Why would masturbating at a nude beach be offensive?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Masturbating in front of someone and staring at them is a different story. I'm talking about people minding their own business and doing their own thing in public so if that's a problem, why even normalize nudity? It doesn't hurt anyone you say? Then people jerking off and not interacting with anyone doesn't harm anyone as well. They're just trying to relieve themselves. So what's the big deal? If it's that's a big deal for nudists then they should also understand why nudity is a big deal to most people and they shouldn't push their agenda on them.

[Katie1964]

Why would masturbating at a nude beach be offensive?

Yes it would be offensive to most people and would probably get you ejected, ticketed or even arrested.

Masturbating in front of someone and staring at them is a different story. I'm talking about people minding their own business and doing their own thing in public so if that's a problem, why even normalize nudity?

Because nudity and lewd behavior are two different things.

It doesn't hurt anyone you say? Then people jerking off and not interacting with anyone doesn't harm anyone as well. They're just trying to relieve themselves.

Performing sexual acts in front of people that are not consenting to view those acts is offensive to most people.

So what's the big deal? Because nudist and people in clothing optional locations consent to seeing others nude. They have not consented to watching someone play with themselves.

If it's that's a big deal for nudists then they should also understand why nudity is a big deal to most people and they shouldn't push their agenda on them.

They do understand and they don't push their agenda on anyone. They go to beaches and resorts that are specified as nudist or clothing optional. Any real nudist will not go to a textiled beach and undress, only an exhibitionist/pervert would. In nudist or clothing location people put themselves in specific locations that are seperated from the rest and designated as nudist or clothing optional.

In short, the big difference is the consent of the other people.

To your point, there are swingers clubs and other locations that masturbation would be accepted and the people in those locations would have consented to being in that type of environment. These places are just not the same as nudist/clothing optional locations.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Anyone can also say the same thing about just being nude in public as well which is a nude behavior which is why many people are still against it yet you wanna protest anyways. And there you are justifying anyone getting arrested for just doing their own thing because it's "lewd" So why even go naked in the first place? Freedom you want? As long as it doesn't hurt anyone? Then it's also freedom for people do masturbate in public as long as they're not hurting anyone. "the big difference is the consent of the other people." No one is masturbating in front of them. You know, i heard this argument from nudists a lot. "If you don't like it, don't look" so why can't they do the same thing? It just proves how hypocritical they can be.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If i ask why is there even a nude colony in the first place. Anyone can pretty much use the same justification as masturbating in public and say isn't pervy.

[Katie1964]

As I said, there are locations that welcome masturbation. Those places are for performing the acts you. The people there have consented to viewing that, its just a different place than a typical nudist location. It's respecting others boundaries. I understand you are against public nudity, and society in general is against it as well, that is why nudist and clothing optional locations are segregated from other locations. So people who find nudity offensive do not have to see other people naked.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You see, the way it's categorized just actually complicated things. It's kinda like you cherry pick on what's natural and cherry pick the act that only benefits your views. The way you say it's lewd to masturbate in public is not different from ordinary people to say it's lewd to go naked in public. Except ordinary people have nothing that shows their hypocrisy while nudists do. It leads to the conclusion that they're basically just wanting attention and more attention they get the more offended they are.

[Mansearching]

@aiko_e_lara Seems to me you're one of those people who gets against something just to be against something. Doesn't matter the subject.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Mansearching Then I can also say thesame thing to anyone against the idea of masturbating at a nude beach. But in the end of the day, your arguments backfires your logic.

[Mansearching]

No. Masterbating in public regardless of the time and place is disgusting and the person should be held accountable for it. In public like a nude beach is still against the law (repetative). Being at a nude beach is not. Having an erection or hard nipples or how ever women show physically their version or an erection is not against the law. So my logic still stands. You're against anything just to be against it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You see how you like to call your nudity not disgusting and diss off people having a point of view saying that masturbating in public is not disgusting just shows that you are being hypocritical about this situation. And if you like to say that i am again anything just to be against it, the new are basically sounding the same when it comes to someone just masturbating in public despite not hurting anyone. You just like to say it's disgusting and should be against the law without any further explanation. Then that should be the same thing for anyone being just nude in front of anyone. Unless you're a complete hypocrite

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Mansearching Oh goodie you've actually entered a thread here. I can just respond to you here since you've blocked me in your thread. Now about what you just said "You are probably the only one on here that feels nudity is like being a devil. Get out of your box. Nudity is natural. Masterbation is more against all biblical law than nudity." <--- I can just say, While you're feeling the same thing to anyone who masturbates in public and apparently it's ok? I don't use the bible but I use science. What's more natural for humans is to actually wear clothes and it's because we don't have fur to protect us from predators and the weather which is what gets us to be more civilized and more "humane" and learn how to suppress our sexual urges with the help of clothes. If you wanna compare us to animals because they're naked all the time which is "natural", they're also the ones who aren't so developed and who lack morality which is why rape and polygamy is a pretty common thing in the animal kingdom. So if you say being naked is natural, then I can also say so is rape and polygamy.

[PetiteMisSmooth546]

Just don't do it

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I have no intentions to go there anyways. My intention of asking this is to prove a point of how much they just explained masturbating being wrong in public like how "narrow minded" we are when it comes to public nudity.

[snackthatsmilesback]

The thing is that everybody's naked all the time. That's why we have to wear clothes all the time to hide it. But all you have to do to not masturbate is... nothing. You don't have to do shit. It's automatic natural part of existing to not masturbate. In fact you have to try, you have to do shit TO masturbate. So.

