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15 44Is the way feminists and left-wings express it a myth? Yes. Absolutely.
Do men have privileges? Of course. Men have some privileges that women have and vice versa. Whites have some privileges that blacks don't have and vice versa. Person X has privileges that person Y has not and vice versa.
I really don't see an issue with that though.
it's absolutely a myth. The only reason men have ever enjoyed any benefits is because they earn them through merit.
No it’s definitely a thing
not in the west it's not, especially not present day
You’re shitting me right? I’m from montana, then I lived in Bellevue Washington and now I’m in Idaho, and I guarantee male privilege is a thing... especially white male privilege.
You're shitting me, right? Wonder why 3 men downvoted you? Why don't you give me an example of male privilege? Oh while we're at it why don't you tell me about white privilege too?
Stanford boy rapes a girl at party. Supposed to be in jail for two years gets out in 6 months. Same thing at U OF M A party at at Yale University caught on tape of guys chanting: “no means yes...” All of those men are white. Men get treated better because they’re men, for some god awful reason. But when I come forward about being raped and getting beaten it’s always: “What did you do to start that?” Or “What were you wearing?” So dont you dare tell me it’s not a thing.
OH I'LL FUCKING DARE BITCH, I'LL TELL YOU IT'S NOT A THING TILL YOUR STUPID PRIVILEGED FEMALE FACE EXPLODES WITH ANGER!!! You mentioned two completely anecdotal incidents. To prove that something is a problem in society, you need to look at the bigger picture. Women are presumed innocent by courts and juries, men are demonized and presumed guilty. How many men have had their lives ruined by rape accusations that turned out to be false? A chick gets drunk and sleeps with a dude, regrets it the next day, then goes out and tells the university she was raped. The guy gets kicked out and can't ever show his face in that city again. Any idea how many times THAT has happened? It's not privilege for a guy to chant 'no means yes' or w/e, that is not privilege at all, that's just being a chauvinist pig. Privilege is when police believe you before they believe me. Privilege is when you get to keep the kids even though I'm the better parent and you selfishly initiated divorce.
'we need more women in the workplace' so women get in easier than men. You pay less for coding bootcamp because the field 'needs more women'. Who gives a fuck who does the job, it only matters that the job gets done. Society suspends it's standards of acceptable merit all the time to let females in just to try and convince everyone they are progressive or w/e. Women get jobs simply because they are women, men get jobs because they are good at them. Men pay the majority of taxes, women reap the majority of tax benefits. Men make up the vast majority of suicides and workplace deaths. Men have the privilege of being drafted to go get their head blown off overseas anytime the gov't decides it's time for war. You are such an idiotic naive child you blow my FUCKING MIND!!! "don't you dare bluh bluh wahhh bluh bluh bluhh' FUCK YOU BITCH!!! DARE DARE DARE DARE MOTHERFUCKING DOUBLE TRIPLE QUAD DARE I DARE ETERNALLY!!! Fucking brainwashed idiot MOAR WOMAN'S STUDIES HURP DURRR
male teacher has sex with student, gets destroyed by the media and loses everything. Female teacher has sex with student, cops sit there going "... nice..."
For the record, I’m not privileged, at all. I don’t know why you’re getting all pissy and cussing at me like I don’t know how the world works. I know guys can be nice and I know there are some who don’t buy into the male privilege and that’s awesome. That’s great. All I’m saying is that it’s a thing. That’s all I fucking said and now I’m getting attacked for acknowledging a tiny part of our society. Yes I know there are a lot of woman that do that and that pisses me off beyond belief, but from my personal experience men are always privileged. And with the female teacher student thing: more female teachers have been arrested for sexually harassing/ and sleeping with their students than male pedophiles in the past ten years.
