What do you think of the women who defend or support sex workers, but scorn men who go to them?
ManOnFireInfluencer
I never understood this. You have women out there who defend/support sex workers, but think guys who go to them are trash. Thoughts? Disclaimer: I personally am not 100% against sex workers, but I'm also not 100% against guys who use them either. I guess I'm in the middle, but my political views don't really matter here, this is about women who support them but hate men who use them.
Of you support woman having sex for money, you should also allow men to pay for sex! If not... you are just picking sides tbh!
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Agape93Master
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I think it’s hypocritical.
I have a lot of friends who have or do sex work, and I fully support them and their choices. If someone wants to go to one, go for it
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connythebaker
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Same here. Being a camgirl seriously appears to outperform doing escort jobs in recent years though. Most women I am still in contact with have either quit or switched from offline to online. I will leave you a follow for that nice avatar by the way.. - So rare to meet OTO folks outside of dedicated communities. XD
Bananaman177Guru
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"What do you think of women. . ."
First mistake.
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ManOnFire
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Lmfao.
JulietchicagoXper 5
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your question is not valid because you are comparing two completely different groups. If you want it to be valid, you have to compare male sex workers to female sex workers. And women who support female sex workers also support male sex workers
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ManOnFire
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No, you're trying to slice it how you want it. Pretty much everyone else who answered got it.
Julietchicago
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No, you framed the question in a way where women look like villians. I'm just smart enough to see through the bullshit
joeblow123
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@julietchicago No. It is very valid because it is a problem that actually exists. Just like stray bullets.
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joeblow123
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@julietchicago That's because they are the villains.
Julietchicago
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@joeblow123 you don't understand. Re-read what I said. He is using faulty comparison.
OfDeath
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He is not using a faulty logic. He is talking about women who justify other women being sex workers but then attack men who use their services. If there were no men using the service, there would be no reason to justify becoming a sex worker. See how that works? Good talk.
Julietchicago
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@OfDeath it's still faulty. A comparison would be female sex workers to male sex workers. It's like asking why do people like the judicial system, but not criminals? When criminals are keeping the judicial system in business. Or why do people like doctors but not patients? They are two separate groups. He is obviously just using the faulty comparison to start a gender war.
OfDeath
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Uhh... No. It is the exact opposite of the judicial system and criminals. Nobody defends criminals except criminal defence lawyers and even they just try to get them to plead guilty in order to get a more lenient sentence. What you are doing is creating a straw man fallacy. You have created a separate, unrelated and even contradictory argument in order to attempt to attack the original point. Read my previous response again.
Julietchicago
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@OfDeath wrong. What would be a direct comparison to a female hooker? A male hooker. This question is trying to compare two completely different things, a seller group with a buyer group. It's like asking why do people support drug dealers, but not drug addicts? Does it make someone hypocritical to support drug dealers, but not addicts? No it doesn't, because drug dealer is a profession made up of a certain group of people and addicts are a different group of people, one no one really likes. Therefore, this comparison is faulty and the author asks it in order to try and draw a conclusion that women are hypocrites since he has personal issues against women. It's biased and obvious. If you need to read more on analogies and comparisons, I suggest you look at a GMAT study guide
OfDeath
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The comparison is not faulty. Once again you are attempting to use a contradictory straw man argument. Drug dealers are taking advantage of addiction, they are not simply providing a service in a safe manner. That's why prostitution isn't illegal everywhere but drug dealing is. If the prostitute was underage or forced into it, it would be wrong but we are not talking about that. We also ARE talking about the women who defend prostitution but scorn the customers. We are not comparing female and male sex workers in this case. The question is clearly "What do you think of the WOMEN who DEFEND or support sex workers, BUT SCORN MEN who go to them? so to attempt to shift the focus is creating a straw man fallacy. Notice that it is also THE women and not just women. We are talking about a very specific group of women in this case. You claim to be smart enough to see through the bullshit but you have clearly misunderstood the question itself. Once again I suggest reading my original comment.
Julietchicago
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@OfDeath it's not a straw man argument. How can someone be a hypocrite if it is not a direct comparison being made? It doesn't matter if drug dealing us illegal or not, the point if the argument is hypocrisy. There could be a million reasons to support a hooker that have nothing to do with a john. You could say you support her because she is her own boss or owning her sexuality. Does that mean you have to support her clientele? Absolutely not. If you want to talk about legal, this is the exact same thing as asking people if they are hypocrites because they support criminal defense attorneys, but not criminals. Criminals are fueling the money for a criminal defense attorney and we can respect their job, but does that mean we have to respect criminals? Absolutely not. Like I said before, if he wants to get into hypocrisy, he would have to ask, why do women support female hookers but not male hookers? Then he could have a valid argument. And if you look at some of the answers on here, they don't even understand the question.
OfDeath
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I suggest reading my previous comments again.
VanillaSalt
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Don’t bother this is her thing. She Makes stupid answers to twisted versions of questions for long responses.
Julietchicago
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@VanillaSalt it's not stupid at all, it's perfectly logical
ManOnFire
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@OfDeath "He is not using a faulty logic. He is talking about women who justify other women being sex workers but then attack men who use their services. If there were no men using the service, there would be no reason to justify becoming a sex worker. See how that works? Good talk." - That is exactly what I'm saying. Correct.
Julietchicago
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I still don't understand how that is hypocrisy. If clients didn't exist, neither would sex workers. So the support for sex workers wouldn't exist bc we can't support something that doesn't exist
ManOnFire
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@julietchicago You are really dense. There is no other way to explain it or crack the math. There are women who support sex workers - and some who even think it should be legal - but want to look at men who go to them, or WANT to go to them, as pathetic or crappy. You can NOT have it both ways. How in the world do you root for pussy sellers, but then scorn the very sales they get? Without these men the business would be nothing.
Julietchicago
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Yes you can have it both ways. Like I said, you can support criminal defense attorneys, but not criminals A sex worker, on average, is just trying to support herself financially. A john is trying to get his dick wet. Two different motives
OfDeath
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I suggest reading my previous comments
ManOnFire
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@OfDeath Dude, she literally is trying to make her wrong logic be true. What a fucking joke.
joeblow123
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@ManOnFire She is a feminist. She is being deliberately obtuse. I would stop giving her attention. She doesn't deserve it.
OfDeath
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@joeblow123 I know she is but I need her to realise that she hasn't properly understood anything I have said. If she had a point, I wouldn't have responded in the first place.
Julietchicago
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@OfDeath @joeblow123 lol! Just because I don't agree with the question, I'm a feminist? Do you label everyone who disagrees with you. My logic is correct. Then let me ask you this @ManOnFire, why do you think it's hypocritical? What is your view then? Do you support the hooker and the john? Or do you not support both? Because according to you, you either have to support both, neither or it's hypocritical. So which is it and why?
OfDeath
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Personally I support both as long as business is conducted in a safe manner. I can't speak for the others. To support prostitution but scorn it's customers is complete hypocrisy.
