[TRIGGER ALERT] Do you find it ironic how MGTOW evolves?

DISCLAIMER: This question is not meant to offend actual MGTOW (as long as they are the rational sorts like one of our GAGer nightingale) nor is it meant to attack MGTOW. Mockery is to be expected! This question is about the extremism of MGTOW. Read at your own risk or leave now.

[TRIGGER ALERT] Do you find it ironic how MGTOW evolves?



1. Don't you find it ironic how MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way, yet they can't get out of their own way by focusing so much on women?
If it is meant to avoid, ignore and isolate yourself from women, why then all the focus on women? I haven't seen men being so overly obsessed with women outside of MGTOW. (Except for me myself.)

2. Don't you find it ironic how certain members of MGTOW brand every being with a vagina between the legs of a human being the same like they have met them all? Basically it goes like this: You have a dick? If so are you red pill? If yes, then you're cool. If not, then either join them or be branded a *GASP* BLUE PILL WHITE KNIGHT PUSSY WHIPPED BETA WIMP!
Are you a woman? YOU ARE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL AND THE SPAWN OF SATAN! NO EXCEPTIONS - YOU ARE A WOMAN!!! 👩👿 ALL WOMEN ARE EVIL AND GOLD DIGGERS AND CHEATERS AND FEMINISTS AND!!!
(What about their daughters, mothers and sisters?)

Basically they see a bunch of feminazis hating on men (kill all men, men are pigs...) and believe, that every single woman on our planet is like them.

3. Some MGTOW tend to blame "normal" human mistakes if committed by women as - typical women. Car crash? They don't call it an accident - they call it typical women if the driver was a woman. If it was a man then the man is just being called an idiot or something.

And then they say they do not hate women. 😂😂😂
They just don't want to have any business with women BUT they cannot get their minds out of women.
[TRIGGER ALERT] Do you find it ironic how MGTOW evolves?
This comes from me, a former MGTOW. I can reek already the NEED to slam that keyboard and call me out by names such as traitor, super white knight, beta male, disposable tool, blind sheep etc 🤣
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  • Hey bro, thanks for the mention. This is my new account lol. To address your points though

    1. Sort of. Many MGTOW start off with an obsession almost over what they perceive as injustices pertaining to women. This usually subsides after a while. Although technically speaking, this isn't in contradiction with the principles of MGTOW. The "going your own way" part refers to not marrying women and among some members refers to not dating them or even sleeping with them. As for thinking about/talking about women, that isn't ever really mentioned.

    2. Again, sort of. Some MGTOW are extreme and crazy, yes lol. But some of us see women as "being all the same" in the sense that every woman has instincts within her that are natural such as: Hypergamy (dating up), seeking a man for his resources and wealth, etc. In my personal view, women DO all have these instincts but that doesn't make them "bad." Men have instincts too.

    3. Again, I sort of agree. Yes, it's a human mistake to wreck, but to deny that women are often terrible drivers in general just seems to be dishonest to me.

    4. Same as point 1.

    • Nightingale? Why did you cancel your account? Anyway cheers for responding man! Thanks for showing up and identifying yourself. I didn't think it would be you if you haven't identified yourself. I do see where some of that talks come from in the MGTOW as I was reading the MGTOW forums myself a long time ago, hence I made such partial "conclusions" based on my research. The thing is MGTOW can talk about women all they want but some have let it become a hostile obsession. I also understand the red pill rage phase as I was in it for myself. Eventually it will fade (or it won't). I mean talking about normal things such as how marriage is a bad deal or how false-rape accusations are highly risky is OK. Talking about things like women being unable to love, women being the sex, who betray the most and how ALL women are same is just biased and doesn't make sense on foundational basis. Just such things mate.

    • I canceled it because I was going to try to not use the site anymore because I used it too much. But I'm back now obviously :p No problem man. I agree, many of us do have an unhealthy obsession with it. I myself have such an obsession but I have realized this and am working on it. I agree with you there. Clearly women can love, and not all are the same. As for them being the ones who betray relationships the most, I'm not sure whether that's the case.

    • Found no alternative to girlsaskguys buddy :P? Same here. I was thinking about quitting this website but then I have experienced some sort of withdrawal symptom because i need communication with the opposite sex x) I mean there is Yahoo but I am not sure the users there have the same intentions as the users in this site. I am personally sick of those social justice warrior admins and biased and sexist moderators.

