Do You Think A Man "Not Wanting" The Pregnancy Should Absolve Him Of Any Financial Responsibility?
BrainsbeforebeautyEditor
This question sparked by a recent post where the poster's boyfriend is trying to manipulate her with threats and ultimatums into aborting the pregnancy. And some users saying/thinking that if she has the baby even if he doesn't want it, he should not be made to support the child. The "only" way I would agree with that is if a woman "purposely" gets pregnant knowing the man doesn't want a child... But if it's two individuals that didn't/don't practice safe sex and a pregnancy occurs, both are responsible and both should be EQUALLY responsible for any child that results... Some men act like they have no say, but all that can be avoided by 1. Wearing a condom or making sure she is on some form of birth control prior to having sex: 2. Men who claim they trusted the woman and claim she purposely got pregnant... DON'T have sex with someone you can't trust. Abortion should NEVER be used as a form of birth control... And just saying you don't want the pregnancy does not absolve you of financial responsibility when there were choices you could of made to avoid that from occurring in the first place!
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For those answering no... or quoting "My wallet, My choice", You're right... your choice to Open that wallet and buy some condoms, or pay for a vasectomy, which is easily reversible... I'd also like to add, men that are against the Abortion should have the legal right to stop the Abortion, and the woman if she doesn't want the child, but did nothing to protect herself from an unwanted pregnancy, should have to pay him child support unless he agrees to let her sign away all her parental rights
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My apologies... Made a mistake on my first update, for those voting yes not no... And for the 16 men who voted yes I really hope you wearing condoms, but probably not... Hey she can just get an abortion or not my problem 🤷🏼♀️ that's a very sickening attitude when you could just condom it!!!
I support financial abortion under the following conditions: 1 forced sexual activity, if the guy didn't want to have sex, was too drunk to consent, or under the age of consent he should have no financial responsibility. 2. Paternity fraud, if a child isn't yours you shouldn't be financially responsible for it. History of support shouldn't effect that. 3. If a mother intentionally and willfully withholds contact between father and child, when that father has legal visitation she absolved him of child support. She's in violation of a court order and shouldn't expect the courts to back her claims of support.
Else it's a non issue, he should help support his offspring.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
I totally agree with you on all points, except the too drink for consent, that needs further explanation or any man could claim that
Anpu23
+1 y
How about she's sober, and he's too drunk? Such as from the Amy Schumer routine. A pair of drunk people having sex is one thing but her in control of her facilities and he is not. In other words he couldn't give meaningful consent but she could. I don't believe in mutual rape. Then it's just being stupid.
TCredoYoda
+1 y
100% agree with you Toots and I think a vote for "No" is saying the guy cannot skip out on his responsibilities... but I didn't vote yet because the not/should and yes/no got me confused (it's me I know lol)
I love the poker meme by the way lol.
Only exception would be, like you said, if the woman intentionally did something like say she was on the pill or whatever and wasn't as she secretly wanted to get pregnant.
Even if she IS on the pill and the guy doesn't use a condom... and she gets pregnant because the pill didn't work, he is still on the hook. He fired the shot - and unless those swimmers are kept out of her, there is always a chance...
If she gets pregnant - and they both, on their own with no forcing or whatever, decide they should get an abortion - fine (I am not saying it is right or wrong - but it's a valid decision)
I think where this gets messy is when she gets pregnant and she wants an abortion but he does not. I believe the law permits her to get one without his consent (like I said I am not sure what the law is there... and not sure if that is different if they are married...)
So I can see someone make the argument that if she gets pregnant and doesn't want an abortion but he does, if the guy has no say in the reverse scenario, why should he be forced to pay for something he doesn't want? One guy who wanted the baby can't stop a woman from getting the abortion - but another guy who wanted abortion is now financially responsible because she wanted to keep the baby?
Even fully respecting how it's her body, her choice the two scenarios do make for some interesting ethical and legal debating... that said, I do believe the guy is on the hook - so if I were to get someone pregnant, I would fully expect to be financially responsible if she decided to keep the baby.