And what about the cops who are shooting people for no reason? Or shooting them before they have a reason to?
you'll excuse me if i ask for a source on that last so called 'fact' which sounds like complete bullshit to me. Yeah I'm pissed, male privilege is not a thing and you still haven't made a single argument for why it is or given a WIDESPREAD example. Damn right you are getting attacked, you are god damn right. Saying there is male privilege when 4x the amount of men as women are committing suicide. Now you are backtracking and saying this is 'a tiny part of our society'. Clever. Let's break that flimsy shield with one good point, shall we? Which is there more of in north america, male privilege or female privilege?
What about men who are praised for cheating while women are shamed? I’m just stating things that society has mentioned. And I’m not trying to start anything about equal rights or whatever because I know that no one is ever gonna be treated equal. I know I’m only 19, and I still have a lot to learn. I know that. But you don’t have to make a big deal about one tiny phrase I said that acknowledges the existence of male privilege, which wouldn’t be “a thing” if these feminazis would stop complaining about shit all the time.
answer my question, which is more prevalent, male or female privilege? I'm talking about north america, Canada and the states. Men are only praised for cheating by cheating assholes, I've seen many a friend be completely excommunicated by my friends circle when we found out they cheated on their girlfriends and this is not uncommon at all. By the way, being praised for being cheater IS NOT PRIVILEGE!!! Everyone should be shamed equally for cheating.
Im not back tracking anything, and this is a small thing out of everything that’s going on, not only in the US, but in the world. Yes there is female privilege and male privilege. I don’t know which there is more of, but now that we have an Oompa Loompa looking ass president females aren’t going to be equal for that much longer.
I agree, cheating is wrong and should not be treated lightly.
you don't know which there is more of? Really? Even after all the points I brought up? The following points are generalizations to which their are exceptions so let's not dwell on the exceptions, moving on 1. Men pay more taxes and receive less money back, women pay less taxes and reap tons of state benefits. 2. When there is a question of rape, the women is always believed before the man, often without even a trial they will be expelled or fired and have their life ruined simply because a female accused them 3. The draft 4. Quadruple suicide rate and more than that workplace death rate 5. The courts, men are always demonized and have a harder time keeping their kids and their property 6. Women don't have to meet the same requirements for the same job, not even in the military. They lower the standards for women so they can get in while men have to meet the same brutally high standards. 7. Circumcision Need I go on? Wanna talk about the myth of white privilege next?
I know in Canada women have more rights to do what they will, (I only know that cuz my girlfriend lives there). Male privilege is a thing. Female privilege is a thing as well. But there wouldn’t be if feminazis could finally be happy with the equality we have, but no, now they have to start complaining about manspreading and every little thing men do. It’s so stupid. Back to my original statement: I was simply answering a question with the very obvious truth that male privilege is a thing, maybe I also should have said female privilege is a thing I guess? But there’s nothing more wrong than somebody using it as an excuse or reason to get what they want. I’m a 19 year “white” girl living in America. But I’m not privileged, I’m discriminated against almost everyday. So go ahead, attack me, but I made a simple statement that got your panties in a knot and now you’re all mad.
What does circumcision have to with any of this?
I also think the draft should be for men and women and also that the tests for the military should be the same for men and women of same height... (can’t be same weight for obvious reasons.) The points you’re bringing up aren’t points of male or female privilege at all, just points of how our government isn’t equal. And no matter how much we want it to change it won’t change. Sadly.
it won't change through voting that's for sure. No, the things I point to are how females get treated better and given the benefit of the doubt over men in every single societal situation from the courts to the military to education to jobs, EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK the standards are artificially lowered for women. You may not agree with it, lord knows I don't, but this is the world we live in, the FEMALE PRIVILEGE world that we live in today. Get it? Circumcision is mutilation of the genitals without any say of the person who it's happening to. It's not nearly as bad as FGM because we keep everything important, but it's still fucked that it's as normalized as it is. How would you like to have a part of you cut off at birth for no reason other than you were born the wrong gender?