Julietchicago
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@OfDeath I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I read the strippers story on here and I know from experience that most guys who frequent strip clubs are scumbags. But that doesn't necessarily make the stripper a scumbag because her motive is completely different. She is doing it as a job
joeblow123
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@VanillaSalt When you take into consideration AOC is their fuhrurette stupidity is the what they operate on.
joeblow123
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@julietchicago A sex worker, on average, is just trying to turn a buck. Perhaps as a second job while the john is trying to get his sexual needs met. Two different perspectives.
joeblow123
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@julietchicago You just made a feminist argument right there. Excusing the women while crucifying the men. That makes you a feminist.
Julietchicago
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@joeblow123 lol! No because if it were the other way around, male sex workers and predator women, I'd feel the same. Plus I support make hookers, wish there were more
joeblow123
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@julietchicago "lol! No because if it were the other way around, male sex workers and predator women, I'd feel the same." JulietChicago presents Joeblow 123 with an argument he can't refute.
kemo56Xper 6
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I really don't know what to think in my opinion if I want to get a refrigerator moved I look for someone that's got the body to move that refrigerator and then I pay them for doing the work if I want to get relief for tension in my shoulders I go to a masseuse and I'll pay her to relieve the tension in my neck but a much bigger problem is if you have sexual tension why shouldn't you be able to find somebody that's got the body that's going to be able to help you out and relieve that tension and her get paid to me it would make possibly make women safer out because a guy can get some without going and taking it but then again I can't quite comprehend that anyway so I don't know but I don't know why they would defend the sex workers and he condemned their clients which is how they make money so I don't understand
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GlitterFairy16Xper 5
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I honestly couldn't give a shit either way unless it was illegal how they were going about it and the woman were being forced into sex work
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JosyJosyMaster
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Weird, supporting a profession but hating the source of how that profession earns money? Just stupid
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Julietchicago
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I'm sure people love drug dealers, but hate junkies, right?
JosyJosy
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@Julietchicago goes for everything on this planet
Archerer
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@Julietchicago That is a very good comparison
chapawapaXper 7
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That there thought process is very jumbled
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elizamichale1Guru
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Really? Is that a thing? I have been a prostitute for quite a while now but i haven't come across one who thinks this way Except some of my fellow colleagues who believe these guys cheat on their girlfriend/wife thatswhy they are trash I dont think that way though
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DavidHart
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Are u doing good?
ManOnFire
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@elizamichale1 I'm not saying other hookers think like that. I'm talking about women who support them.
elizamichale1
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@DavidHart yea i am doing alright but this covid has affected us soooooooooooo badly
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elizamichale1
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Yea i understand your point
connythebaker
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"... i haven't come across one who thinks this way" You are probably wise enough to avoid watching the feminists debates on mainstreem media then. Or puplic opinion is a lot different in the UK. In Germany we still have oldschool men-haters on TV who dominate the debate. Most violence against prostitues probably happens in a context where prostitution already is illegal - only that it never is reported, we only read estimates that ten-thousands of African women are being trafficed to Europe into forced prostitution and maybe of a few dozen who escape each year. On the other hand a prominent case of procuration in an registered brothel in Germany led to new calls to outlaw prostitution entirely. People tend to overlook the fact that police can only control the locations they know of... But abuse that is never heard of is probably more convenient than abuse that is discovered, ended and eventually ends in jail terms for the perpetrators.
DavidHart
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@elizamichale1 i notice some sex worker is now doing Video Call service since the beginning of pandemic. Don't u (and your colleagues) do the same?
hi_it_is_me123
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@connythebaker that is why i think police should control these places where prostitution happen. I have heard. Most of the prostitutes are forced in germany
connythebaker
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@hi_it_is_me123 Actually impossible to say how big the percentage of forced, addiction-related, etc. is. Germany does not spend enough money on policing so we simply do not have any reliable numbers on that. However I am certain that the vast majority of women who pay taxes for it are in a decent position. Also if she has rented her own flat for work this is a good sign. Maybe punters should ask for a tax-receipt in order to be sure? Technically she would need to be able to provide one, I believe.
elizamichale1
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@connythebaker well yea i actually never watch debates or other politics or so shows on tv And oh we do have haters here as well and many of them are women (let me give u a terrible example from my own life - once i got off work and at the bus stop there was this elderly lady looking at me and my manager, n after a while my manager opened the buttons of my blazer to see teeth marks of someone on my tits which i was telling him about... and as we are minding our own business on a side this lady walked upto me n asked if i was an escort n the manager said yes she is but now she has called it a day n that lady literally spat on my face which i could avoid only luckily) And in my experience most violence happens to the prostitutes working from streets
elizamichale1
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@DavidHart no i have been working from home lol
DavidHart
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@elizamichale1 hope things will get better at least for you soon. Nice day, Eliza.
elizamichale1
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@DavidHart yesss i hope so Thanks for the wishful thinking though
connythebaker
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Well streets is extreme ofc, but in Belgium there are redlight districts with trafficed women in the display windows. Here in Germany you can find a lot of young (white-) russian girls on websites. This prostitution takes place in privately rented flats, sometimes temporarily rented via airbnb or the like. Not all but many of these russian woman will either be trafficed or be exploited by "lovermen". There are clear signs though, like no German/English, if the appointment was online she might have no intent to confirm what has been negotiated (someone else did that for her), etc. etc.
hi_it_is_me123
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@connythebaker i have watched a docu about this. man i hate how germany, a wealthy developed country, can be that careless about prostitution. It is a shame. I dont know if this also happens in austriam i hope not
connythebaker
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@hi_it_is_me123 Be sure it does. There is not much difference between western countries. Worst is in countries where they outlaw prostitution entirely. Vast illegal prostitution and nobody seems to care as there is political pressure on police not to look too closely (guys in power hate to admit their policies failed, after all...)
hi_it_is_me123
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But how can't they notice it is illegal prostitution. You have to be registered before becoming a prostitute
elizamichale1
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@connythebaker well yes ofcourse if its happening in private flats or other places there are more chances of exploitation N this is the reason i work through a club eventhough they keep a large chunk of the money n i get only a little but still i prefer to work through them
connythebaker
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Does that club keep percentages of earnings from "full service" work? Because that would be illegal in Germany, procuration. Clubs may only rent out rooms here and from strippers they might ask a percentage of their tips but the latter might already not stand in court. Also: Have you ever considered doing cam work? Can take a while to build up a client base but earning potential should be far higher. Plus improved safety.
elizamichale1
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@connythebaker yup they take a huge chunk but me n other girls have agreed to it in written though N they ensure to provide us safety n health benefits etc. Yea i have heard but it doesn't really inspire me tbh, i dont see myself just fingerring or playing with toys on cam
connythebaker
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I see, so you actually like that job? That is pretty rare. Most prostitues I met were ok with it in a similar way a factory worker is ok with him standing next to a conveyor belt. And tbh I am not any more happy with the work that I do on most days. XD
elizamichale1
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@connythebaker hehe i know but i always say i am very very lucky to be in this work coz i like it love it n enjoy it Its the best job for me, i make good money plus my job is to do things which i like to do hehe
connythebaker
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This is really cool. I admire prostitutes who actually have some work ethics. They are probably the best therapists available and easily worth several times the default rates.
