They might deny it, but the truth is a good portion of women really do fall for the guys who could be described as "bad boys", "players", "assholes", etc...
Because it's not the badness that the girls find attractive.
That's the quality that the so-called "nice" guys focus on, because then they can blame their singledom on the girls stupidity instead of the fault which lies in themselves and which they would have to change.
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DivAngelXper 3
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My last 2 long term relationships seemed like lovely, caring guys, but both cheated. I wanted a good guy but the only 2 guys I loved were bad
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KnightCross
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i am sorry for you, American society need to be reformed
DivAngel
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I live in the UK. Nothing to do with the society, most know the difference between right and wrong. And if a relationship isn't working for them they should break it off not cheat. Cheating is inexcusable and causes a lot of hurt.
KnightCross
+1 y
I'm surprised that Brittish lads are doing shit over there, but maybe you were just unlucky and not that most of them are assholes like that. and I know that cheating is totally inexcusable but people do because they don't care for morality and other people's feelings
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DivAngel
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You are very wise beyond your years. Cheating happens a lot of here, both girls and guys are guilty of it. And you hit the nail on the head they just don't care.
KnightCross
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thank you but i am not a teenager actually haha by the way I didn't know UK was that sluggish as you say it is... the whole Western world needs to be restored to their Catholic roots!! hahaha
DivAngel
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Haha it says you are 14. I think cheaters are everywhere and just in the UK. I am not a believer so I would not say people being more religious would make people less morally wrong. I don't believe in God but I am a good person through and through which comes from my upbringing.
KnightCross
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oh i see... look at my profile page i'm not from Antartica too haha by the way i can't believe you never believed in God ever nor never went to a church before
DivAngel
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I have been half asleep and stressed most the week so apologies. I don't believe I said never believed in God or never been in a church, I said don't as in this current. I believed in him for a short period and I stopped believing. And I have been in church just not to pray but to attend relatives weddings. I don't think my beliefs make me any less of a good human. Lots of people who believe in different religions. have committed evil atrocities.
KnightCross
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haha apologize for what? anyway are you overworking? by the way why did you stop believing? why don't you check out Sunday mass to see how it goes?
DivAngel
+1 y
Because I didn't read your profile correctly, I apologise too much haha. Not overworking, it has just been a stressful week. I have been to family Catholic weddings, they are long and my arse feels numb because I have been there so long. It was a very temporary belief, I was young. It just isn't for me. I don't go into epic debates about religion.
KnightCross
+1 y
when you were young? lol you say like you are an old granny haha by the way why do you say it's not for you? i don't believe God created somebody that is not fit for Him
DivAngel
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Yes before I was a teenager which is over 20 years ago haha. It just isn't, I don't debate religion or force my not believing on anyone. Every person is entitled to their own beliefs
KnightCross
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ok i believe that each one is entitled to their own opinions but knowing better a subject, in this case, religion, specifically Christianity, opens your mind to have more solid arguments to believe in your position and view on it :) and why when were you a teenager you believed?
DivAngel
+1 y
I am very well educated and a very smart and came to my own conclusion. You shouldn't assume what I do or do not know about various religions. My own reasons for temporary belief are exactly that my own and I will not need to justify that to someone I will never meet or become part of my life.
KnightCross
+1 y
haha chill lady! calm down i just asked a question no need to be that angry with that... isn't that sort of psychological defense mechanism?
DivAngel
+1 y
No I just don't debate about religion or have discussions about it. It bores me and talking about provides no use to my life
KnightCross
+1 y
i see... have you asked why you feel that bored and angry when Christianity comes to talk? don't need to answer me, answer yourself if you don't feel like it
DivAngel
+1 y
I know why I do not believe I just choose to keep it to myself and those who know me best.
KnightCross
+1 y
ok... i can understand your pain
DivAngel
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No only I will
KnightCross
+1 y
anything you can talk to me , i know how to be agood friend too besides being a good crusader haha
DivAngel
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I don't trust many new people in my life going by original post. You have no idea how much I was betrayed. And I don't tar everyone I meet with that brush I just don't trust easy
KnightCross
+1 y
i have an idea by the talk we are having right now... but anyway you can message to me in private any time not sure if it's a good idea if you keep exposing your weakness here openly in those comments
DivAngel
+1 y
I am strong not weak, don't let my comments fool. Anyone would have their guard up in my situation it is human nature
Mi2mi2aXper 6
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Not again! another whining man who can't get a girl!