Yeah it has health benefits like nudity does, yeah it feels nice like nudity, but also it feels nice in a particular way... it has health benefits in a particular way. You can't do it most of the time or those benefits change to drastic negatives, very unlike nudity. The only time nudity becomes a negative is due to weather or some external shit. Masturbating can actually be bad for you just in itself if u do it too much.

So while nah it shouldn't be so seen as horrible nasty thing, parents shouldn't punish their kids for masturbating or any shit like that... but also, there's not much or any real benefit to allowing it in public. Almost anyone can easily get a good amount in in private. Orif not rlly private, at least out of public space.

Whereas nudity, there often times and places you could be nude in public and see health and even some social benefits. In private we're already nude often, but can still see benefits to opening public areas for it. So there's reason to try and make it normalized. Even if not everywhere, then in some regular and pubic areas. Make sense?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And what else is automatic is the instinct of feeling a shame when being naked which most people have and they all have control over it which is aware clothes as we are civilized. We all evolve to wear clothes as we gain morality from building civilization. We wear clothes because we don't have fur that can hide our bodies and to protect us from the weather and sexual acts which is something we all the have. You don't do "nothing" to prevent hormones from raging because we are all naturally designed to procreate. So if you're really like to say that being naked is natural because animals are also naked, they are also the ones who are not civilized who lacks morality which is why rape and polygamy is pretty common in the animal kingdom which makes it also "natural". And by the way if you say that being naked feels nice and healthy in particular ways, i can also say something about masturbation which is a way to stimulate our natural hormones so we don't use it on other people.

[snackthatsmilesback]

I don't believe you even read my reply. I didn't ever use animals as justification because obviously that's a stupid fucking argument, so why would I? When I said it has health benefits and feels good, like nudity does, the "it" there was masturbating. I know it has benefits, and I agree it's perfectly natural. It shouldn't be kept from public life "because it's shameful" either—but keep reading until the end please. Shame over nudity isn't "natural" or kids would naturally be ashamed, not just after we've taught them to keep their stupid clothes on. There's whole groups of people who are developed modern day people, who also don't wear hardly any clothes (because of weather) and/or are totally cool with public nudity. I assume you don't really believe that our civilization deciding nudity was bad makes every civilization who disagrees "unciviliazed," primitive or animalistic. Cause that'd be just a really shit take. Anyway thanks for reading this far if you did! If you wanna know why I actually think nudity should be allowed publicly but not masturbating, just read the last 2 paragraphs of my first reply. That covers it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's obvious that is the thing you are trying to imply because if you like to say natural like we are living organisms trying to live normally then, what also animals do but the point is we are made different that's why what is natural for us human being is different meaning to say what is natural for us is to actually wear clothes. And you see i really love how you say it shouldn't be kept from public life because it is shameful, but that is exactly what we are also trying to say about people being used in public but you just like to diss it off anyway. It's kinda hypocritical if you think about it.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Wtf are you saying. "Obviously" no it's not. Natural is irrelevant to being allowed in public. I mentioned natural to grant you common ground between nudity and masturbating. That's all. Idc what other people say. I said I don't think it's shameful, AND I don't see why it should be allowed in public. Both. Whereas nudity, I also don't think it's shameful, but I DO see a reason to allow it in public. Can you even tell me what that 1 reason was? I'm not saying it again. Also what is "people being used" refer to? And what did I diss? I know my reading comprehension low but fuck man you gotta be in the same boat or something like that.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You know your reasoning about why you don't find being naked in public shameful can also be the same reasoning if people don't find masturbating in public shameful. Because if it's no secret that most people are not a sexual masturbate anyways and they just do it in private, it doesn't really make a difference if you are just aware. After all you're "not hurting anyone" just like how you are "not hurting anyone" by being naked in public. But you're only reasoning why is because they are just different you say. There is also a big difference between wearing clothes and not wearing clothes you know which is why most people wear clothes and actually ban naked pictures in any mainstream social medias. But you don't care i see, well people should stop caring about masturbating in public as well.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Yeah no you must have some shit going on where you actually can't understand what im saying. There's no other reason you'd still be arguing with things I never said. Good luck with that bye.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And i don't think you're actually understood the point of his question as well as i give you arguments that can backfire your own logic.

[snackthatsmilesback]

You're rebutting logic you made up—cuz I ain't said that. U making up arguments, pretend I said them, and then take those down. Practice reading arguments. Finding the conclusion and premises (reasons). Basic shit. No shame I also sucked at that typa thing, and still kinda do, but i took a class on it and it helped at least. I can usually see what someone's saying sorta, or if I don't then I can also catch on to that and ask for clarification. Rlly u should try. It helps a lot for learning new shit and making sure u ain't accidentally believe something kinda dumb. 👍

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you're trying to deny what you are actually trying to say. And i'm not just talking about you but nudist in general and their general logic. How about your practice comprehending what you said because there is actually no point of actually trying to differentiate them saying that masturbating is like this is because it is in sexual while masturbating is and there is no benefit doing it in public, i could argue otherwise the same way about how you say being naked in public has a benefit to masturbating and public. Such as trying to relieve yourself whenever you want but if that's not a benefit then being naked in public isn't beneficial because no one else is suffering a great condition just because they're wearing clothes. but instead you just like to prove your hypocrisy. I really love how you're saying goodbye but you came back anyways. That is another way to prove you don't know what you're saying

[WanderingLoveWizard]

Right? And people should be able to fuck eachother and have orgies too. They're not hurting anyone. If you don't like it, don't look!

