Do You Think A Man "Not Wanting" The Pregnancy Should Absolve Him Of Any Financial Responsibility?
BrainsbeforebeautyEditor
This question sparked by a recent post where the poster's boyfriend is trying to manipulate her with threats and ultimatums into aborting the pregnancy. And some users saying/thinking that if she has the baby even if he doesn't want it, he should not be made to support the child. The "only" way I would agree with that is if a woman "purposely" gets pregnant knowing the man doesn't want a child... But if it's two individuals that didn't/don't practice safe sex and a pregnancy occurs, both are responsible and both should be EQUALLY responsible for any child that results... Some men act like they have no say, but all that can be avoided by 1. Wearing a condom or making sure she is on some form of birth control prior to having sex: 2. Men who claim they trusted the woman and claim she purposely got pregnant... DON'T have sex with someone you can't trust. Abortion should NEVER be used as a form of birth control... And just saying you don't want the pregnancy does not absolve you of financial responsibility when there were choices you could of made to avoid that from occurring in the first place!
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For those answering no... or quoting "My wallet, My choice", You're right... your choice to Open that wallet and buy some condoms, or pay for a vasectomy, which is easily reversible... I'd also like to add, men that are against the Abortion should have the legal right to stop the Abortion, and the woman if she doesn't want the child, but did nothing to protect herself from an unwanted pregnancy, should have to pay him child support unless he agrees to let her sign away all her parental rights
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My apologies... Made a mistake on my first update, for those voting yes not no... And for the 16 men who voted yes I really hope you wearing condoms, but probably not... Hey she can just get an abortion or not my problem 🤷🏼♀️ that's a very sickening attitude when you could just condom it!!!
I think rights here are irrelevant. End of the day if the man doesn't want to be a father he will not be forced into being one and if she's not his wife there's very little she can do about it as far a child support goes. The same goes for her really. Parents chose to be parents that's the only way a kid gets a decent upbringing if that girl is pregnant and her man doesn't want a part of it then her options are either raising a kid alone or aborting but forcing him into fatherhood won't work he'll likely be an abusive father.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Don't know where you live but you don't have to be married to get child support... You just have to prove paternity
Mishan97Xper 7
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The man is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the woman is and therefore should bear an equal amount of responsibility.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Exactly!
TonyVGuru
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That's a tricky one. I basiclly agree with you if the girl lies and cheats, or some how deceptfully gets his seed loke lying about birth control, sabotaging condoms or worse yet taking the condom out the trash, yuck, then no he shouldn't have to pay, good luck proving it happened that way tho.
If he just is being careless and went in raw that's on him for being stupid, like sorry bud, what did you think would happen?
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Exactly!!!
Adam1978Guru
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Yes a man should have the option to not take that responsibility, but if he do he should also cut her and the baby out of his life. Ie he has no longer any right towards the kids or the mother.
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JjpayneEditor
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That's tough... You in current times have to swap the gender. If a girl not wanting to adopt a kid, is forced to have a kid because the guy adopts or because he uses invetro fertilization, is it ok for the women to opt out? That's the question we need to answer than we can answer the guy version.
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Jjpayne
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But overall this is a difficult topic 🤔 it's assumed that once the girl is pregnant that the guy and her share joint responsibility for the mistake to not have used protection. But where this gets interesting... Is if he encouraging abortion and she decides to have the baby is that solely her choice and her responsibility? 🤔 does a formal talk in front of a doctor about what do with the child take the place of automatic responsibility for the guy or girl? 🤔 this is an interesting debate for sure
Brainsbeforebeauty
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The point is practicing same sex eliminates that problem... So if you CHOOSE NOT to protect that from happening you are REALLY responsible for the consequences.. Raw feels better if not good enough excuse to not be responsible yet think you can walk away Scott free
Brainsbeforebeauty
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*safe sex
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Jjpayne
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Unprotected sex is both the guy and girls responsibility, it's simplier to keep it that way but I really was entertained by your question
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Oh I agree both MEN AND WOMEN need to be more responsible about sex or don't do it period
Jjpayne
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But I do like how you talked about the other ideas around it. I was slightly enjoying thinking about the legal play about the order and discussions if the girl was pregnant. It was kinda of fun to think about
ecfreshMaster
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It takes two to tango and takes two to raise a child.