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Uglyman1001
+1 y
That's little sexists don't you think? The same can be said about women who can't or couldn't get Mr. Right.
Mi2mi2a
+1 y
@Uglyman1001 They are whining woman if they bitch about the fact that men are only after bad girls
Uglyman1001
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Well the majority of women and probably even you will find me unattractive so I need not worry.
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Electric_Dreams
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@Uglyman1001 Oof! Boom! Burn! Yes! Get in! Ooooh! Damn that's gotta' hurt! .. are there any more? Any I haven't said yet?
RolandCuthbertEditor
+1 y
Why would you want a woman who is attracted to bad guys anyway?
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HungLikeAHorseflyGuru
+1 y
Well, there are two options at play here:
1. There's a global conspiracy in which all women in the world are trying to convince all men that they like Nice Guys, and then behave in a contradictory manner.
2. You're wrong.
Which do you think is more likely?
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LevinMaster
+1 y
No one likes a sycophant. You'd date a bad girl too if you had the choice :P
Bad boys are actually honest. And honesty is in short supply.
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VaIiantYoda
+1 y
Because the only redeemable quality in a self proclaimed “nice guy” is being nice, and most of the time he’s not.
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sc15022
+1 y
Because they don't want to seem slutty
VaIiant
+1 y
@sc15022 there are other qualities besides nice that aren’t slutty.
sc15022
+1 y
Girls like bad boys because it's what turns them on. Typically the bad boys are guys who know their way around a clit and that treat them like crap, which women also like. I'm not talking about physical or sexual abuse either
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sc15022
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It's also generally certain that nice guys are less confident in themselves and always try to bend over backwards to make themselves seem worthy. It makes the guy look pretty desperate and less manly. This coming from someone who also questioned the idea of why being a nice guy to girls didn't get me anywhere
VaIiant
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@sc15022 women like gentlemen. The ones who don’t call themselves “nice guys”. Maybe your problem is you chase girls, not women/ladies. (Not talking about age).
sc15022
+1 y
What qualities do ladies and gentleman have that makes them different from girls and guys?
VaIiant
+1 y
@sc15022 class.
sc15022
+1 y
Not everyone who conducts themselves in a decent manner is a good person
sc15022
+1 y
A guy could be much nicer to his own mother and friends than you, does that make him classy or not?
VaIiant
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@sc15022 class isn’t nice, it’s conducting yourself morally all the time. And lmao, I love that only guys downvoted this. Proving my point further.
sc15022
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What's immoral about being a bad boy?
VaIiant
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@sc15022 well, I’m not saying bad boys can’t be moral. I’m saying anyone who says they’re a “nice guy” as their main thing isn’t. But you just moved off the topic.
sc15022
+1 y
Okay I agree with you there, and I did. You gotta watch out for self-proclaimed nice guys, they're fuckin creeps sometimes 😂
sc15022
+1 y
Check out the nice guy subreddit for some laughter-inducing cringe
VaIiant
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@sc15022 haha, yeah. If one the man's quality is a nice, classy gentleman-ly guy, then hell yeah girls would be all over him. (or at least, ones who had self respect... most dont in this age) But most men now aren't like that, and the ones that are don't go around boasting it like "nice guys" do.
sc15022
+1 y
They typically start giving the gentlemen/nice guy more attention once it's too late. By then, they've already found someone else that's more attractive and younger. Yeah, never trust "nice guys", they finish last for a reason 😜
CubsterShuraEditor
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Same reason as why guys only drool over the cheap and fake girls.
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KnightCross
+1 y
what do you mean by "cheap and fake" girls?
