your manipulating them into it. Unless he/she that is manipulating forces you to, and you give no consent. It will not be considered rape.
if it was i think it would make most people a rapist but there have been cases of extreme deception that have gone to court
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No, it's obtaining goods or a service by deception, in terms of the closest legal fit. It's not theft, i. e. not akin to rape.
But still a crime
Not a crime, no. There is no law against obtaining love by deception, unfortunately.
Or sex...
Do you think there should be? Or do you think it would be too hard to prove?
It would be very hard to prove and might cause as much trouble as it solves. For every world sexual encounter it avoided it might equally sabotage a relationship that begins on a false premise but actually turns into something real. It could also have a negative effect on people using their own judgement and equally affect the learning curve that we go through in life. Furthermore, it would almost certainly be used vindictively by some of those who are spurned. "He lied to get me in bed!". No, you willingly got into bed expecting more and when it didn't happen you decided to involve the law. Look at how many girls, in particular, willingly go into friends with benefits situations and then start looking for signs that the guy wants more because they've caught feelings. There are many posts like that on here. I could see some of those situations turning into spurious claims of sex by deception.
Not rape. People should have sex because they want to have sex. They should not have sex because they think it will make someone stay around.
No. I’m talking about where the person convinces you to do stuff because they love you and they’ll never leave you and if you really loved them you’d do it just this once.
Still not rape.
I don't see it as rape, rape is forcible. Even though you lied, you did not force them to have sex with you
But you made them do something they didn't want to do because they thought you really loved them
It is deceitful but I still don't see it as rape. 1: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception
That last one. Incapable of valid consent because of deception!!!
But I still don't define it as rape, that's just my opinion
I understand
By that definition, I guess it could be considered rape but to me it has to be forcible
No, it's deception, so fraud.
It's actually not illegal to lie because of the First Amendment
@ZeussLightningBolt arguable, but it defo should be in this case
Is it morally fucked up, yes. But is it something that should be prosecuted? Only in the court of God
@ZeussLightningBolt maybe... Defo hard to prove. But telling someone you love them and then using them sexually really hurts.
@ZeussLightningBolt: As the Asker instructed, I"m looking at this from a moral perspective, not a legal one
Personally I wouldn't do it
@ZeussLightningBolt good 😊
I'm sure you have covered cases where a female client has excused their patner of raping them but no rape kit was issued and it turns out to be he only fingered her
It's an interesting idea I mean I wouldn't call it rape but I think sexual abuse it could be like rape is without consent and even if the other person is lying consent was still given but sexual abuse its possible
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It's just how can you prove somebody is lying
WhiteShoulder you can tell from this that dav is a interlect and a very bright girl
@justcurious2019 she’s defo really smart
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Agreed
No, if they consent, they consent. It's manipulation, which is also a scummy thing to do.
I can understand regret after finding out it was fake all along, but consent is still consent and we shouldn't stretch the definition of rape.
lying to someone is immoral but not a form of r*pe.
r*pe is more about control over the other person, by using phyical force and emotional manipulation rather than lying to someone to get something out of them.
Lying to them and saying you love them is emotional manipulation
yes but it isn't used WITH physical force. its just lying to get what you want.
Being moral has very little to do with right or wrong... being moral means your intent wasn't evil. So, a guy wants sexual contact and uses, "I love you" to NOT force a girl to do what he wants?
He's actually morally acceptable. What he did wasn't evil and acting in your own best interest isn't evil. Deceptive yes, evil no... and no, not a form of metaphorical or hypothetical or real rape.
No. It was evil.
Not even close... It was deceptive, opportunistic, and weak, but evil? Naw... The truth is, you believe he's at fault, when really he isn't. Dudes have been saying I love you to get ass for centuries... don't act brand new, you knew that. The real problem is you. Clearly, you wanted to sleep with him long before he said I love you. And just because he said that, means you're in love too? No, but I bet you said it back. Truth be told, you probably would have allowed for sexual contact if the dude said, "I love you", in Klingon, then told you, "That was I love you... in Klingon." because you were probably repressing the urge for so long. Bottom line: You put the decision to get physical in his hands and based it on the most Chaotic of human expressions, Love. Why? Because, you wanted to be able to put it all on him, if he was lying. You didn't want to be responsible for wanting to have sex. And I think you sensed he may not feel that way, but got physical anyway. You weren't with him that long because if you were, you would've said so in your description. Now, I'm assuming this about you... if I'm wrong, I apologise.
Its definatly deception.
I actually had someone do this recently and have never had it happen in my life. It was definatly revenge on his part, but me having done this to guys over and over again, it was karma for me.
You told guys you loved them so they would get sexual with you?
Nevermind i read the question wrong🙈🙈😄
Okay😊
Its not rape... you still say yes to the sexual thing, its still your CHOICE. But its horrible to use people like that...
It really is
One is making a statement , telling that person. Wow i like to have sex with you
but unless she agrees to it , than yes it could be form of rape , if i start undressing
her and running my hands up her shirt and putting my hands down the back of
her pants to get them off , yes most certain that is form of rape or sexual assault
but i would never do that with a girl. Just making things clear that is violating a
woman and her rights to have or not want have sex. Maybe i am wrong here?