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  • Being a true MGTOW doesn't mean hating women or even hating people who would do anything for a woman. It's about self preservation we put ourselves and our freedom above everything else hence why it's called "Men Going Their Own Way" whether that way is avoiding women in general or just avoiding children and marriage. Truly adopting the MGTOW lifestyle doesn't mean no sex and no dating it just means no kids no marriage and nothing that could threaten or inhibit our freedom. The MGTOW you see that are going after Feminists are usually the ones who only want to be part of something after a string of bad luck with women. Just as every group has their extreme's MGTOW extremes are those guys.

    • I agree with you there. However practice shows that most of those visible MGTOW don't see other guys as MGTOW if they even just want to date women and they go as far as calling them blue pill and manginas and basically alienate those men. For those visible hardcore MGTOW - MGTOW means isolating and ignoring women, break up with women and... Dare i say it: Depowering women (the opposite of what MGTOW actually was founded for). These extremist MGTOW are exactly the reversed version of what the extremists of feminism do, which is depowering men. But of course idiots are literally everywhere, so that's very true.

    • MGTOW is neither a community or a movement. It is in fact simply a philosophy for the individual man. " Men Going Their Own Way - is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: "No". Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a man is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn't. In other words. . . common sense for men. sov·er·eign·ty Noun. Meaning: Supreme power or authority. Autonomy, independence, self-government, self-rule, self-determination, freedom. Self-governing. "

    • Additionally not al women are "evil " feminist but 50% of marriages end in divorce and divorce and family court are stacked against men so many MGTOW wave off their conteporaries from making the huge mistake of compromising their soverignety for women , familes and even country in some cases. Many MGTOW are bitter but they have their expiriences just like rape victims might find issues going into settings that remind them of their assault. For many men its THAT traumatic.. Look at the suicide rate. Its easy to dismiss MGTOW but they are a growing class and are a response to the illness infecting modern society

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  • YES. I agree very much and am astounded at how all the men who use fighting for their own 'rights' as a justification on projecting all the bitterness from their lack of success with women believe in them having an actual cause that they throw all reason and logical thinking in the process.

    • Not a lack of success for me. The lack of respect for men. Women have become entitle and selfish. I have been going my own way for 31 years due to advice of married men.

    • @burpzzzzz... I assume this advice from men didn't include very much knowledge of the English language and basic grammatical rules included in it. But hey- don't let me stop you from your using women as a scapegoat for your failures.

    • I'm eating at the same time. Of course instead of using logical argument you're going to make personal attack. It surely don't help your cause. You're proving why men are going their own way. Thanks for proving my point. Not a failure. I don't eat red meat because it's not healthy for me not because of my failure. I went my own way at 17, before even I thought about seriously dating but you can't use logical arguments only personal attacks.

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  • I agree with you. Not all women are bad. Not all men are bad.

    Feminism and MGTOW are irrelevant forms of propaganda keep the heterosexual couple from enjoying love and relationships.

    • Totally agree.

    • Thanks for MHO

    • Sorry but MGTOW was created from MRAs. Some MRAs were banned if they tried to critize feminism. This means they are one of the first group of people to be anti feminists. Everyone is following MGTOW. Also MGTOW's goals, it was anti marriage although many men were against it. MGTOW was created to have a platform of free speech which they also were the pioneers. They were angry as hell because they were banned so they started their own blogs and then a few forums arose. MGTOW know about cultural marxism and feminism propaganda. Things have gotten so bad now the MGTOW founders themselves personally adivse me to marry a Western women. There is only blue purple and red pill. And once again society is using these concepts that MGTOW and other communites from the manosphere. You can do a research on youtube and you will see many women and men using the red pill. For such a toxic movement people it to be people are following MGTOW, they are too stupid to realize it.

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  • Lmaooo this is funny because I was JUST thinking the same thing.
    I love how some MGTOW guys (on here) will comment on female behavior posts and mention in every SINGLE response that they've "gone MGTOW". Those are not any better than radical misandristic feminist.

    • You're dumb MGTOW means not going by society's expectations. You will be crying men don't want you when you're in 30'. s

    • I believe you have the wrong definition of MGTOW. MGTOW is nothing close to feminism, it's a response to feminism pertaining to the ill effects and disadvantage feminism has given men.