CubsterShura
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@KnightCross what do you think?
hellionthesagereborn
+1 y
Most guys don't actually. Statistically guys preffer sweet girls. Though to be fair if a guy thinks he can get easy sex and is not looking for a relationship he will go after a fake girl, not because he is inclined towards her so much as she seems like she will put out easier. Personally Not my cup of tea, I prefer sweet and genuine (and a little nerdy) but then I have never been for casual sex.
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Electric_Dreams
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Wow. So young and naive. Cheap and fake girls, if they are the kind I think you are referring to, are an embarrassing disgrace. I'm thinking those idiots you see on shit like TOWIE, Geordie Shore, the Selena Gomez look all that, oh Kim Kardashian that's a good example! Yeah that's vile and disgusting to me, and actually a lot of guys I know seem to feel similar, albeit perhaps not quite as strongly as me. In my experience men seem to be put off by make up particularly when used in excess. My opinion is that a girl with excessive make up is not genuine, I don't see the real her, I can't connect with the real her. The qualities that make me attracted to a girl after all are character and personality traits, interests and passions. A hot girl to me is just that, and usually my crush was not someone I thought hot at first.. but gradually I see she is beautiful. I think you will benefit from learning, and opening your mind.
CubsterShura
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@Electric_Dreams I'm talking about real life, not celebs. I am actually saying that boys are after cheap and fake girls. The difference is that, girls who are ignored accept it and are actually happy that they are remaining pure. I know it because I have girl players in my friend circle. I always hear guys saying that they like girls who never gossip, but girls that I see ending up with boyfriends are all narcissists famous for backbiting.
Electric_Dreams
+1 y
Celebrities are a frighteningly present part of everyday life, they are considered as role models, as entertainment or as property by masses of people. This is not something I like but it is something I acknowledge to be true. Very little of what you're saying is making much sense to me.. it seems like you're talking about a microscopic part of this issue, like you have very limited experience in what you are talking about, and you do appear to be generalising. I have tried to explain to you why I don't agree with your assessment, I'm not going to repeat myself.
CubsterShura
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@Electric_Dreams How much would you call enough experience? Because I am saying what I see happening around me all the time.
Electric_Dreams
+1 y
This is highly frustrating because you appear to have a blatant case of tunnel vision. You are saying what you perceive to have seen around you, and if you're statements are a true reflection of all that you see, not leaving out anything else, then I believe you are so tragically cynical and negative that you are not seeing the positive. Your apparent inability to grasp what I am saying, which at its most simple is that you are wrong, makes me believe that I cannot make you understand. I hope as you grow older you develop a less biased, more open minded perception of the way people around you think about each other... at the moment the way you speak makes me think you're actually a character (not a person) on something like TOWIE or Geordie Shore, y'know living in a world where everyone is a shallow, superficial character. I think you just need time to develop and open your mind.
CubsterShura
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@Electric_Dreams You aren't understanding what I mean. Believe me when I say this, nice girls are very much underrated. Just how nice guys are. And you speaking of being open-minded? That is one thing that I have been forever bullied for. I am literally judged for being open minded. I am no way saying that all people are shallow or whatsoever. I am only stating the truth. I neither have time, nor money nor the wish to interfere in other people's lives and judge them. But I'm saying what I know. You know what? I better stop here. Because you boys will always be unwilling to understand us, and then y'all share memes stating how hard girls are to understand.
Electric_Dreams
+1 y
Your argument doesn't make any sense. It's highly erratic and contradictory. You are so open minded that you are bullied for it, yet you say "guys only drool over cheap and fake girls". When you said this you were saying that you believe guys only want girls like this i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/.../...how-off-their-tums.png
Despite the fact that myself and the majority of guys I know seem to find girls like that anywhere from unsettling to horrifying (the latter in my case).
CubsterShura
+1 y
@Electric_Dreams So far I saw very, very few boys actually being sincere lovers. Is this my fault? Am I supposed to search for every single sincere guy from every corner of the world? And the entire time I was talking about attitude, not looks. Women don't really dress like that here so I can't say anything about that picture. But you know those girls who post pics with caption "I'm ugly"? Those who always gossip, even against their own best friend? Girls that enjoy bullying and destroying other people's lives? I myself also have no idea how the hell guys like them. You seem to get offended that I'm speaking the truth from personal experience. 😂
kmsdoggoXper 5
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I’m kinda a bit of both, so I can vouch for either side actually. I just choose to act more “nice guy” because I don’t have the time for a relationship.
