Is it rape if your partner still doing it even you asked to stop? ?

[Anonymous]

[Paul_in_Indy]

Obviously, sex without consent is unacceptable. None of want to do that. We are afraid of inadvertently pressuring someone into sex with “less than full” consent. We worry about this. It keeps us awake at night.

But sex is complicated. In your description, my “partner” (ie. my significant other, my wife or the person I wish would marry me already and be my wife_) has consented to sex. …but then something happened to make her uncomfortable. She asks me to stop. —and you are saying that the instant she said “stop” that consensual between my wife/partner and I became RAPE? It is more complicated than that.

In that scenario, if I hear her say “stop” I will probably first stop what I was doing and try something different. If she says “stop” again, I would pause and say, “what’s up? What do I need to do?” By your “definition” I would have become a rapist during those few seconds. (In fact, you say that if you had a weapon placed within reach, you would kill me?)

Obviously, you withdrew your consent before you even spoke. It took you a second or two to speak. It took him a second or two to comprehend. He may have misunderstood and kept going but not as hard or fast. Then it took you a few seconds to communicate again. In those 10 seconds, according to your “definition,” he stopped being her husband and became her rapist.

I think it is more complicated than that. Yes, a man can rape his wife. No, a misunderstanding in the heat of the moment (with his PARTNER) is not instantly rape.

All of us—ALL of us!—want to stop when she is uncomfortable. All of us would do our best to put her at ease if she is uncomfortable. But being confused does not make us rapists.

In the scenario you describe, I would definitely lay down beside her, hold her, stroke her hair, and whisper to her. Is THAT rape? I didn’t “stop.” I didn’t flee. I didn’t call the police and turn myself in. I assume you would pull your gun and shoot me dead while I was trying to snuggle?

A man whose wife/partner tells him to stop will always wonder what he did, whether he stopped soon enough, whether he was hurting her, etc. He will torment himself with that worry. But you are saying that is basically impossible that he is not, now, a RAPIST. The moment she “withdrew consent” he became a rapist. He now bears the mark of Caine and can never be a part of society again? (I assure you that is how he will feel.)

Does he need to turn himself in and confess his rape?

[Paul_in_Indy]

LOL. I love it If I make the point that you should not shoot your husband dead in a moment of confusion, I am defending rapists? Nope. No one who reads this will reach that conclusion. Defending husbands against impulsive violence is not defending rape. I despise rape and I want to see it taken seriously. You are making it hard for anyone to take rape seriously by trying to make basically any sex between a hips and and wife rape. If we are going to shame rapists properly, we need to take rape seriously. You can’t water it down into a “gotcha” that will let you attack someone and not expect most people to throw up their hands and ignore you. We need to see rape clearly to properly despise it. Whatever you are doing here, trying to vent your anger against all men and hoping to encourage some woman to commit murder so that you can hurt people vicariously? Will not accomplish that.

[Chazmatazz269]

Morally, yes, with limited exceptions. But legally “rape” and “sexual assault” are one-way crimes in the west. Women can and do do whatever they want to men without consent and no crime has been committed. In fact, they are sometimes even rewarded for it. There are cases in which grown women raped little boys and then went on to hold the child responsible for child support. Most people don’t know that because the mainstream media only concerns itself with the importance of consent when the victim is female. Even when the victim is a child, there is no outrage because the child has testicles and a penis. Some people call that “patriarchy”. Ell oh ell!

[Aerissa_Jade]

This is one of those things that soo many have difficulty comprehending. Now you've done it, going to get all these guys that think if you consented that means you can't take it away at any point ever... you've consented FOREVER... or at least until they are done.

Rape is about consent and consent can be withdrawn at any point, for any reason, it matters not why.

Marriage does not give consent to whenever, nor does past sexual encounters.

Asking someone to stop and they continue, is by the legal definition rape and they can go to jail.

I could also ask him to stop and if he refused, reach under my pillow, get my gun and shoot him and it would be self defense, because he was now raping me.