Now if we were not married and we break up (or it was just a one night stand...), I think my financial responsibilities go away at a certain point - such as if/when she gets married to someone else. Again, this is where it gets tricky especially if, let's just say, I voted for abortion.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Sorry friend gonna have to disagree here.. Just cuz someone gets married, doesn't absolve a present of their responsibility to a child they were responsible in creating.. And the update stated men should have the legal right to stay the Abortion with the same rights to child support if he wants child but she don't but did nothing to prevent Unwanted Pregnancy.. In this day and age, with all the available options to prevent Pregnancy that men and women see Abortion as a form of birth control is sickening and very irresponsible... And not wanting a child does not excuse ANYONE from consequences that could've/SHOULD been avoided in the first place
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
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TCredo
+1 y
Ok first reply first lol... I think what you would vote here is "No" correct? The question is phrased as "Do you think a man 'not wanting' the pregnancy should absolve him of any financial responsibility?" No means he should not absolve himself of the responsibility Yes means it is ok for him to absolve himself of the responsibility I held off voting as I said in my original intro because I wasn't sure which was correct lol... but whichever is correct, we agree on that... I'd like to vote to see the results lol so let me know if I am reading the ques and the yes/no part correctly :)
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TCredo
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Now for more longer reply lol... but please see one just above on the yes/no part :) To your update. Yes I think the guy being allowed a say if he wants to keep the child is good - but woah will that be some sort of situation if she wanted to abort but he stops it and now she has go to term carrying a baby she doesn't want... I can just imagine the legal battle royales that would happen if that was considered a law lol... To your comment below, I 100% agree with the part starting with "in this day and age" - abortion or the morning-after pill even - those are not birth control - at all and it's wrong if people go about thinking like that. To what you are pointing out as a disagreeing spot - first no sorry is ever needed for that :) I see it as tricky in the sense that there are a ton of variables - especially with how involved in the child's upbringing she is permitting and welcoming the guy vs. some sort of minimum court based time.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Yeah I messed up on the update, no means men should not be able to just claim they don't want it and be absolved of any responsibility when they could a just condomed up
TCredo
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100% agree :) So I am now going to vote NO :)
TCredo
+1 y
I voted NO and good to see it's at 71% :)
Brainsbeforebeauty
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MassagemanEditor
+1 y
No. It takes two to tango- or horizontal mambo- and people should think these things through before making a life-changing decision at the drop of some cum.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Exactly!!!
worldscolideMaster
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My honest answer is no... On that same token, women have the right to abort.. The way I see it if women have the right to abort men should have the right to financially abort.. Anything else is simply hypocrisy..
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worldscolide
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Take for instance she put holes in his condoms, or she took a use condom and used it to impregnate her slef without his consent.
worldscolide
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the other reason @brainsbeforebeauty that i believe men should have the option to opt out is for the following question
Poking a hole in a condom would fall under the trap or trick him in which I started in that case I agree it should absolve him of any responsibility. But men should not be able to run around having sex without a condom cuz it feels better and then think they shouldn't have any responsibility when they had a choice to wear a condom...
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worldscolide
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oh i agree. remember when i said above that my answer is no? But even in situation where the condom is damaged, even in cases of sexual assault (where the man is a victim) he is still held responsible for that child which is disgusting... Again see the link i posted In my home state a 12 year old boy was raped by his babysitter, and he was made to pay support when he turned 18.. Here is the kicker, the judge was female, and she stated that he was man enough to have sex so he is man enough to pay support... If the roles were reversed no one would ever say something that stupid..
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
I agree that's wrong.. but this post is talking about sex between two CONSENTING adults who CHOSE to have unprotected sex... I didn't want more kids so I protected myself instead of putting it on the other person... Men NEED TO do the same... Condoms, vasectomy-which is more easily reversible- the point is you can't SAY you don't want kids, yet do nothing to prevent it happening, but then put all the blame/responsibility on the woman... Just like I💯 agree men should have a legal right to stop at abortion if THEY want the child and she doesn't work same terms, either SHE pays child support, or she signs parental rights away if they agree to that... Both MEN and WOMEN need to be more responsible about protecting THEMSELVES from unwanted Pregnancy and STOP using Abortion as birth control method...
worldscolide
+1 y
could not agree more..
Brainsbeforebeauty
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👍👍🙂 I'll get to your post soon.. Was in tub and this post kinda blew up
douride2Master
+1 y
If a guy doesn't want to take responsibility maybe he should just get snipped.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Right!!! EXACTLY!!! This my wallet my choice shit yeah your wallet your choice to Open that wallet and buy condoms or pay for a vasectomy that is more easily reversible... Or keep it in the pants then... Geesh sorry for the rant lol but man... Some people, men and women alike just shouldn't be having sex till they grow up more
douride2
+1 y
Yep that about says it all.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
👍👍🙂
amybaXper 5
+1 y
Of course not if he did not want the baby he should of used protection. Poor children who grow up with dads that wish their child was aborted and does not even want to help support his baby.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Right!!!
Unit1Editor
+1 y
Vasectomy/tubal ligation is cheaper and more accessible than abortion :)
I think I love my money more than the kids, that I keep away from the ovaries.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
EXACTLY!!! THANK YOU!!! When I didn't want anymore, I made damn sure there wasn't going to be anymore... People not responsible enough to do that maybe not responsible enough to be having sex... And that goes for BOTH MEN AND WOMEN
Unit1
+1 y
I favor abortions nevertheless.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
If both agree.. Not forced Abortion... And not as means of birth control...
