Sexual Relationships 
Sexual Health I notice on here that many guys will act quickly to call a woman “prostitute” or “golddigger” simply because she wants to be courted, taken out to fancy dinners, before having sex.
Obviously there are women who hook up even with men who disrespect them and hit them. So saying that there are women who have sex without expecting anything in return isn’t a valid argument.
To me, a man who chooses the “freeway” shows that he doesn’t value me enough to care to impress me. That in itself is a turnoff whether I am looking for something serious or not.
Again, Why is it wrong for women to expect to be treated generously before hooking up, but not for men to expect sex for nothing?
Why do many guys think they are entitled to effortless sex from women?
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33 186Well if you aren't willing to have sex unless money is being spent on you then it's not much of a stretch to say you're a prostitute.
And if the same girl who expects me to take her out to fancy restraunts has given free and effortless sex to other guys in the past then it really isn't worth spending any of my time/money on courting her.
If you aren't willing to spend money on a girl for sex, doesn't that make you a cheapskate/ entitled freeloader? There are millions of guys who are willing to court women and show her appreciation. Why should she settle for entitled freeloader?
Prostitution is a sex-based transaction with the objective of extracting $$$. Chicks whose primary objective is to have fun just want to be courted just want to be shown appreciation. Why should she share that experience with someone who thinks he shouldn't put in the effort? If all you want is sex, go hire a prostitute. But, don't expect girls with self-respect to give it up without you showing some kind of effort to attain that.
@babylips14 Freeloading would be if I was living with a girl and letting her pay for everything without contributing any money of my own. That is not what I am talking about. I am just referring to things being split 50/50 if we go on any dates that cost money. So if we go on a date, I pay for my half and she pays for her half, that is not considered freeloading by any normal person's definition of the word. There are millions of girls who are willing to split the bill so why would I want to date a girl who expects me pay for her half just because I am a guy? Especially when the same girls who would expect me to pay for her half and romance ger have more than likely had sex on the first date with other guys who didn't have to spend any money on her.
@babylips14 You talk about girls wanting to feel special/appreciated, well what does the girl do to make the guy feel special/appreciated? I definitely don't feel special paying for dates and spending time courting a girl if she has had sex with other guys on the first date for free. Quite the opposite actually, it feels insulting like she sees me as less valuable and less desirable compared to those other guys. And thats fine if thats how she feels about me but if thats the case I won't be wasting any of my time/money on her.
Because we're lazy, good-for-nothing varmints.
Are you serious? lol You're right if you're a freeloading, entitled jerkoff, but are you?
Well, I try not to be. How's that?
Do you believe in courtship?
@babylips14 Yes, I do.
Most men don't want to date prostitutes and the ones who do, enjoy whores, would rather just pay to play without all the bullshit.
But.. there is a market for your kind of whore, I think they generally call them selves "sugar babies" or something like that.
It's funny how you equate expecting effort to prostitution #Entitlement The primary objective of sex is to have fun. However, women with self-respect aren't going to share that experience with just anyone who crosses her path knowing that she has plenty of options. Especially if she's hot. If there are guys who are real chivalrous men willing to put in the effort to be with her, why should she settle for a guy who thinks he's entitled to it and won't do anything for her? This is a real life economic problem. Why settle for something you don't want when you have plenty of options that can give you what you're looking for? And my question to entitled, pieces of shit men like you who think that women should given them sex without expecting effort is "What makes you so special that she should settle for you?"
He don't need to pay to get a woman, sounds like more of a achievement to me.
Probably the same reason many women think they are entitled to effortless gifts and valuation from men.
There's more a woman can give than only sex. Sex isn't the only thing she has to give in order to be valued, or is it?
Do men offer no more than gifts and entertainment?
Of course they do. Like I said in my comment below, you guys are focusing too much on this 'fancy dinner' part.
I'm not focused on anything "too much". I answered the question directly. You may value meaningless blather, but I do not.
It doesn't seem so.
Check the stats. More men are willing to wait for sex than women are willing to wait for gifts and entertainment. Do you actually have a point?
Give me the stats then. Where are you getting them from?