elizamichale1
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@connythebaker you are sooooo right darling
DavidHart
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@elizamichale1 do u mind sharing your charge on your clients for particular service they ask from u?
joeblow123
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@elizamichale1 I have no problem with prostitutes and I support the legalization of prostitution. "Except some of my fellow colleagues who believe these guys cheat on their girlfriend/wife thatswhy they are trash" If the girl I was seeing had that misandric mindset I would discontinue seeing her and seek out a woman who didn't have that mindset.
elizamichale1
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@DavidHart sharing my charge? What do u mean i didn't quite get it honey
elizamichale1
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@joeblow123 fair enough i guess And thanks for supporting us honey😘😘😘😘
DavidHart
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@elizamichale1 i mean (for example) How much do u charge your client for sex. or BJ alone.. Then if your client want anal, how much do charge for it. How long is the duration? is there any limit to how many shots (male climax) to particular price?
hi_it_is_me123
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@joeblow @eliziachale1 how is that fair enouh. I also support sex sex worker but not cheaters who cheat their partner with prostitutes Cheaters deserve the worst. People who justify cheating are trash
elizamichale1
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@DavidHart well yess the prices are according to what a client is interested in like just vaginal or just anal or both or just a bj Some even come n pay n just like to watch me play with myself I have given a bj for a tenner and usually for 50 quids N the sex prices goes upto 950 quids
elizamichale1
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@hi_it_is_me123 @joeblow123 well i also do not support or cheaters and i think nobody would want to defend cheating But when someone comes to me n books me he is just a client to me who hired me n in no way i could know if he is cheating someone or if he is single etc
DavidHart
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@elizamichale1 How much for (let's say) a) 1 or 2 Hour of vaginal sex including common foreplay (BJ, French Kiss, etc) with 2 to 3 shots (climaxes) b) same as (a) but it is for overnight duration with unlimited shots.
elizamichale1
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@DavidHart lol you can ask me these details in dm otherwise people would blame me that i am trying to sell my services n looking for clients here
JackieJaiiXper 5
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Look idc how you earn your money. Just don't shame a service that you use like escorts or only fans. Just know that I'm a STD paranoid sob so expect to sit on plastic if you come in my house
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apple24Master
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I don’t know how to feel. I am pretty sure sex workers should still have rights. Right now, if I were a sex worker I would just do only fans but nothing else.
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Wolkmi
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If men have that option...
apple24
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@Wolkmi they do. A lot of men have a thing for other men
bluetoblack99
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They only have that option if their homo. Most guys are straight. Even the accusation of being homo is still a very deep insult 2020 or not. Only 0.000000001% of guys can make a living being a male escort for women. And those guys have to wait on the woman (who is likely 20+ years older) hand and foot for the entire day (s). There are also male porn stars but those guys have to be both extremely good looking AND exceptionally well endowed. I heard they don’t make that much money too in comparison to women But tbh even if I had the means to be in that profession I wouldn’t want it. I had to sacrifice to put myself through college and later work hard to pay off the debt. A guy can’t say “well I was trying to get through college” or “I had no other way of making money”. No we have to work undesirable often hard labor jobs if we don’t have a skill set or end up on the street. We don’t paid to lay on our backs.
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apple24
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@bluetoblack99 l am just saying you could sell to anyone!!! I didn’t mean it in a harmful way more of a matter of fact.
apple24
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Dude you will never know if you don’t try!!! Anything is possible! You think girls don’t get lonely? And you could just Take pictures. You don’t have to slee with random women. \-: sorry to break it to you!!! Women don’t just lay back, did you think society will ever respect her after that? It’s hard regardless stop complaining
apple24
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My aunt always says, everything in life is hard? Nothing is as easy without consequence. Even actors, have to practice day everyday a script. Even your average burger flip has a work of order to do. Even someone taking nudes still have to accept odd request from strangers. It’s not just fun and easy.
bluetoblack99
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About 3 years ago I experimented with putting a shirtless pic (I do have nice abs) with my face blurred out on tinder. Just wanted to see how that would work. I literally got one match out of a 1000 swipes. And the very few girls that matched me... let’s just they weren’t exactly supermodels. But generally women do have a sexual advantage that be can be monetized. Yes they will lose respect if they do porn or prostitution. But I’m hearing more and more of them trying to justify it nowadays like they were “victims” to begin with. Unless they were kidnapped and/or coerced into they are no victim. Also any guy who does that profession is and always will be a sleazeball. But like I said earlier the vast majority of guys don’t have that kind of pull to begin with (unless their homo).
apple24
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@bluetoblack99 maybe, you were too picky. You said it your not a supermodel, why would you ask for one? The majority are fat and ugly including me. You can still make it work. You could have even started an escort app. I would have paid just to say I had a nice boyfriend for a family gathering. but your a bit negative, and thats not cute at all. I am lesbian and I don't want attention from men but if men are the customer who im I to judge.
joeblow123
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@apple24 "stop complaining" Lead by example. Men lodge legitimate complaints while women flip out over the name "Karen" or other trivial matters. How stupid is that?
apple24
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@joeblow123 lol that actually a guy thing.
apple24
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The genz guys starting calling them Karen’s. It original your sex that name them that.
joeblow123
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@apple24 Society also makes demands on men. If a man shows cowardice in the heat of battle society doesn't let him forget that either.
joeblow123
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@apple24 We were thinking about why they can't understand normal thinking.
apple24
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@joeblow123 huh? What are you from the 1900s. No one cares what men do to be honest.
joeblow123
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@apple24 "What are you from the 1900s." Where are you from? Amazonia-Matriarchial Evil Empire? "No one cares what men do to be honest." That is not exactly true.
bluetoblack99
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@apple24 I know I’m not going to get a supermodel. I actually did date two local models when I was younger. Both were not surprisingly fickle. I admit the arm candy felt good but I’m not a 25 year old hunk anymore. But I want someone who is somewhat on par with me. Not perfect but attractive enough that I want to sleep with them on a consistent basis. From what I’ve seen is that women have higher standards for men they date then themselves. I’m not talking about looks either. 3 years ago I had a fling going on with an instagram model. She wanted to date me because “I had a nice place”. The way she said it really pissed me off. Besides onlyfans she was essentially a bum.
apple24
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@bluetoblack99 well like the saying goes all the bad fruits is left behind and that includes everyone who isn’t married. I think that’s why my cousin got married young and then the crazy me stay alone. Lol Of course you have a right to choose anyone does. And wow, some girls want to live the life. Lol 😂
bluetoblack99
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Think twice next time you say something so depressing. I got to be optimistic but it hasn’t been easy. My options are much more limited than yours. I have only met one woman in my life I would of considered marrying. But cruel irony is she met me when I was going through a very difficult time in my life.
bluetoblack99
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But don’t say something shitty like “all the good girls are taken” to an older guy. I’m trying very hard to find someone decent right now. But I’m dealing with feelings of frustration, isolation, depression, anger and even rage. I make a good living and I’m in good health/fit. I know there has to be someone decent out there. I’m looking. But don’t throw our naive insults. I usually brush them off but it’s getting jarring.
