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1) Carrie 1976: made by a straight man. There's a locker room scene that leers over the girls' naked bodies as they take showers & prance around.
2013 remake (directed by a woman, script written by a gay man): no voyeuristic leering. The girl who played the protagonist was underage, but even the other actresses who were 18+ all had clothing on & there was no leering at their bodies whatsoever.
2) In media created by gay men, the sexualization is reversed. Look at AHS, created by a gay man. Compare 2 shower scenes, one involving men and one involving women.
The first video voyeuristically leers at the men's wet naked bodies as they shower, but the second video is filmed from outside the shower stalls & doesn't show the women's bodies at all. Why? Because the creator is a gay man & he's not attracted to women.Also, in AHS, masturbation scenes for women tend to focus on their face and their fantasies (even in the case of a sexy seductress trying to seduce a man, she had clothes on), whereas in the masturbation scenes for men, the men are naked with their buff bodies on display.
3) In more media created by gay men (such as Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, created by the same gay guy who wrote Carrie 2013) you get scenes like this, with buff men walking around nearly naked & displaying their butts in thongs.(I actually didn't know the creator of this show was gay, and then after seeing those scenes I suspected it was created by a gay guy, so I looked it up & my suspicion was confirmed.)
So yeah. If women are hypersexualized for logical reasons like "sex sells" then the sexualization wouldn't be reversed when the male creator is attracted to men and not women.
Thoughts?
(Note: I know some women hypersexualize characters too. That film Cuties is proof of that. I think it's more common for male creators, though.)
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13 87As an affiacnado of film ill gladly talk about it, it varies by creator and his vision.
1.) In film, if the creator is good then the female form is used as visual art or to tell a story, or to expand on a theme.
2.) In film, producers and higher ups tend to push nudity because sex does sell and they've gotta make that budget back up, look at the movie Swordfish (they paid Halle Berry millions for a topless scene, her very first topless scene) and then when word spread it made more people come to watch the movie and look up the scene online. Thats also why b-teir horror movies havr nudity in them, because they are shallow and at least it has tits in it...
3.) Some "creators" are basically predators in disguise like (in an extreme case) what happened in the brown bunny with that actress, the creator of the project had a massive crush on her so he cast her (she agreed to this) in the film and in 1 scene she gives a REAL full blowjob complete with him cumming in her mouth.
4.) In tv its a bit different, because there's usually rotating directors or rotating writers, so its more of a machine at work rather than being on a creator.
5.) Also don't forget the writers, who have to write these scenes into fruition.
Bitches Sexualize themselves, look at all the selfies they post on social media.
they don't get hypersexualized. they hypersexualize themselfes. nobody forces them to.
The problem is that if they choose not to partake in the sexualized role, then they have far fewer roles to choose from.
Whereas men have countless roles to choose from.
so are you trying to tell women what they are supposed to do with their life and what not? that's misogynist xD
No I'm not. I am saying that creators should make more nonsexualized roles for women so that women aren't pressured to sexualize themselves for the sake of a job.
creators have to do what makes money. the customer decides. you are trying to tell the customer what they should want and what not then. besides. still nobody forces women to take those roles. so it's still their choice and bobody elses.
Yeah so they can choose not to take the role & then they struggle to find roles anywhere else, and that's the problem. You don't have to sexualize women to get a lot of money. Look at Hunger Games starring a nonsexualized woman, which was #2 that year on the box office.
nobody forces them to do the job. point and case.
if women had the backbone not to do it, they wouldn't be able to sexualize women.
So then they just wouldn't include women in their movies at all. Not a far leap since only 1/3rd of speaking roles in movies are female
yeah. good luck making a movie without women. nobody will watch it. don't shift the blame to men for things that women are accountable for.
There are tons of movies without women. That's why the Bechdel Test exists
this test is for speaking roles. that's a different topic
you should stop reading up feminazi propaganda.
men are stereotyped in equally annoying ways and nobody complains. it's always only about twisting reality somehow into being bad for women. nonsense.