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Unit1
+1 y
Well, that's where I'm the deviant. We kill animals and eat their meat. But suddenly killing an unborn embryo/fetus is somehow unethical. I'm not here to argue. This is my POV.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
You do know too many abortions can cause health issues for a female, right? No cuz men don't think bout that... They just think of their pocket book.. But again user that pocket book to get a vasectomy then
Unit1
+1 y
Heard about it. Abortion regrets mostly. Just as much as regretting having children. The beauty in having abortion being accessible is choosing the outcome. Pregnancy is said to be a life changing moment for women (and then the fathers if the women give birth).
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Abortion regrets my ass.. After my one and only Abortion second Pregnancy was a tubal pregnancy which caused me to almost die and lose the tube that bursted.. And I'm not the only one I know where first Pregnancy was abortion and second was a tubal... And all that could be avoided with a snip snip or a condom, just saying 🤷🏼♀️
Unit1
+1 y
Just saying what I've heard around from the pinks.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Yeah cuz this s good place it get Real info 🙄🙄 sure
Unit1
+1 y
Money?
Brainsbeforebeauty
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? What?
Unit1
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I didn't understand a thing, so I wanted to know if my money is threatened in any way or if I can get paid?
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Whatever cuz this really isn't a joking matter.. The men that keep tryna put it just on women, should just stop "putting it in women" problems solved...
Unit1
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Never did I say it's women's burden. If you ask me, sex is the responsibility of all parties involved. Pointing finger at the other is asking for trouble. I rather point at myself and say "I'll make sure it won't happen" and I'll do it.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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That's my whole point!!! I ain't putting it all on men... But too many men putting it all in the women and that's just shit! Why'd I get an abortion? Cuz told hubby couldn't get pregnant! But WHY'D I TELL HIM THAT... CUZ A DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT when I was 18... So, even tho it was doctor's fuck up, not mine got an abortion so not too trap someone in unwanted Pregnancy, second pregnancy, was the tubal... So after those two times.. If hubby didn't want kids, HE SHOULD OF DID Something About it... After failed birth control, and failed pull out method, and to kids later... I GOT MY TUBE CUT AND BURNED... why tho, didn't he just get vasectomy... Loved my hubby and still do... But that don't mean I'm a Sugarcoat his fault in that...
Unit1
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Well, yes. I know somebody, who thinks like this: "Hey, if she's on birth control, we are good and protected". He also believes in pulling out prematurely. Yeah, that is relying on somebody else for a failsave mechanism (and asking for trouble). Trust is a gamble here not worth risking if you ask me. Risk management means if *YOU* DON'T want the risk to happen, then *YOU* better make sure of it yourself. People disappoint, stab back and all that.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
That's EXACTLY THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE!!!
FýrdracaDócincelGuru
+1 y
Yep.
Would you rather us hurt the little shit you forced us to raise?
Pick your poison.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
How BOUT CONDOM it or get a vasectomy
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
And then so, your condoning child abuse if it was unwanted pregnancy? That's some messed up shit right there!!!
ThatGuy133Yoda
+1 y
If he didn’t want a kid he should have wrapped it up. It’s ridiculous how some guys act. They were all about getting laid... you know how babies are made... why are you surprised that she’s pregnant?
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
EXACTLY!!! these men saying my wallet my choice... Use that wallet to BUT CONDOMS or get a vasectomy then and... Problem solved...
ThatGuy133
+1 y
Exactly, that's some dumb shit. Be responsible.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Right... Maybe all adults should have to retake sex Ed before having sex
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ThatGuy133
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Haha it still won't work. They'd make excuses that they don't like condoms or feel like they need to use one.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Yeah it's sad how people are these days
NalixXper 6
+1 y
They should both be responsible. The man should only be exempt from responsibility if the woman also has the choice to be, but ideally both are responsible.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
I agree 💯
loveslongnailsMaster
+1 y
This question has a lot of tricky implications, but you're asking "should", rather than "does". I'm not aware of countries whose "laws" currently allow men to "opt out" financially, but I believe there can be private contracts between the parties involved that are allowed, in some countries.
The most likely scenario is the man gives up all rights and claims, contacts, interactions forever in exchange for zero financial responsibility. If that's acceptable to the woman, I don't have an issue for it so long as she can "prove" she's financially capable, or has family willing to 'co-sign", so to speak. But this only brings up more questions. What if she doesn't want the father involved in any way EXCEPT financially, because she needs that? It's just one fucking mess after the other.