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SjE78Guru
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this is a type of grey area, i mean if a guy doesn't want to be a father then date someone who shares that mindset... if a guy is not ready but would eventually be happy to be a father, then simple answer is to take precautions...
there are alternatives to latex condoms, like latex free condoms so there is no excuse there, also there are options the woman can choose too, the female contraceptive cap, the pill and the contraceptive injection... now while the pill and injection can also present problems such as negative side effects and a certain percentage of women not being able to take it... this leaves the cap and a few other options for them and ofcourse the things available to men...
any slip ups though both are responsible for the life of that child/children.. and therefore both have a duty... that being said in the rare cases whereby the woman told the guy she doesn't want kids and/or took measures to become pregnant, despite the guy taking precautions... but knows he wasn't ready, he now has 2 choices 1) walk away and claim entrapment, taking her to court (which could get messy) 2) step up and remain and look after the kid forcing the plans of being a father to be brought forward much sooner
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Great answer!!!
SjE78
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thanks :)
1CentWorthXper 6
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you'd have to be a sociopath to not want to support your own kid. it really shouldn't be through the legal system, though. you two shouold negotiate. If two people have sex, it kind of is
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jgokgotitYoda
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I know the post you are talking about. He is being a total dick. To answer this question, if you choose to have sex you choose EVERY consequence that comes with it. The man and the woman both had sex. The baby would not be formed without both. Therefore, both bear the responsibility. If he truly did not want the baby, he would not have risked having sex. Even condoms are not fool-proof.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Agree 💯!!!
BeenThereLovedItYoda
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While I can see why Dave Chapelle got a lot of crap for his abortion bit, he did make a very good point and his solution was 'fair' as can be.
Hey, be nice :) Why is the man more responsible than the woman? If he is more responsible, then why doesn't he get a say in the outcome? It's a very slanted problem that works against men here, so why are we attacked when we point that out? I'm not saying you attacked me by the way, just speaking that in general, when we (men) have an opinion on abortion or any reproduction, it's often attacked that we don't have the right to have that opinion.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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The point is tho there's options, no woman can trick you if you take steps to protect yourself... But the idea it's okay to not have safe sex, and then run from the circumstances... Is the issue... I'm not excusing women... They should be practicing safe sex as well... But if both choose not to, why is only one person financially responsible for the mistake they ", booth" made? Don't you see by saying get an abortion or I don't have to pay I'd a form of manipulation... When so this could be avoided by simply being responsible when it comes to sex both how and with who
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BeenThereLovedIt
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I don't disagree with you on your points. While safety is smart, it's not always effective. Anyone can get pregnant while using condoms and birth control, in fact it happens to pornstars often. I don't see any point in blaming either the man or woman in any circumstance because they both took an equal risk. The quandary is that when you assume equal risk and equal responsibility in a pregnancy, the decision making gets far more dodgy- for instance, when a woman insists on aborting and the man wants it - He gets no say. But when you flip that where she wants it but he does not, the man still gets no say. Yet - in the end, he is considered the one "financially responsible" for the child for the next 18 years, and still he gets no say. It's very slanted, and there's no good solution. As far as the manipulation goes, it sadly happens. If we all knew we couldn't trust people who will screw us over, then heartbreak wouldn't even exist, right?
Brainsbeforebeauty
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I agree men should have a say in not aborting.. If the man wants and she don't yet she did nothing to protect herself from getting pregnant, a man should be able to legally stop the abortion, and once the baby born, the mother should sign all legal parental rights over to the Father.. so see, I am on BOTH sides
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Or "she" should pay support to him
BeenThereLovedIt
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I want to agree with you about when the man doesn't want it, but I just can't seem to get over the hump that if the woman wants the baby and the man doesn't, does that really give her the right to hold him financially responsible if she's decided to completely nullify his choice? With two people making a decision and they don't agree, there can only be one "winner" of that disagreement. If I want a $120k BMW, but my wife says no because she doesn't want the financial responsibility, is it fair for me to say that I'm getting it anyways and we're paying for it from our shared checking whether she likes it or not, or is it more fair for her to say sure, you can get your BMW but I have to pay for it from my personal finances and not affect hers? I know the car analogy doesn't fit good, but it does demonstrate my point about the personal liability involved in this type of decision process. The real problem is that there's no resolution that works for both sides of the dispute. One side wins and one side loses, there's no middle ground to negotiate on. I would be very interested and open to hearing ideas that would seek to benefit both parties, although I have none to offer.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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But AGAIN the point is, he had A CHOICE to protect himself from not getting someone pregnant... That's the WHOLE POINT... I didn't want more kids, so I got my tube tied at 28... I did the RESPONSIBLE THING.. I didn't take chances, I took steps to protect myself from any further pregnancies.. Men NEED to do the SAME... You can't blame someone else for your irresponsibility...