The fact that it becomes self defense tells anyone that legally, it is rape the moment consent is removed.

Guys act like they have zero control over themselves once they get started, but that is just an excuse to keep on going.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Paul_in_Indy Self defense, he was raping me. It is legal here to use lethal force to stop a rape and it has happened before, successfully. NO charges were even brought in those cases. This is not a liberal hell hole where they would want to charge a rape victim, rather than the rapist. Pre-meditated means you would have to plan this in advance, there is nothing about wanting someone to stop as pre-meditated.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Paul_in_Indy It only takes 1 second to stop when someone says stop. All a jury has to decide is, if he decided to try and finish first, thinking he was 30 seconds away and any woman on the jury would likely vote not guilty to her. I would not want to live in a hell hole that a man can keep on going when told to stop, and it not be considered rape. It is not hard, just stop moving, get up and walk away. Don't talk, don't try to convince, don't do anything other than stop and get up. As consent is now revoked, it must be a IMMEDIATE stop without any delay. Sure some could pre-mediate and plan this, but one would then have to prove she planned to consent up front, then do this. I am not trying to give either, instruction or intimidate... simply saying, once consent is gone, it is rape... it must stop IMMEDIATELY, to even go 10 more seconds is 10 seconds of rape. I do encourage all women to take self defense classes and be prepared to kill any man trying to be her rapist. I don't mean shoot to stop, I mean shoot to kill. If I was really trying to tell someone how to get away with murder, I would say don't even call the police, just dispose of the body and don't bother reporting the rape or his death. Same would apply to women too, if a man says stop, she has to stop immediately and get off, 1 second is all that is needed. That is how long it takes the brain to process. From what it sounds to me though, you don't have the ability to stop when someone says stop. You want to excuse rape, butt... I am so close, give me 10 more seconds. All YOU ARE DOING is trying to excuse rape for some reason, are you rapist?

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Paul_in_Indy Prove it though that was her intent, are you or anyone going to be able to read her mind to know her intent if it was planned just a moment in advance? After all, what if all she wanted was it to stop and he kept going? What is she suppose to do to get him to stop?

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Paul_in_Indy Your the sick one to me, rapist... or at the very least rapist sympathizer, your being blocked. I don't talk to rapists or rapists sympathizers. Your disgusting and sick.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Paul_in_Indy Someone that defends rapists like you, OMG I can't believe disgusting people like you exist.

[Anemone978]

If you have to ask the internet if it was rape it probably wasn't...
My ex had sex with me plenty of times without consent I never considered it rape because A) he didn't hurt me B) It did feel good C) I already fucked him many times before so why would I care...
Now he also had sex with me when we were broke up and we were still living together when I was sleeping... that time I cried after the fact... but still I'm not gonna go ask someone else if it was rape... it either is or it isn't and you know yourself... geez..

[SteveSmith1985]

Yes. 100% that is rape.

[Alessa13]

You do not even need to ask to stop, that imply something like "Please stop" all one has to say is, stop and he is legally required to immediately stop.

The sheer number of men here on GAG saying that isn't possible is scary though. Some saying they need time to wind down, 30 seconds or so... is scary.

Once consent is removed, it automatically becomes rape. Raping someone for a minute is still a minute of rape.

Getting it charged though, better have recorded the encounter as evidence that he didn't stop or least audio recording.

[Being_a_good_Indian]

Yes it is rape. Consent must be ongoing and can be revoked at any time for absolutely any reason at all.

Maybe there wasn’t enough prep and it’s starting to hurt? Maybe you have been sexually assaulted in the past and are having a flashback? Maybe your still a virgin and think your ready but change your mind? Maybe you realized you both got caught up in the hormones and forgot to use protection? Maybe the other person is trying to do something new that you guys did not discuss beforehand and your not comfortable with?

Weather it’s any of the reasons above or any other ones you can think of, if you say no or stop and they keep going regardless that is rape.