R3DthatDudeYoda
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I call them the Carole Baskin effect. They say something is evoke but they themselves do it too
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R3DthatDude
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Not evoke I mean evil
hi_it_is_me123Yoda
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You dont understand it. I hate men who degrade or talk shit about sex workers but also enjoy their work and support them financially. Just hypocritical. And i dont understand why people especially men hate sex workers although they are the reason why this job exust since they mainly are the customers of these sex workers
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hi_it_is_me123
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Exist**
AllThatSweetJazz
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It shouldn't be that hard to grasp. They want a real connection in their lives and aren't getting it for prolonged time, that's understandably frustrating to say the least. So even though they don't like the sex worker for exploiting their sexuality and know that it's not a real connection with a woman -- just a farce -- the discomfort of their situation outweighs the aversion they have for her. Simple example, disabled men. Disabled men are over-represented among clients. Guys that paralyzed, missing limbs, have scar issue on 90% of their body from burns, who of course still want a real connection and can't have it because no girls wants them. I think it's quite understandable that they can hate going to prostitutes but feel like they have no other option -- it's very far (hatefully far) from their preference, but they're wretches, it's all they have.
ManOnFire
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@hi_it_is_me123 I think you don't understand the question.
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hi_it_is_me123
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@AllThatSweetJazz nah. You should have some respect. These men shouod be at least thankful to have sex with them
hi_it_is_me123
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@ManOnFire i dont know any women like that. Maybe they mean that men who go to them are the reason why forced or normal prostitution exist and the sex worker work because of financial reasons or because they were manipulated in it, so they can't get out of it. So why should they hate sex worker?
AllThatSweetJazz
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Not really. You can literally hate the prospect of going to a prostitute, but they also hate being completely cut off from intimacy. It makes perfect sense that they would be mad. They don't need to be thankful for a service they're paying for -- particularly one as basic to our existence as sex. And to any degree which you want them to be more polite when speaking about prostitutes, you can also stand to be more forgiving and understanding to that same degree.
hi_it_is_me123
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Then they should not be mad when sex workers reject them for his shitty behaviour. I know some who did that. Even it is paid, you should have some manner and be nice. I dont understand why do people hate sex workers since they dont do a shit to anyone
AllThatSweetJazz
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If they are shitty, yeah. And? Most will be polite to people, that doesn’t mean everything is hunky-dory. They can smile on the outside and still hate the situation they are in, and they aren’t obligate to like it. How about the alternative? The prostitutes should be thankful toward their clients and never complain about shitty-ness, only fair right? “Even it is paid, you should have some manner and be nice.” All you’re saying here is that people should be polite to each other’s faces, it’s the smallest of potatoes considering the depth of anguish associated with these circumstances. “I dont understand why do people hate sex workers since they dont do a shit to anyone” They have sex for money, that’s what they do. There’s plenty of context and meaning wrapped up in that which people are allowed to hate. But consider this, you don’t like these guys and complain about them when they’re not doing shit to anyone either. And if that’s how you’re going to frame it, then don’t these guys get the same consideration?
hi_it_is_me123
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These prostitutes would not be even there and would not have to do shit work. For what sake should they be thankful? For getting raped every day if they are forced or because they have been manipulated? And so what if they get money for sex? Then dont give them money. Then society help these women if they dont like them to be prostitutes. Most of them dont just do because it is their dream job.
hi_it_is_me123
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And they also pay taxes from which you indirectly profit and it is a job. You also dont do your work for free, why should they? Are you bad now?
hi_it_is_me123
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I only hate hypocritical idiots and bastards who know that the prostitute is forced but still use her.
AllThatSweetJazz
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“For what sake should they be thankful?” Clientele providing them business. If there’s no clientele then they have to find a new line of work. “For getting raped every day if they are forced or because they have been manipulated?” If they’re forced into it and it’s not a legal business then why should anyone be thankful? Is fucked up people catering to fucked up needs. Again, small potatoes because the place to start is to make it legal and not complain about how nice people are. If don’t consider it a legitimate business, then that’s where you should be starting. “And so what if they get money for sex? Then dont give them money.” Hey, look at that, most don’t, go figure. But here we’re talking about people who are at a point in their lives where the alternative is at least comparability painful for them. “Most of them dont just do because it is their dream job.” And most guys don’t just go to it because it’s their dream fuck. “And they also pay taxes from which you indirectly profit and it is a job.” Clients pay taxes too, which the prostitutes benefit from. “You also dont do your work for free, why should they?” I never said work for free, but that has nothing to do with your working being respectable. “I only hate hypocritical idiots and bastards who know that the prostitute is forced but still use her.” We’ll then you’re talking about a completely different and much smaller subset than originally defined, and I go back to the position of: start by going about the business legally before nit-picking at the client’s attitude.
hi_it_is_me123
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Nobody has to like them but people should treat them nice except they dont have common manners. I personally respect them more than anybody since they help to stop rape cases.
hi_it_is_me123
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I swear no prostitute should accept a loser who dont respect her. I am happy that prostitutes I knew do that.
hi_it_is_me123
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And forced prostitution is not that uncommon and even in germany. Girls from other countries were manipulated in it and could not get out of it because of financial reasons. That is why i can't really stand people going there since the number of forced prostitutes is high and it is very likely you will end up having sex with such a prostitute aka raping her indirectly.
hi_it_is_me123
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By the i am also talking legal prostitution and girls from foreign countries getting manipulated in it and end up being a prostitute in germany/ austria where prostitution is legal. It is still forced prostitution and many of them even can't get help. No wonder why hiring prostitute is so cheap in germany/austria
AkshiJanjua
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There are better jobs than being a prostitute that's why i hate prostitutes
hi_it_is_me123
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They dont have Options
joeblow123Xper 6
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Those are called "feminists". They are a waste of life as far as I am concerned.
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Ch3rryPiXper 2
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I think most women are opposed to the idea of their own man going to one, not necessarily all men.
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Tom1089
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But then it begs the question as to why would a married man or a boy friend want to go there in the first place. If he cannot be honest with his partner and admit there is an issue with the relationship what is the point of even being together.
joeblow123
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@Tom1089 Or the wife and girlfriend are not doing their part.
Tom1089
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Its easy to focus one one side. Why are they not doing there part?
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joeblow123
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@Tom1089 There are a variety of reasons. From the woman is an invalid on one side to being a selfish, narcissistic bitch on the other.