BeenThereLovedIt
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I guess my stance that if a woman gets pregnant then I hold them both equally responsible. You are holding them individually responsible, but your focus seems to be on men, which is what interested me in this discussion. I understand the circumstance you describe, where the man is trying to push her into his decision, and I've debated this with you, but I cannot see either of them being "more" at fault than the other, so I was focusing on finding a better alternative, but that's the rub, there isn't one. We cannot agree on this topic in general because of that lack of any negotiable solution. I do agree that in your context from the original post, that the guy is wrong to try to strong-arm HIS decision onto her. I don't feel he should be held 100% responsible for her decision to keep it. If there was a way to hold him 50% responsible, then I'm all ears.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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If you really read.. I hold BOTH equally responsible...
DargilMaster
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Not in the slightest. The time to choose is before you "screws".
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Dargil
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Wondering who raised that one "yes" sperm donor.
Dargil
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Now it's 2. Here's a good idea. Girls. When you first go out with a guy, you want to ask him this exact question.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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I agree and nother reason don't have random hookups and sex raw
GwenhwyfarMaster
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No!!!
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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💯 agree... Unless a women tricks or traps a man then in that case I agree he should be absolved of financial responsibility... But just more wearing a condom because you prefer raw... Well that's a choice they made, now deal with the consequences... This my wallet my choice shit is just that... Shit... Use that wallet to buy condoms or get a vasectomy it keep it in your pants!
Gwenhwyfar
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Totally
Brainsbeforebeauty
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madgoatGuru
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Birth men and women make stupid decisions but consider the case where they're in a relationship, done everything right, and now she's pregnant. Should she be able to mandate on her own the future of the pregnancy? In the past, he could walk away and leave her to it. Not helpful for mum and baby. At the moment, he has to pay for it if she chooses unilaterally to keep it. Not a good deal for the man. The baby needs supporting , yes, but the male view is not represented and that's the bug bear.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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I did say that men should have the right to legally stop the abortion if they want the child... But guys that are just not being careful and impregnate multiple Females and think they should all get abortion. If s women gets Abortion 5 times, people would say she's irresponsible, bad choices etc... But what about men that impregnate 4-5 people and walk away from every situation or talk them into Abortion... Isn't it equally irresponsible? When could just use condoms, or get VASECTOMY
madgoat
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Yep, don't disagree. Of course when it comes to abortion - forcing one or stopping one - you're into a legal and moral minefield of pro choice and pro life.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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True.. All the more reason if you TRULY don't want kids out wanna find yourself in either end of that situation... Play smart
DCooperYoda
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"Her body, her choice."
"His wallet, his choice."
Meh, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Use the money in that wallet to BUT CONDOMS or get a vasectomy... Either much cheaper if you DON'T WANT KIDS
DCooper
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Yup agreed.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Neko911Explorer
+1 y
Nope. He choose 2 fuck so it's on him
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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On both, so both responsible
KingdomForAKissExplorer
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No, it should not/does not absolve responsibility. As a parent though, I'd think long an hard about whether or not I'd want him in my kid's life if he doesn't want to be. That's detrimental to the kid's mental health. Have him sign his rights away. Yeah, it will be more of a financial struggle but I think you'd be better off.
Unfortunately/fortunately for a man who may want a child, the woman carries the baby and--- to my knowledge--- has no input if she decides to terminate. Doesn't seem right.
People need to practice safe sex and take responsibility for their actions.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Agree except for the fact about financial responsibility.. Whether he's a part of the child's life or not, still financially responsible But yes, I think men who want the child but the woman doesn't should have the right to legally stop the Abortion and she should either pay child support or if he agrees, sign away parental rights. Right is right, fair is fair.. When both men and women who don't want a child to result have many options to ensure that doesn't happen...