[Boromir]

Yes. Saying no and then still have him do it is rape. It’s rape if he penetrated you. It’s sexual assault if he does other sexual stuff with you if you did not consent.

Get away, seek help, leave this situation.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

The definition of rape is engaging in sexual activity to which one partner DOES NOT consent or is UNABLE to consent to.

You saying stop automatically removes your consent and DECENT men would stop. It's very easy. Pull the fuck out. Roll off. Go jerk off in the bathroom.

Douchebags that see you as a sex object to "get off on" would continue going because they are NOT interested in you or your concerns, they only care for themselves.

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Is it rape?

By the basic definition it is, particularly if he held you down or retrained you / your hands in some fashion so that you could not shove him off.

That you engaged in sex and suddenly changed your mind doesn't not make it rape.

This is where you separate decent men that respect women
And trash that are literally not worth giving the time of day to

[BigWhiteWolf87]

And the law agrees. This is why trashier men / douchebags who don't respect women & only see them as sex objects to get off on are rightfully tossed into jail to rot when caught as committing domestic or spousal rape.

[Wade12345]

It's not even possible to prove rape in supposed "spousal rape" cases, which is why the Bible doesn't address spousal rape. You are not a man, you do not comprehend what the urge to "keep going" is even in the case of masturbation, much less real sex with a woman. The man is literally programmed by his very DNA and hormones to keep going as long as he can keep going. i respect women a HELL of a lot more than anyone else you are ever going to meet. That's the number one reason I'm a 42 years old virgin. Sometimes I respect women way more than i should.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 You don't respect women whatsoever that's extremely obvious by your response. Because men have been tossed into jail for raping their spouses & you spout some nonsense about the Bible. Bible is a book that treats women like chattel, property with no rights at all so HOW can you respect women?

[Wade12345]

No it doesn't. You've never even read the Bible if you think that. A Jewish woman had the right to refuse marriage to any man even if an arranged marriage had been made. She had a right to equal inheritance with her brothers, which NO OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD UPHELD UNTIL AROUND 1900 OR SO. See Joshua and Job, who specifically gave their daughters equal inheritance to their brothers. You've clearly never read the Bible. Additionally, you have no idea who you are talking to. I regularly pray for women's safety and well-being. i regularly pray for what's best for women, and i never seem to get in arguments with women except you idiot, atheistic liberals on this website.

[Wade12345]

lol. if you were being hurt, you could kick him off with a thrust of your leg. Even an untrained woman's front thrust kick hits with 2000 foot-pound force and could send an average sized man airbourne if she actually just kicked him one time, even from her back on a bed. if you were being raped and didn't want it you'd fight back or yell for help.

[Wade12345]

It is not rape and the correct thing to do is for the Judge to throw out the woman's claim in the case of alleged spousal rape. about a year ago, a similar case came up in Louisiana, and after much deliberation, the Judge threw the case out, because there is NO POSSIBLE EVIDENCE the woman could present to prove the man was guilty of any wrong-doing whatsoever. You are required to PROVE by PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that the man raped the woman in order to convict, but in the case of a married couple there is no evidence possible to prove rape. his semen could be there from consent, and if she changed her mind 5 minutes in, so what, it could be pre-ejaculate DNA, and that doesn't prove rape. If she has scarring so what? he could claim it was rough, but consentual sex, etc. The FBI and Judges throw out around 80 to 90% of ALL alleged rape cases every year, because the woman have no rational evidence of rape other than their claim, and they contradict themselves more often than not, so their case gets thrown out before it even goes to trial. Further, The FBI PROVES by positive evidence that 80% of all alleged Rape claims are false accusations.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 I've read the Bible multiple times. Front to back. My family has been involved in the Church as priests, bishops, etc for multiple generations.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 "The FBI and Judges throw out around 80 to 90% of ALL alleged rape cases every year, because the woman have no rational evidence of rape other than their claim," Did you not just lie & say that you respect women? Because your commentary proves that I am right and you have no respect for women by your continual messaging.