Tom1089
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Wow thats a bit extreme, so because they are disabled you have to go and find it else where?
joeblow123
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@Tom1089 That would depend on the extent of the disability and whatever deal the husband and wife have worked out. Like I said there are a lot of variables.
worldscolideMaster
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Simply put, they are hypocrites.
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mikee2020Xper 4
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hypocrites
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Unit1Editor
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Hypocrites, that should be blocked.
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TacosRAwesomeMaster
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People can chose to live how they want but if a sex worker doesn't have clients they'll be out of a job.
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AllThatSweetJazzGuru
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@hi_it_is_me123 Well that's just a suggestion that people should be polite in general. Politeness is nice and all but I think there's more weighty issues at play here so I'm not going to get uppity about it.
"I swear no prostitute should accept a loser who dont respect her." Prostitutes can certainly hold that position if they want, but no amount of pretense will just make it more respectable and the vast majority of clients don't respect it. There's a difference between respect felt for someone and the politeness or respect that is outwardly shown. How many guys would choose a prostitute over a genuine connection with a girl and intimacy that doesn't have a price tag attached? I would bet that it's very few. Obviously, most don't want to be there and would opt for an alternative if they could, so they hate it and don't really respect it -- what they do is tolerate it.
"And forced prostitution is not that uncommon and even in germany." Again, start by make sure all that shit is above board before complaining about people's mere attitude. If you're talking specifically about these kinds of shady situations then I care *even less* than before about people's attitude -- there are bigger issues to concern yourself with and whatever hypocrisy you think is going on, that really is the *smallest and silliest* problem with the whole thing.
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30 62Of you support woman having sex for money, you should also allow men to pay for sex!
If not... you are just picking sides tbh!
I think it’s hypocritical.
I have a lot of friends who have or do sex work, and I fully support them and their choices. If someone wants to go to one, go for it
Same here. Being a camgirl seriously appears to outperform doing escort jobs in recent years though. Most women I am still in contact with have either quit or switched from offline to online. I will leave you a follow for that nice avatar by the way.. - So rare to meet OTO folks outside of dedicated communities. XD
"What do you think of women. . ."
First mistake.
Lmfao.
your question is not valid because you are comparing two completely different groups. If you want it to be valid, you have to compare male sex workers to female sex workers. And women who support female sex workers also support male sex workers
No, you're trying to slice it how you want it. Pretty much everyone else who answered got it.
No, you framed the question in a way where women look like villians. I'm just smart enough to see through the bullshit
@julietchicago No. It is very valid because it is a problem that actually exists. Just like stray bullets.
@julietchicago That's because they are the villains.
@joeblow123 you don't understand. Re-read what I said. He is using faulty comparison.
He is not using a faulty logic. He is talking about women who justify other women being sex workers but then attack men who use their services. If there were no men using the service, there would be no reason to justify becoming a sex worker. See how that works? Good talk.
@OfDeath it's still faulty. A comparison would be female sex workers to male sex workers. It's like asking why do people like the judicial system, but not criminals? When criminals are keeping the judicial system in business. Or why do people like doctors but not patients? They are two separate groups. He is obviously just using the faulty comparison to start a gender war.
Uhh... No. It is the exact opposite of the judicial system and criminals. Nobody defends criminals except criminal defence lawyers and even they just try to get them to plead guilty in order to get a more lenient sentence. What you are doing is creating a straw man fallacy. You have created a separate, unrelated and even contradictory argument in order to attempt to attack the original point. Read my previous response again.
@OfDeath wrong. What would be a direct comparison to a female hooker? A male hooker. This question is trying to compare two completely different things, a seller group with a buyer group. It's like asking why do people support drug dealers, but not drug addicts? Does it make someone hypocritical to support drug dealers, but not addicts? No it doesn't, because drug dealer is a profession made up of a certain group of people and addicts are a different group of people, one no one really likes. Therefore, this comparison is faulty and the author asks it in order to try and draw a conclusion that women are hypocrites since he has personal issues against women. It's biased and obvious. If you need to read more on analogies and comparisons, I suggest you look at a GMAT study guide
The comparison is not faulty. Once again you are attempting to use a contradictory straw man argument. Drug dealers are taking advantage of addiction, they are not simply providing a service in a safe manner. That's why prostitution isn't illegal everywhere but drug dealing is. If the prostitute was underage or forced into it, it would be wrong but we are not talking about that. We also ARE talking about the women who defend prostitution but scorn the customers. We are not comparing female and male sex workers in this case. The question is clearly "What do you think of the WOMEN who DEFEND or support sex workers, BUT SCORN MEN who go to them? so to attempt to shift the focus is creating a straw man fallacy. Notice that it is also THE women and not just women. We are talking about a very specific group of women in this case. You claim to be smart enough to see through the bullshit but you have clearly misunderstood the question itself. Once again I suggest reading my original comment.
@OfDeath it's not a straw man argument. How can someone be a hypocrite if it is not a direct comparison being made? It doesn't matter if drug dealing us illegal or not, the point if the argument is hypocrisy. There could be a million reasons to support a hooker that have nothing to do with a john. You could say you support her because she is her own boss or owning her sexuality. Does that mean you have to support her clientele? Absolutely not. If you want to talk about legal, this is the exact same thing as asking people if they are hypocrites because they support criminal defense attorneys, but not criminals. Criminals are fueling the money for a criminal defense attorney and we can respect their job, but does that mean we have to respect criminals? Absolutely not. Like I said before, if he wants to get into hypocrisy, he would have to ask, why do women support female hookers but not male hookers? Then he could have a valid argument. And if you look at some of the answers on here, they don't even understand the question.
I suggest reading my previous comments again.
Don’t bother this is her thing. She Makes stupid answers to twisted versions of questions for long responses.
@VanillaSalt it's not stupid at all, it's perfectly logical
@OfDeath "He is not using a faulty logic. He is talking about women who justify other women being sex workers but then attack men who use their services. If there were no men using the service, there would be no reason to justify becoming a sex worker. See how that works? Good talk." - That is exactly what I'm saying. Correct.
I still don't understand how that is hypocrisy. If clients didn't exist, neither would sex workers. So the support for sex workers wouldn't exist bc we can't support something that doesn't exist
@julietchicago You are really dense. There is no other way to explain it or crack the math. There are women who support sex workers - and some who even think it should be legal - but want to look at men who go to them, or WANT to go to them, as pathetic or crappy. You can NOT have it both ways. How in the world do you root for pussy sellers, but then scorn the very sales they get? Without these men the business would be nothing.
Yes you can have it both ways. Like I said, you can support criminal defense attorneys, but not criminals A sex worker, on average, is just trying to support herself financially. A john is trying to get his dick wet. Two different motives
I suggest reading my previous comments
@OfDeath Dude, she literally is trying to make her wrong logic be true. What a fucking joke.
@ManOnFire She is a feminist. She is being deliberately obtuse. I would stop giving her attention. She doesn't deserve it.