    • It is funny how the MGTOW here seemed to not have even read the entire post. He was going against the radical women hating MGTOW, not mgtow in general

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  • Thank goodness someone mentioned this! Those bitter men spread their own bitterness onto the other men too, not just us. They are dividing us all apart and then "make the rest of us pay for it".
    And yes i find it weird how they think they are going their own way but cannot stop complaining about us as a whole and stereotyping us all by having experience with just a few bad women and applying it to us all. Ridiculous! How is this going your own way?

    If men as much as hate women then leave the women be for goodness sake! Nobody has to be with us.

    I wouldn't take them seriously.

    • "I wouldn't take them seriously." MGTOW men don't talk about MGTOW in real life, because they know it's politically not correct, it's unpopular. If they would talk about the reality (red pill, MGTOW), they would be fired from their jobs or school, they would lose their friends, ... This means you won't know which man is MGTOW, because they won't tell it to you. They keep it secred, but they will still act with MGTOW in mind: this means that they won't get married, won't have children, they're very conscious and careful.

    • @dreji Cool! All power to them. Let them go their own way. But then what's the issue with women, that some of the MGTOW have?

    • @dreji mgtow men don’t talk about mgtow in real life because that’s where the going your own way happens not because it’s not politically correct. we use the Internet too open guys eyes about women’s nature. Then we shut up and go are own way. That’s why u will never see a protest or somthing stuiped.

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  • Is this a real thing or did you make it up?

    • Geez, I really need to get out more. This makes no sense at all, the last time I saw something like this was that old timecube website.

  • These are questions I have often asked until I just realized MGTOW is such a small part of the population, I decided to just focus on the rest of regular, women loving, level headed guys.

    • Yeah but people are losing their shit because more than half the men in society don't want to get married. Dating even dead. Level headed? lol How many sex partners did you have?

    • The western world will collapse in this century anyway. When that happens, in the chaos all the feminism and gynocentrism will disappear immediately.

    • @dreji I agree. Feminism, mgtow and all the other ridiculous factions that try to dissuade the natural course of events that is men seek out women. Women seek out men and through it all couples are formed, love is instilled and life is good.

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  • MGTOW community keeps some of its focus on women to warn or protect future men from getting caught in the female trap.

    • Why attempt to taint all men on their opions of all women? why not let guys figure out on their own what women mean to them? They can then decide if they had a bad experience with one woman, there are plenty more not like her, and maybe he'll be able to actually grow himself if he comes to the realization that if he continues to have the same issues, it's time to look inward and figure out what HE may need to change to better interact with women. Rather than to just shun all.

    • @SarahsSummer Every guy has the right to his own opinion. The mgtow men are giving like a 'heads up' to men who are entering the dating and relationship field. It's not like they are trying to hijack all future men and prevent them from going out with women. Every guy has a choice. And yeah, every woman is different. Everyone still has to be aware of consequences. Not everyone thinks ahead.

    • "It's not like they are trying to hijack all future men and prevent them from going out with women." Unfortunately that's actually exactly what quite many members of MGTOW are trying to accomplish. Not all of them however.

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  • I think you'd be hard pressed to actually offend one of us, but then, I suppose the moniker has grown in popularity enough to get used by posers and twats with thin skins.

    Personally, I am one of what ever some of the radical ones call a lunatic hardliner. I know many who participate in the dark corners of the internet known as MGTOW sites who have girlfriends, even wives. Me? I don't talk to women in person if I can possibly avoid it. Won't have a female doctor, because I wish not to die, and would sooner punch myself in the dick than get into any vehicle operate by any of the Y-chromosome deficiency sufferers. I even stopped flying; see, once you're on the plane, if you then realize you have a female pilot, you can't just get off. I literally drive across the country rather than fly.

    Which I'm guessing might cause one to beg the question, "Why?"

    I have been incarcerated twice thanks to false accusations. Accusations which were proven so egregiously false as to lead to my accusers being similarly punished. Now, I have had a good relationship with a woman. I say again, *a* woman. I still think fondly of her, and would not have ended it if we'd been going longer and it would have been appropriate to ask her to relocate with me or to forego relocating for my job.

    So why avoid them now? Why not try to find another like her?

