Do people look attractive because they are attractive, or are they attractive because they look attractive?

[CubsterShura]

I know the question is a little confusing, but it's kind of like a chicken or egg question.

It's inspired by this article I read on how blind people experience sexuality. There's this blind girl who was attracted to men that even other girls would find visually hot, and so she was asked how she could tell those men were hot since she can't even see them. That's when she said 'they aren't hot because they look hot, they look hot because they ARE hot.'

So, thoughts?

[Bandit74]

Overall Attractiveness encompasses look, voice, personality.

For people who can see, physical appearance is in my opinion the largest driver of determining how attractive someone is overall by a large margin.

For people who can't see they probably hone in more on voice, personality, and smell. As far as why blind people still ended up being attracted to people who look good despite not being able to see them, I would guess some combination of the following:

1. People who are physically/visually attractive are probably much more confident in themselves which blind people can pick up on. This will be demonstrated in their tone, how they carry themselves, how comfortable they are in social settings etc..

2. This one might be stretch, but I think people who are conventionally in a physical sense might be more likely to have conventionally attractive voices for their respective sex. I think a guy who is good looking with masculine facial features probably had optimal hormone levels during puberty which might also correlate with having a conventionally masculine voice which blind people would also pick up on.

3. Same as before, assuming someone who looks good has more optimal hormone levels perhaps this can be sensed by blind people via pheromones.

[Sonorous]

I think it all boils down to how well they fit into their generally preferred slots. Those slots being "masculinity" and "femininity." Ofc everyone has their preferences of how much and little they prefer, but everyone can also agree that the ones that "fit perfectly," are at least attractive in some form or another. So, since it's based on an individual's perception of what attractiveness is, they aren't inherently attractive. So, I'd say:

People look attractive because they are subjectively viewed as such.

[On_cloud_wine]

I speak in riddles, so it makes absolute sense to me! If I instantly find someone attractive, it’s because they’re pretty... Oh, so pretty.

Sometimes that feeling disappears once I get to know them.

People look attractive because they are attractive. This is the real attraction. They can be serious or funny, street smart or book smart, even dumb, wise or foolish... and say they’re the ugliest duckling in the crowd...

IF they have a 🖤, I find them to be the most attractive people I have ever met.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Nope

[On_cloud_wine]

@ChefPapiChulo why

[Carbon-12]

I think there are a lot of factors that go into attractiveness besides just looks. How he walks, how he talks, how he hugs. You can be hot as heck, but not be physically hot. You can also look really good, but be undesirable.
That being said you can also be attractive just because of your looks even if you are average in other regards.

So they are related, but not exclusively caused by one another.

[NightFlirt]

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, therefore a person is only as attractive as they look to you. A 450lb woman may be disgusting to some but to others she is the most beautiful woman on the planet.

[Truthatanycost]

Some people look attractive because they feel attractive, and that energy can make them look even more attractive, even if they do not look that attractive. While others may not feel very attractive, but due to them looking attractive, in time others may see them as more attractive... thereby eventually making them feel a little more attractive, that may then make them look more attractive.

[Jjpayne]

I agree that it's all about the eye of the beholder. Everyone sees people with a different set of eyes. But I will say this, movies for example pick specific actors and actresses for a reason. Because in general, they are naturally attractive to most. And I'm sure there are rules... Let me find them..

[Jjpayne]

Here's some things

Facial symmetry has been shown to be considered attractive in women, and men have been found to prefer full lips, high forehead, broad face, small chin, small nose, short and narrow jaw, high cheekbones, clear and smooth skin, and wide-set eyes.

sites.psu.edu/.../thescienceofpretty-16prhlf.jpg

[Jjpayne]

Not my quote by the way

[5yrup]

there's no difference?

[Dargil]

Follow her available senses.
Attractive voice.
She can detect his height when he talks.
He probably "smells good"
Pheromones in the air.

[saeyamazaki]

They're attractive because they look attractive.

[ChiTown33]

Getting philosophical are we? Lol
What is attractive?
It's funny i've always been amused by the statement " beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Because if that were true we wouldn't hold up certain people in society, Scarlett Johannson, Brad Pitt, as symbols of beauty to aspire to.
I think the answer to your question is as a society we are conditioned to find certain attributes attractive. Add to the biological and psychological pulls. I. e. ( women allegedly are attracted men who display attributes of their father since that is their first role model for what a man is) and ( men are attracted to women that show strong signs of fertility).
Then finally personality and social interaction comes in. Allegedly this is a big part of women's selection process.
All this culminates in the vague reason we find one person attractive and not another.