@joeblow123 I know she is but I need her to realise that she hasn't properly understood anything I have said. If she had a point, I wouldn't have responded in the first place.
@OfDeath @joeblow123 lol! Just because I don't agree with the question, I'm a feminist? Do you label everyone who disagrees with you. My logic is correct. Then let me ask you this @ManOnFire, why do you think it's hypocritical? What is your view then? Do you support the hooker and the john? Or do you not support both? Because according to you, you either have to support both, neither or it's hypocritical. So which is it and why?
Personally I support both as long as business is conducted in a safe manner. I can't speak for the others. To support prostitution but scorn it's customers is complete hypocrisy.
@OfDeath I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I read the strippers story on here and I know from experience that most guys who frequent strip clubs are scumbags. But that doesn't necessarily make the stripper a scumbag because her motive is completely different. She is doing it as a job
@VanillaSalt When you take into consideration AOC is their fuhrurette stupidity is the what they operate on.
@julietchicago A sex worker, on average, is just trying to turn a buck. Perhaps as a second job while the john is trying to get his sexual needs met. Two different perspectives.
@julietchicago You just made a feminist argument right there. Excusing the women while crucifying the men. That makes you a feminist.
@joeblow123 lol! No because if it were the other way around, male sex workers and predator women, I'd feel the same. Plus I support make hookers, wish there were more
@julietchicago "lol! No because if it were the other way around, male sex workers and predator women, I'd feel the same." JulietChicago presents Joeblow 123 with an argument he can't refute.
I really don't know what to think in my opinion if I want to get a refrigerator moved I look for someone that's got the body to move that refrigerator and then I pay them for doing the work if I want to get relief for tension in my shoulders I go to a masseuse and I'll pay her to relieve the tension in my neck but a much bigger problem is if you have sexual tension why shouldn't you be able to find somebody that's got the body that's going to be able to help you out and relieve that tension and her get paid to me it would make possibly make women safer out because a guy can get some without going and taking it but then again I can't quite comprehend that anyway so I don't know but I don't know why they would defend the sex workers and he condemned their clients which is how they make money so I don't understand
I honestly couldn't give a shit either way unless it was illegal how they were going about it and the woman were being forced into sex work
Weird, supporting a profession but hating the source of how that profession earns money? Just stupid
I'm sure people love drug dealers, but hate junkies, right?
@Julietchicago goes for everything on this planet
@Julietchicago That is a very good comparison
That there thought process is very jumbled
Really? Is that a thing? I have been a prostitute for quite a while now but i haven't come across one who thinks this way
Except some of my fellow colleagues who believe these guys cheat on their girlfriend/wife thatswhy they are trash
I dont think that way though
Are u doing good?
@elizamichale1 I'm not saying other hookers think like that. I'm talking about women who support them.
@DavidHart yea i am doing alright but this covid has affected us soooooooooooo badly
Yea i understand your point
"... i haven't come across one who thinks this way" You are probably wise enough to avoid watching the feminists debates on mainstreem media then. Or puplic opinion is a lot different in the UK. In Germany we still have oldschool men-haters on TV who dominate the debate. Most violence against prostitues probably happens in a context where prostitution already is illegal - only that it never is reported, we only read estimates that ten-thousands of African women are being trafficed to Europe into forced prostitution and maybe of a few dozen who escape each year. On the other hand a prominent case of procuration in an registered brothel in Germany led to new calls to outlaw prostitution entirely. People tend to overlook the fact that police can only control the locations they know of... But abuse that is never heard of is probably more convenient than abuse that is discovered, ended and eventually ends in jail terms for the perpetrators.
@elizamichale1 i notice some sex worker is now doing Video Call service since the beginning of pandemic. Don't u (and your colleagues) do the same?
@connythebaker that is why i think police should control these places where prostitution happen. I have heard. Most of the prostitutes are forced in germany
@hi_it_is_me123 Actually impossible to say how big the percentage of forced, addiction-related, etc. is. Germany does not spend enough money on policing so we simply do not have any reliable numbers on that. However I am certain that the vast majority of women who pay taxes for it are in a decent position. Also if she has rented her own flat for work this is a good sign. Maybe punters should ask for a tax-receipt in order to be sure? Technically she would need to be able to provide one, I believe.
@connythebaker well yea i actually never watch debates or other politics or so shows on tv And oh we do have haters here as well and many of them are women (let me give u a terrible example from my own life - once i got off work and at the bus stop there was this elderly lady looking at me and my manager, n after a while my manager opened the buttons of my blazer to see teeth marks of someone on my tits which i was telling him about... and as we are minding our own business on a side this lady walked upto me n asked if i was an escort n the manager said yes she is but now she has called it a day n that lady literally spat on my face which i could avoid only luckily) And in my experience most violence happens to the prostitutes working from streets
@DavidHart no i have been working from home lol
@elizamichale1 hope things will get better at least for you soon. Nice day, Eliza.
@DavidHart yesss i hope so Thanks for the wishful thinking though
Well streets is extreme ofc, but in Belgium there are redlight districts with trafficed women in the display windows. Here in Germany you can find a lot of young (white-) russian girls on websites. This prostitution takes place in privately rented flats, sometimes temporarily rented via airbnb or the like. Not all but many of these russian woman will either be trafficed or be exploited by "lovermen". There are clear signs though, like no German/English, if the appointment was online she might have no intent to confirm what has been negotiated (someone else did that for her), etc. etc.
@connythebaker i have watched a docu about this. man i hate how germany, a wealthy developed country, can be that careless about prostitution. It is a shame. I dont know if this also happens in austriam i hope not
@hi_it_is_me123 Be sure it does. There is not much difference between western countries. Worst is in countries where they outlaw prostitution entirely. Vast illegal prostitution and nobody seems to care as there is political pressure on police not to look too closely (guys in power hate to admit their policies failed, after all...)
But how can't they notice it is illegal prostitution. You have to be registered before becoming a prostitute
@connythebaker well yes ofcourse if its happening in private flats or other places there are more chances of exploitation N this is the reason i work through a club eventhough they keep a large chunk of the money n i get only a little but still i prefer to work through them
Does that club keep percentages of earnings from "full service" work? Because that would be illegal in Germany, procuration. Clubs may only rent out rooms here and from strippers they might ask a percentage of their tips but the latter might already not stand in court. Also: Have you ever considered doing cam work? Can take a while to build up a client base but earning potential should be far higher. Plus improved safety.
@connythebaker yup they take a huge chunk but me n other girls have agreed to it in written though N they ensure to provide us safety n health benefits etc. Yea i have heard but it doesn't really inspire me tbh, i dont see myself just fingerring or playing with toys on cam
I see, so you actually like that job? That is pretty rare. Most prostitues I met were ok with it in a similar way a factory worker is ok with him standing next to a conveyor belt. And tbh I am not any more happy with the work that I do on most days. XD
@connythebaker hehe i know but i always say i am very very lucky to be in this work coz i like it love it n enjoy it Its the best job for me, i make good money plus my job is to do things which i like to do hehe
This is really cool. I admire prostitutes who actually have some work ethics. They are probably the best therapists available and easily worth several times the default rates.