(Sarcasm)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I was talking about masturbation not fucking each other. And yeah if you don't like it, don't look is what they always say so what's the big deal?

[WanderingLoveWizard]

Because masturbation is a sexual act my guy. It's the same as sex in the eyes of the law. Whether it's acceptable to society or not is up for debate, but good luck making that argument in front of a judge

[WanderingLoveWizard]

@Aiko_E_Lara I see your point though, and you make convincing arguments, but it's just not how it works. Maybe in the future as morals decline, but not right now

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then it is the same as claiming that just being naked in front of anyone is a sexual act. You like to argue a lot that it's not hurting anyone then guess what? So is just masturbating and minding their own business. You only like to make a big deal on something that you think is inappropriate like you just get to decide on what is inappropriate or not

[WanderingLoveWizard]

I don't agree with nudist in general. I they're fucked

[WanderingLoveWizard]

People definitely get off in some way by walking around naked in public like a bunch of goofballs. I'm not going near them anyway, so if they wanna start jacking off too, that's fine by me

[MrOracle]

The whole point of a nude beach or a nudist colony is to separate being nude from being sexual. At every nude beach I'm aware of in the US, masturbation would expose you to being arrested and convicted as a sex offender, which would follow you for the rest of your life.

Be aware that your actions have consequences, and fighting the government in court is an expensive enterprise.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I didn't ask this because I have intentions of doing it at any nudist colony. I wouldn't go to any of those because I'm against public nudity in the first place. I'm asking this to actually prove a point. If the point if being nude is because freedom of doing so is what they want, then freedom is what they get and people should also be free to just masturbate and do their thing without harassing anyone. And if they like to make it a big deal and say anyone who masturbate deserves to be arrested, then it's not different if someone protests about public nudity being illegal. They like to talk about how it inappropriate is but they don't see themselves being naked in front of anyone as inappropriate. It just shows how hypocritical that agenda can be.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also i'd like to point out how they cherry pick on what's natural which are the only thing that benefits them while ignoring the consequences and the downside about nudity. It's just like saying "it's ok to not brush your teeth but it's not ok if your breath stinks"

[Red_Arrow]

You are really off in space. First, the term "nudist colony" went out long ago because nude resorts and nude beaches, etc., are not colonies of any kind! Nudity in a nude resort is not in a public place, it is private property. And nude beaches are accepted as places that one can go nude because they are known as nude beaches and people who want to avoid them can do so and not be "offended". If the nude people wander off the nude beach onto a non-nude beach they can be arrested.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Red_Arrow You see, the way it's categorized just actually complicated things. It's kinda like the reasoning is you wanna cherry pick on what's natural and cherry pick the act that only benefits your views. "If the nude people wander off the nude beach onto a non-nude beach they can be arrested." That's not stopping the nudism parade now is it? The way you say it's lewd to masturbate in public or when there are people around is not different from ordinary people to say it's lewd to go naked in public even in designated places for it. Except ordinary people have nothing that shows their hypocrisy while nudists do. It leads to the conclusion that they're basically just wanting attention and more attention they get the more offended they are.

[Red_Arrow]

What nudism parade? What are you rambling about? I said masturbation is a sex act. And you should know that a sex act in public is illegal. And people saying that it is lewd to go naked in places where it is allowed are wrong. Including you! And people going nude in places where nudity is normal and allowed is not wanting attention. Are you always this nuts?

[MrOracle]

Typically, you are massively moving the goal posts. We were talking about nude beaches, which are designated, posted, fixed locations where nudity is allowed. Nude parades are not within the scope of this discussion, and need to be a separate topic. Nude beaches have laws, and they are posted so that people can't just stumble into them. If you choose to go to a nude beach, you know what you are going to encounter. If you don't agree with people being nude in these designated areas, then don't go there. The reason these places exist is because they cause no harm, and because you can decide to go there or not. There are dozens of non-nude beaches for every nude one, so go there instead if nudity offends you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Red_Arrow And I also stated if that's the case, being nude in front if anyone else is too. And what's disturbing is kids can go to nude beaches which is pretty cringe. If you like to say i'm wrong then I can say you're also wrong for categorizing masturbation as a sexual act (Even tho I'd say both masturbating and just being nude in public are both sexual acts) and say anyone having the idea of making nude beaches specially making it ok for all ages are nuts just to argue at your level. @MrOracle Ok if nude parades are a different topic then he shouldn't bring out the loophole saying going outside nude beaches being naked can get them arrested so which is why i bring that example up. And I've already told you, i have no intentions of masturbating at a nude beach because I don't go naked in front of any strangers anyways but I asked to prove a point. If the point if being nude is because freedom of doing so is what they want, then freedom is what they get and people should also be free to just masturbate and do their thing without harassing anyone. And what you're trying to say is basically like those common arguments from any nudists saying "if you don't like it, don't look" argument when it can also be used against them when it comes to that situation. Again to prove their hypocrisy.

[Red_Arrow]

Nothing wrong with families at nude beaches or resorts. You said you could say I was wrong for categorizing masturbation as a sexual act (I was quoting a legal site that identified it as a sexual act) and then you immediately said you would say masturbating is a sexual act. So you are saying that masturbation is a sexual act but I am wrong for saying exactly that. You better call your psychiatrist for an emergency appointment!