    That was after a decade of dating, and well over 200 different girls dated. Finding one of the rare few that actually weigh what they should and isn't a cunt is hard enough. But the risk involved... I have been threatened a third time, by a woman who struck me, with another false accusation. I know enough about what happens when a woman claims her man hit her... he's going away in county property.

    I'm just done. The reward, while with the one I mentioned, was great, but unfortunately the risk is far too disproportionately high to be bothered.

    It's simple economics: risks versus rewards. Supply and demand... I have no demand for what the low quality of supply costs.

  • Good work. Was thinking of doing something similar myself to this, but you beat me to it.

    Agree with all of those points, well written.

  • The whole red pill vs blue pill thing is so beta it's pathetic.

    • Beta and alpha is based on study of wolves. sigh

    • @burpzzzzz Yeah, that was in the 1970's. Since then ethologists have determined wolves don't have an alpha/beta social structure. Primates do, though. My point is that folks that go around saying things like "red pill" and "blue pill" are usually part of the problem, not the solution. The chart above is straight up bullshit and has nothing to do with "alpha males" or whatever.

    • Oh, nm. I just woke up and it took me a minute to see your point. I was joking about the 'beta' part.

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  • At 26 your reported age you know nothing about men who choose to avoid women in one way or another or totally. I am pretty sure your a woman who is angered and feels threatened by men who chose to avoid women. But if you are you you claim. I don't believe you ever considered yourself one because if you did your research you would have never changed your mind. These men are NOT a part of a group, organization or movement but women and people like you like to classify in ways that are positioned so you have the best position to attempt to belittle and make fun of them. These men are not focused on females they are focused on laws unfair to men everything that is unfair to them always end up in the courtrooms.
    Feminism in the 1970's accepted they could not force/coerce/cajole/manipulate/belittle men to into submission. So they turned to the judicial branch and laws were passed to turn the courts/judges into their bullies forcing men into submission. Today if a women can get a man into court (and they do lie a LOT) the man will loose most everything he has to her and had practically zero chance of a fair settlement he has to just sit there and have his life ruined and not just for a few years, till he dies. Better yet go down to a divorce court for a day and witness the horrors you may go through someday. Classic line here. "its not that all women will use laws unfair to men its that all women can" And this is just the divorce part. The false rape accusations will terrify you once you accept it's real and you could easily end up in prison with just one lie from a woman. Almost zero chance of proving innocents. The proof is out there and there is a lot of it.

  • "1. If it is meant to avoid, ignore and isolate yourself from women, why then all the focus on women?"
    -Because they are technically the cause of most of their problems.

    "2. Don't you find it ironic how certain members of MGTOW brand every being with a vagina between the legs of a human being the same like they have met them all?"
    -Not all that unreasonable when feminists label all men with the same derogatory names. Or propose outlandish ideas that men should be taught not to rape.

    Equating all members of an enemy group as being the same is to be expected. Especially if you've interacted with many and have only had bad experiences. Your faith in them will be diminished and it is only reasonable that you no longer trust them.

    • "if you've interacted with many and have only had bad experiences" have you thought of the possibility that You might need to change, rather than shun?

    • @SarahsSummer I am not a MGTOW myself but I have studied the whole thing and I would think I understand them. And no, often, it really just is other people who screw you over. I don't see how a man can be told to "look at himself" if it were the women who divorced him and took his stuff and kids.

    • That's too bad. You still have some growing to do.

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  • Most MGTOW men don't post anything on the internet. What you see is the small minority that are angry and post to vent.

    Judging all MGTOW by this small minority is misleading. Most of us just want to be left alone. One big part of MGTOW is in fact not trying to change things, if you're on Youtube posting videos like sandman and others, you arn't really being MGTOW IMHO.

    I would say the majority of MGTOW men haven't even heard of MGTOW. They just make a decision (most of the time it's not even a conscious decision) to avoid women and the trouble they cause. They do a cost/benefit analysis and simply walk away.

    It's normal for men to not talk about things like this, why would you think it's the average MGTOW that posts? It's not, it's only a tiny few and so what you perceive as MGTOW isn't.

    The only time I've ever posted about MGTOW is in response to misleading representations such as what I see here. Other than that I simply go my own way.