@connythebaker you are sooooo right darling
@elizamichale1 do u mind sharing your charge on your clients for particular service they ask from u?
@elizamichale1 I have no problem with prostitutes and I support the legalization of prostitution. "Except some of my fellow colleagues who believe these guys cheat on their girlfriend/wife thatswhy they are trash" If the girl I was seeing had that misandric mindset I would discontinue seeing her and seek out a woman who didn't have that mindset.
@DavidHart sharing my charge? What do u mean i didn't quite get it honey
@joeblow123 fair enough i guess And thanks for supporting us honey😘😘😘😘
@elizamichale1 i mean (for example) How much do u charge your client for sex. or BJ alone.. Then if your client want anal, how much do charge for it. How long is the duration? is there any limit to how many shots (male climax) to particular price?
@joeblow @eliziachale1 how is that fair enouh. I also support sex sex worker but not cheaters who cheat their partner with prostitutes Cheaters deserve the worst. People who justify cheating are trash
@DavidHart well yess the prices are according to what a client is interested in like just vaginal or just anal or both or just a bj Some even come n pay n just like to watch me play with myself I have given a bj for a tenner and usually for 50 quids N the sex prices goes upto 950 quids
@hi_it_is_me123 @joeblow123 well i also do not support or cheaters and i think nobody would want to defend cheating But when someone comes to me n books me he is just a client to me who hired me n in no way i could know if he is cheating someone or if he is single etc
@elizamichale1 How much for (let's say) a) 1 or 2 Hour of vaginal sex including common foreplay (BJ, French Kiss, etc) with 2 to 3 shots (climaxes) b) same as (a) but it is for overnight duration with unlimited shots.
@DavidHart lol you can ask me these details in dm otherwise people would blame me that i am trying to sell my services n looking for clients here
Look idc how you earn your money. Just don't shame a service that you use like escorts or only fans. Just know that I'm a STD paranoid sob so expect to sit on plastic if you come in my house
I don’t know how to feel. I am pretty sure sex workers should still have rights. Right now, if I were a sex worker I would just do only fans but nothing else.
If men have that option...
@Wolkmi they do. A lot of men have a thing for other men
They only have that option if their homo. Most guys are straight. Even the accusation of being homo is still a very deep insult 2020 or not. Only 0.000000001% of guys can make a living being a male escort for women. And those guys have to wait on the woman (who is likely 20+ years older) hand and foot for the entire day (s). There are also male porn stars but those guys have to be both extremely good looking AND exceptionally well endowed. I heard they don’t make that much money too in comparison to women But tbh even if I had the means to be in that profession I wouldn’t want it. I had to sacrifice to put myself through college and later work hard to pay off the debt. A guy can’t say “well I was trying to get through college” or “I had no other way of making money”. No we have to work undesirable often hard labor jobs if we don’t have a skill set or end up on the street. We don’t paid to lay on our backs.
@bluetoblack99 l am just saying you could sell to anyone!!! I didn’t mean it in a harmful way more of a matter of fact.
Dude you will never know if you don’t try!!! Anything is possible! You think girls don’t get lonely? And you could just Take pictures. You don’t have to slee with random women. \-: sorry to break it to you!!! Women don’t just lay back, did you think society will ever respect her after that? It’s hard regardless stop complaining
My aunt always says, everything in life is hard? Nothing is as easy without consequence. Even actors, have to practice day everyday a script. Even your average burger flip has a work of order to do. Even someone taking nudes still have to accept odd request from strangers. It’s not just fun and easy.
About 3 years ago I experimented with putting a shirtless pic (I do have nice abs) with my face blurred out on tinder. Just wanted to see how that would work. I literally got one match out of a 1000 swipes. And the very few girls that matched me... let’s just they weren’t exactly supermodels. But generally women do have a sexual advantage that be can be monetized. Yes they will lose respect if they do porn or prostitution. But I’m hearing more and more of them trying to justify it nowadays like they were “victims” to begin with. Unless they were kidnapped and/or coerced into they are no victim. Also any guy who does that profession is and always will be a sleazeball. But like I said earlier the vast majority of guys don’t have that kind of pull to begin with (unless their homo).
@bluetoblack99 maybe, you were too picky. You said it your not a supermodel, why would you ask for one? The majority are fat and ugly including me. You can still make it work. You could have even started an escort app. I would have paid just to say I had a nice boyfriend for a family gathering. but your a bit negative, and thats not cute at all. I am lesbian and I don't want attention from men but if men are the customer who im I to judge.
@apple24 "stop complaining" Lead by example. Men lodge legitimate complaints while women flip out over the name "Karen" or other trivial matters. How stupid is that?
@joeblow123 lol that actually a guy thing.
The genz guys starting calling them Karen’s. It original your sex that name them that.
@apple24 Society also makes demands on men. If a man shows cowardice in the heat of battle society doesn't let him forget that either.
@apple24 We were thinking about why they can't understand normal thinking.
@joeblow123 huh? What are you from the 1900s. No one cares what men do to be honest.
@apple24 "What are you from the 1900s." Where are you from? Amazonia-Matriarchial Evil Empire? "No one cares what men do to be honest." That is not exactly true.
@apple24 I know I’m not going to get a supermodel. I actually did date two local models when I was younger. Both were not surprisingly fickle. I admit the arm candy felt good but I’m not a 25 year old hunk anymore. But I want someone who is somewhat on par with me. Not perfect but attractive enough that I want to sleep with them on a consistent basis. From what I’ve seen is that women have higher standards for men they date then themselves. I’m not talking about looks either. 3 years ago I had a fling going on with an instagram model. She wanted to date me because “I had a nice place”. The way she said it really pissed me off. Besides onlyfans she was essentially a bum.
@bluetoblack99 well like the saying goes all the bad fruits is left behind and that includes everyone who isn’t married. I think that’s why my cousin got married young and then the crazy me stay alone. Lol Of course you have a right to choose anyone does. And wow, some girls want to live the life. Lol 😂
Think twice next time you say something so depressing. I got to be optimistic but it hasn’t been easy. My options are much more limited than yours. I have only met one woman in my life I would of considered marrying. But cruel irony is she met me when I was going through a very difficult time in my life.
But don’t say something shitty like “all the good girls are taken” to an older guy. I’m trying very hard to find someone decent right now. But I’m dealing with feelings of frustration, isolation, depression, anger and even rage. I make a good living and I’m in good health/fit. I know there has to be someone decent out there. I’m looking. But don’t throw our naive insults. I usually brush them off but it’s getting jarring.