Here's a thought most guys won't like, but as medical procedures improve, this could work. If you're a guy and want to be wild and free from the age of 16 until you're "ready" to have a family, perhaps in your late 20's to early 30's, get a vasectomy. They can be reversed later. That way you'll never get a girl pregnant, and you can't be scammed into a pregnancy either. Vasectomies are 99% effective, and reversals are currently between 40 and 90% effective, but that number should increase as time goes on.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
They last paragraph... Preaching to the choir... That's what I've been saying... Men have more choices, ways to about this situation that they don't take!!
loveslongnails
+1 y
Men have these choices: abstinence, condoms, vasectomy Women have these choices: abstinence, birth control, tubal ligation The problem with tubal ligation is that its expensive to do and do reverse, and its more of a permanent than temporary solution. The pregnancy success rate of women under 35 with a reversal is good, at 70 to 80 percent, however over 35 it drops to 30 to 50 percent. However, a woman can get pregnant with in vitro fertilization if she's had her tubes tied.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Again agree, except with the tubal ligation..1- most insurances will cover this... But also, these days there's less chance it reversal.. As they don't generally tie the times anymore, they cut and burn
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loveslongnails
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I suppose you could specify you dont want them cut? I don't know. It's not a decision a young girl will make as a means of birth control. They just go on the pill or an implant.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
And they should... I'm not saying women aren't too blame either.. ANYONE having unprotected sex if they don't want a kid is irresponsible when there's so many easy way to avoid that situation... But it's the responsibility of each person to protect themselves. Take me, I can't get pregnant anymore, cuz 1. I got my tube (one had to be removed years ago but can still get pregnant with just 1) taken care of six weeks after second daughter was born and 2. I'm in Menopause... But, if s man don't know he can trust what I'm saying is true, then he should still protect himself until he knows he can take me at my word... I don't believe men should be trapped into parenthood, but I also don't believe you should be able to be irresponsible and then think just saying I don't want kids should resolve you from any recourse...
RingOfFireYoda
+1 y
I think the problem arises in the concept that women have the right of "my body my choice."
If women have that choice, why don't men have the option of "my money my choice?"
If a man is forced to pay for an unwanted child, shouldn't a woman be forced to birth an unwanted child? Why should one have a choice and the other not? What is the justification for that?
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Then do something to change that... I agree if s man wants the child he should have the legal right to stop the abortion. Because if a female don't want to get pregnant, use birth control... But same for men, if you don't want kids, use protection... But don't just ruin around Willy Billy without and then think can just walk away free and clear... Use that my money choice to choose to buy and wear condoms get a vasectomy or just abstain from sex
larry69Guru
+1 y
He should pay his child support. Step up and be a man.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Well SAID... Or step up and be more responsible about sex and protection
larry69
+1 y
It takes 2 to make a baby and men need to be held accountable.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
I agree!
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OpenNudist
+1 y
I have raised two twin daughters and a son. So any True Man, Never Shirks his responsibility Ever
OpenNudist
+1 y
I personally think that Any, Supposed " Man By Definition " Is Unnequvicaly, is Responsible for supporting his children and Ex-Wife
OpenNudist
+1 y
But then again that is just my humble opinion
Brainsbeforebeauty
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@OpenNudist awww 🥰🥰 twins... That's awesome I wanted twins... But no dice.. But have two beautiful daughters and a precious 2 year old grandson that's got Grandma wrapped around his little fingers 🥰🥰 he's so friggin smart, 2 years old and knows how to count to ten, all his shapes and colors, talks very well for 2... Yeah proud bragging Grandma here lolol
OpenNudist
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He, actually should step up, Support his children
OpenNudist
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@Brainsbeforebeauty, She never was Pregnant, All she wanted was MONEY
OpenNudist
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She Never Was Pregnant
OpenNudist
+1 y
She Collected Urine from, Hillbilly Neighbor
OpenNudist
+1 y
You're Individually Trash and decided to Bribe Me!
Brainsbeforebeauty
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@OpenNudist what are you talking about,? Your not making sense
OpenNudist
+1 y
It is my responsibility as a PJ to raise you
OpenNudist
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It's is my humble responsibility that I support YOU
OpenNudist
+1 y
Stop!!! RIGHT NOW, YOU INDIVIDUALLY HAVE SAVED 9 SOLDIERS
OpenNudist
+1 y
Please Stop
OpenNudist
+1 y
Open Family Relations, Prisoners Exchange
OpenNudist
+1 y
I cannot do this Anymore, Please
OpenNudist
+1 y
I could call in an Airstrike and kill all 500 of you. Where are my Prisoners?
JesseCraftXper 5
+1 y
I think he should accept the consequences, he was the one who knocked her up. If he didn't want her to get pregnant then he should have used a condom or pull out, so he has to deal with it
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
I agree, except word of warning, pulling out is not an effective method of birth control, you can still get pregnant that way... Trust me I know 🤣
JesseCraft
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Yikess lol
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Sorry lol not trying to scare you.. Just giving you the facts.. Best way is if you wear condoms AND she uses some form of birth control, so doubly protected!