NerdInDenialMaster
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If we all believe in the principle that it's a woman's body, and it's her choice, we establish that women have the final say to whether or not a baby shall be born into this world. Men, merely, make the recommendation. The party that has the final say has the ultimate responsibility. As such, men should not be liable; men only have a few options for birth control while women have a lot more options.
Additionally, women are the gate keepers to their bodies. They are the ones who can reject and accept a partner. If they choose a bad partner, they are to blame.
The reason why the courts would rule in favor forcing men to pay is because the government wants to avoid paying single mothers if they can.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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And ultimately men have a choice too... This women can get pregnant so they hold more responsibility is crap... It takes a man to impregnate a female, she can't do it by herself... So if man's seed is what creates the child is he not EQUALLY responsible than? But go ahead, put it all on the female...
NerdInDenial
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Then you're saying that men should have a say whether or not women should abort children? Men should have the power to prevent abortion? However, that is not the case. the women, legally, has the right to abort or not abort the child. As such, men cannot be held equally responsible to women. You have not proven that men should be equally responsible.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Yeah I did say that if you read the whole post which obviously you didn't!
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Sand yeah I did you EQUALLY CREATE A CHILD... YOU EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE
NerdInDenial
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No we don't; women have the final say and the final approval in choosing who inserts their penis into them unless you are saying that all men rape women.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Nice try don't try putting words or thought on me didn't say don't feel... And men have final say if they WEAR A CONDOM... END OF STORY!!!
NerdInDenial
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Even if men wear a condom, the law holds men liable. Men don't have a final say; society just tell men to shut up and pay.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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So shut up and pay 🙂... Or wear a condom or hey better idea... Keep it in your pants, problem solved 🙂
NerdInDenial
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Yup, that's exactly what I expect from people do not have accountability or understand responsibility when it comes to their actions.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Uhh that's not me... I'm not excusing women from the blame like you excusing men... I took care of making sure I couldn't get pregnant again at 28... I too responsibility to protect myself... NOW MEN should be doing the same... So yeah you talking crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
NerdInDenial
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Men do take care but they're still liable which is wrong because women decide whether or not babies are born. It's like breaking down 2+2=4. I cannot explain any further.
Brainsbeforebeauty
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If they take care there's nothing to discuss... Most pregnancies aren't cuz the condom failed... It's cuz didn't wear in first place and that's not taking care.. but agree... Nothing further to say here... Stay safe or least safe sex 🙂🙂
GoodGuyBreakingBadMaster
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Nope, he gets any Woman pregnant he should still be liable for being the Male who got her pregnant.
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Agree 💯 unless he was trapped or tricked into it in which that case he shouldn't be responsible... And if men want a say in if she shouldn't have an abortion, that I also agree and would support. Men should be able to legally stop a woman from aborting a child he wants if he agrees to sole custody and they either work out where she pays support or they she for her to sign away her parental rights...
GoodGuyBreakingBad
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Yes I agree
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Great minds ♥️🙂
Drumlin2001Guru
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No. He made it, he holds responsibility for it
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Exactly
humanearthMaster
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If You stick it , you pay
Like when I knocked up my girlfriend 30 years ago.
Was I scared. You bet your sweet ass I was.
But did I pail out and run. No way I man up and did what any decent man and soon to be father would do.
Today my son is my right hand man on my farm
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Brainsbeforebeauty
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Because you're a real man with real values... Some people could and should learn to be as well
humanearth
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Yeah I know, real men stand up and take the lead
Brainsbeforebeauty
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Glad there's still men like you out there
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humanearth
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Can you believe someone gave me a thumbs down. Oh, well can't please everyone
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24 72I think rights here are irrelevant.
End of the day if the man doesn't want to be a father he will not be forced into being one and if she's not his wife there's very little she can do about it as far a child support goes.
The same goes for her really.
Parents chose to be parents that's the only way a kid gets a decent upbringing if that girl is pregnant and her man doesn't want a part of it then her options are either raising a kid alone or aborting but forcing him into fatherhood won't work he'll likely be an abusive father.
Don't know where you live but you don't have to be married to get child support... You just have to prove paternity
The man is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the woman is and therefore should bear an equal amount of responsibility.
Exactly!
That's a tricky one. I basiclly agree with you if the girl lies and cheats, or some how deceptfully gets his seed loke lying about birth control, sabotaging condoms or worse yet taking the condom out the trash, yuck, then no he shouldn't have to pay, good luck proving it happened that way tho.