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Red_Arrow No i never said you're wrong for saying masturbating is a sexual act. I can say it shouldn't be a sexual act as a counter argument to anyone saying being nude in front of anyone isn't a sexual act. How about if I just say you need to wear a straight jacket because you need to be in a mental hospital? Easy to bring up something that's not even an argument right?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@MrOracle I actually missed that one. I'll still reply despite this question was made so long ago. As I have said before I have no intentions of going in there but the point of this question is to actually prove how much of a hypocrite that agenda can be. Even if you want to separate nude parades into this topic, there's only one group that advocates for both and they are the nudists. And okay if they didn't want harm, someone just masturbating in there and not really interacting with anyone shouldn't really harm them. They're not even touching them or whatever. Those people masturbating and just minding their own business. And if they don't like the idea, That's also pretty much what's in the mind of anyone against any sort of nudism. The argument "Don't go to nude beaches if it offends you" which I have no intention of going there anyways, it's just like saying "if you don't like, it don't look" which can also be applied to anyone masturbating in there.

[SarahSizzle]

A nudist beach isn't anything to do with sex, it's just people who enjoy/prefer being naked. I can't tell if you're trolling/being sarcastic but I'm surprised if you honestly can't understand why someone masturbating in public in front of people is inappropriate

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And masturbating isn't sex. There's a reason why people who never had sex partners are called virgins despite masturbating a lot. I'm actually being serious in this question. If you all want freedom "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone" then freedom it is. Masturbate "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". And if you nudists make that a big deal, then you're a hypocrite. Can you read the description again? "Masturbating in front of someone and staring at them is a different story. I'm talking about people minding their own business and doing their own thing in public so if that's a problem, why even normalize nudity?"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Same arguments you nudists like to bring up. If you don't like it, don't look. And you say it's that simple?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ofcourse you can't tell if im trolling or not. Because no one else has balls to ask this kind of question. I do. And I have every solid arguments prepared.

[RobT312]

for me, there’s a big difference between sex and nudity. Being a naturist is all about not wearing clothes, it’s non sexual. Having sex in public at a beach or anywhere is something very different….. many would find offensive because it’s a sex act. Being nude is not a sex act. It’s hanging out in nature unclothed, how we were made

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And did I talk about having sex? I'm talking about just masturbating and minding their own business. There's a reason why people who never had sex partners are called virgins despite masturbating a lot. It's no secret that most people would actually masturbate in private fantasizing who knows who and if you know, how is it any different to just actually doing it in public anyways if you 're already aware?

[RobT312]

Ok true, u didn’t say sex, but masturbating is just as bad. It’s a sexual act. I don’t think people should masturbate anywhere in public

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then what would be your logic behind that when you're justifying the normalization of nudity?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"There's a reason why people who never had sex partners are called virgins despite masturbating a lot." if you say that's a sexual act, that's still not harming anyone.

[RobT312]

Non sexual vs sexual

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You know, people can also view nudity as sexual. Because it is also a natural response for the hormones to make people horny when they see anyone's private part. Repeating this phrase again "There's a reason why people who never had sex partners are called virgins despite masturbating a lot." if you say that's a sexual act, that's still not harming anyone.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're treating our private parts as if it's not a reproductive organ. It is a FACT that they're reproductive organs and exposing them can still be considered sexual. There's a reason why you don't see nude pictures online unless you type in "porn" in it. If you say it's just nudity, then i say it's just masturbation.

[RobT312]

I agree, sex and sexual acts don’t hurt anyone. I just feel it’s behavior that’s personal and should be kept private, not extroverted. Learn from animals…even they find private safe places for sex, they don’t do it out in the open

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Again im not talking about sex. And if you say it's personal then people should be justified to get grossed out by nudity. And no, animals only find a private and safe places for sex is because they don't wanna be attacked another animal competing for them. It's not because they feel it's inappropriate. And you do realize that rape is a pretty common thing in the animal kingdom right?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also because they don't want their exes to see them cheat as animals are polygamous. Now is it ok to cheat because it's natural and what animals do?

[RobT312]

Exactly! Learn from the animals…. masturbate in private so you’re not attacked!!! Poly is a whole separate topic. Anyways it’s fine if we disagree but my opinion is masturbation should not happen in public.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Poly is still what animals do. And you're justifying predatory behavior like attacking someone when having sex. You might as well justify rape because it's also what animals do.

[RobT312]

Again 2 completely different topics. Your post asked about lewd behavior on a naked beach, and I’m opposed to it because. It’s sex act vs. nudity

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I guess it's only a different topic because that's a relevant thing you don't wanna talk about which can be used against your agenda. In other words, you're just cherry picking without taking a look at the other side of the story. If that's the case, there's no need for me to learn from animals because I'm a human and humans are different from other animals. 2 different things.

[Red_Arrow]

Yes, you talked about sex! According to the lawinsider. com masturbation is included in the list of things that are considered sex acts. Just a reference for you since most people are smart enough to figure that out for themselves. Obviously, you are not.

[RobT312]

@aiko_e_lara I am just answering your question. My opinion is naturism and sex acts are 2 different things. One is not sexual and the other is., and one should be kept in privacy. I agree with @red_arrow 100%

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yet you failed to realize how sex is being a part of nature which is exactly why you don't tell a lion not to have sex. Nudity is also something sexual which is why it's a taboo in the first place. So yeah if you like to say that masturbation is a sexual act then so is being nude in front of anyone. They just do. If you wanna go naked in public because it's natural, then I can also argue that doing sexual act is also a natural thing to do. We humans are just suppression it. Also if you don't like talking about "2 different things" then why bring up animals in this? We are 2 different things.