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JesseCraft
+1 y
Yeah exactly but I probably don't need to think of that for a while, I haven't even had my first kiss yet haha
JesseCraft
+1 y
I've been very late lol
LEADFOOTboiYoda
+1 y
nahhhh... dont blow her up if you ain't bout that, homie... ABSTANENCE FOR THE WIN
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Right!!!
adidas0169Xper 6
+1 y
To a certain degree yes bc why do you want someone in a childs life when they didn't want them in the 1st place
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Not wanting a child means you take precautions to prevent that from happening... But if you don't that shouldn't Snapple you from any financial responsibility
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
"resolve not Snapple
adidas0169
+1 y
Accidents do happen. birth control isn't 100% nor are condoms. so you can be as cautious as you want but accidents do happen
COMMODOREIIMaster
+1 y
So what does it mean if she gets pregnant and he wants the baby but she wants an abortion. How does that differ?
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COMMODOREII
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That is good about her signing away all of her parental rights, what about him signing away all the rights. Whether girl or guy do they still have to pay child support if the rights are waiived considering it is considered rights to the child.
Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
As they both should...
Steve37Yoda
+1 y
Responsibility isn't about what you want or desire. Of course he's responsible for the child and not just financially.
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Steve37
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Who's the deadbeat downvoter?
Brainsbeforebeauty
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That's a toss up there's a lot of deadbeat downvotes on this site... In other words, cowardly pussies they can't handle the truth
Bang5lutsXper 6
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Only if he pulled out before the insemination or the child does not belong to him.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
+1 y
Pulling out is not a reliable form of birth control... You can still get pregnant that way
Bang5luts
+1 y
Well ya. Only if he pulled out BEFORE the insemination. Would mean that he didn't inseminate. Simply not wearing a condom does not ensure a pregnancy either.
TwalliMaster
+1 y
If a girl I am with gets pregnant I am leaving her, because I know it's not my kid.
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24 72I support financial abortion under the following conditions:
1 forced sexual activity, if the guy didn't want to have sex, was too drunk to consent, or under the age of consent he should have no financial responsibility.
2. Paternity fraud, if a child isn't yours you shouldn't be financially responsible for it. History of support shouldn't effect that.
3. If a mother intentionally and willfully withholds contact between father and child, when that father has legal visitation she absolved him of child support. She's in violation of a court order and shouldn't expect the courts to back her claims of support.
Else it's a non issue, he should help support his offspring.
I totally agree with you on all points, except the too drink for consent, that needs further explanation or any man could claim that
How about she's sober, and he's too drunk? Such as from the Amy Schumer routine. A pair of drunk people having sex is one thing but her in control of her facilities and he is not. In other words he couldn't give meaningful consent but she could. I don't believe in mutual rape. Then it's just being stupid.
100% agree with you Toots and I think a vote for "No" is saying the guy cannot skip out on his responsibilities... but I didn't vote yet because the not/should and yes/no got me confused (it's me I know lol)
I love the poker meme by the way lol.
Only exception would be, like you said, if the woman intentionally did something like say she was on the pill or whatever and wasn't as she secretly wanted to get pregnant.
Even if she IS on the pill and the guy doesn't use a condom... and she gets pregnant because the pill didn't work, he is still on the hook. He fired the shot - and unless those swimmers are kept out of her, there is always a chance...
If she gets pregnant - and they both, on their own with no forcing or whatever, decide they should get an abortion - fine (I am not saying it is right or wrong - but it's a valid decision)
I think where this gets messy is when she gets pregnant and she wants an abortion but he does not. I believe the law permits her to get one without his consent (like I said I am not sure what the law is there... and not sure if that is different if they are married...)
So I can see someone make the argument that if she gets pregnant and doesn't want an abortion but he does, if the guy has no say in the reverse scenario, why should he be forced to pay for something he doesn't want? One guy who wanted the baby can't stop a woman from getting the abortion - but another guy who wanted abortion is now financially responsible because she wanted to keep the baby?
Even fully respecting how it's her body, her choice the two scenarios do make for some interesting ethical and legal debating... that said, I do believe the guy is on the hook - so if I were to get someone pregnant, I would fully expect to be financially responsible if she decided to keep the baby.
Now if we were not married and we break up (or it was just a one night stand...), I think my financial responsibilities go away at a certain point - such as if/when she gets married to someone else. Again, this is where it gets tricky especially if, let's just say, I voted for abortion.
