Abortion = murder? Agree or disagree?

[Anonymous]

[shadowlegend]

Murder is taking a life, and I see how you can argue that abortion is taking a life, however, the fetus has not been born, and legally-speaking it doesn't constitute a separate life, it's still in the mother, but depending on how far it has developed you're arguing whether it has a beating heart or even awareness of it's own existence so is it murder to end that existence (you could argue), and so all I can say as a woman who has faced that choice, it is for each woman to determine for herself what is the right choice for her, and it is absolutely the most personal and one of the most sensitive choices a woman may ever make and no one else in the world has any right to venture their opinion on that woman's choice, not the father, not strangers, not anyone, and certainly not a man who will never face such a choice or who can't possibly understand the implications of pregnancy or the weight of such a choice and how it affects a woman emotionally and physically, as well as spiritually. Trying to define this choice as "right" or "wrong", or label it as "murder" or what-have-you just demonstrates incredible insensitivity that stems from ignorance.

[rjroy3]

Is choosing to abort comparable to choosing to give up your newborn child for adoption? Because you say it is the most personal decision. But a second life is involved. So with that in mind. Is abortion really more personal than choosing to give a child up for adoption? In your opinion.

[shadowlegend]

@rjroy3 I think abortion is far more sensitive and the ramifications more serious because you can give a child up for adoption to a good home with people who can look after it, you're not ending a life nor taking on a responsibility you can't handle.

[rjroy3]

I suppose. Women who get an abortion risk losing the ability to carry children again

[shadowlegend]

@rjroy3 Well, that's not true, not in general. An abortion is a safe procedure and doesn't impair a woman's ability to get pregnant again. Only if the woman has complications and has to abort for medical reasons, like an ectopic pregnancy (the fetus is stuck in the tube, not in the womb), would it impair her ability to get pregnant.

[jacquesvol]

@rjroy3 Indeed, there's a big risk, if it's a coat hanger abortion by a moonlighting midwife , done on the kitchen table. And the risk may be MUCH more serious than infertility. Not so if done by an obgyn in normal conditions.

[shadowlegend]

@jacquesvol If you're talking about barbaric, third-world country abortion then obviously there's a risk. Specify next time.

[jacquesvol]

@shadowlegend By prohibiting abortion it doesn't disappear but abortion goes clandestine and THEN it becomes barbaric, third-world country abortion. It may even become a mafia activity.
The choice is not between abortion or no abortion, the choice is between abortion in good medical conditions or abortion in clandestine 3d. world conditions.

For the people who can afford it, the entrance to the clean abortion clinic is at the nearest airport, of course. For those who can't afford it:

https://i.imgur.com/FgeYxAz.jpg

[shadowlegend]

@jacquesvol So what are you discussing this for? I think abortion should be a free medical procedure for any woman who chooses it.

[jacquesvol]

@shadowlegend Indeed, abortion should be a free medical procedure for any woman who chooses it.

[Ellie2432]

it depends on the reason, if you know that you can't carry full term and it would put you and the "baby" in danger then I agree, if it's a pregnancy that is from a sexual crime against the woman, then I would agree with it. but if the woman is getting pregnant, then getting an abortion because it would be an "inconvenience" for her, then that's not needed, I understand if you know you won't be able to take care of the child, but there are other ways to go like adoption or signing custody of the child to a family member or some other way depending on where you are. I believe that all baby's should be given a chance of a happy healthy life.

[Izumiblu]

I don't know is taking a baby at 32weeks of gestation when it could be born and live outside its mothers body, hear her moms voice and long for her touch; while still in the womb and taking a metal rod and ramming it through its brain and then dismembering it before it travels down the birth canal? Is that murder? Sure seems that way to me. But maybe it isn't murder because it didn't make it outside the body of the mother who carried it and she'd prefer to pretend otherwise.

[matchrestore]

I'm very much in favor of legal, safe, and accessible abortion, and would support any and all legal challenges to any attempt to criminalize it.

When abortion isn't legal, it still happens, but it becomes a black market, often unsafe and unsanitary procedure, which threatens the life of a woman.

Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term can also threaten the life of the woman. That woman may also be the sole provider for other children, who would become wards of the state if the woman lost her life due to complications that could have been avoided through abortion.

Denying women access to abortion is gender discrimination. Restricting access to abortion denies women access to a procedure that can reduce exposure to health risks that are not experienced by men.

When a pregnancy is unwanted, forcing a woman to carry it to term can take a heavy toll on her physical and emotional well-being.

Denying the right to abortion removes a woman's power to make decisions about her own body, her family planning, and health care. Governments should play no role in making that decision for her.