If he just is being careless and went in raw that's on him for being stupid, like sorry bud, what did you think would happen?
Exactly!!!
Yes a man should have the option to not take that responsibility, but if he do he should also cut her and the baby out of his life. Ie he has no longer any right towards the kids or the mother.
That's tough... You in current times have to swap the gender. If a girl not wanting to adopt a kid, is forced to have a kid because the guy adopts or because he uses invetro fertilization, is it ok for the women to opt out? That's the question we need to answer than we can answer the guy version.
But overall this is a difficult topic 🤔 it's assumed that once the girl is pregnant that the guy and her share joint responsibility for the mistake to not have used protection. But where this gets interesting... Is if he encouraging abortion and she decides to have the baby is that solely her choice and her responsibility? 🤔 does a formal talk in front of a doctor about what do with the child take the place of automatic responsibility for the guy or girl? 🤔 this is an interesting debate for sure
The point is practicing same sex eliminates that problem... So if you CHOOSE NOT to protect that from happening you are REALLY responsible for the consequences.. Raw feels better if not good enough excuse to not be responsible yet think you can walk away Scott free
*safe sex
Unprotected sex is both the guy and girls responsibility, it's simplier to keep it that way but I really was entertained by your question
Oh I agree both MEN AND WOMEN need to be more responsible about sex or don't do it period
But I do like how you talked about the other ideas around it. I was slightly enjoying thinking about the legal play about the order and discussions if the girl was pregnant. It was kinda of fun to think about
It takes two to tango and takes two to raise a child.
this is a type of grey area, i mean if a guy doesn't want to be a father then date someone who shares that mindset... if a guy is not ready but would eventually be happy to be a father, then simple answer is to take precautions...
there are alternatives to latex condoms, like latex free condoms so there is no excuse there, also there are options the woman can choose too, the female contraceptive cap, the pill and the contraceptive injection... now while the pill and injection can also present problems such as negative side effects and a certain percentage of women not being able to take it... this leaves the cap and a few other options for them and ofcourse the things available to men...
any slip ups though both are responsible for the life of that child/children.. and therefore both have a duty... that being said in the rare cases whereby the woman told the guy she doesn't want kids and/or took measures to become pregnant, despite the guy taking precautions... but knows he wasn't ready, he now has 2 choices
1) walk away and claim entrapment, taking her to court (which could get messy)
2) step up and remain and look after the kid forcing the plans of being a father to be brought forward much sooner
Great answer!!!
thanks :)
you'd have to be a sociopath to not want to support your own kid. it really shouldn't be through the legal system, though. you two shouold negotiate. If two people have sex, it kind of is
I know the post you are talking about. He is being a total dick. To answer this question, if you choose to have sex you choose EVERY consequence that comes with it. The man and the woman both had sex. The baby would not be formed without both. Therefore, both bear the responsibility. If he truly did not want the baby, he would not have risked having sex. Even condoms are not fool-proof.
Agree 💯!!!
While I can see why Dave Chapelle got a lot of crap for his abortion bit, he did make a very good point and his solution was 'fair' as can be.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/MoudH-RPnEEUse"YOUR" money to BUY CONDOMS!!!
Hey, be nice :) Why is the man more responsible than the woman? If he is more responsible, then why doesn't he get a say in the outcome? It's a very slanted problem that works against men here, so why are we attacked when we point that out? I'm not saying you attacked me by the way, just speaking that in general, when we (men) have an opinion on abortion or any reproduction, it's often attacked that we don't have the right to have that opinion.
The point is tho there's options, no woman can trick you if you take steps to protect yourself... But the idea it's okay to not have safe sex, and then run from the circumstances... Is the issue... I'm not excusing women... They should be practicing safe sex as well... But if both choose not to, why is only one person financially responsible for the mistake they ", booth" made? Don't you see by saying get an abortion or I don't have to pay I'd a form of manipulation... When so this could be avoided by simply being responsible when it comes to sex both how and with who
I don't disagree with you on your points. While safety is smart, it's not always effective. Anyone can get pregnant while using condoms and birth control, in fact it happens to pornstars often. I don't see any point in blaming either the man or woman in any circumstance because they both took an equal risk. The quandary is that when you assume equal risk and equal responsibility in a pregnancy, the decision making gets far more dodgy- for instance, when a woman insists on aborting and the man wants it - He gets no say. But when you flip that where she wants it but he does not, the man still gets no say. Yet - in the end, he is considered the one "financially responsible" for the child for the next 18 years, and still he gets no say. It's very slanted, and there's no good solution. As far as the manipulation goes, it sadly happens. If we all knew we couldn't trust people who will screw us over, then heartbreak wouldn't even exist, right?