My look on circumcision is I don’t really care. Men can still use their fucking dick after and still have pleasure. Certain parts of female circumcision make sex painful throughout. In ancient tribes in Africa, and I think some still do it? They do it so girls are basically fucked for the enjoyment for men. So I think some men need to get over the fact that when they’re born they have a little bit of skin taken off. However if i have a boy I’m not doing anything to his dick. That will be for him to decide later on in his life.
And men aren’t circumcised because they’re born the wrong gender
Also I’ve seen cut and uncut dicks... i don’t have a preference
so the beginning of your comment contradicts the end, if you didn't care you would let the hospital do w/e the fk they want which is probably circumcision, so clearly, you do care. I already admitted that FGM was way worse so I don't know why you are trying to convince me of that. You are talking to a circumcised man, so keep that in mind when you decide to tell 'us' to stop whining, you haven't been mutilated, shut the fuck up. Yeah I know FGM is fucked up and that's why I said we are talking about north america here, obviously I think those Africans and muslims are fucking savages if they are doing that to their women. We actually agree a lot more than I initially thought, you just need to avoid commenting on male privilege when there is SO MUCH MORE female privilege in our society.
I was just making a point that it’s not a myth
im not asking which penis type you like more, how can you even be thinking of yourself right now? What matters is how the person who had it done to them feels, that's what matters. That's like being a man in arabia and saying 'i don't have a preference as to whether she has a clit or not, I'll take it either way'
And when I say I don’t care either way I mean that if that’s what you decide to do for your child then that’s what you do. I will not do that to my child because I will let him make that choice when and if he wants to.
But let me put it to you this way: you’re usually a baby when you get circumcised and you don’t usually know until you’re older. Where it’s not that big of a deal because what’s done is done, you can’t change it.
Sure, I don't know what it could have been like, but I've heard it's more comfortable and that the tip is more sensitive if you have the skin, nevermind that I'm against body modifications and I would like to be natural in every way, so naturally I'm against this. I'll never know what i was missing yeah but that's a fucking terrible argument for legitimizing this barbaric practice. In any case, that's one tiny point out of 7 great points that I made
I hit three of the points you made. But I’m done arguing. Cuz I didn’t leave that comment to start one.
arguing is how you figure out if your points hold up or not hope you learned something
I learned there’s more I can figure out. I also learned that some people like to start arguments just to prove their ego is strong...
to prove their ego is strong? That doesn't even make any fking sense. I'm trying to keep you from perpetuating a lie so that young men and women don't grow up in a world of fantasy bullshit, that is my motivation. My hope is that you will realize how you were wrong and spread the word so that truth can be the song of the day on this planet
It makes sense. AND HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY I WAS JUST MAKING A STATEMENT AS TO YES! IT IS A THING! LIKE SERIOUSLY? FUCKING CHRIST, you're THE ONE WHO MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT
It also depends on a persons outlook in life and how where they grow up. Some parts it’s different. Where I’ve grown up, there’s been male privilege.
You still haven't said why it's a thing or how it's a thing. Your examples are not examples of male privilege, just of a few men being assholes. Someone being an asshole does not make them privileged. Privileged means that people treat you better. Women get free drinks, free anything they want pretty much, free money in divorce, cheaper education, lower requirements, people give them the benefit of the doubt all the time over men, you cannot talk about male privilege in a society that is so completely dominated by female privilege. Keep in mind, you are the one who decided to say male privilege is a thing. You put yourself out there, don't get mad when reality gives you a slap for being out of line
Goodnight sir. It is 2:00 in the morning my time. I have learned something tho so thank you.
But I’m not being out of line... I’m simply stating what I’ve seen. Stop being a dick.
I'm sick of fucking lies and bullshit, if you saw the world through my eyes I doubt you could restrain yourself to the extent that I do everyday. Goodnight.
From your eyes. You just made my point. Everyone has a different out look from the time they’re raised to the time they are an adult... what I say could be lies to you, but I’m saying what I’ve seen in my 19 years, yeah I still have more. So stop being so negative towards me when I have much more to learn.
you aren't just stating what you've seen, you're equating what you have seen with the concept of 'male privilege' and that is why I must correct you in the harshest way possible so that the message sticks. no point pussyfooting around on the internet, I don't care if I offend you, I serve truth.