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SanHoloz
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This. This. And This. "I just choose to act more “nice guy” because I don’t have the time for a relationship." This is a classic example of my answer
kmsdoggo
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That a good thing?
SanHoloz
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No haha not really in the context I am referring to. You can read my comment for reference
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kmsdoggo
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I read it. I’m just incapable of comprehending shit when I haven’t slept in a minute
SanHoloz
+1 y
Essentially you shouldn't "act" a certain way. That is why girls seem like they choose bad guys but in reality the guy acts normal and nice and once you are invested they pull the no relationship card and other stuff that fucks with you emotionally. Its not like girls want guys who treat them like shit, they get played into it and after everyone says they shouldve known better but there is no one that is immune to falling for it as the bad boys are so good at pretending to be genuine and they take it so far that you wouldn't think that someone would be acting that whole time
kmsdoggo
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My comment implies I could act like a bad boy and really treat them as if I was the nice guy, I’ve done it multiple times and it’s a great way to date for me, but sometimes I just don’t have time for dating, so I don’t bother.
lovelyhoneybonesYoda
+1 y
When I say I don't like bad boys, I mean. I don't like "nice guys" either. Normal dudes are good enough for me.
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KnightCross
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well so define to me, what are "normal" dudes?
lovelyhoneybones
+1 y
@KnightCross Dudes that act normal.
KnightCross
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define to me what means "acting normal"
effyourfeelingsXper 6
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We only like bad boys if they're attractive People, especially women, don't like to admit they're shallow
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ILikeToParty
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this should be best comment
Onidandal
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@ILikeToParty Shallowness is quite literally in our biology. To the point where refusing to admit it is a tool used for the shallow effect of masking yourself to look better.
ILikeToParty
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@Onidandal its also why plastic surgery is booming. Basically like real life photoshop to look better
bellybuttonlintYoda
+1 y
I think you're confusing compatibility. Just because a girl doesn't go out with you doesn't mean she likes bad boys and isn't into nice boys.
I'm so tired of these "Women don't want nice guys" threads. It's simply not true... just because the women is with a guy that someone may like doesn't make the guy a bad boy.
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Guardian412Xper 5
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Because woman basically doesn't know what they truly want. They tell something and they think the exact opposite. Honesty is lately out of fashion. So I use a trick, I'm a bad nice guy. That is confusing them. :)
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omgjassyMaster
+1 y
We don’t all like the same.
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KnightCross
+1 y
all men like the same? lol how many guys did you know so far?
omgjassy
+1 y
@KnightCross when did I told about men?
KnightCross
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oh sorry now i got it, i still need to improve my English hahaaa
winterfox10Master
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Because it goes against the "everyone is perfect the way they are" narrative that women have been pushing. The instant a woman admits to liking bad boys, she has to start admitting that there is a such thing as an alpha male, and that not every guy can be an alpha. The idea that someone can be genetically superior to someone else goes against the female self-love movement.
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thatguyfromtorontoXper 7
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I don't believe in this whole analogy of "nice guys finish last". I have had my fair share of meeting girls, talking to girls, being around girls and dating girls. The truth is, yes, many girls who are younger (teens and early 20s) like the bad boy because of 1) the challenge, 2) it's exciting because it feels like a roller coaster ride of emotions, 3) to change him and mold him into a better guy... usually bad boys are not looking for anything serious which either the girl is aware or feels like she can change him.
However, the girls who buckle down and become women with goals, aspirations, maturity are the ones who look back and say I do not want to be with a guy like that because he is a waste of time and I do not need to have my feelings toyed with. The girls who become women and still like the bad boy is usually a girl who lacks confidence and has no direction of her life of what she wants. How often do guys fall for a girl who's pretty or hot but she's a bitch and some guys take it, and they keep going after the same type of girl... I was one of those nice guys who did that. But I realized I don't want to deal with a girl like that, I want to be with a girl who is nice, has her shit together and I physically and emotionally like as well.