[rjroy3]

It's a developing human that is alive. By that definition it is murder. We can argue whether or not it's okay because it's not fully conscious or can't feel pain. But it is still a developing human being.
If the life of the mother is at risk, then it's more along the lines of self defense. In the case of rape you can still reason it's murder, but it is morally forgivable under the circumstances. Other than those cases there's really no justification.

You have to start with believing it's not human in order to say it's not murder. But we already know it is infact a living thing and we know for a fact it is a developing human being. Having a timeframe for abortion is arbitrary selection of how long it's okay to kill a developing human.

[Naturalfemalesub]

Agree

[juliaanita]

Are you a philosopher or a Republican?

[Asker]

neither

[juliaanita]

So you are a democrat but not a philosopher?

[Asker]

I'm just a person... no label

[juliaanita]

sorry-just trying to figure out how to answer:)

[Asker]

You can't just say how you feel or think?

[juliaanita]

I always consider the audience to whom I am speaking:) Don't you?

[Asker]

nope, i say what i say regardless of who it is.

[juliaanita]

I don't think the question is as simplistic as putting an = sign between two provocative words. The answer is much more complicated than you may want to consider. That is why I asked if you are a philosopher.

[Asker]

Thats fine if you think that, however a lot of people do think it is as simple as murder.

[juliaanita]

a lot of people may be wrong. as they were about the earth being flat. I would gladly answer, but my answer may not be for people who see the world as black and white. And that is why I want to know who my audience is. Are you strong enough to consider other possibilities, or do you see the world as a black and white?

[Asker]

I am. i added the option of 'it depends' for people who wish to explain its complications

[juliaanita]

In a very small nutshell :I could never abort my own child. I don't even know why. I just couldn't. But I do leave open the philosophical option that other women believe differently than I do So I believe in a woman's right to make that very difficult choice, After all, who am I to judge another woman's motives? Who am I to demand that someone has to believe the same way I do? Who am I to put an = sign between two provocative words? I am not god. Neither are you.

[CheckPlease]

When a woman has an abortion she is having the baby/fetus killed and removed from her womb. Oddly enough even the description of the act is under debate.

As far as murder it all depends on the laws. Like literally the definition requires that the killing be against the law. Having an abortion is more like an execution.

[BuchitaBuchys]

I'd have to disagree. I don't see it as murder until they're like big.

[fauchelevent]

I would disagree.

[SarahsSummer]

No. Murder is illegal.

[Asker]

so its only wrong if its illegal?

[SarahsSummer]

You asked if they were equal. I say they are not equal. One is legal one is not. The two are not equal.

[Asker]

So the only thing separating them is legality?

[SarahsSummer]

Separating them from equality? Yes.

[BBMonarch]

A foetus is not a human until it has developed into one so, I voted disagree..

[ElissaDido]

After 3 months of pregnancy, yep.

[victoriameliegray]

No it isn't. What if a girl was raped? She didn't want the baby in the first place. She should have the right to be able to choose if she wants a kid or not. What about teens that got knocked up? Sure, they made mistakes. But if abortion is illegal, usually the teens will not be able to handle the responsibility of a baby and the child will not have such a happy childhood tbh. So I feel like every girl should have the right to choose if she wants her child or not.

[Rosieliver]

this will forever be a touchy subject haha. i disagree, abortion is not murder. i don't see how it is anyones right to decide what one does with their body!

[Bebo200]

Agree. Ditch the loopholes omfg, murder is to take one's life... same as what one does when having an abortion. Taking one's life. PERIOD.

[Phoenix98]

Agree.

[jacquesvol]

FRom guys who REALLY know something about murder:

https://oi66.tinypic.com/ezlhft.jpg

[jacquesvol]

The US govt too is Pro Life:

https://i.imgur.com/cOSIEw5.jpg

[zagor]

Meh, it's not murder if you're at 30,000 feet.

[jacquesvol]

@zagor The Trump administration just killed an 8 yr old girl in Yemen because her dad is Islamist. Last year the Obama administration killed her brother for he same reason. AMERICA IS PRO LIFE ? Defunds Planned Parenthood...

[Redstang88]

Disagree

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Considering most abortions don't occur after 24 weeks it doesn't matter.
But i think abortion is not murder.
To say the fetus is a human is stretching reality, and saying a bunch of cells should be preserved at the expense of someone's livelihood is no one else's business except the mothers.

[BeastRB]

Agree.

[candyaurora]

Except for the cases where the mother's life is at fatal risk yes it is murder!

[Ladyslipper]

In that case it's self defense lol

[Ladyslipper]

It's killing your own child growing inside the womb.. yeah it's murder.

[CountryLesbian]

Disagree, I let people make their own choices

[cupidkisses]

I agree