I agree men should have a say in not aborting.. If the man wants and she don't yet she did nothing to protect herself from getting pregnant, a man should be able to legally stop the abortion, and once the baby born, the mother should sign all legal parental rights over to the Father.. so see, I am on BOTH sides
Or "she" should pay support to him
I want to agree with you about when the man doesn't want it, but I just can't seem to get over the hump that if the woman wants the baby and the man doesn't, does that really give her the right to hold him financially responsible if she's decided to completely nullify his choice? With two people making a decision and they don't agree, there can only be one "winner" of that disagreement. If I want a $120k BMW, but my wife says no because she doesn't want the financial responsibility, is it fair for me to say that I'm getting it anyways and we're paying for it from our shared checking whether she likes it or not, or is it more fair for her to say sure, you can get your BMW but I have to pay for it from my personal finances and not affect hers? I know the car analogy doesn't fit good, but it does demonstrate my point about the personal liability involved in this type of decision process. The real problem is that there's no resolution that works for both sides of the dispute. One side wins and one side loses, there's no middle ground to negotiate on. I would be very interested and open to hearing ideas that would seek to benefit both parties, although I have none to offer.
But AGAIN the point is, he had A CHOICE to protect himself from not getting someone pregnant... That's the WHOLE POINT... I didn't want more kids, so I got my tube tied at 28... I did the RESPONSIBLE THING.. I didn't take chances, I took steps to protect myself from any further pregnancies.. Men NEED to do the SAME... You can't blame someone else for your irresponsibility...
I guess my stance that if a woman gets pregnant then I hold them both equally responsible. You are holding them individually responsible, but your focus seems to be on men, which is what interested me in this discussion. I understand the circumstance you describe, where the man is trying to push her into his decision, and I've debated this with you, but I cannot see either of them being "more" at fault than the other, so I was focusing on finding a better alternative, but that's the rub, there isn't one. We cannot agree on this topic in general because of that lack of any negotiable solution. I do agree that in your context from the original post, that the guy is wrong to try to strong-arm HIS decision onto her. I don't feel he should be held 100% responsible for her decision to keep it. If there was a way to hold him 50% responsible, then I'm all ears.
If you really read.. I hold BOTH equally responsible...
Not in the slightest.
The time to choose is before you "screws".
Wondering who raised that one "yes" sperm donor.
Now it's 2. Here's a good idea. Girls. When you first go out with a guy, you want to ask him this exact question.
I agree and nother reason don't have random hookups and sex raw
No!!!
💯 agree... Unless a women tricks or traps a man then in that case I agree he should be absolved of financial responsibility... But just more wearing a condom because you prefer raw... Well that's a choice they made, now deal with the consequences... This my wallet my choice shit is just that... Shit... Use that wallet to buy condoms or get a vasectomy it keep it in your pants!
Totally
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Birth men and women make stupid decisions but consider the case where they're in a relationship, done everything right, and now she's pregnant.
Should she be able to mandate on her own the future of the pregnancy?
In the past, he could walk away and leave her to it. Not helpful for mum and baby.
At the moment, he has to pay for it if she chooses unilaterally to keep it. Not a good deal for the man. The baby needs supporting , yes, but the male view is not represented and that's the bug bear.
I did say that men should have the right to legally stop the abortion if they want the child... But guys that are just not being careful and impregnate multiple Females and think they should all get abortion. If s women gets Abortion 5 times, people would say she's irresponsible, bad choices etc... But what about men that impregnate 4-5 people and walk away from every situation or talk them into Abortion... Isn't it equally irresponsible? When could just use condoms, or get VASECTOMY
Yep, don't disagree. Of course when it comes to abortion - forcing one or stopping one - you're into a legal and moral minefield of pro choice and pro life.
True.. All the more reason if you TRULY don't want kids out wanna find yourself in either end of that situation... Play smart
"Her body, her choice."