[Wade12345]

Somehow I don't believe you. I'm a licensed and ordained Pastor in the State of Louisiana, and only someone Biblically illiterate would claim that women were treated like property by the Bible authors.

[Wade12345]

That's facts found on the FBI home page. I mean seriously, every time you've typed on this thread you have falsely accused me. If you really read the Bible you should know "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

[Wade12345]

"Respecting women" doesn't mean I'm required to believe every crack-pot claim that comes out of a woman's mouth.

[Wade12345]

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. The woman is required by law to PROVE the man raped her by some physical rational evidence other than just her word vs his word. In the case of her changing her mind 5 minutes in, the defense attorney is going to point out semen could be in her vagina due to pre-ejaculate before she even changed her mind, and that evidence will be ruled inadmissible to the jury. I've seen a similar case, as I said, and the WOMAN judge threw the case out because there is no rational way to prove rape in a marriage, especially when the alleged "victim" had no bruises and no defensive wounds of any kind. Like I said, if you were raped you would have fought back, and both you and the man would have bruises. Why didn't she rip the guy's eyeballs out with her fingernails if she wanted him to stop?

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 Stop blubbering fool because the more and more you whine like a dog, the more and more obvious it becomes you are a liar, a dirtbag and that you don't respect women

[Wade12345]

THE LORD REBUKE YOU GODLESS FALSE ACCUSER. Since you claim you've read the Bible multiple times, and I proved you've never read it one time by your ignorance of basic principles in the Bible, I am going to pray for Almighty God to send a real Angel to rebuke you in a vision and correct your FALSE ACCUSATIONS and NONSENSE.

[Wade12345]

and guess what? If I'm wrong about any of this, I hope God sends the Angel to rebuke me instead, but I'm 100% positive that I'm correct, especially regarding the spousal rape scenario and the OPs original post.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 ROFL. Go dunk your head in the Tigris and see if God would welcome you. I doubt it.

[Wade12345]

girl, I've eye-witnessed angels and other revelations from God. I know where I stand with God and I know where God stands on this issue. You CANNOT put a man in prison because he didn't pull out as fast you thought he should have. That's what this debate amounts to. By tghe way, I don't believe in water baptism. It does nothing to save anybody. "OBEDIENCE IS GREATER THAN SACRIFICE."

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 Take your medication. I doubt you even know the significance of the Tigris River in the Bible.

[Wade12345]

Oh? Allegedly, the Tigris and Euphrates rivers along with Hidikel (and another one I always forget) is where the authors of Genesis (a very fake and corrupted book) claims God created the first Man and Woman. Note that God allegedly did not ask the woman's opinion, she was married to the man and required to have sex with him to produce offspring. Anyway, girl, you need to ask some harder bible trivia than that. Anyway, since you mentioned the Tigris River, I'm going to laugh at your "women's rights' crap, because God brought Eve to Adam and required her to marry Adam. Suck on that.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 ROFL Eve was made of Adam to replace his first wife Liilth. She wasn't "brought to him". Keep blubbering the more you blubber the more sinful you are

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 - by the way sinner Old Testament is considered the least corrupt of all the teaching and in which Tigiris is mentioned. The only reason why you'd consider Genesis corrupt is because you're one of these brainwashed modern Christians that think the garbage of the New Testament is legit.

[Wade12345]

You better read Genesis again. Nowhere in the Bible is Lilith ever called Adam's wife, and the name only appears once in reference to an unknown animal in the entire bible. The only WIFE mentioned for Adam in Genesis is EVE and it specifically states that GOD BROUGHT HER TO ADAM AND SHE BECAME HIS WIFE. Keep blubbering and spewing your nonsense.

[Wade12345]

21And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. 23And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.” This is one reason i don't go looking for women to date anymore. If God wants me to have a wife, he'll bring me a wife. It's that simple.