See, in the real world grown men do their own research. Only women and children expect someone else to do it for them. Even a cursory google search would produce adequate results. Grow up or just go away.
I think a woman should respect herself enough to be wined and dined before having sex. Only a whore who has no respect for herself gives her pussy away like it was nothing. If anybody can have it, I don't want it. The boys who want pussy for free, they can have it, they deserve it. I want the pussy that takes me a month or two of sweet talking and wooing her to gain entry into sweetest of taste. That's the difference between a woman who values herself and a fucking whore who dosent. Are there any questions on the distinction between the two?
Amen! You couldn't have said it better!
i think no women deserves to be called a "fucking whore". especially not on womens day😅 and its like saying that the guy whos wasting his time to chase after only one female is a beta pussy
Some women have earned the title "whore" and then some. What you consider a waste of time and what I consider that to be, are two different things. Call it whatever you want, you do your thing and I'll do mine. I prefer quality over quantity any day. And by the way, some women actually like the term Whore. You must be a little young to understand how women operate. Dirty fucking whores love to be addressed as such. They know who they are. Makes them wet to hear a man call them what they truly are, does it not ladies?
Stop the slut shaming please. Consensual sex isn't immoral and it doesn't make one a whore.
Only a whore gives her pussy away like it was nothing? Mate you need to look up what the word whore means, it's pretty much the opposite of what you said.
Touche'... you pay for the pussy either way. I am also talking about the ones that don't come with a price, other than maybe clymidia.
You're a real man OP. Not like these snowflake pussy, worthless guys.
cuz u shouldn't expect things
Men don't have to court women and take them to dinners before getting sex. They can stop doing it. And they just won't get any sex. It's that simple
well i guess u have an odd view on the world, u know if i would have a women i wouldn't expect anything from her i would want things from her if u expect and somebody doesn't meet those expectations what will u do u will be dissapointed for your feelings but wtf like a man can do everything right,
Right. If you don't want to court women, then don't expect sex from them. It's that simple.
I've had sex with countless women that I never took on a date. You suffer from trying to make yourself valuable without ever getting in a relationship. Your view is not a common one though
I agree that an effort should be made. However, it does not necessarily involve a material or financial input.
I often see ladies having the view that men are the sponsor and women are the reward.
On my divorce day I heard the (stupid) phrase: "I gave you the best years of my life"
I answered: "So did I"
See what I mean?
Sex isn't a bargaining chip unless you're a whore.
It's funny how you equate expecting effort to being a whore #Entitlement The primary objective of sex is to have fun. However, women with self-respect aren't going to share that experience with just anyone who crosses her path knowing that she has plenty of options. Especially if she's hot. If there are real chivalrous men willing to put in the effort to be with her and treat her better, why should she settle for a guy who thinks he's entitled to it and won't do anything for her? This is a real life economic problem. Why invest in a poor quality product that isn't going to generate much for you when you have millions of other good-quality products that are going to reward your investments? And my question to entitled, men who think that women should given them sex without expecting effort is "What makes you so special that she should settle for you?"
So you're basically saying that men not generate any value unless they're giving things to women. Ha no. Any one who values themselves is not going to kiss ass just to be with someone. People who who want to be with you don't need to be put up on a pedestal because they already know you're worth while which is why they're interested.
What effort do you put in? You think batting your eyelashes and having sex with someone is effort?
Well, then go freeload from girls with low self-esteems. Girls with self-worth wouldn't give sex to any guy who walks up to us and asks for it. We choose those who are worth it.
You're the not worth it. Sex in exchange for things is prostitution.
Yeah, prostitues exchange sex ONLY for money. Good-quality girls want to have sex with the sole purpose of having fun, but only with guys who are worth it and don't feel entitled.
Value isn’t being given value or being told you have value. Real value is an illusion, in the end you are just a piece of meat to a man. So say whatever delusions you want to blanket your eyes and your brain into thinking you have class. Real women with real class, wouldn’t be on here posting such an absurd comment.
