With all the rape culture and safety topics in the news lately, do you think school curriculum should change to include self defense training in place of some gym classes? Especially for women? Also, bonus question, do you any of you know self defense? Real self defense, not 'I'm 300 pounds and only need to sit on you' self defense.
I know how to use a bo staff, but that's it. Hand to hand fighting, I'm completely open and a lot of my students, especially females, would not be able to defend themselves against an attacker.
I don't know if it is in other countries already, but here in America, it's not, at least, not for public institutions.
Should Self Defense Training Become A Mandatory Elective In Schools?
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Guys, martial arts and self defense are not the same thing. Just wanted to point that out because some of you seem confused by the question.
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11 27I know army combatives, I don't know if you count that as self-defense or a martial art, but I don't think it should be mandatory.
If you ask me, which you did, I think that would be going in the wrong direction. Women, and men too, shouldn't need to know how to defend themselves.
People should be taught how to be functional human beings. People who attack others to fulfill their needs, whether they be sexual, financial, or entertainment, aren't functional human beings.
Schools already do that, though, so is that really an efficient way to go? To continue the way we go with our educational systems as is?
I think violent crime rates across the board have steadily been dropping (i don't know where you live, bit in the U. S. this is true). I think rape is taken more and more seriously and occurs less and less.
No considering the best self defense is escaping the situation or avoiding it, followed closely by a loaded gun
Well if everyone leaned self defense it would be rendered useless
Um... how? You're assuming that the attacker would always win, which is erroneous.
Let's give a scenario A women and a male attacker If both are equally trianed then the male still has a decisive advantage from biology
You're not taking into consideration tactical ability and athleticism. Statistically, women think quicker on their feet than a man does in general, whether it's a debate, conversation, fight, etc. Also, you're assuming the attacker will be a male. Women are some crazy heifers sometimes, especially in a break up, just watch an episode of Snapped. I'm 5'3 170lbs. but I know if my ex tried to attack me, I would out maneuver him because I played sports like soccer and basketball, so I'm used to that. Self defense doesn't necessarily include that. Also, not everyone can master self defense, sports, martial arts, etc. because we're not all physically made equally. Your reasoning is still flawed.
Eh still though I think education is a better approach to solving rape culture I don't think fighting violence e with violence eis always the best approach
While the male generally has the upper hand there, this kind of training isn't necessarily for a woman to beat a man in a fair fight. It's probably best applied, for example, when a drunk man is getting too frisky with a woman against her will, and the goal there is simply for the woman to incapacitate the man, long enough to get away and find safety. In such scenarios, it's not necessarily rendered useless if both men and women knew self-defense.
@ak666 you have a valid point But id still rather solve this problem in a less violent way Society it's Self seems to rely on violence more then logic now
Much agreed there. I like the idea of martial arts training for both boys and girls and actually at a younger age though, because the real value of a full martial arts course is not how to hit vital points or anything of that sort, but developing a mental discipline to help us avoid conflicts in life.
@ak666 that is too a good point I agree that if taught from a young age that would be far better then empowering immature high schoolers and stuff
There are other factors in fights besides height and strength. There are the dexterity, agility, courage, reflexes, endurance, pain tolerance and how much fight is in the person. The smaller person uses different tactics, and I'm not talking about "underhanded" tactics. Even if the bigger person is equally skilled, that person won't always win.
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I am in taekwondo and nit should be mandatory
You can use martial arts for self defense.
I didn't say you couldn't.
If it's mandatory then it's not an elective but it shouldn't be mandatory. It should be recommended.
It is an elective lol, anything that's not a core class (English/Math/Science/Social Studies) is an elective. Gym is mandatory and classified as an elective lol.
You wouldn't get the same results
Schools are too soft to teach martial arts
You miss out on the whole respect and humbling aspect in my opinion
You don't need to know martial arts to learn self defense tactics.
sorry you had a picture of a girl in martial arts attire practicing martial arts... No i dont think it should be in schools, they can take wrestling But in my opinion thats the parents responsibility not the schools
As a teacher, you'd be surprised how many parental responsibilities I take on because the parent can't be bothered to.
Yea but thatsbnot your job Dont get me wrong i believe people should learn self defense But you run into some problems teaching it to all the kids in school
You can't just teach someone self defense in school. It can be too rough. You don't understand, when I teach people how to defend themselves, I teach them how to severely hurt the attacker or kill them. And if you are taught incorrectly your attacker will win.
@Thisperson98 You're assuming it being taught in school would make it ineffective, which is a flawed view. They teach wrestling and touch football in school gym classes and kids get severely hurt and some universities teach it at the college level. I learned to use a bo staff when I 19 in a college course and I'm pretty good with it so I'm not understanding your reasoning at all.
Op the self defense you're talking about would be stuff like hiting a male in the testicles or hitting an attacker in the diaphram or gauging their eyes You can teach stuff like that in school it just wouldn't work the way you think it would Maybe in a perfect world but not this one
I don't mean it is dangerous. But yes it would be taught incorrectly. We actually did a self defense thing at our high school for gym. During the whole self defense class I was pissed at the teacher for teaching it incorrectly.
you are going to get the same as in ancient japan, people will compensate by carrying small concealable weapons to get an advantage over that, then others will compensate for that by not only knowing martial arts but also using weapons in combination with them. then people will carry guns as well. and your little arms race is going. but i am not saying it would not work, everyone should have the right and the skills to defend themselves.
People carry weapons anyway.
thats correct we have since the moment we made them.
Then there's no compensation if they're already doing it.
thats not true, if every one could do martial arts there will be a counter movement where the people that aren't good at it will carry weapons, they will become much more widespread is what i mean. if martial arts become more widespread then weapons will as well.
Well, first, it's not martial arts, it self defense. There's no correlation between weapons and self defense. Weapons would depend more on what type of crime they're committing.
people carry weapons regardless of crimes they want to commit. i always have a pocket knife on me, unless i am in an area where it is not allowed.
"self defence" courses are largely rubbish.
To execute effective movements in a stressful situation, you have to have practiced it over and over, against resisting opponents who don't hold back.
I agree with this! I really good self defence class is one where you limp away with bruises. ( at least when you are learning)
Absolutely
Especially in hand to hand. You need to be able to defend yourself. Karate, judo, krav maga, aikido, systema, boxing, wushu, kickboxing or muay Thai.
To be clear, martial arts is very effective for self defense if you don't have a weapon of some sort.
In one way it would be useful because you can learn to defend yourselves but in another way people in school will use that ability for the wrong reasons.
Would that work though? Self defense is, as the name suggests, defensive. I'm not sure a person could use it offensively.
I think they could but yeah it's a good idea to teach all kids self-defense.
They need to be taught discipline, before they are taught self defense.
It should be offered