[matchrestore]

Yes it would be. Its likely illegal as well depending on where you did it. Most laws that allow for nudity still forbid sexual activity.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And why would masturbating in public be inappropriate and bothersome when you all like to argue "If you don't like it, don't look" when someone is naked in public? Why isn't that even an easy thing for you to do? If being naked in front of anyone doesn't hurt you say, then so is masturbating but why make it a big deal?

[Sirenboobzilla]

Depends on the etiquette of the nude beach. Some beaches are open to sexual activity, most are not.

Most nude beaches are intended to behave as a normal beach, with the exception of course that everyone's wearing different variations of the same 'suit.' You can't masturbate at a regular beach, so that applies. Some of those beaches are also treated as family beaches. The nude beach I go to is such a one where people do bring their kids. Not likely anyone there would take kindly to the sight of someone relieving themselves there.

I did visit one where sex is allowed (using allowed loosely ad I've never seen anything against it) in France a few years ago. For the most part people were minding their own business while around others having sex.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then that's cherry picked. It's like you only get to decide on what's "normal". "Normal person" and "Naked in front of anyone" just doesn't go well together just to be real. And why would masturbating in public be inappropriate and bothersome when you all like to argue "If you don't like it, don't look" when someone is naked in public? Why isn't that even an easy thing for you to do?

[Sirenboobzilla]

How am i the one deciding what's normal? I merely stated that most nude beaches follow the same rules as any other beach minus the dress code. What's normal is subjective. I've been around nudist culture since I was 16 so it's my norm. As such I can tell you from experience that what you're describing isn't part of the norm.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well that proves it. That's hypocrisy. I have no intentions to go there anyways. My intention of asking this is to prove a point of how much they just explained masturbating being wrong in public like how "narrow minded" we are when it comes to public nudity.

[Sirenboobzilla]

That you can't separate sex and sexual activity from nudity is on you

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Which basically what most people are. It's not really different if we say public nudity is something sexual when your private parts are literally reproductive organs used for sex and exposed. "But but but we're born with it" oh yeah? So are people getting hormones when they reach puberty unless they're asexual. Chances are you know that most people would actually just masturbate in private. Most people would think that except it's just a taboo to actually talk about it. And if you know, how is it any different if they're just gonna do it in public anyways if you already know? Saying you don't know about that, you're lying to yourself. You know what else is "natural" if you like to say that even animals go naked, you may not realize how common rape and polygamy is in the animal kingdom which is also a "natural" thing.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Which is basically what most people are and why most people wear clothes.

[FeelingGroovy]

Go try it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Nice reverse psychology. I should also tell nudists to go naked in public in the middle east.

[FeelingGroovy]

It's not reverse psychology. It's mental judo, and I won. I just got you to argue against yourself. Easy Peasy.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you think what you said actually worked on me, perhaps you read the update of the description? Here's what I said. "I didn't ask this because I have intentions of doing it at any nudist colony. I wouldn't go to any of those because I'm against public nudity in the first place. I'm asking this to actually prove a point." Because there's just no way of telling if you're just a moron like those nudists who go out of their way get naked in public and make parades about it or you're just ignorant about the point of this question. That's not mental judo. That's just ignorance.

[FeelingGroovy]

Nudists go to special areas. Only liberal pedophiles do what you're suggesting.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Except they aren't exactly special. The thoughts of being naked in front of anyone specially if there are children around is still pretty cringe despite them being in a "special" area. Sure I can say that because I'm not the one who'd also masturbate in there. But if they'd make that a big deal then showing hypocrisy. If they say being naked alone doesn't harm anyone and it's natural then anyone can say thesame thing about masturbating. It doesn't harm anyone but see, they're making that a big deal for whatever hypocritical reason.

[FeelingGroovy]

I'm talking about special areas with no kids.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well that's not the nude beaches in general. Most nude beaches do allow kids and I maybe more tolerant if kids aren't allowed in there but that doesn't really change the thoughts. It's still hypocritical

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also an excuse actually just show them off

[FeelingGroovy]

So don't go to nude beaches.

[FeelingGroovy]

You haven't bored me to death, but I'm near death. Have a nice day.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"So don't go to nude beaches." <--- That argument is like "If you don't like it, don't look" then why isn't that simple to do when it comes to masturbating in public? "You haven't bored me to death, but I'm near death. Have a nice day." <--- Don't forget to rot as soon as possible. And as for you Ms. verbal Judo master, I see you're just deleting my response and I know you're just gonna delete this. Maybe you aren't so tough with your verbal judo after all. I know you're gonna delete this, I can delete your comments too you know and I bet you want it because you're getting embarrassed

[megabamse]

Don't masturbate in public anywhere is the rule

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then being naked in public should also be a rule

[megabamse]

If you can't control yourself when you see someone naken then you should maybe not be in public

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then if you can't control yourself not being naked in public then maybe you should leave society. It's like you only get to decide on what's natural or not.

[megabamse]

Being naked IS natural, it's quite literally natural. And to go on dedicated places where you can freely be naked is pr definition control. It's a controlled area that is limited to that given space to be naked. A nudist beach or a nudist club or what ever. It can't be done without propper paperwork and what not and rules to be enforced for them to be allowed to do so within that space they have been given. So i dare to say they are rather controlled in that sense. Also if people are to be randomly nude outside of these spaces In a public space then it is pr law illegal and what punishment given to them is up to what the laws dictated where ever in the world this is. How ever what 99.9% of the time is not legal is public sexual acts, and masturbating Infront of people even hidden is pr law illegal, also other sexual acts is also illegal. So they are being controlled, living within the rules and the norm given for the context. You don't have control and are breaking the norm within the context and you also are breaking the law.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh you wanna talk about something natural? You're ignoring the fact that we've evolved so much through the millenniums and we evolved and build society with clothes which protects us from the whether, temperature and even potentially getting anyone aroused which creates our instincts of being ashamed and unsafe when getting naked as also we developed morality as we evolve. Another thing that's actually natural is sex and we're all designed to get horny and look for mates and not having to suppress it that time due to the population being so little that time and that instinct is still in us which is also another reason why we wear clothes and what made nudity sexual. If you like to argue that even animals are naked, you're overlooking the fact that rape is a pretty common thing in the animal kingdom since they don't have any morality like humans do and us humans use to be like that before civilization. It's like you choose what's natural or not. You only cherry pick on the natural things that you like to hear while ignoring the rest.