Sometimes girls/women often portray the "bad boy" with one trait a "nice guy" does not have and that is confidence. Nice guys tend to be overly giving and etc and while it is a head scratcher us guys have to understand that when you're dating a girl or trying to be with her doing that only gets her to push a guy away. If it is a long time girlfriend or wife then, of course, show that loving affection and care but don't show it to a girl you just started talking to it will creep her out.
Also to be clear my definition of a nice guy is this -- a guy who helps others, honest, hardworking, responsible, has the backbone to stand up for himself and fight if he has to, to be religious and one with God, knows his limits. That's how I view it.
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bloodmountain1990Guru
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Some do, some don't.
It's not that women don't like nice guys, but they don't like pushovers or self proclaimed nice guys who think they're entitled to shit because they bought them a drink or held the door open.
Also, going by that logic, that means every guy who's ever had a girlfriend, date, or got laid is a "bad boy/asshole". Absolute bullshit.
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douride2Master
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Some do others don't.
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iAMNirvanaXper 5
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So how about that? for women its 50 50 because they actually like both. They like bad boys because they show some alpha male traits and they like a nice chivalrous guy to treat them like a queen. they just stuck between the two.
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33 43Because it's not the badness that the girls find attractive.
That's the quality that the so-called "nice" guys focus on, because then they can blame their singledom on the girls stupidity instead of the fault which lies in themselves and which they would have to change.
My last 2 long term relationships seemed like lovely, caring guys, but both cheated. I wanted a good guy but the only 2 guys I loved were bad
i am sorry for you, American society need to be reformed
I live in the UK. Nothing to do with the society, most know the difference between right and wrong. And if a relationship isn't working for them they should break it off not cheat. Cheating is inexcusable and causes a lot of hurt.
I'm surprised that Brittish lads are doing shit over there, but maybe you were just unlucky and not that most of them are assholes like that. and I know that cheating is totally inexcusable but people do because they don't care for morality and other people's feelings
You are very wise beyond your years. Cheating happens a lot of here, both girls and guys are guilty of it. And you hit the nail on the head they just don't care.
thank you but i am not a teenager actually haha by the way I didn't know UK was that sluggish as you say it is... the whole Western world needs to be restored to their Catholic roots!! hahaha
Haha it says you are 14. I think cheaters are everywhere and just in the UK. I am not a believer so I would not say people being more religious would make people less morally wrong. I don't believe in God but I am a good person through and through which comes from my upbringing.
oh i see... look at my profile page i'm not from Antartica too haha by the way i can't believe you never believed in God ever nor never went to a church before
I have been half asleep and stressed most the week so apologies. I don't believe I said never believed in God or never been in a church, I said don't as in this current. I believed in him for a short period and I stopped believing. And I have been in church just not to pray but to attend relatives weddings. I don't think my beliefs make me any less of a good human. Lots of people who believe in different religions. have committed evil atrocities.
haha apologize for what? anyway are you overworking? by the way why did you stop believing? why don't you check out Sunday mass to see how it goes?
Because I didn't read your profile correctly, I apologise too much haha. Not overworking, it has just been a stressful week. I have been to family Catholic weddings, they are long and my arse feels numb because I have been there so long. It was a very temporary belief, I was young. It just isn't for me. I don't go into epic debates about religion.
when you were young? lol you say like you are an old granny haha by the way why do you say it's not for you? i don't believe God created somebody that is not fit for Him
Yes before I was a teenager which is over 20 years ago haha. It just isn't, I don't debate religion or force my not believing on anyone. Every person is entitled to their own beliefs
ok i believe that each one is entitled to their own opinions but knowing better a subject, in this case, religion, specifically Christianity, opens your mind to have more solid arguments to believe in your position and view on it :) and why when were you a teenager you believed?
I am very well educated and a very smart and came to my own conclusion. You shouldn't assume what I do or do not know about various religions. My own reasons for temporary belief are exactly that my own and I will not need to justify that to someone I will never meet or become part of my life.
haha chill lady! calm down i just asked a question no need to be that angry with that... isn't that sort of psychological defense mechanism?