[ZeussLightningBolt]

Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder
I might consider you ugly, someone else might consider you hot

[Wowgirl30q]

I don't know actually good question both I guess?

[hellacray]

Someone should bash the head of that blind girl for giving you the idea for this question.

[CubsterShura]

Good luck trying to find her.

[Pejtu]

Second option is the right one
They are attractive because they look attractive

[Jamie05rhs]

Huh?

[JSWise143]

Yes, they look attractive because they are attractive.

[COMMODOREII]

Its beef. 😜😎

[GreenGold1992]

I feel like I'm having my tongue twisted but in my brain

[BoxySama]

😭😭 I'd sound like a f****** retard to blind girls

[BoxySama]

Seriously, this thought has gone across my mind when I am tune in to Molly Burkes Channel

[Antelope]

I mean attractiveness tends to be a good way of determining whether someone's genes are worth passing down or not so I think there's some merit to this

[awanti95]

Completed for real answer

[ChefPapiChulo]

You asked the same thing twice. Attractive is a adjective. If something appears to be attractive it is attractive. Once it stops appearing to be, then It’s no longer attractive. Attractiveness has everything to do with personal taste. Attractiveness is not a universal thing.

And no it’s not a chicken or an egg question because you know a person is attractive when you see them and are attracted to them.
that blind girl probably knew by the way these guys talk. Or by how other girls treated the hot guys.

[CubsterShura]

It was more about what comes first or what causes the other to happen. And also about how big of a factor looks are when it comes to attentiveness.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Attractiveness is more than physical appearance. But I explained to you already. You asked the same thing twice.

[On_cloud_wine]

@chefpapichulo, then explain to me once

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine she’s saying the same thing twice. If someone looks attractive they are attractive. They’re attractive they look attractive. There isn’t a difference in meaning. Being attractive means you attract others, if you do that you’re attractive. If you don’t attract others you’re not attractive. You can be attractive without attracting others.

[On_cloud_wine]

I don’t have the attention span for this

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine can't be*

[On_cloud_wine]

I still saw a message that was hidden. A hidden message in the message that was given

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine did you follow the rabbit hole?

[On_cloud_wine]

Yes, I was attracted by the flickering of neon lights and music and vibration... come to find out, it’s just a bunch of turtles playing chess.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine I feel like we’re on some weird shit now.

[On_cloud_wine]

I have enough to share 😈

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine are you hitting on me?

[On_cloud_wine]

I don’t even know you

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine exactly. So don’t hit on me.

[On_cloud_wine]

You mean don’t flirt with you?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine it’s the same thing. Flirt or hit on

[On_cloud_wine]

You don’t like the attention?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine yeah I do.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine who are you even? I don’t know you

[On_cloud_wine]

Ask me something

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine what are you girl or boy? You cat fishing me?

[On_cloud_wine]

I’m female and no. And no.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine how old are you?

[On_cloud_wine]

One hundred four

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine what’s your favorite food

[On_cloud_wine]

I don't know, what are you cooking for me?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine nothing until you tell me your age.

[On_cloud_wine]

That’s not important. I’m hungry

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine no food until I know.

[On_cloud_wine]

Why, you tryna date me?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine I just wanna know how old you are.

[On_cloud_wine]

And I just wanna know Y

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine cause it’s important. I won’t judge you

[On_cloud_wine]

Is judging someone because of their age a thing?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine probably. You know what. You seem like you’re 16. You’re too young.

[On_cloud_wine]

Too young for what?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine to flirt with me

[On_cloud_wine]

I’m of legal age

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine let me guess you’re 35. Nearing 40 and having a midlife crisis

[On_cloud_wine]

Sure

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine it’s 3 am. You can bother me with your midlife crises another time.

[On_cloud_wine]

Looking forward to it 👍

[ChefPapiChulo]

@On_cloud_wine just so you know that’s not an invitation. I’m just stating that I’m going to sleep and I don’t wish to be bothered.

[Jaredthejedi06]

I think they look attractive if they are attractive to you. If you really like someone than of course they can look attractive to you and it’s more genuine