Being stereotyped isn't the same as having to take your clothes off in front of the whole world or else having to give up your dreams of being an actor.
Also "this test is for speaking roles. that's a different topic" um, no. It's the exact topic. Many actresses would prefer to have a significant role instead of just standing there as eye candy.
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You don't think sex sells?
Tell that to the model and porn industry.
Nice strawman
Lol what?
Why do people still have a problem with sex, even in this century. I thought we settled decades ago that sexual expression is a beautiful thing, and there is no real harm that comes from it, at the end of the day.
The problem is that many women are pressured to submit to sexualization in order to get acting jobs, even if they're not comfortable with it.
If a movie or TV series requires sexualization, than the actress or actor cast should be comfortable with it, or they should leave that project. If a TV series like Game of Thrones did not have sex scenes or violence, it would look very unrealistic and it would have failed to depict the dark underbelly of life that Game of Thrones intended to show. Even romantic movies that have intimate sex scenes are able to affect us much strongly emotionally, like Blue is the Warmest Color. Then there are American made romantic comedies that fail to emotionally capture the audience. Every other French, and Spanish romantic movie has a lot of sex scenes and those movies are very realistic and very emotional, sexual expression is a necessary part of emotional and physical expression, they cannot be separated.
So the woman leaves the project & then she has trouble finding other roles that don't involve sexualization. That's the problem. Women have far fewer opportunities for nonsexualized roles than men do. I posted a link in my update that shows that women make up only 1/3 of speaking characters, and are sexualized 3-5x more often than men.
There are a lot of roles that involve women and don't depict them in a sexualized way. It's just that those type of movies don't end up being popular, you can't force people to watch something they don't want to watch. Women should get more opportunities and of every kind but this sexualization debate is nothing but a way to sneak in conservatism into feminism. It's already affected feminism to the point that feminists got grid girls banned from races, banned bikini competitions, that's taking away jobs from models who earned a good amount of money and lived comfortable lives because of it. Conservative women have hijacked feminism and they are undoing everything liberal feminists achieved. These conservative feminists have even gone as far as calling the hijab a symbol of feminism. Conservative women in feminism are a Trojan Horse, everything that conservatism touches, it destroys. It's a selfish ideology designed to subjugate people.
@mistix you crack me up. Go tell all the women whoring on only fans or attention whoring on social media with endless thirst trap self-objectifying pictures. Men don’t make women attention whores. If women want to put their cash into a movie studio that has nothing to do with sexualizing women they’re free to. Or they could try to get jobs in places like Britain where talent us valued more than showing tits BUT these women whining in the US aren’t talented enough to get hired in a place where they can’t use their bodies to get a job, apparently.
(yawns, rolls eyes) ... This again? You might as well ask why human sexuality exists-- because. That's why.
In the end its biology, you see men aswell as women in a sense of attraction, women have more of an appeal and to show off without getting naked. Attraction, desire, eroticism, either a woman is cover or not.
There a state desire, the look, the flirting, the innocent, sexy or beautiful look. Then you have personality aswell as physical attributes innocent damsel or strong fighter.
In the end biolagy always wins, sexuality is the emotion pull string, so they work it to their advantage.
Men are visual as we know. So, this is eye candy for them. Women tend to follow the relationships in movies and series much better than men so the dialogue is more important to them along with the styles of clothing and shoes.
Women dress sexy everywhere, not just in the movies. So it’s also normal. One could argue that there are more men in movies which caters to women viewers. Also, when there are men and women anywhere, there is sex. Women can get sex anytime and a subset of men can get it with some consistency so it would be natural for these to have sex in movies.
When women are in non-sexualized roles, the writers tend to make them Mary Sues. They overdo it! It’s boring and unbelievable. It also smells of PC culture as it is often handled wrong. it takes you right out of the film and into modern day politics and issues. “Get woke, go broke”.