No I just don't debate about religion or have discussions about it. It bores me and talking about provides no use to my life
i see... have you asked why you feel that bored and angry when Christianity comes to talk? don't need to answer me, answer yourself if you don't feel like it
I know why I do not believe I just choose to keep it to myself and those who know me best.
ok... i can understand your pain
No only I will
anything you can talk to me , i know how to be agood friend too besides being a good crusader haha
I don't trust many new people in my life going by original post. You have no idea how much I was betrayed. And I don't tar everyone I meet with that brush I just don't trust easy
i have an idea by the talk we are having right now... but anyway you can message to me in private any time not sure if it's a good idea if you keep exposing your weakness here openly in those comments
I am strong not weak, don't let my comments fool. Anyone would have their guard up in my situation it is human nature
Not again! another whining man who can't get a girl!
That's little sexists don't you think? The same can be said about women who can't or couldn't get Mr. Right.
@Uglyman1001 They are whining woman if they bitch about the fact that men are only after bad girls
Well the majority of women and probably even you will find me unattractive so I need not worry.
@Uglyman1001 Oof! Boom! Burn! Yes! Get in! Ooooh! Damn that's gotta' hurt! .. are there any more? Any I haven't said yet?
Why would you want a woman who is attracted to bad guys anyway?
Well, there are two options at play here:
1. There's a global conspiracy in which all women in the world are trying to convince all men that they like Nice Guys, and then behave in a contradictory manner.
2. You're wrong.
Which do you think is more likely?
No one likes a sycophant. You'd date a bad girl too if you had the choice :P
Bad boys are actually honest. And honesty is in short supply.
Because the only redeemable quality in a self proclaimed “nice guy” is being nice, and most of the time he’s not.
Because they don't want to seem slutty
@sc15022 there are other qualities besides nice that aren’t slutty.
Girls like bad boys because it's what turns them on. Typically the bad boys are guys who know their way around a clit and that treat them like crap, which women also like. I'm not talking about physical or sexual abuse either
It's also generally certain that nice guys are less confident in themselves and always try to bend over backwards to make themselves seem worthy. It makes the guy look pretty desperate and less manly. This coming from someone who also questioned the idea of why being a nice guy to girls didn't get me anywhere
@sc15022 women like gentlemen. The ones who don’t call themselves “nice guys”. Maybe your problem is you chase girls, not women/ladies. (Not talking about age).
What qualities do ladies and gentleman have that makes them different from girls and guys?
@sc15022 class.
Not everyone who conducts themselves in a decent manner is a good person
A guy could be much nicer to his own mother and friends than you, does that make him classy or not?
@sc15022 class isn’t nice, it’s conducting yourself morally all the time. And lmao, I love that only guys downvoted this. Proving my point further.
What's immoral about being a bad boy?
@sc15022 well, I’m not saying bad boys can’t be moral. I’m saying anyone who says they’re a “nice guy” as their main thing isn’t. But you just moved off the topic.
Okay I agree with you there, and I did. You gotta watch out for self-proclaimed nice guys, they're fuckin creeps sometimes 😂
Check out the nice guy subreddit for some laughter-inducing cringe
@sc15022 haha, yeah. If one the man's quality is a nice, classy gentleman-ly guy, then hell yeah girls would be all over him. (or at least, ones who had self respect... most dont in this age) But most men now aren't like that, and the ones that are don't go around boasting it like "nice guys" do.
They typically start giving the gentlemen/nice guy more attention once it's too late. By then, they've already found someone else that's more attractive and younger. Yeah, never trust "nice guys", they finish last for a reason 😜
Same reason as why guys only drool over the cheap and fake girls.
what do you mean by "cheap and fake" girls?
@KnightCross what do you think?
Most guys don't actually. Statistically guys preffer sweet girls. Though to be fair if a guy thinks he can get easy sex and is not looking for a relationship he will go after a fake girl, not because he is inclined towards her so much as she seems like she will put out easier. Personally Not my cup of tea, I prefer sweet and genuine (and a little nerdy) but then I have never been for casual sex.