[megabamse]

Ok so your would be fine if 6 grown men would sitt around you in a circle jurking off while looking at you?

[megabamse]

Also they are not doing this for you or people like you. They don't care about people like you. They are doing this for them self and with people like them self. And what they do within the rules and space that have been given them is nothing you have any concerns about what so ever. You can not like it, but you don't have to do it, you don't have to be there. No one is telling you to see it or be there. Just because you like to sitt on balloons and jurk off to anime don't mean people need to like it, but one thing is for sure, no one should care and it's non of anyone's business what you do.

[megabamse]

No one really cares if someone is offended. Nothing at all happens. Your offended? So what? Then just be offended. To get offended by so many things and care so much about what other people do is just a way to show how mentally limited you are. It just shows how angry and miserable you really are. Unable to be happy. People like you is a perfect follower, but a terrible leader. There is no freedom in your limited mind.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I never said anything about jerking off in front anyone. Here's what I said. "Masturbating in front of someone and staring at them is a different story" I like how you read my update but didn't even read the description. And no I wouldn't be OK with anyone masturbating infront of anyone for thesame reason I'm not ok with any strangers naked infront of anyone. And if they don't care about the likes of people like me, then they shouldn't really care about anyone just masturbating and minding their own business then. This argument again "You can not like it, but you don't have to do it, you don't have to be there. No one is telling you to see it or be there. " <-- when that can easily be said to anyone against masturbation in nude beaches. If you don't like it, don't look. Now why isn't that a simple thing to do? Because you're all hypocrites?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Then just be offended. To get offended by so many things and care so much about what other people do is just a way to show how mentally limited you are. It just shows how angry and miserable you really are. Unable to be happy. People like you is a perfect follower, but a terrible leader. There is no freedom in your limited mind." <--- Geez if that's the case, why not take your own advice? I mean you're all in for the rules that there should be no one masturbating in your colony. So why can't you take your own advice?

[megabamse]

It's not my rules your dumbass hahaha it's the law. I did not make the laws. Jezz

[megabamse]

Your a Kyle aren't you haha that's what we call a male Karen.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well i'm just here to prove your hypocrisy. As i have said, i am not infer masturbating and public being legal because i am not in for being naked in public nor with any strangers legal in the first place. Sure you didn't make the rules but what proves my point is you being hypocritical. And it's your kyle and karens that got your nude beach and nude parades in the first place.

[megabamse]

Won't surprise me at all if your turn out to be a mass shooter one day.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you see how you lost an argument? Yeah that's right you have nothing else to disprove your hypocrisy which is why you go straight to ad hominems. And to say what exactly you're saying, I can also say it won't surprise me you'd perform mass genocidal rape one day.

[megabamse]

Ah must be so lonely for your brain cells

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Unlike you who have no brain cells to begin with

[megabamse]

Hahahaha i have several degrees and knows several languages. I understand that there are millions of people with millions of options and millions of way to enjoy life. It's not up to us what others do, the only thing that is up to us is what we do. The "me" what do I do, i mean. I understand that, and several other knows that. It's a shame you have such a need for Total control and almost dictator ship way of thinking. Close minded people do more pain in this world then anything.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Lol who asked? I can also give you an anecdote that I'm the president of the world. But in the end that doesn't matter because we don't know each other. And it's funny you can't say the same thing when it comes to public masturbation. Im here to prove a point about your hypocrisy about calling people close minded being against public nudity when there you are being karens about masturbating in public. Hypocrites like you are also a total pain.

[megabamse]

How can that even be compared at all? You in away saying you can go to a car shop with an airplane and saying "so what they both have an engine" but in reality it's not the same at all

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you like to say being naked doesn't hurt anyone then anyone can have the same agenda when it comes to just masturbating without interacting with anyone. They're just minding their own business. We view being naked as inappropriate the same way you view masturbating publicly inappropriate so yes they both involve the same principles. Would you like to explain how masturbating in public is inappropriate? Then that would also explain why we say being naked in public is inappropriate. And for your analogy, one can easily understand how a car technician can't fix a plane it's because they don't have the knowledge of fixing a plane. That reasoning can't be used when it comes to fixing a car if he's a "car technician". However, explaining how masturbating in public is inappropriate is just saying it's just inappropriate EXACTLY like how anti nudists would explain how being nude in public is inappropriate.

[megabamse]

My god your dumb. These nudist are naked in a nudist club or area. They are not naked in a park or in a mall or something. Your line of though is the same as you golfing in a water park. And doing a slip and slide in a golf club. It's simple, you golf where it's a golf club and you slimp and slide in the water park. Same as the nudist is nude where they are allowed to ne nude. And to take your example of masturbating, it's the same as oh the maternity ward they have babies. So why not go there and have sex in order to make a baby. Just because both has the baby element in it somehow do not mean at all its the same at all.