Sorry friend gonna have to disagree here.. Just cuz someone gets married, doesn't absolve a present of their responsibility to a child they were responsible in creating.. And the update stated men should have the legal right to stay the Abortion with the same rights to child support if he wants child but she don't but did nothing to prevent Unwanted Pregnancy.. In this day and age, with all the available options to prevent Pregnancy that men and women see Abortion as a form of birth control is sickening and very irresponsible... And not wanting a child does not excuse ANYONE from consequences that could've/SHOULD been avoided in the first place
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Ok first reply first lol... I think what you would vote here is "No" correct? The question is phrased as "Do you think a man 'not wanting' the pregnancy should absolve him of any financial responsibility?" No means he should not absolve himself of the responsibility Yes means it is ok for him to absolve himself of the responsibility I held off voting as I said in my original intro because I wasn't sure which was correct lol... but whichever is correct, we agree on that... I'd like to vote to see the results lol so let me know if I am reading the ques and the yes/no part correctly :)
Now for more longer reply lol... but please see one just above on the yes/no part :) To your update. Yes I think the guy being allowed a say if he wants to keep the child is good - but woah will that be some sort of situation if she wanted to abort but he stops it and now she has go to term carrying a baby she doesn't want... I can just imagine the legal battle royales that would happen if that was considered a law lol... To your comment below, I 100% agree with the part starting with "in this day and age" - abortion or the morning-after pill even - those are not birth control - at all and it's wrong if people go about thinking like that. To what you are pointing out as a disagreeing spot - first no sorry is ever needed for that :) I see it as tricky in the sense that there are a ton of variables - especially with how involved in the child's upbringing she is permitting and welcoming the guy vs. some sort of minimum court based time.
Yeah I messed up on the update, no means men should not be able to just claim they don't want it and be absolved of any responsibility when they could a just condomed up
100% agree :) So I am now going to vote NO :)
I voted NO and good to see it's at 71% :)
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No. It takes two to tango- or horizontal mambo- and people should think these things through before making a life-changing decision at the drop of some cum.
Exactly!!!
My honest answer is no... On that same token, women have the right to abort.. The way I see it if women have the right to abort men should have the right to financially abort.. Anything else is simply hypocrisy..
Take for instance she put holes in his condoms, or she took a use condom and used it to impregnate her slef without his consent.
the other reason @brainsbeforebeauty that i believe men should have the option to opt out is for the following question
Did you know that if you have a son, he is under age (say 15) and some older lady rapes him, and gets pregnant, he has to pay child support? ↗
Poking a hole in a condom would fall under the trap or trick him in which I started in that case I agree it should absolve him of any responsibility. But men should not be able to run around having sex without a condom cuz it feels better and then think they shouldn't have any responsibility when they had a choice to wear a condom...
oh i agree. remember when i said above that my answer is no? But even in situation where the condom is damaged, even in cases of sexual assault (where the man is a victim) he is still held responsible for that child which is disgusting... Again see the link i posted In my home state a 12 year old boy was raped by his babysitter, and he was made to pay support when he turned 18.. Here is the kicker, the judge was female, and she stated that he was man enough to have sex so he is man enough to pay support... If the roles were reversed no one would ever say something that stupid..
I agree that's wrong.. but this post is talking about sex between two CONSENTING adults who CHOSE to have unprotected sex... I didn't want more kids so I protected myself instead of putting it on the other person... Men NEED TO do the same... Condoms, vasectomy-which is more easily reversible- the point is you can't SAY you don't want kids, yet do nothing to prevent it happening, but then put all the blame/responsibility on the woman... Just like I💯 agree men should have a legal right to stop at abortion if THEY want the child and she doesn't work same terms, either SHE pays child support, or she signs parental rights away if they agree to that... Both MEN and WOMEN need to be more responsible about protecting THEMSELVES from unwanted Pregnancy and STOP using Abortion as birth control method...
could not agree more..
👍👍🙂 I'll get to your post soon.. Was in tub and this post kinda blew up
If a guy doesn't want to take responsibility maybe he should just get snipped.
Right!!! EXACTLY!!! This my wallet my choice shit yeah your wallet your choice to Open that wallet and buy condoms or pay for a vasectomy that is more easily reversible... Or keep it in the pants then... Geesh sorry for the rant lol but man... Some people, men and women alike just shouldn't be having sex till they grow up more
Yep that about says it all.
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Of course not if he did not want the baby he should of used protection. Poor children who grow up with dads that wish their child was aborted and does not even want to help support his baby.
Right!!!
Vasectomy/tubal ligation is cheaper and more accessible than abortion :)
I think I love my money more than the kids, that I keep away from the ovaries.
EXACTLY!!! THANK YOU!!! When I didn't want anymore, I made damn sure there wasn't going to be anymore... People not responsible enough to do that maybe not responsible enough to be having sex... And that goes for BOTH MEN AND WOMEN
I favor abortions nevertheless.
If both agree.. Not forced Abortion... And not as means of birth control...
Well, that's where I'm the deviant. We kill animals and eat their meat. But suddenly killing an unborn embryo/fetus is somehow unethical. I'm not here to argue. This is my POV.