Wow. So young and naive. Cheap and fake girls, if they are the kind I think you are referring to, are an embarrassing disgrace. I'm thinking those idiots you see on shit like TOWIE, Geordie Shore, the Selena Gomez look all that, oh Kim Kardashian that's a good example! Yeah that's vile and disgusting to me, and actually a lot of guys I know seem to feel similar, albeit perhaps not quite as strongly as me. In my experience men seem to be put off by make up particularly when used in excess. My opinion is that a girl with excessive make up is not genuine, I don't see the real her, I can't connect with the real her. The qualities that make me attracted to a girl after all are character and personality traits, interests and passions. A hot girl to me is just that, and usually my crush was not someone I thought hot at first.. but gradually I see she is beautiful. I think you will benefit from learning, and opening your mind.
@Electric_Dreams I'm talking about real life, not celebs. I am actually saying that boys are after cheap and fake girls. The difference is that, girls who are ignored accept it and are actually happy that they are remaining pure. I know it because I have girl players in my friend circle. I always hear guys saying that they like girls who never gossip, but girls that I see ending up with boyfriends are all narcissists famous for backbiting.
Celebrities are a frighteningly present part of everyday life, they are considered as role models, as entertainment or as property by masses of people. This is not something I like but it is something I acknowledge to be true. Very little of what you're saying is making much sense to me.. it seems like you're talking about a microscopic part of this issue, like you have very limited experience in what you are talking about, and you do appear to be generalising. I have tried to explain to you why I don't agree with your assessment, I'm not going to repeat myself.
@Electric_Dreams How much would you call enough experience? Because I am saying what I see happening around me all the time.
This is highly frustrating because you appear to have a blatant case of tunnel vision. You are saying what you perceive to have seen around you, and if you're statements are a true reflection of all that you see, not leaving out anything else, then I believe you are so tragically cynical and negative that you are not seeing the positive. Your apparent inability to grasp what I am saying, which at its most simple is that you are wrong, makes me believe that I cannot make you understand. I hope as you grow older you develop a less biased, more open minded perception of the way people around you think about each other... at the moment the way you speak makes me think you're actually a character (not a person) on something like TOWIE or Geordie Shore, y'know living in a world where everyone is a shallow, superficial character. I think you just need time to develop and open your mind.
@Electric_Dreams You aren't understanding what I mean. Believe me when I say this, nice girls are very much underrated. Just how nice guys are. And you speaking of being open-minded? That is one thing that I have been forever bullied for. I am literally judged for being open minded. I am no way saying that all people are shallow or whatsoever. I am only stating the truth. I neither have time, nor money nor the wish to interfere in other people's lives and judge them. But I'm saying what I know. You know what? I better stop here. Because you boys will always be unwilling to understand us, and then y'all share memes stating how hard girls are to understand.
Your argument doesn't make any sense. It's highly erratic and contradictory. You are so open minded that you are bullied for it, yet you say "guys only drool over cheap and fake girls". When you said this you were saying that you believe guys only want girls like this i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/.../...how-off-their-tums.png
Despite the fact that myself and the majority of guys I know seem to find girls like that anywhere from unsettling to horrifying (the latter in my case).
@Electric_Dreams So far I saw very, very few boys actually being sincere lovers. Is this my fault? Am I supposed to search for every single sincere guy from every corner of the world? And the entire time I was talking about attitude, not looks. Women don't really dress like that here so I can't say anything about that picture. But you know those girls who post pics with caption "I'm ugly"? Those who always gossip, even against their own best friend? Girls that enjoy bullying and destroying other people's lives? I myself also have no idea how the hell guys like them. You seem to get offended that I'm speaking the truth from personal experience. 😂
I’m kinda a bit of both, so I can vouch for either side actually. I just choose to act more “nice guy” because I don’t have the time for a relationship.
This. This. And This. "I just choose to act more “nice guy” because I don’t have the time for a relationship." This is a classic example of my answer
That a good thing?