That's not how those words should be used. I think any guy that thinks he's "entitled" to sex doesn't understand that other people are as real as he is and should be avoided at all costs
There s nothing wrong with expectations, and valuing yourself. The issue is when a woman (or a man for that matter) starts using sex as a leverage to get free stuff. They play this hard to get game, without any expectation of really getting into a relationship or even having sex, it's just about using people. Such as people who use dating apps and websites to eat for free. nypost.com/.../
I agree that it's wrong to go out on dates for free meals and stuff, but that's not the primary objective for every woman.
Because whatever we allow will continue.
Cause SOME women prefer to be treated "generously" before a one night stand or whatever, and SOME men just prefer fuck and dump. it's not really a problem.
When men ask for sex, they get labelled as pigs, disgusting and generally receive a lot of shit from women.
When women ask for sex, they get labelled as gold diggers, whores, prostitutes and generally receive a lot of shit from men.
So as far as I see it we’re both as shit as each other.
I thought sex was something both the parties wanted when they decided to, hook up.
Now according to you, men want sex and women want fancy dinners and courtship.
Both of which is f**ked up. If u want to have sex with someone just do it. No one can force you, or expect something from you (effortlessly).
If you don't want to, just say so, and walk away, no harm done.
I think your confused. If I only got love when I spent 200 bucks on a date and a few gifts I think I would have to reevaluate my relationship. But I don't see anything slutty or golddiggering about a woman who didn't have sex on the first date.
And then they say they don't want a girl who's easy... smh
They're confusing. They don't want an easy chick but want her to put out with no effort. They don't want a woman who is so independent they don't feel needed but get mad when women want to be taken care of.
@LoloWaye it's the #doublestandard
Is it wrong to aspire to date people who can afford to take you out on these dates?
@babylips14 it's not wrong at all
Now, would it be shallow to break up with them for not being able to provide you with the kind of relationship-lifestyle you once had together, down the road, due to financial problems that arose? In essence, is ending a relationship due to drastic lifestyle change wrong?
They don't want a girl who is easy in sense of being with a lot of guys, for payment or not.
Because many girls believe that their pussy is impressing enough that they don't have to put any effort twards the dating beforehand.
So much truth to this statement. If I'm putting effort in I expect the same amount back... Or at least any effort...
I don't agree that women should believe their vagina is impressing enough, however men shouldn't believe that their dicks are impressing enough either. It goes both ways. However, courtship is a man's thing given that he's the one competing with other guys for her given that guys are thristy for sex. It's the leverage we as women have.
I agree, that is the leverage... Yet, men need to do a level of chasing, but it comes a point to where if it's to the point of a game... Which it reaches that level pretty quick with a lot of women I know, it's not worth it. I've dropped pursuing women because they thought that me trying to out do another guy would get them what they want. If she is showing genuine interest, we can move forward, if not... I've learned that I am better off making myself successful and women will come back too me crying.. (literally had girls come back begging to go on dates..) I don't waste much time trying to chase because it's pointless!
Porn, and jealousy
Sex should be a mutually agreed upon and pleasurable experience for both of you. Why should we have to add value to ourselves by taking you out both of us get to enjoy sex together? Maybe take him out to dinner for once. I don't expect sex for nothing, I expect both of us to want it, with each other. And Im worth it without adding something like money or jewelry to my worth as a person.
Fair enough. But I think the idea is that romance is also supposed to be a mutually agreed upon and pleasurable experience for both of you.
I do agree with that but the idea that that romance somehow entitles you/ will earn you the right to have sex is the part I disagree with
Also fair enough! Linking them together like some sort of transaction isn't very romantic anyway. I think the problem is that people get too caught up in movie cliches and romance novels and forget that courting isn't supposed to be a chore.
Right! I thouroughly enjoy the look on someone's face when I give them flowers and chocolates or layout rose petals all over the bedroom, it's not just a sexual thing I like putting in effort to the romance side as well, but don't do it expecting something in return, do it because the person is special and means something to you.
Yeah! Y'know, courting can be going out to see a movie you both like together. If you're gamers, it can be playing a game together! If you're into the idea of a romantic dinner out at a nice restaurant, it can be that! It's meant to be about bonding, not sacrifice.
God I wish I could find someone who is attractive and wants to play games with me! A little healthy competition is awesome for me in a relationship.