"His wallet, his choice."
Meh, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Use the money in that wallet to BUT CONDOMS or get a vasectomy... Either much cheaper if you DON'T WANT KIDS
Yup agreed.
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Nope. He choose 2 fuck so it's on him
On both, so both responsible
No, it should not/does not absolve responsibility. As a parent though, I'd think long an hard about whether or not I'd want him in my kid's life if he doesn't want to be. That's detrimental to the kid's mental health. Have him sign his rights away. Yeah, it will be more of a financial struggle but I think you'd be better off.
Unfortunately/fortunately for a man who may want a child, the woman carries the baby and--- to my knowledge--- has no input if she decides to terminate. Doesn't seem right.
People need to practice safe sex and take responsibility for their actions.
Agree except for the fact about financial responsibility.. Whether he's a part of the child's life or not, still financially responsible But yes, I think men who want the child but the woman doesn't should have the right to legally stop the Abortion and she should either pay child support or if he agrees, sign away parental rights. Right is right, fair is fair.. When both men and women who don't want a child to result have many options to ensure that doesn't happen...
If we all believe in the principle that it's a woman's body, and it's her choice, we establish that women have the final say to whether or not a baby shall be born into this world. Men, merely, make the recommendation. The party that has the final say has the ultimate responsibility. As such, men should not be liable; men only have a few options for birth control while women have a lot more options.
Additionally, women are the gate keepers to their bodies. They are the ones who can reject and accept a partner. If they choose a bad partner, they are to blame.
The reason why the courts would rule in favor forcing men to pay is because the government wants to avoid paying single mothers if they can.
And ultimately men have a choice too... This women can get pregnant so they hold more responsibility is crap... It takes a man to impregnate a female, she can't do it by herself... So if man's seed is what creates the child is he not EQUALLY responsible than? But go ahead, put it all on the female...
Then you're saying that men should have a say whether or not women should abort children? Men should have the power to prevent abortion? However, that is not the case. the women, legally, has the right to abort or not abort the child. As such, men cannot be held equally responsible to women. You have not proven that men should be equally responsible.
Yeah I did say that if you read the whole post which obviously you didn't!
Sand yeah I did you EQUALLY CREATE A CHILD... YOU EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE
No we don't; women have the final say and the final approval in choosing who inserts their penis into them unless you are saying that all men rape women.
Nice try don't try putting words or thought on me didn't say don't feel... And men have final say if they WEAR A CONDOM... END OF STORY!!!
Even if men wear a condom, the law holds men liable. Men don't have a final say; society just tell men to shut up and pay.
So shut up and pay 🙂... Or wear a condom or hey better idea... Keep it in your pants, problem solved 🙂
Yup, that's exactly what I expect from people do not have accountability or understand responsibility when it comes to their actions.
Uhh that's not me... I'm not excusing women from the blame like you excusing men... I took care of making sure I couldn't get pregnant again at 28... I too responsibility to protect myself... NOW MEN should be doing the same... So yeah you talking crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Men do take care but they're still liable which is wrong because women decide whether or not babies are born. It's like breaking down 2+2=4. I cannot explain any further.
If they take care there's nothing to discuss... Most pregnancies aren't cuz the condom failed... It's cuz didn't wear in first place and that's not taking care.. but agree... Nothing further to say here... Stay safe or least safe sex 🙂🙂
Nope, he gets any Woman pregnant he should still be liable for being the Male who got her pregnant.
Agree 💯 unless he was trapped or tricked into it in which that case he shouldn't be responsible... And if men want a say in if she shouldn't have an abortion, that I also agree and would support. Men should be able to legally stop a woman from aborting a child he wants if he agrees to sole custody and they either work out where she pays support or they she for her to sign away her parental rights...
Yes I agree
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No. He made it, he holds responsibility for it
Exactly
If You stick it , you pay
Like when I knocked up my girlfriend 30 years ago.
Was I scared. You bet your sweet ass I was.
But did I pail out and run. No way I man up and did what any decent man and soon to be father would do.
Today my son is my right hand man on my farm
Because you're a real man with real values... Some people could and should learn to be as well
Yeah I know, real men stand up and take the lead
Glad there's still men like you out there
Can you believe someone gave me a thumbs down. Oh, well can't please everyone