[Wade12345]

The name "Eve" literally means "The Mother of All Living" and she is the only woman the Bible ever claims was married to Adam, and she was commanded by God to marry him.

[Wade12345]

The name "Lilith" is mentioned in the Bible once, in Isaiah 34:14, and refers to an unknown animal or else a demonic spirit related to babylonian folklore, which dwells in uninhabited waste places (according to the myth) and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with an alleged wife for Adam.

[SteveSmith1985]

@Wade12345 No man. You're wrong. There is no "keep going." Fuck your urge to keep going. She doesn't want you to keep going. So... if you keep going (regardless of why) what you're doing during that time is raping that woman. You're sticking your dick in-and-out-of-a-woman who does not want you to. That's rape. Period. In every single possible situation. If you're dick is inside someone... who doesn't want it to be there... you're engaged in raping that person. There's nothing in male DNA, or hormones, or anything else, that excuse rape. That is horseshit dude. You really actually DON'T respect women the way that you should. You need to re-think this view man. This is really awful.

[Wade12345]

@SteveSmith1985 You can't change your mind 5 minutes into a sex act and then cry "rape" otherwise every woman on earth could maliciously entrap every man on Earth and have us all enslaved in prisons any time they wanted to do so.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@Wade12345 If you're causing pain, etc and continue to have sex you are most certainly raping them. That is undeniable. If the woman is having a medical emergency and asks you to stop, you are most certainly raping them. That is undeniable. Those are the real reasons why a woman would change her mind. The only other reasons would be she was under the influence of drugs or alcohol in which the police & the justice system has rightfully convicted men of raping women. Do try and think beyond your nose.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

* If the woman is having a medical emergency and asks you to stop but you continue, you are most certainly raping them. That is undeniable.

[Wade12345]

You don't get to change your mind and then blame the man 5 minutes later or 20 years later like those lying bitches tried to do to Bill Cosby. The judge through that case out too, because the Jury was contaminated and because irrelevant testimony about events not reported for over 20 years has no business in a rape trial.

[SteveSmith1985]

@Wade12345 No, but that's the thing. You CAN change your mind 5 minutes into the sex act. Your argument has been tried. Many times. Men don't buy it (decent ones), women don't buy it, and almost everywhere there are specific laws (or legal precedent in how rape-laws are to be interpreted in this EXACT situation). So, if women were all looking to falsely accuse their sexual partners of rape... maybe the nightmare scenario where all men are jailed as rapists would be possible. But that's not what women are doing. Any legal system leaves room for "reasonable" error. In fact the "reasonable person" is a fundamental concept anywhere that uses a system derived from British Common Law. The point is: The "gotcha" scenario you're talking about... is not what anyone is talking about here. It's not going to be someone maliciously yelling "stop" in the middle of sex, so that they can say "you were still inside me 1.5 seconds after I said stop... so I'm going to have you charged with rape." Even if someone did exactly that. Nobody would go to jail for that. Not anywhere. This isn't some technicalities argument. This isn't like an abstract mental exercise. It's not something where anyone is looking for a "gotcha". And it's impossible to successfully pull that off anyway. In the same way a cop can't say: "show me your hands" as he's raising his gun to fire a shot. Then claim he had the right to shoot because the suspect did not comply with the order to show his hands. Well... since this guy couldn't reasonably possibly even had time to hear, process and comply before the shot was fired... nobody worries about this scenario. It's the same sort of technical "gotcha". I mean... a cop CAN shoot if you don't comply with that order. But how long exactly do you have to comply? 5 seconds? 10? NO. The standard is going to be "would a reasonable person have had enough time to comply with the order to show his hands".