[megabamse]

We choose what we sexualize or not. If we find a bag of bricks sexy then hell yeah, or a jar of eggs go for it. But just because someone is naked you choose that as your argument to masturbate in the same setting? Does that mean if your grandparents and your grandparents friends of the same age had a sauna day sitting around naked in the sauna then you should then masturbate? Well they are all naked right? A group of people, older people in this setting, naked, all together. Oooh masturbation time, right?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well im basing in on science and what's actually our natural instinct that makes us decide on what's sexual. Our society evolved and become more and more humane with morality as people started to wear clothes. Animals who are always naked don't have the sense of morality us humans have which is why animal instincts such as polygamy and rape is pretty common in the wilds. And where did I say they go to that place only to masturbate or going to that place because they want to masturbate in front of people? You're making that reasoning up. If that's the case, I can just assume you go to a sauna or nude beaches just to show off your penises if that's the case.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I'm talking about people who go to nude beaches to actually enjoy and only masturbate when they feel like it. But if you wanna assume they only go there for that purpose, what's the difference if I assume you only go there just to show off?

[megabamse]

Huff your a lonely guy huh?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And there goes that ad hominems again for running out of logic. I can ask you, You're a sex offender huh?

[megabamse]

Well i have sex at least hahaha have you had sex yet?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yes i do but at least i haven't raped anyone like you do

[megabamse]

I remember that time i rapes your mother, was epic

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then that means you admit you're a rapist and you like to pass your stupid genes to everyone. You just called me dumb, maybe you are the main source.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Your stupidity is the main source that's why i'm smarter than you

[megabamse]

You can call me father ;) hi son

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And how does this even matter again? If your my dad then i roasted the hell out of you for being a deadbeat lol

[megabamse]

Uuuh so angry this little one, did not get your nap?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you're so angry for being a deadbeat. Not enough beer?

[megabamse]

I actually don't drink alcohol or use drugs :) don't need it to have fun 😊 i have not been angry or annoyed once during this chat with you. I have how ever laughed a lot reading and writing in this discussion, because you sir are hilarious 😂

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Lol then I can also say I actually had my nap. I have not been angry or annoyed once. I do find you whining funny

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So what other assumptions you can think off? I'll be here waiting to backfire your own logic again.

[megabamse]

Hahaha your cute 🥰

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Haha you're nasty

[megabamse]

Just a fan

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just a wannabe

[megabamse]

Oh yes i do want to be like you, so down to earth, so creative and so relevant:) must be something

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then your whole arguments are a waste because wanting to be like me means you agree with me anyways

[megabamse]

I can never live up to your standards, teach me obi wan

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well it's too much for your small brain to process unfortunately

[megabamse]

God you are so smart. The most intelligent Incel i mett

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you're dumbest sex offender i met

[megabamse]

Respect your father ;)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Respect anyone who deserve it.

[megabamse]

So what you been doing to day my son?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So what you been doing to day random stranger?

[megabamse]

I went on a date, went on a hike and now I'm at work, nightshift at the hospital

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I'm the president of the world

[megabamse]

Such a good boy. You need some cash for sex? I know you struggle to get it for free so.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Such a soy boy. Need beer and baby bottle to calm yourself down?

[megabamse]

Neeh I can just go home to the date I had and get a warm human being cuddling with me. Get that lovely skin to skin contact you don't see much of ;)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then neeh, I can just go home to the date I had and get a warm human being with me in a nice private place I deserve.

[megabamse]

That reminds me, say hello to your mother from me

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That reminds me, Say hello to your mental doctor for me

[megabamse]

Oh yes he said your his favorite pasient

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's because i'm treatable unlike you

[megabamse]

Hihi I'm the science experiment

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Which explained your brain failure

[megabamse]

Well it don't explain yours sadly

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Because there's nothing to diagnose. Unlike yours

[megabamse]

Ah to be so confident and small all at once

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you be so confident about your brain damage all at once

[megabamse]

What a brave little boy you are

[Aiko_E_Lara]

What a weak little boy you are

[megabamse]

Hihi hahahahaha if I'm weak i wonder what that makes you hahaha can you do 9km run in 25 minutes?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And if i can't run 9km in 25 minute, i wonder what that makes you. Can you even get up on bed?

[megabamse]

I'm 6.1 hahaha

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then im 6.2 haha

[megabamse]

But off the boks, real talk. No shit talk. How are you?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

But off the boks, real talk. No shit talk. Ok

[megabamse]

Ok but could be better? I get how that is

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're not showing you are ok. I get how that is

[megabamse]

I'm for the most part good :)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

But could be better. I get how that is

[megabamse]

Exactly

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well if we're exactly thesame then you agreed with all of my points and what you call me is what you call yourself

[megabamse]

Hah we are not the same, but we are humans.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So that's why I'm smarter than you. And my arguments still stands

[megabamse]

Hihi your cute

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Hihi your nasty

[megabamse]

Hah but you like that ;)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Hah but you like that

[megabamse]

Eeh life is fun

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Eeh no one said it isn't

[megabamse]

Do you game?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Do you game?

[megabamse]

Yes, used to game on PC, but the past few years only on PS4.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then yes but that's not relevant to the main topic here.

[megabamse]

We are way past that my darling

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you are pass that then why are you still on my post?

[megabamse]

It's fun to talk to you, it's entertainment for me at this point basically hehe

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So it's entertainment for you to lose credibility i see

[megabamse]

There you go again hahaha never failing to entertain 😉

[Aiko_E_Lara]

There you go again hahaha never failing to entertain 😉

[megabamse]

So little one, done anything fun lately?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So little one, done anything fun lately?