No haha not really in the context I am referring to. You can read my comment for reference
I read it. I’m just incapable of comprehending shit when I haven’t slept in a minute
Essentially you shouldn't "act" a certain way. That is why girls seem like they choose bad guys but in reality the guy acts normal and nice and once you are invested they pull the no relationship card and other stuff that fucks with you emotionally. Its not like girls want guys who treat them like shit, they get played into it and after everyone says they shouldve known better but there is no one that is immune to falling for it as the bad boys are so good at pretending to be genuine and they take it so far that you wouldn't think that someone would be acting that whole time
My comment implies I could act like a bad boy and really treat them as if I was the nice guy, I’ve done it multiple times and it’s a great way to date for me, but sometimes I just don’t have time for dating, so I don’t bother.
When I say I don't like bad boys, I mean. I don't like "nice guys" either. Normal dudes are good enough for me.
well so define to me, what are "normal" dudes?
@KnightCross Dudes that act normal.
define to me what means "acting normal"
We only like bad boys if they're attractive
People, especially women, don't like to admit they're shallow
this should be best comment
@ILikeToParty Shallowness is quite literally in our biology. To the point where refusing to admit it is a tool used for the shallow effect of masking yourself to look better.
@Onidandal its also why plastic surgery is booming. Basically like real life photoshop to look better
I think you're confusing compatibility. Just because a girl doesn't go out with you doesn't mean she likes bad boys and isn't into nice boys.
I'm so tired of these "Women don't want nice guys" threads. It's simply not true... just because the women is with a guy that someone may like doesn't make the guy a bad boy.
Because woman basically doesn't know what they truly want. They tell something and they think the exact opposite. Honesty is lately out of fashion. So I use a trick, I'm a bad nice guy. That is confusing them. :)
We don’t all like the same.
all men like the same? lol how many guys did you know so far?
@KnightCross when did I told about men?
oh sorry now i got it, i still need to improve my English hahaaa
Because it goes against the "everyone is perfect the way they are" narrative that women have been pushing. The instant a woman admits to liking bad boys, she has to start admitting that there is a such thing as an alpha male, and that not every guy can be an alpha. The idea that someone can be genetically superior to someone else goes against the female self-love movement.
I don't believe in this whole analogy of "nice guys finish last". I have had my fair share of meeting girls, talking to girls, being around girls and dating girls. The truth is, yes, many girls who are younger (teens and early 20s) like the bad boy because of 1) the challenge, 2) it's exciting because it feels like a roller coaster ride of emotions, 3) to change him and mold him into a better guy... usually bad boys are not looking for anything serious which either the girl is aware or feels like she can change him.
However, the girls who buckle down and become women with goals, aspirations, maturity are the ones who look back and say I do not want to be with a guy like that because he is a waste of time and I do not need to have my feelings toyed with. The girls who become women and still like the bad boy is usually a girl who lacks confidence and has no direction of her life of what she wants. How often do guys fall for a girl who's pretty or hot but she's a bitch and some guys take it, and they keep going after the same type of girl... I was one of those nice guys who did that. But I realized I don't want to deal with a girl like that, I want to be with a girl who is nice, has her shit together and I physically and emotionally like as well.
Sometimes girls/women often portray the "bad boy" with one trait a "nice guy" does not have and that is confidence. Nice guys tend to be overly giving and etc and while it is a head scratcher us guys have to understand that when you're dating a girl or trying to be with her doing that only gets her to push a guy away. If it is a long time girlfriend or wife then, of course, show that loving affection and care but don't show it to a girl you just started talking to it will creep her out.
Also to be clear my definition of a nice guy is this -- a guy who helps others, honest, hardworking, responsible, has the backbone to stand up for himself and fight if he has to, to be religious and one with God, knows his limits. That's how I view it.
Some do, some don't.
It's not that women don't like nice guys, but they don't like pushovers or self proclaimed nice guys who think they're entitled to shit because they bought them a drink or held the door open.
Also, going by that logic, that means every guy who's ever had a girlfriend, date, or got laid is a "bad boy/asshole". Absolute bullshit.
Some do others don't.
So how about that? for women its 50 50 because they actually like both.
They like bad boys because they show some alpha male traits and they like a nice chivalrous guy to treat them like a queen. they just stuck between the two.
I dont deny it