You do know too many abortions can cause health issues for a female, right? No cuz men don't think bout that... They just think of their pocket book.. But again user that pocket book to get a vasectomy then
Heard about it. Abortion regrets mostly. Just as much as regretting having children. The beauty in having abortion being accessible is choosing the outcome. Pregnancy is said to be a life changing moment for women (and then the fathers if the women give birth).
Abortion regrets my ass.. After my one and only Abortion second Pregnancy was a tubal pregnancy which caused me to almost die and lose the tube that bursted.. And I'm not the only one I know where first Pregnancy was abortion and second was a tubal... And all that could be avoided with a snip snip or a condom, just saying 🤷🏼♀️
Just saying what I've heard around from the pinks.
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Money?
? What?
I didn't understand a thing, so I wanted to know if my money is threatened in any way or if I can get paid?
Whatever cuz this really isn't a joking matter.. The men that keep tryna put it just on women, should just stop "putting it in women" problems solved...
Never did I say it's women's burden. If you ask me, sex is the responsibility of all parties involved. Pointing finger at the other is asking for trouble. I rather point at myself and say "I'll make sure it won't happen" and I'll do it.
That's my whole point!!! I ain't putting it all on men... But too many men putting it all in the women and that's just shit! Why'd I get an abortion? Cuz told hubby couldn't get pregnant! But WHY'D I TELL HIM THAT... CUZ A DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT when I was 18... So, even tho it was doctor's fuck up, not mine got an abortion so not too trap someone in unwanted Pregnancy, second pregnancy, was the tubal... So after those two times.. If hubby didn't want kids, HE SHOULD OF DID Something About it... After failed birth control, and failed pull out method, and to kids later... I GOT MY TUBE CUT AND BURNED... why tho, didn't he just get vasectomy... Loved my hubby and still do... But that don't mean I'm a Sugarcoat his fault in that...
Well, yes. I know somebody, who thinks like this: "Hey, if she's on birth control, we are good and protected". He also believes in pulling out prematurely. Yeah, that is relying on somebody else for a failsave mechanism (and asking for trouble). Trust is a gamble here not worth risking if you ask me. Risk management means if *YOU* DON'T want the risk to happen, then *YOU* better make sure of it yourself. People disappoint, stab back and all that.
That's EXACTLY THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE!!!
Yep.
Would you rather us hurt the little shit you forced us to raise?
Pick your poison.
How BOUT CONDOM it or get a vasectomy
And then so, your condoning child abuse if it was unwanted pregnancy? That's some messed up shit right there!!!
If he didn’t want a kid he should have wrapped it up. It’s ridiculous how some guys act. They were all about getting laid... you know how babies are made... why are you surprised that she’s pregnant?
EXACTLY!!! these men saying my wallet my choice... Use that wallet to BUT CONDOMS or get a vasectomy then and... Problem solved...
Exactly, that's some dumb shit. Be responsible.
Right... Maybe all adults should have to retake sex Ed before having sex
Haha it still won't work. They'd make excuses that they don't like condoms or feel like they need to use one.
Yeah it's sad how people are these days
They should both be responsible. The man should only be exempt from responsibility if the woman also has the choice to be, but ideally both are responsible.
I agree 💯
This question has a lot of tricky implications, but you're asking "should", rather than "does". I'm not aware of countries whose "laws" currently allow men to "opt out" financially, but I believe there can be private contracts between the parties involved that are allowed, in some countries.
The most likely scenario is the man gives up all rights and claims, contacts, interactions forever in exchange for zero financial responsibility. If that's acceptable to the woman, I don't have an issue for it so long as she can "prove" she's financially capable, or has family willing to 'co-sign", so to speak. But this only brings up more questions. What if she doesn't want the father involved in any way EXCEPT financially, because she needs that? It's just one fucking mess after the other.
Here's a thought most guys won't like, but as medical procedures improve, this could work. If you're a guy and want to be wild and free from the age of 16 until you're "ready" to have a family, perhaps in your late 20's to early 30's, get a vasectomy. They can be reversed later. That way you'll never get a girl pregnant, and you can't be scammed into a pregnancy either. Vasectomies are 99% effective, and reversals are currently between 40 and 90% effective, but that number should increase as time goes on.
They last paragraph... Preaching to the choir... That's what I've been saying... Men have more choices, ways to about this situation that they don't take!!
Men have these choices: abstinence, condoms, vasectomy Women have these choices: abstinence, birth control, tubal ligation The problem with tubal ligation is that its expensive to do and do reverse, and its more of a permanent than temporary solution. The pregnancy success rate of women under 35 with a reversal is good, at 70 to 80 percent, however over 35 it drops to 30 to 50 percent. However, a woman can get pregnant with in vitro fertilization if she's had her tubes tied.