Ripley from Alien & Aliens was a great female lead. They didn’t overplay her. The new Wonder Woman was a great character along with many in the Avengers... not Captain Marvel or whatever her name is, I didn’t even see that one but I understand she is another Mary Sue. Rey fro Star Wars was another Mary Sue. Princess Leia was a far better female role. She was sexualized by a gangster so that made sense. Landon was a great black character that they overplayed in the new movie. And Finn was a token with bad writing and acting. Bad writers are to blame. Lazy writers. It’s the same when they overdo any black character or just plop one down for tokenism like playing King Arthur on Netflix.
the answer for everything, it makes money
Whatever they want, no one can know.
I think the creator of Cuties is similar to Ghislaine Maxwell.
Who's that?
That was Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. She participated in his sex trafficking operation. She personally recruited and groomed underage girls to be his victims.
Then I agree
It's a bit of both. Film makers and directors are all artists at the end of the day and art is about expression and invoking feelings. The feelings are usually intended to be how the artist felt. Sometimes it's because they want a selling point too.
With the "Carrie" example, I actually liked both films. But I liked the original more and it's because I identified with the feeling of the director. When I watch an adult movie, I expect to see adult content. The new Carrie was good for its special effects but the original was much more a horror movie. Don't forget it was originally a Stephen King novel which was banned because of underage sex content.
Another point on Carrie I will add is that when I went to see the remake, I knew I wasn't going to be looking at Chloe Moretz naked and it would be playing more on a kind of female feminist empowerment theme which it did. I knew what I was getting.
So that turning women into sexual objects, looking at that like that, can be justified and encouraged.
It's the gross culture of exploiting the female, rather than caring for her as you own - for some reason, probably because many boomers didn't end up getting whom they wanted - it is there. Probably as 'joker's revenge' on the world's social fabric
Because sex sells
offer and demand
The female body is more interesting to look at than a guys.
The shape is so inchanting. Even women can get to like a good looking woman.
So it's obvious that her body will be used to sell anything. But do we look at the advert for the product or the female body.
This is why porn is so popular.
In many surveys lesbian comes top in both sexes...
I can see where you are coming from but it depends on what films you watch. A lot are the hero is a guy saving the defenceless woman and she is doing nothing but waiting for her hero. That is so out of date. But the three film on top of my list is Pretty woman. Ghost, and just resent Little Women this one all the leads were women..
I do think men are objectified as well but maybe not to the same extent. Ultimately Hollywood needs to make moves that both sexes want to see. Men are not as interested in movies with an all female cast. Look at what happened with Birds of Prey, Tank Girl, and I am sure there have been others. To get women to watch a move that men will enjoy they normally add in one female lead for a romance storyline, to an adventure story line with male sidekicks, heros, and villians. This creates a product that both sexes can enjoy at least somewhat. As a man you couldn't drag me into a theatre to watch Steel Magnolia's or Thelma and Louise sorry don't want to go, will not pay for it.
On a side Note Carrie 2013 Bombed. And I didn't finish watching the latest Sabrina season and will be very unlikely to watch the next one. Sooo how do your examples prove that sex doesn't sell?
"how do your examples prove that sex doesn't sell" they don't. That wasn't my point. That was your strawman
sorry I was arguing that sex sells. and your first sentence was... I don't buy that it's because "sex sells". I think the creators typically just want to see sexy women. I looked at your examples where movies didn't cater to the "male gaze" and remarked that they all bombed. Therefore sex sells and other types of movies do not sell as easily or readily.
Both reasons are true, sex does sell, and women and gay dudes wanna be catered to as well so sexualizing both men and women is profitable
To me most of what you have written has shown me that sex does indeed sell but that the creators speak from their own experiences.
Through this I was thinking of Batman Forever and the absolutely cringeworthy relationship they tried with.
I mean the diet coke ads kind of prove that sex sells.
The success of diet coke proves that a lot of Americans want to lose weight
I wasn't referring to the success of diet coke. I was referring to the long running and camping they had for it which was very successful.
https://youtu.be/lmVexzzVfDA
I'm assuming that if this ad campaign wasn't successful coke of all companies wouldn't have continued to use it.
I would say it serves their agenda. It is somehow seen as empowering. And it's hard to argue against something that's trendy so yeah.