[megabamse]

Oh yes, a few things ;)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh yes, a few things 😉

[megabamse]

Hm so your 25 years old you say. Yet you behavior don't match it. That can mean several things. One is that you have sosial behavior struggles, often in the sense where you feel sort of like an alien amongst humans and don't really understand them that much often. Sounds familiar?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Hm so your 28 years old you say. Yet you behavior don't match it. That can mean several things. One is that you have sosial behavior struggles, often in the sense where you feel sort of like an alien amongst humans and don't really understand them that much often. Sounds familiar?

[megabamse]

Well I'm off to feel the warmth of my date. Enjoy your day and your life.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well I'm off to feel the warmth of my date. Enjoy your day and your life.

[Mansearching]

One for the duh file

[Mansearching]

For the update: Why would you be against public nudity? You were born naked. Ev1 in that room saw you naked.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I was born naked but I wasn't born in public. And no one knows how I'd look naked now and not even the doctors do. I make exceptions for emergency situations but going to the beach is not an emergency. Also for the same reason why you'd be against masturbating in public. And if you're gonna make that a big deal, then guess what? So does anti nudists having a point of view of your agenda.

[Mansearching]

I don't have an agenda. If you don't wanna be naked at a nude beach, then don't go to said beach. If you do go to said beach, no one there will force you to be nude. Its always optional. My (past) girlfriend and I went to one. She went nude bc she didn't want tan lines on butt or boobs. I went w ith my trunks on. We went for a walk, talked to almost every person, no one said a damn thing about anything. Again if your that against nudity, don't go to said beach. Or you can hide in the corner inside your home and never leave. Just leave people who want to be nude alone and keep personal subjective feelings to yourself.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You see and that is true exactly like saying, if you don't like it then don't look. That can still be applied to anyone masturbating and public again why isn't that a simple thing to do? It is also always optional to look at it or not. Of course no one would say a damn thing because people in the community are nudists anyways but not doesn't exactly remove the fact that there are still thought about it around the world therefore i am here speaking up about it. So if you really want people to leave you alone then how about you also try to leave those people who masturbate there? Oh you just can't and you're still going to prove my point

[Mansearching]

Nudity isn't illegal on a nude beach masterbation is illegal. That's the difference.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Which proves hypocrisy and proves that you just like to choose on what's natural.

[Mansearching]

How? Just bc you're nude does not mean you have to masterbate. The act of it should be private not public. In your house fine. Out in public is lewed and deviant behavior. Public nudity in selected areas isn't. If a man is allowed to walk around with their breast showing so can a female. Now thats hypocritical on any law or people.

[Mansearching]

In which will be a great question on here.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And just because you feel like getting nude infront of anyone doesn't mean you have to be nude infront of anyone. That's also just like saying that. Your own explanation of why masturbating in public shouldn't be allowed can still be used against why being nude in public shouldn't be allowed. The hypocritical part is how you like to dis off the law about public nudity. Now about the breast part, It's also women who receive more attention and sympathy when they get harassed and stared at. When was the last time you heard of a girl getting arrested for touching a man's boobs? When was the last time a guy acted like it's the end of the world because his boobs was accidentally touched by a girl? So if that's the case for women, then we tolerate women less being topless in public. Unless they wanna be treated like men just to be fair which they don't like. So for the masturbating in public question, all you'd like to say is it's because it's inappropriate. No further elaboration. So if that's the case, it's pretty reasonable for people to find public nudity inappropriate.

[Mansearching]

You are probably the only one on here that feels nudity is like being a devil. Get out of your box. Nudity is natural. Masterbation is more against all biblical law than nudity.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Another point about why women are less tolerated for being topless in public. You can compliment a woman's face, clothes, hair and make up without being seen as a creep but women would actually feel uncomfortable if you compliment their boobs the same way you just compliment those other things i mentioned. So it's technically women sexualizing their own boobs. Not to mention they try to use them to seduce men during foreplay. And it is still in fact a sexual organ as it is a part of the reproductive system since no babies can grow naturally without boobs. Men may have them too but they're not functional nor as functional as women's which is why it's not so "reproductive" compared.

[Mansearching]

So you're saying women should dress like nuns all the time?

[Mansearching]

Got to get out of your little box.

[Mansearching]

The way you think suprised your even on any electrical anything.

[LemiaOfThunder]

Not everyone wants to see you jerk the meat

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well not everyone likes to see anyone naked or to know the fact that you're naked in front of strangers. If you like to make that a big deal, it's quite hypocritical if you dis off anyone making nudity a big deal.

[legalboxers]

thats drawing attention to yourself

[Aiko_E_Lara]

A common argument nudists like to bring up is "if you don't like it, don't look" and they don't consider themselves drawing attention for being naked in public for whatever hypocritical reason

[abc--123]

There are beaches where that is what goes on. A true nudist beach isn't like that

[Aiko_E_Lara]

lol you all have your own idea of what's a "true" nude beach just like how you all just have your own idea of what's natural or not. You only cherry pick on those things you like and call them natural if you think it benefits you.

[Anonymous]

Really no point to asking if you've already decided you know the answer and have an argument for every answer you disagree with. Since you're so sure, just go do it and we'll all pretend to be shocked when it didn't go how you thought.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And it would exactly prove my point about how you nudists just like to cherry pick on what's natural without taking a look at the other story. In other words, hypocrisy. It's ironic when you say i have no point asking when you've actually proven my point.