Again agree, except with the tubal ligation..1- most insurances will cover this... But also, these days there's less chance it reversal.. As they don't generally tie the times anymore, they cut and burn
I suppose you could specify you dont want them cut? I don't know. It's not a decision a young girl will make as a means of birth control. They just go on the pill or an implant.
And they should... I'm not saying women aren't too blame either.. ANYONE having unprotected sex if they don't want a kid is irresponsible when there's so many easy way to avoid that situation... But it's the responsibility of each person to protect themselves. Take me, I can't get pregnant anymore, cuz 1. I got my tube (one had to be removed years ago but can still get pregnant with just 1) taken care of six weeks after second daughter was born and 2. I'm in Menopause... But, if s man don't know he can trust what I'm saying is true, then he should still protect himself until he knows he can take me at my word... I don't believe men should be trapped into parenthood, but I also don't believe you should be able to be irresponsible and then think just saying I don't want kids should resolve you from any recourse...
I think the problem arises in the concept that women have the right of "my body my choice."
If women have that choice, why don't men have the option of "my money my choice?"
If a man is forced to pay for an unwanted child, shouldn't a woman be forced to birth an unwanted child? Why should one have a choice and the other not? What is the justification for that?
Then do something to change that... I agree if s man wants the child he should have the legal right to stop the abortion. Because if a female don't want to get pregnant, use birth control... But same for men, if you don't want kids, use protection... But don't just ruin around Willy Billy without and then think can just walk away free and clear... Use that my money choice to choose to buy and wear condoms get a vasectomy or just abstain from sex
He should pay his child support. Step up and be a man.
Well SAID... Or step up and be more responsible about sex and protection
It takes 2 to make a baby and men need to be held accountable.
I agree!
I have raised two twin daughters and a son. So any True Man, Never Shirks his responsibility Ever
I personally think that Any, Supposed " Man By Definition " Is Unnequvicaly, is Responsible for supporting his children and Ex-Wife
But then again that is just my humble opinion
@OpenNudist awww 🥰🥰 twins... That's awesome I wanted twins... But no dice.. But have two beautiful daughters and a precious 2 year old grandson that's got Grandma wrapped around his little fingers 🥰🥰 he's so friggin smart, 2 years old and knows how to count to ten, all his shapes and colors, talks very well for 2... Yeah proud bragging Grandma here lolol
He, actually should step up, Support his children
@Brainsbeforebeauty, She never was Pregnant, All she wanted was MONEY
She Never Was Pregnant
She Collected Urine from, Hillbilly Neighbor
You're Individually Trash and decided to Bribe Me!
@OpenNudist what are you talking about,? Your not making sense
It is my responsibility as a PJ to raise you
It's is my humble responsibility that I support YOU
Stop!!! RIGHT NOW, YOU INDIVIDUALLY HAVE SAVED 9 SOLDIERS
Please Stop
Open Family Relations, Prisoners Exchange
I cannot do this Anymore, Please
I could call in an Airstrike and kill all 500 of you. Where are my Prisoners?
I think he should accept the consequences, he was the one who knocked her up. If he didn't want her to get pregnant then he should have used a condom or pull out, so he has to deal with it
I agree, except word of warning, pulling out is not an effective method of birth control, you can still get pregnant that way... Trust me I know 🤣
Yikess lol
Sorry lol not trying to scare you.. Just giving you the facts.. Best way is if you wear condoms AND she uses some form of birth control, so doubly protected!
Yeah exactly but I probably don't need to think of that for a while, I haven't even had my first kiss yet haha
I've been very late lol
nahhhh... dont blow her up if you ain't bout that, homie... ABSTANENCE FOR THE WIN
Right!!!
To a certain degree yes bc why do you want someone in a childs life when they didn't want them in the 1st place
Not wanting a child means you take precautions to prevent that from happening... But if you don't that shouldn't Snapple you from any financial responsibility
"resolve not Snapple
Accidents do happen. birth control isn't 100% nor are condoms. so you can be as cautious as you want but accidents do happen
So what does it mean if she gets pregnant and he wants the baby but she wants an abortion. How does that differ?
That is good about her signing away all of her parental rights, what about him signing away all the rights. Whether girl or guy do they still have to pay child support if the rights are waiived considering it is considered rights to the child.
As they both should...
Responsibility isn't about what you want or desire. Of course he's responsible for the child and not just financially.
Who's the deadbeat downvoter?
That's a toss up there's a lot of deadbeat downvotes on this site... In other words, cowardly pussies they can't handle the truth
Only if he pulled out before the insemination or the child does not belong to him.
Pulling out is not a reliable form of birth control... You can still get pregnant that way
Well ya. Only if he pulled out BEFORE the insemination. Would mean that he didn't inseminate. Simply not wearing a condom does not ensure a pregnancy either.
If a girl I am with gets pregnant I am leaving her, because I know it's not my kid.
And you know that how,,?
I got a vascetomy