    I often wonder why this makes women so angry, hey i'm not catcalling you, I'm not annoying you asking you out for dates, I'm not even LOOKING at you. All I'm doing is trying to limit contact for my own protection. If a women walking alone at night in a bad area of town avoided contact with a strange guy no one would fault her for doing so as it's a completely rational decision. Some men are dangerous, just as some women are. They just cause damage in different ways.

    Women have become quite toxic and dangerous to men, it's a rational choice to limit contact. Simple as that.



    • I have observed this and found MGTOW of your type also. Those, who are true MGTOW and not the vocal, bitter ones. With that said i don't have any problems with actual MGTOW, who don't even interact with women or call them hypergamous gold diggers on every occasion they see a woman. If anything: That's how MGTOW is supposed to be.

    • Thanks Unit, I'm sitting here getting ready to go help an old women in my neighborhood who got screwed over by some jerk she hired to work on her home and left it half finished. I'm doing this for free because she is a nice person who I remember when I was a kid growing up in the area. Contrary to the portrait of the worthless basement dwelling MGTOW I have a nice home, a good job and keep myself fit. I rock climb, cycle , play some basketball to keep in shape and enjoy learning. I didn't vote for Trump, in fact I was a volunteer for the DNC. I'm not some right wing misogynist. I doubt if anyone I know even knows I'm MGTOW. I feel no need to advertise it. I'm just going my own way and seeking my own happiness and fulfillment in life. I look at the women around me and how they interact with them men in their lives. How society views me and my role in it. I just decided that I'm not disposable and made the rational choice to avoid a bad situation. MGTOW 17 years and counting.

    • That's very cool actually. We don't see that often around especially if MGTOW like you are so silent and discrete about it. I remember MGTOW advising not to disclose to anyone, that you're a MGHOW since people rarely understand things, that they never heard of and more so when they don't want to learn. Anyway i see you're reaping the full benefits by being a MGHOW while maintaining a rational mind. I respect that. You see the dude, who got the MHO here was at the moment a MGHOW but then left this website and also MGTOW due to it's vocal and bitter misogynists - just like those, that you have described. Seeking your own happiness is natural. Sure, it can be a part of MGTOW, no doubts. I think it's just the right thing to do in general. More respect to you since you claim personal responsibilities and avoid bad situations instead of blaming the others (women and "blue pills"). You kind of sound like me. All power to you.

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  • MGTOW is basically the male equivalent of feminists. I'd love to see all MGTOW's and feminists locked up into a giant room together and just see what happens.

    • Long enough and they'd end up making babies. lol.

    • @SarahsSummer I wonder if their parents views would end up cancelling each other out or if the babies would end up hating both sexes lol.

    • Hopefully, they're parents would let them figure thing out for themselves rather than to taint them. At least that's what a good parent would do.

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  • Well no that's just people's misconceptions of mgtow, it just sounds like you've made it up or assumed them. MGTOW talk about feminism because men everyday are oppressed through dating, marriage and relationships due to the system we have in the west.

  • I am, in effect, MGTOW but I need no support group. I just decided that I would rather do without than accept (again) what Western women have become... by and large useless except for easy sex but are too damn dangerous. Like Opioids, you know you are addicted (to pussy in this case) but you know you will ultimately suffer injury, such as being slaughtered in divorce where judges favor women even if they are serial adulteresses. So I shopped in The Orient and Latin America in English speaking areas and Voila! Been with her a while now. I wake up every day feeling I have cheated fate.

  • Really great take, I have nothing else to say ^-^

    • This is a question.

    • Sorry, looked like a mytake to me. But yes, MGTOW is totally not logic.

  • Do you say the same thing to feminists.

  • Calm down, idiot

  • Please try to remember that some of these guys who identify as MGTOW could have come through a painful divorce or break up so their emotions could be a bit raw.

    Also a lot of the most vocal are in the minority and they have to 'vent' at whom ever happens to trip their switch at the time, just as there are those women who identify as Feminist react in exactly the same way.

    People are people and all their reactions will be different.

  • The so-called MGTOW movement has developed a life of its own by a lot of media-driven BS. It started as just a lot of men pissed off after being screwed over in divorce courts which is totally fair enough. Unless you have lost everything and put into a lifetime of debt you never deserved you will never understand what that is like but what you are seeing now is a lot of extremists much the same as you see feminist extremists.

    • I agree.

    • I look at Red Pill like Scientology. It’s a cult based off a movie. MGTOW is a branch of Red Pill.

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