I call them the Carole Baskin effect. They say something is evoke but they themselves do it too
Not evoke I mean evil
You dont understand it. I hate men who degrade or talk shit about sex workers but also enjoy their work and support them financially. Just hypocritical. And i dont understand why people especially men hate sex workers although they are the reason why this job exust since they mainly are the customers of these sex workers
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It shouldn't be that hard to grasp. They want a real connection in their lives and aren't getting it for prolonged time, that's understandably frustrating to say the least. So even though they don't like the sex worker for exploiting their sexuality and know that it's not a real connection with a woman -- just a farce -- the discomfort of their situation outweighs the aversion they have for her. Simple example, disabled men. Disabled men are over-represented among clients. Guys that paralyzed, missing limbs, have scar issue on 90% of their body from burns, who of course still want a real connection and can't have it because no girls wants them. I think it's quite understandable that they can hate going to prostitutes but feel like they have no other option -- it's very far (hatefully far) from their preference, but they're wretches, it's all they have.
@hi_it_is_me123 I think you don't understand the question.
@AllThatSweetJazz nah. You should have some respect. These men shouod be at least thankful to have sex with them
@ManOnFire i dont know any women like that. Maybe they mean that men who go to them are the reason why forced or normal prostitution exist and the sex worker work because of financial reasons or because they were manipulated in it, so they can't get out of it. So why should they hate sex worker?
Not really. You can literally hate the prospect of going to a prostitute, but they also hate being completely cut off from intimacy. It makes perfect sense that they would be mad. They don't need to be thankful for a service they're paying for -- particularly one as basic to our existence as sex. And to any degree which you want them to be more polite when speaking about prostitutes, you can also stand to be more forgiving and understanding to that same degree.
Then they should not be mad when sex workers reject them for his shitty behaviour. I know some who did that. Even it is paid, you should have some manner and be nice. I dont understand why do people hate sex workers since they dont do a shit to anyone
If they are shitty, yeah. And? Most will be polite to people, that doesn’t mean everything is hunky-dory. They can smile on the outside and still hate the situation they are in, and they aren’t obligate to like it. How about the alternative? The prostitutes should be thankful toward their clients and never complain about shitty-ness, only fair right? “Even it is paid, you should have some manner and be nice.” All you’re saying here is that people should be polite to each other’s faces, it’s the smallest of potatoes considering the depth of anguish associated with these circumstances. “I dont understand why do people hate sex workers since they dont do a shit to anyone” They have sex for money, that’s what they do. There’s plenty of context and meaning wrapped up in that which people are allowed to hate. But consider this, you don’t like these guys and complain about them when they’re not doing shit to anyone either. And if that’s how you’re going to frame it, then don’t these guys get the same consideration?
These prostitutes would not be even there and would not have to do shit work. For what sake should they be thankful? For getting raped every day if they are forced or because they have been manipulated? And so what if they get money for sex? Then dont give them money. Then society help these women if they dont like them to be prostitutes. Most of them dont just do because it is their dream job.
And they also pay taxes from which you indirectly profit and it is a job. You also dont do your work for free, why should they? Are you bad now?
I only hate hypocritical idiots and bastards who know that the prostitute is forced but still use her.
“For what sake should they be thankful?” Clientele providing them business. If there’s no clientele then they have to find a new line of work. “For getting raped every day if they are forced or because they have been manipulated?” If they’re forced into it and it’s not a legal business then why should anyone be thankful? Is fucked up people catering to fucked up needs. Again, small potatoes because the place to start is to make it legal and not complain about how nice people are. If don’t consider it a legitimate business, then that’s where you should be starting. “And so what if they get money for sex? Then dont give them money.” Hey, look at that, most don’t, go figure. But here we’re talking about people who are at a point in their lives where the alternative is at least comparability painful for them. “Most of them dont just do because it is their dream job.” And most guys don’t just go to it because it’s their dream fuck. “And they also pay taxes from which you indirectly profit and it is a job.” Clients pay taxes too, which the prostitutes benefit from. “You also dont do your work for free, why should they?” I never said work for free, but that has nothing to do with your working being respectable. “I only hate hypocritical idiots and bastards who know that the prostitute is forced but still use her.” We’ll then you’re talking about a completely different and much smaller subset than originally defined, and I go back to the position of: start by going about the business legally before nit-picking at the client’s attitude.
Nobody has to like them but people should treat them nice except they dont have common manners. I personally respect them more than anybody since they help to stop rape cases.
I swear no prostitute should accept a loser who dont respect her. I am happy that prostitutes I knew do that.
And forced prostitution is not that uncommon and even in germany. Girls from other countries were manipulated in it and could not get out of it because of financial reasons. That is why i can't really stand people going there since the number of forced prostitutes is high and it is very likely you will end up having sex with such a prostitute aka raping her indirectly.
By the i am also talking legal prostitution and girls from foreign countries getting manipulated in it and end up being a prostitute in germany/ austria where prostitution is legal. It is still forced prostitution and many of them even can't get help. No wonder why hiring prostitute is so cheap in germany/austria
There are better jobs than being a prostitute that's why i hate prostitutes
They dont have Options
Those are called "feminists". They are a waste of life as far as I am concerned.
I think most women are opposed to the idea of their own man going to one, not necessarily all men.
But then it begs the question as to why would a married man or a boy friend want to go there in the first place. If he cannot be honest with his partner and admit there is an issue with the relationship what is the point of even being together.
@Tom1089 Or the wife and girlfriend are not doing their part.
Its easy to focus one one side. Why are they not doing there part?
@Tom1089 There are a variety of reasons. From the woman is an invalid on one side to being a selfish, narcissistic bitch on the other.
Wow thats a bit extreme, so because they are disabled you have to go and find it else where?
@Tom1089 That would depend on the extent of the disability and whatever deal the husband and wife have worked out. Like I said there are a lot of variables.
Simply put, they are hypocrites.
hypocrites
Hypocrites, that should be blocked.
People can chose to live how they want but if a sex worker doesn't have clients they'll be out of a job.
@hi_it_is_me123
Well that's just a suggestion that people should be polite in general. Politeness is nice and all but I think there's more weighty issues at play here so I'm not going to get uppity about it.
"I swear no prostitute should accept a loser who dont respect her."
Prostitutes can certainly hold that position if they want, but no amount of pretense will just make it more respectable and the vast majority of clients don't respect it. There's a difference between respect felt for someone and the politeness or respect that is outwardly shown. How many guys would choose a prostitute over a genuine connection with a girl and intimacy that doesn't have a price tag attached? I would bet that it's very few. Obviously, most don't want to be there and would opt for an alternative if they could, so they hate it and don't really respect it -- what they do is tolerate it.
"And forced prostitution is not that uncommon and even in germany."
Again, start by make sure all that shit is above board before complaining about people's mere attitude. If you're talking specifically about these kinds of shady situations then I care *even less* than before about people's attitude -- there are bigger issues to concern yourself with and whatever hypocrisy you think is going on, that really is the *smallest and silliest* problem with the whole thing.
I guess we're done here.