No, you just don’t like to be wrong.
You can think that if you want. One does not arrive at truth without admitting they were wrong... ALL THE TIME. Do you know how many times I've had to admit I was wrong? I am an anarchist vegetarian... do you think I was born that way? You think I defend my right to eat meat back when I did, or that I defend my stupid uneducated views on the state that I used to have? Every day I look back at myself and realize I was that much stupider and farther from truth the day before... you know nothing of my journey. You are the one who doesn't like to be wrong. Just fucking admit that male privilege is insignificant in western society, then you can meet me in the realm of "I admitted I was wrong and learned something"
I already admitted I learned something. But I’m not wrong because this is how we view the world. I’m soooo done with you now.
"I'm not wrong because this is how we view the world" ? what in god's name does that even mean?
It means people have different views on the world they live in. No I don’t know your journey and you don’t know mine. So how we view society is different.
There is perspective and there is reality. We both have different perspectives, but there is only one objective reality. I provided many logical reasons why male privilege is insignificant and female privilege is significant in western culture. You have given me nothing of the sort, just an opinion with only a few unrelated anecdotes to back it up. We don't need to keep arguing, just understand that.
The idea of "privilege" is seductive; it means you don't have to shoulder the blame of not reaching your goals. you can say "Oh! I'm a victim of privilege! If it wasn't for privilege, I'd be (rich, famous, happily married, whatever)!"
Isn't it odd how, whenever someone wants to talk about privileged groups, they only talk about the perceived advantages, but never the disadvantages? Men make up 78% of the violent crime victims, 73% of the suicides, 74% of the homeless, 80% of the losts custody cases, and 93% of the workplace fatalities, to name a few. Does that sound privileged to you?
Yeah male privilege was a thing 100 years ago, but sadly we've evolved.
1. Women have reserved seats in politics, trains, toilets etc.
2. If a female charges a male with a fake rape charge, the male gets arrested even without investigation. This destroys his reputation.
3. Men are just "sperm donors" now days.
4. A man is expected to open doors for women, women first in ques, but still men are pigs that needs to be shot by feminist gun.
5. Men are treated as second class citizen.
6. Women are more likely to get away from a mistake than a man in social setting.
7. Men commit suicide at a higher rate than women
8. Men get longer jail sentences for the same crimes
9. As a boy you get worse grades than girls.
10. There are no safe-spaces for men/boys.
11. As a man you get to pay child support for children that resulted of you being raped.
12. Medical issues that mainly affect men get a lot less funding (if any at all) than issues that affect women. For example in the US President Obama slashed funding for research into prostate cancer
13. when a woman hits a man in public it's "you show him girl!" when a man hits a woman in public, people call the police or beat him up
Who wants to be a male in this modern society?
Do you have any evidence to substantiate these claims? Because so many of these things you’ve listed sound like myths themselves
As a FT working single dad , I have absolutely F all " privilege " ... quite the reverse , partnered mothers at my workplace get more leeway than I do , for one example. I have also had the " privilege " of a lot of sexism from women that assume male = pedo / sex predator and / or unfit parent , but to be fair , a lot of that is due to anti male " media " propaganda.
Honestly yes. The wage gap doesn't exist
It's a myth.
In Western society, yeah.
I like how you always include "I'm asexual" as an option as though it has something to do with that, lol.
Before it was't a myth, but it's a myth now.
ofc its a myth
No such thing
But female privilege is a thing
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It's real, but pathetic little boys whine and pule that it's a myth.
Yeah
nope
The polls are so divided.
It's not very clear. I know. It's sad that there's such a stigma on it and that we have to fight to prove that we are victims to. Even sadder still that this all diverts from the issue and people just get caught up between male female arguments. It's horrible for either side.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...rison-sexual-abuse.html
Yeah