[SteveSmith1985]

@Wade12345 So don't worry. The gotcha shit is already impossible. All this comes down to is: respect someone else's boundaries when it comes to what you're doing to their body. That's it. It's not hard, or complicated. It's not malicious, or intended to somehow fuck guys over. It's really simple. If someone says stop. You stop. Immidiately. I don't care if you're 10 seconds away from cumming. You fucking stop. Or you're a rapist. This is not a new debate. Your arguments have been made before. Society as a whole disagrees with you. This is rape. Whether you eventually come around to seeing it or not... everyone else sees this as rape. If you do this. You are a rapist in society's eyes... and will be treated accordingly. Your VIEWES can be whatever you want. But as far as behavior goes this is non-negotiable. You don't get to decide that this isn't rape. As long as you DO stop... believe what you want about how right or wrong it is that you have to. But you do have to. Or you're a rapist.

[Wade12345]

@SteveSmith1985 I'm a virgin idiot. 1) Stop calling me a rapist. 2) The Law of God says it is not rape unless the woman fought back and "cried for help". Otherwise it's consent.

[SteveSmith1985]

@Wade12345 I don't give a fuck about "God's Law". And I never called you a rapist. I described rape as rape. If you do that. You would be a rapist. Just like anyone else. I would have been way less-nice if I thought you were a rapist. Don't be getting too brave behind your keyboard there bible-boy. You and I both know you wouldn't have the balls to call me an idiot if I was in front of you. Don't start swinging above your weight class. You go on believing what you believe. And if your wife asks you to stop, and you don't. You're a rapist. God can't change that.

[Wade12345]

@SteveSmith1985 I'm medically disabled, but i wouldn't back down from you if you swung at me face toface. I used to beat second degree black belts easily in sparring in isshinryu karate. You DON'T want to fight me, not even with my disability.

[SteveSmith1985]

@Wade12345 Dude... get the fuck outta here. There's no way I'm trying to fight a guy with a disability. That's messed up. Just be nice, and don't get into the name calling. That's all.

[Wade12345]

@SteveSmith1985 If it was me and a woman said "stop" I'd stop as soon as possible. But you can't just imprison every man you want to imprison because a woman changed her mind after 5 minutes.

[Jessica405]

Yes. Once you say stop, all activity should cease. Non of this "just a minute" bullshit!

[Guy13]

It could be. Consult attorney and police?

[Lycirian]

To be honest. YES! I mean if you don't agree on something like let's say a role play.

I mean you say Stop or No, stop it, I don't want to. It is definitely Rape!!!

[lightbulb27]

yes, or at least assault.

[SnowedIn]

Yes it is.

[melanieeeB]

Yes obviously. A no is a no. Doesn't matter if you say no in the middle of it, at the beginning or it also doesn't matter if you just met, you two are in a relationship or even married. A no stays a no.

[OfMiceandMen]

If your partner says stop, then you stop, pure and simple. There is no negotiating, it is done.

Guys should not continue and pack it in.

[EmmaMary]

Legally yes it is.

[Lyndsielee666]

Yes it’s rape if you’re telling someone to stop..

[savagewolf22]

Tiny boobie girl 😘

[tiffany323]

it depends, if its a roleplay it is not. but if he/she was serious its rape

[Wade12345]

No, it's not. if you consented to sex and then five minutes in "changed your mind" it is not rape. It's just you being immature and not knowing what you want.

You cannot expect a man to stop going during a climax. That is about as unnatural as trying to pull your own teeth with your bare hands. It's impossible.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 how is it not rape if someone says stop or no? That IS the definition of rape, engaging in sexual activity to which one partner does not or is not able to consent.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 unfortunately for you the law & police would agree, it's why spousal rape exists and why trashier men that don't respect women just see them as sex objects to get off on are rightfully tossed into jail when caught.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 She consented to begin with. That's why. You can't say "yes" to begin with and then change you mind and cry 'rape: five minutes later.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 - unfortunately for trashy men like you as per the law consent can be removed at any time. Even if it didn't exist per law decent respectable men who RESPECT their partner WOULD stop.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 I wouldn't be having sex with a woman if I wasn't lawfully married to her and sure she wanted it in the first place. Some women roleplay forcible rape fantasies with their partners (for some insane reason) so who the hell is supposed to know the difference anyway? I saw one of these crime dramas with a similar "date rape" scenario a few days ago, and the woman was a cam girl who literally asked to be raped one of her spectators, then got raped a few days later by the same man, then blamed the man and the police charged him with rape. it can't be a crime if you asked for it to begin with. Sex is sort of like buying an icecream cone. you get half-way through it and change your mind about what flavor you wanted, that's your fault, not the other party's fault.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 Stop referring to me as trash, idiot. I've never committed even the slightest crime other than minor traffic violations, and I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do illegal drugs at all. You probably date men who really are trash, but have the audacity to sit there and falsely accuse me of wrong-doing. The Law of Moses settled this debate 3600 years ago. If the woman did not call for help and didn't not fight back, then it isn't rape. She must have consented.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 - Try to comprehend the Bible. No where is rape covered in the Law of Moses. “Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church” (Ephesians 5:25). PAUL is categorically prohibiting every attitude or behaviour that results in a husband devaluing, humiliating, belittling, or emotionally or physically wounding his wife.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 You've definitely never read the law of Moses. Both leviticus and deuteronomy discuss rape and other sexual sins at length, and if I quote Leviticus here the moderator will ban my account permanently. Deuteronomy 22:25 NKJV 25“But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. If you read the chapter CAREFULLY you will find that in the Bible a rapist is always either put to DEATH or else FORCED TO MARRY the woman he rapes, if she forgives him, and he CANNOT divorce her nor marry another woman for the rest of his life. So technically, female rape victims in Israel had the power to either have the attacker put to death, or make him into her permanent slave for the rest of their natural lives.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 Both Paul and Jesus were blasphemers. I'm not required to ensure a woman's every emotional state is positive. She's a free moral agent and responsible for her own actions and her own inner thoughts. I cannot change that one iota for better or for worse.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 - "Paul and Jesus were blasphemers" - how can you call yourself religious if you refer to Jesus as a blasphemer? ROFL. What a mutt.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 God is not a man. Jesus repeatedly claimed to be God in the Flesh, which is why the Jews crucified him for blasphemy and sedition (Josephus et al). I used to be a christian, but 6 years ago now I renounced anything to do with Jesus when the real God got it through my head that he absolutely was a blasphemer and the entire New Testament is a falsehood.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 - you just said the Old Testament was falsehood you lying sinner. Enjoy the devil's embrace when all is said and done with you in the world.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 Whatever, idiot girl. You apparently can't comprehend the difference between the Law and Prophets vs the false New Testament.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 blah, blah, blah according to you it's all rubbish and means nothing. Go lap up the lies of the devil and see where you end up at day's end.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 I can scientifically prove every sentence of Genesis wrong except the very first sentence. Even the other sentences which are true inherently are in the wrong order. Thus the text is not "inspired and infallible". There was no Great Flood, and to make a viable hominid species requires at least 36 females and 18 males to prevent in-breeding. Where do you think Adam and Eve's children got their own spouses? Do you think they fucked their own siblings? There is no evidence for Noah's Ark either.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@wade12345 - well you can't be religious if you believe in science. And too bad for you there's likeness of Noah's Ark that has been found. Like said, embrace the devil at day's end. Poising as religious and insulting other people as you have.

[Wade12345]

@BigWhiteWolf87 I haven't insulted anyone. You came on here falsely accusing me and calling me "trash" you lying devil. I scored 99th percentile in every category on the ASVAB. I missed 3 total questions on the test. As far as I know, I'm still the record holder for my Marine Corps District. I know more science and math than I'll ever need in my lifetime.

[AviatorTom]

Saying STOP is removing consent, and without consent, having sex is rape.

[Bricealan]

Maybe not rape, but certainly not a good thing to do

[Agape93]

Yeap 100%

[saffoler]

Yes.